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On February 11 2014 17:43 Oatsmaster wrote:
Did you read his scum games? Because you should
Can you suggest one?
LXIV is a PM game so his posts in the thread are basically irrelevant, Aperture he substituted in on page 110 and was hopelessly lost or something (it was some stupid theme game anyway so I'm not keen on meta from it) and every other one of his scum games I can find is like 3 years old (again, basically irrelevant re. meta).
I can't find any others but I haven't done a truly exhaustive search of games since the last database update.
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Hard to check while on my phone but basically coag ddoesnt even post anything as scum, much less 2 pages of filter with some content in there
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you know what, maybe you're right about Coag
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See, the fact of the matter is that I remain unconvinced that Oats really gives a shit about the game or who we lynch. I mean, he's expressed a desire to lynch Sidesprang yesterday and today, but I'm just not feeling any sincerity or any serious amount of work that's gone into the read.
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I really dont know what you expect aqua. I made a case and now im hard defending coag so that people switch to sidesprang. Also cause coag is town too. Why arent you lynching sideprang aqua? Your push on me has no merit at all...
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@Oats: AFAIK these are the points you've raised against Sidesprang, and I don't really like them much at all.
On February 07 2014 19:17 Oatsmaster wrote:
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Firstly his scumreads dont make sense. He summarizes all our filters and doesnt say anything about how it makes us scum,
the things he pointed out in your filters were slightly suspicious, which was all he was saying at the time AFAIK
he isnt reading in depth at all to know that I think johnny is town
Did you think Johnny was town? news to me
and his townread on suki doesnt make sense either
meh... dunno that this is particularly scummy
bleh its hard to phrase but I dont get the feeling like he is questioning anything at all in this game.
that I'll have to think about
On February 10 2014 00:04 Oatsmaster wrote:
Sidesprang totally scummy for waffling on his read on me and hopeless and he doesnt even say what he thinks about our votes and stuff leading up to it. did you forget sidesprang?
Sidesprang being scum for being unsure about his reads doesn't really convince me. Nor does him not talking about every facet of someone's filter.
also Who gets worried when scum flip?
idk exactly what he meant by this, but I strongly doubt it was a scumclaim.
On February 10 2014 11:55 Oatsmaster wrote:Show nested quote +On February 10 2014 11:45 jaybrundage wrote:
Masta of the Oats Talk to me about sidesprang. His lurking ways are pretty sketchy atm. You think he's scum instead of lurking town. Why so?
Also I asked you earlier about Hopeless1der what are your thoughts on him? sidesprang's vote on Johnny came late and felt like he unnecessarily added stuff in order to not be 'sheeping'.
sidesprang's vote on Johnny was in the middle of a list post where he said stuff about multiple people. I don't see how amplifing a vote with "stuff" is scummy.
Too many list posts with questions it doesnt seem like he cares about the answers at all.
He has two list posts, both made pretty soon after he returned to the thread from a long absense - updating the thread on your current reads makes some sense in that instance. Of those two list posts, only one of them has questions.
and like this Show nested quote +On February 08 2014 00:58 sidesprang wrote:
I don't mind hopeless so far this game. He made good points against JayB, tho I dont agree that they have to make him scum, might just be bad. And I like that he got Balla to quit playing around with the confirmed town shit. Only problem is that all his posts have been easy posts to make even for a scum. So he is pretty much null for me atm. "Hopeless posted good posts but he still scummy". Like what..
So what? I've seen scum make good points about other people. I again don't see what your problem is here.
On February 11 2014 16:30 Oatsmaster wrote:
Lol coag is totally an angry lynch. Dont waste today lynching town guys. As scum coag just wouldve given up and not be angry. Sidesprang is todays lynch for bandwagonning onto coag without reasons on why coag is scum
I can quite easily imagine a townie just wanting Coag gone regardless of his alignment - that's not too far away from my own position.
Look, Oats, if I'm wrong here about Sidesprang I'd prefer you to convince me than not - but your cases haven't done it yet.
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for the moment though
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this game isn't going to move forward until he's gone, I don't think.
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I can quite easily imagine a townie just wanting Coag gone regardless of his alignment - that's not too far away from my own position.
No no, you see, his reasons are all bad. Like emotional reasons that have nothing to do with Coag's alignment, not at all like LM's reasons.
Also his vote on johnny, the reasons were just rehashed and rephrased from what other people said and it was totally unnecessary, nobody to convince, felt a lot like he was doing it to avoid sheeping.
So what? I've seen scum make good points about other people. I again don't see what your problem is here.
yeah but normally when someone is null on another person, they have good and bad reasons. All of sidesprangs reasons on hopeless are why he is town, then he turns around and says "All easy posts to make as scum", like he totally not committing to a read..
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Hm...
Call it a hunch, but I'm going to go with Hopeless. I think Oats is town and I he's convinced me that sidesprang is the better lynch for today. I also feel like trusting his meta read on Coag.
I also buy the 'sidesprang's reasons are all bad' argument as when sidesprang was town he actually had some decent arguments on why someone is scummy. This game it's all meta reads and kind-of vote analysis.
