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Well yeah, will only be busy next wedensday if I live that long. rest should be fine. | ||
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On February 07 2014 11:38 jaybrundage wrote: It is day 1. What else do you do besides make small talk till you find someone who you think is scummy. What are the reasons you find Koshi scummy now? Do you think Balla is mafia even if Koshi flips town? | ||
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On February 07 2014 11:52 jaybrundage wrote: The reasons I find Koshi scummy haven't changed. I am not sure about balla. I really didn't like one of his posts. Where he called me scummy for scum hunting on Koshi. But I'm not sure if I was so convicted that Koshi was scum that I assumed anyone defending him was his scum buddy. However it might be just as likely that Balla was a townie trying to get some... I don't even know. Like I don't understand him defending Koshi so much when I was trying to scum hunt. Instead of looking at what I was representing. I don't understand scum reads on me. I mostly lurk as scum. As town I give reads freely and am much more carefree. Regarding your Koshi case I think it is a really weak meta case, and you better get more meat on it if you wanna try to push it again. The fact that you are so sure in it, I find strange. As you said yourself it's just an early D1 case.. And the Balla thing I really struggle to find scum motivation for him defending Scum!Koshi, mainly because your attack is so early and it so weak. I really doubt a scum would feel the need to bother about that case at all. Aka I think it's highly unlikely they are scum together. I think it's to early to call you scum, mostly cause I struggle to see a scum going as hard and fast out of the gates as you did. But I definetly don't like your play so far. | ||
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On February 07 2014 12:15 Aquanim wrote: Hey guys I'd like to discuss Suki Filter in the original game as town: Asks lots of questions, discusses reads, VERY direct Filter in this game: Mostly trolly one-liners about "King" Balla, doesn't talk much about reads unless directly asked, is not asking many questions. I haven't thoroughly meta-d Suki but I'm really feeling a serious gap in her attitude between the two games. I can't see any reason in Suki's filter to think she is town so far. Does anyone else have any? Are you basing your scum read on Suki just off meta atm ? I don't think acting another way from one game to another is a good way to meta someone, especially when the person have scumgames you can read. She was scum in Mafia Newbie Mafia LI I think, prolly better to start there. I played in that game and dont remember to much of the meta, other than she was good :S | ||
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On February 07 2014 12:30 Aquanim wrote: It's a kind of half-meta case, in that her play so far does not seem to be directed towards scumhunting, and I can verify that she is capable and willing to direct her play towards scumhunting by checking a previous town game. The argument holds without any need to refer to her scumgames, though I would take a look at it if I were to start seriously pushing for her lynch. For now I want to discuss her play so far. Putting aside your opinion of my methods, what's your read on suki so far? By applying meta to Suki I dont really get a read either way. I feel the last Shadowgame and her last Newbie game (scumgame), are vastly different from this game. atm she has trolled pretty much all game. Which I don't think is very allignment indicative, in fact I would rather lean town on a trolling Suki than scum. Because she has a strong scumgame, and she did get a lot of praise for it, I would assume she would try to uphold that standard. But I guess my conclusion is, to early to say. And when Suki comes back I hope she picks it up and plays more seriously. | ||
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On February 07 2014 15:27 suki wrote: Fine, he's not 'objectively' scum. There are more points against him for being scum than the points that I have against sidesprang which is largely a meta read. Quoting this since shorter  If you want to apply meta read on me, then do not use my almost 4 year old games. It wont get you anywhere good. You are correct that my mindset and play this game is different. Last month i've been coached and I've shadowed, both for first time. So I do hope I picked up something, that will hopefully improve my play. | ||
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Currently I got three people on my watchlist. JayB: This guy was an easy townread for me last game. ATM I'm not getting that at all, he made loads of bad posts so far, which don't make you scum. But I'm not getting the same easy read as last game which makes me wanting to see more contributions from him. Jonny: A lot of the same as JayB. Had this guy as an easy townread in my Newbie game. Not getting the same vibe atm. He got a Balla case coming up tho, so let's see where that goes. Oats: He sheeped onto JayB, and seems certain he is scum. Without adding his own thoughts. He was also quick to jump on Suki when aqua mentioned her, which I found wierd seeing how certain he acted against JayB. | ||
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On February 07 2014 18:28 Oatsmaster wrote: lol the meta read says that you are currently playing worse Sidesprang, did you read it? It says im playing different ? | ||
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On February 07 2014 18:49 Oatsmaster wrote: different=worse. What is your read on Suki? Also whats wrong with sheeping? Am I scummy if Im right on who I sheep onto? Why is different = worse, when you got a bad game to begin with? To try to improve your game you need change something. Sheeping don't make a guy scum, don't matter if the guy you are sheeping onto is scum or not. It does however make me want to keep a closer eye on you. Especially since you basically did it twice. Regarding Suki, she is a hard read for me given I think she plays scum really well. I see nothing pointing towards her being scum atm, and I think the trolling / fun opening is more likely town indicative then scum. Because why open like that if you got good scumgame ? | ||
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On February 07 2014 22:49 suki wrote: @Sidesprang Hi Sidesprang, Like Oats said, Aqua was only questioning about my meta (which you so kindly commented on). His case on me was completely separate from Aqua's line of thought. You said 'without adding his own thoughts, he was also quick to jump on suki', but he clearly posted why he was voting me: I'd like you to comment on his case and his pressure on me. How is Oats scummy from his actions? Ok here we go again. You always read my comments wrong, last game too. The "without adding his own thoughts" part is refering to the part about JayB. Regarding Oats and his pressure on you. His orignial problem with you is how you handled the JayB's case on Koshi. I have no problems with what you did, why would you need to comment on it all, if its good/bad if koshi is town/scum. The case is obviously bad, and you react that way. Totally a null tell imo. For him to jump off JayB which he then had as scum less then an hour earlier for that I do find strange. On February 07 2014 14:17 Oatsmaster wrote: so then this was a lie? So basically you think JayB is scum because he made a case longer than 2 sentences. Why is it more scummy if someone tunnels early? Didnt I tunnel early against koshi off pretty much nothing and I was town? You are doing the exact same thing as last game. I guess either you didnt learn anything or you are scum trying to play to your previous town meta. What about JayB's scumhunting was forced and contrived? Here he is leaving the door open for you to be town, based on you acting the same way you did as town 1 week ago. I don't know if he actually looked up your scum meta or not. But that he still is going strong on you after that line I really dont understand. Gonna go read up on his meta after dinner. | ||
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On February 07 2014 18:42 Oatsmaster wrote: I kinda dont think either are scum. I need to check JayB's last scum games but I dont think so. Its like both of their pushes on Koshi were so bad. What do you think of Suki and Balla? No he did not, he asked me about my read on you, which I answered. He asked Koshi about his reads on Balla and you, which he also answered... | ||
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On February 08 2014 00:35 Koshi wrote: That's brave after suki just said that you use meta a lot as scum. :D You talking to me ? I dont have any meta as scum. My last scum game was 4 years ago, the only meta you can apply to my scumgame is me playing different from my last two games. | ||
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How did you go from being so certain JayB was scum, to then being certaing Suki was scum, to now being on me? You don't seem to be that certain on me being scum atleast compared to what you were with JayB and Suki. So that would mean you don't have Suki as scum anymore or? | ||
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On February 08 2014 00:45 Koshi wrote: Well, I am not too interested with meta atm. Did you read last game? I read untill I quit pretty much, and the ending since I wanted to know how the game got fucked. | ||
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On February 08 2014 00:58 suki wrote: Apparently I suck at reading comprehension. I'm looking forward to your updated thoughts on Oats. Is there any one else who you find scummy? Still would like your opinion of Balla on record. ATM only the 3 guys I mentioned have gone the wrong way on the scummeter. Rest is pretty much null or slight town. I think Balla is town atm. | ||
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Example: Roulette Mini Mafia / Vanilla Town He also have tendencies to just swap and go to other players, and not really saying why. And he does it in a way that looks pretty dumb. Like screaming "VOTE THIS GUY" etc. LXIV / Vanilla town In his mafia game he seems more serious to a certain degree. Kinda typing like he did with his vote on me. Giving small explanations, not really a big case but just one thing he did not like and therefor the guy is scum. He dont have a problem with voteswapping a lot either, as he does in this game. DR Who Mafia / scum Overall tho I do feel his starting posts in this game very much resembles the first towngame I read and linked, So I think I'm leaning null or towards town. Atleast based on meta atm. | ||
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I'll go look some more into Jonny / LM / Slam. | ||