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errr
EBWOP: Call it a hunch, but I'm going to go with Oats.*
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Eh... maybe. The problem is I can picture Sidesprang being pretty salty with Coag over II Titanic regardless of alignment, Coag screwed the town over pretty damn hard there.
Still don't agree with your point re. the Jonny lynch, in that particular post Sidesprang was giving opinions on a couple of different people and after giving his statement on Jonny voted for him. It would have looked pretty silly for him to give his thoughts on a bunch of other people and then say "By the way, I'm voting this dude I didn't even mention in this post".
And about the Hopeless read I still don't really see your problem. "...yeah this isn't bad but they could probably fake this as scum" is a thought I've had on numerous occasions.
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. It would have looked pretty silly for him to give his thoughts on a bunch of other people and then say "By the way, I'm voting this dude I didn't even mention in this post".
YEAH EXACTLY. HE CARED HOW HIS POST LOOKED. THATS SCUMMY AQUA.
The hopeless thing just really felt like he was trying so hard to be null on hopeless.
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On February 12 2014 00:25 suki wrote:
Hm...
Call it a hunch, but I'm going to go with Hopeless. I think Oats is town and I he's convinced me that sidesprang is the better lynch for today. I also feel like trusting his meta read on Coag.
I also buy the 'sidesprang's reasons are all bad' argument as when sidesprang was town he actually had some decent arguments on why someone is scummy. This game it's all meta reads and kind-of vote analysis.
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Well, can you convince me that Oats is town then?
Don't expect a reply any time soon though, it's pretty late here and I'm heading off.
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On February 12 2014 00:40 Oatsmaster wrote:Show nested quote +. It would have looked pretty silly for him to give his thoughts on a bunch of other people and then say "By the way, I'm voting this dude I didn't even mention in this post".
YEAH EXACTLY. HE CARED HOW HIS POST LOOKED. THATS SCUMMY AQUA. The hopeless thing just really felt like he was trying so hard to be null on hopeless.
Actually giving the thread some indication why he was voting Jonny is NOT scummy and I have no idea why you think it is. Now if he'd tryharded and made some huge case that was all rehashed stuff, then I'd be with you.
On February 09 2014 02:41 sidesprang wrote:
Ok lets see...
LM: While reading his filter I just dont see anything that stand out in a scummy way, not neccesarily town either. But not worth looking at this late in the cycle.
Alakaslam: I buy that he has been busy with work and whatnot. As I don't think scum!slam would lurk in any way I dont see a reason for lying about it. That being said I dont think his enterance is very good. Starts by complaining about how Balla / Suki trolled early game, which has been pointed out is something he is very capable aswell. And it was obviously something that was prewritten before Balla got the roles. Why bring that shit up again, its a null tell. His points are just fluff. He then says he is going to try some filters, but looks like he only read JayB, maybe the easiest one to pick on at the time.
@Slam Did you read up on the rest of the players? Do you got any other reads? What are your thoughts on Jonny?
Hopeless: Overall I dont find much scummy or town in his filter. But I agree I don't like why he is giving oats a townread. As oats is able to swap around his vote like that as scum and town it should be a null tell. And as hopeless has been around a lot I would think he would know that.
@Hopeless Is there anything other than the voteswapping and how he did it that give you a towntell on oats? Does your towntell diminish if you read some of his scumgames and see he is able to do that as scum aswell?
Jonny: Ok he left off by saying he had a case coming on Balla, and that Ballas filter stank. But when he comes back he has a case on Koshi. And imo it sucks, he points to a lot of different things, but I dont see why Koshi is scum from any of them. He claims to have scumreads on Koshi, slam and LM. Where the fuck did Balla go? I think Aquas case on him is really good, especially his conversation with the LM read. It really don't make any sense.
@Jonny What is your stance on Balla now? What in his filter stank, is it still stinking ? If not why?
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But I don't see how this is an scummy amount of space to devote to explaining his Jonny vote.
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whatever then, its a yes/no thing and clearly you disagree.
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On February 12 2014 00:25 suki wrote:
I also buy the 'sidesprang's reasons are all bad' argument as when sidesprang was town he actually had some decent arguments on why someone is scummy. This game it's all meta reads and kind-of vote analysis.
Dunno whether this is new or just rephrased... but this maybe I can get behind. Lemme go look at a previous game with this in mind real quick before I head off.
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Yeah sure I can explain why I get a town vibe off Oats:
He is active, and in a way that contributes to town. He pressures people with good questions, has no problem aggressively pressuring people. He's also excited about this game. Note all the caps, the wagon of justice, he seems very vested in the outcome of the game.
His vote against me and the follow up pressure felt very townie. He was trying to expose contradictions or illogical thought process in my play.
He sheeps onto Jonny and straight up states it without providing reasons really. He didn't pressure Jonny either. However, Oats has always been fluid with his reads so I can see him doing it as town. His attitude is good here. Rather than meekly going on the wagon or trying to come up with excuses he just straight up does it and doesn't care.
The hunch part of my previous post just now was based on his defense of Coag. It just feels really townie although I can't really explain it. I do see where Oats is coming from with his line of thought, so, given my town read of Oats I am inclined to trust him.
Also Oat's case against sidesprang makes totes sense.
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Can we get a vote count please oh wise and powerful toad?
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