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LM: While reading his filter I just dont see anything that stand out in a scummy way, not neccesarily town either. But not worth looking at this late in the cycle. Alakaslam: I buy that he has been busy with work and whatnot. As I don't think scum!slam would lurk in any way I dont see a reason for lying about it. That being said I dont think his enterance is very good. Starts by complaining about how Balla / Suki trolled early game, which has been pointed out is something he is very capable aswell. And it was obviously something that was prewritten before Balla got the roles. Why bring that shit up again, its a null tell. His points are just fluff. He then says he is going to try some filters, but looks like he only read JayB, maybe the easiest one to pick on at the time. @Slam Did you read up on the rest of the players? Do you got any other reads? What are your thoughts on Jonny? Hopeless: Overall I dont find much scummy or town in his filter. But I agree I don't like why he is giving oats a townread. As oats is able to swap around his vote like that as scum and town it should be a null tell. And as hopeless has been around a lot I would think he would know that. @Hopeless Is there anything other than the voteswapping and how he did it that give you a towntell on oats? Does your towntell diminish if you read some of his scumgames and see he is able to do that as scum aswell? Jonny: Ok he left off by saying he had a case coming on Balla, and that Ballas filter stank. But when he comes back he has a case on Koshi. And imo it sucks, he points to a lot of different things, but I dont see why Koshi is scum from any of them. He claims to have scumreads on Koshi, slam and LM. Where the fuck did Balla go? I think Aquas case on him is really good, especially his conversation with the LM read. It really don't make any sense. @Jonny What is your stance on Balla now? What in his filter stank, is it still stinking ? If not why? ##Vote JonnyLaw | ||
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Suki as I said is hard for me, she completly fooled me for the most part in Newbie mafia L1, and i'm starting to get scared she is doing it again. I had her as null / leaning town earlier. But her hard attack on Jay looks way worse now that Jonny flipped scum. I mean most of us thought Jonny was good D1 lynch, and the fact that Jay blueclaimed but she stilled thought he was a better lynch I find a off. Yes the claim was wierd, but he did the same shit last game. The Slam / Coag team looks bad mostly for his lack of mentioning of Jonny. Which I wish we could have questioned Slam about. Sadly unless Coag for some reason decides to actually play mafia I doubt we will get much usefull information from him. Might be the best vig shot if we got one imo. Two others that really did not mention Jonny either is Hopeless and Oats, and I think we should look at them for tomorrow aswell. Hopeless on Jonny: Only post before vote where jonny is mentioned: On February 08 2014 01:29 Hopeless1der wrote: At a skim, he goes from JayB->JonnyLaw->me->Suki->sidesprang. Can't sit still, pursuing everything he sees for the most part. He completely glances over JonnyLaw and me, but volunteered reads/reasons for the other 3. I think he's town. The vote: On February 08 2014 23:44 Hopeless1der wrote: Of course he disagrees with me, he's scum Koshi. /sarcasm I may not be back before deadline, family stuff. I'll try to keep updated by phone ##Unvote ##Vote: JonnyLaw Oats on Jonny: On February 07 2014 11:42 Oatsmaster wrote: Johnny is my second pick for scum but I doubt that him and jay are on the same team due to the pretty much exact same push on koshi. Thoughts? On February 07 2014 19:17 Oatsmaster wrote: I gave the first analysis on suki, the only thing I sheeped was aqua asking about suki. how is suki town because she totally ignores jayb's case and thinks he is too tryhard and therefore scum? URGHGHHH fine. ##unvote ##vote Sidesprang Firstly his scumreads dont make sense. He summarizes all our filters and doesnt say anything about how it makes us scum, he isnt reading in depth at all to know that I think johnny is town and his townread on suki doesnt make sense either. bleh its hard to phrase but I dont get the feeling like he is questioning anything at all in this game. On February 08 2014 11:14 Oatsmaster wrote: Hmm johnny says he is gonna post a case on balla. I wanna see how that goea but currently I could lynch Hes like really angry. Angry people are scummy people  The Vote: On February 08 2014 22:58 Oatsmaster wrote: ##unvote bleh. sheep time ##vote johnny I don't really know hopeless playstyle, and I mentioned earlier that Oats can pull this off as either allignment. And now that Jonny flipped scum I'm getting extra worried. Sadly their play this game is mostly short post with little content, so they are hard to read, atleast for me. For now I would think both scum lies in theese four. Anyone have input on oats / hopeless? Don't feel they have been discussed much yet. | ||
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On February 09 2014 16:14 Oatsmaster wrote: I totally didnt bus Johnny right guis? I think hopeless is town, coag is town if he actually posted more than once. Why is hopeless town? I really don't see how he can be more than a null, unless you got some meta shit on him. | ||
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On February 10 2014 12:30 suki wrote: ##vote Coagulation I see that Oats has posted a bunch. I want to hear from Sidesprang. Specifically these questions: 1. Who is your number one lynch at the moment for Day 2 and why? 2. Who is scummy to you? 3. Comments on the Jonny lynch and the events leading up to it. I'll comment on Oats in the morning when I'm not tired and I really hope to see something from Sidesprang. I would prefer to lynch Oats, reasons being. He hardly mentioned jonny, had no reasons for voting him. Has two suspect townreads (hopeless / JayB). He is also not being very helpfull to town. People who is leaning scum to me is Oats, You, Coag, Hopeless. Pretty much in that order I think. Koshi and Balla lead the lynch, they were too me the two guys looking most towny. Koshi prolly died because of it. 3 guys have votes that they pretty much did not explain. You had Jonny as second lynch (I think), but for some reason was very reluctant to get JayB lynched instead. I feel usualy town when having two scumreads are happy lynching either atleast when its such a landslide in votes. The fact that you are no dropping him completly for the day while having gone that hard for him I don't understand. Anyhow, off too school. I'll check in when I got time. | ||
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On February 10 2014 18:14 jaybrundage wrote: What puts Oats before Suki and Coag. Specifically Coag. I put Oats over Coag because I think its more likely that he will flip scum. Both Coag and Slam have a pretty unreadable play for me atleast. The only really scummy point is that Slam did not talk about Jonny at all even tho he was one of the two leading scum lynches when he entered the thread. But hey neither did Oats or Hopeless, they just did a cheap vote on him. Of course it dont make you scum, but it's clear scumpoints in my book atleast. I totally would not mind a Coag lynch either, because I think he will be an issue for the rest of the game. Untill he is dead we will always wonder, he wont do shit to clear himself. But he will do this as either allignment which is why I prefer to lynch oats. Just check Titanic II, there he gets replaced in, does jack shit, gets modkilled (from getting tl.net ban). | ||
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On February 10 2014 19:18 Oatsmaster wrote: Again, how in the world is lynching scum somehow scummier than not lynching scum? I really dont get what you are saying? Are you trying to say that people with votes on Jonny should have towncred? Like you are giving hopeless towncred for it when he just jumped on the wagon at some point with no reasoning. What I'm saying is that I think at least one or more scum got onto the vote somehow, and I think the ones that did it without much reasoning is more likely to be those scummers. | ||
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On February 11 2014 12:35 Coagulation wrote: no seriously this game is full of the most arrogant self fucking righteous jerkoffs I have ever seen. I replaced in to fucking try and help the host and players deal with a modkill the best way I could and all you guys do is shit on me for trying my best with what I got delt with. Suck my balls all of you. You are not helping your anyone because you are not even playing. Not the first time I see you replace in, do nothing, then cry "i'm just helping out". But in fact you do not, in Titanic II you were just a big questionmark we could never get the answer too. Best thing you did there was to get modkilled so we did not have to waste a day on lynching you. Atleast we got the added benefit that Slam looked suspicious before you replaced in this time. ##Vote Coag | ||
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On February 11 2014 03:22 LoneMeow wrote: There's a few people you don't mention here as either town or scum. What do you think about their alignments and why? I guess it dont hurt to mention the rest of the reads as I think most of the players are on the same page. I'm town on Balla Aqua JayB Balla because he lead the lynch, and I think his play in general have been pretty much towny through and through. He is also posting way more than he is doing in his scumgames (tho I think he is aware of this meta, so might not be that much of a tell). Aqua was also early on the lynch, and made his own case for it. I like his posts in general, feels like he is really trying to solve the game. JayB is town because his blueclaim and his N1 play. People I'm null on LoneMeow Hopeless TBH I have not read up much on you, mostly because I never got any bad vibes. But i've not really gotten any good ones either. You were early on the coag lynch I think, so that might turn out beneficial for you. Altho If coag flips scum I would not be suprised if he was bussed early eiher. But I guess that is somthing we deal with tomorrow. I was leaning slightly scummy towards hopeless, but I think he might be climbing towards null with his big suki post. I at least think its way more likely the scum is in the remaining three. | ||
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On February 11 2014 17:03 Aquanim wrote: That's exactly what I think. In all the games I have ever seen him I have never ever seen coag be useful, ever. Totally agree with this. @Oats, What makes him obvious towny? | ||
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On February 11 2014 17:14 Oatsmaster wrote: Why are you lynching coag that makes him scum other than not showing that he is town? 1. Alakaslam did not look good. 2. Coag will be disruptive to the town for the rest of the game, just see page 63 3. Coag will be unreadable and dangerous as either alignment for town in LYLO. | ||
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Holy / Side Anyhow, thanks for hosting. Was a really cool setup, altho I hate you a bit for giving me scum twice! | ||
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Huge thanks to all the coaches aswell ! | ||
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