I reckon, if there's a difference between Sidesprang's town meta (in newbie LI) and here it's that in the newbie he drew more conclusions from the evidence he brought into the thread. The distinction's a matter of degrees though and I'm too damn tired now to tell whether there's a significant difference.

Leaving my vote on Coag for now because I still think he's a liability and is draining the life out of this thread, regardless of his alignment. Hopefully I'll get up before deadline in the morning and have another think about it.

Balla24

2322 Posts

February 11 2014 17:30 GMT

#1302

Yeah fuck yeah let's kill sidesprang!

##unvote
##vote sidesprang

Balla24

2322 Posts

February 11 2014 17:35 GMT

#1303

Also... was there really no RB today?

Balla24

2322 Posts

February 11 2014 17:38 GMT

#1304

oh nvm... its not notified on everyone dont claim if you were

Hopeless1der

United States5836 Posts

February 11 2014 17:42 GMT

#1305

On February 09 2014 07:34 Balla24 wrote:
Hey noobs stop talking about the night kills. Im out to dinner but seriously dont talk about night kill.

This should apply to blue/setup hunting too...

Balla24

2322 Posts

February 11 2014 17:51 GMT

#1306

On February 12 2014 02:42 Hopeless1der wrote:

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This should apply to blue/setup hunting too...

was a mistake ya dolt!

There was good reason for asking until I realized not everyone gets a notification like I was expecting.

Artanis[Xp]

Netherlands12968 Posts

February 11 2014 17:52 GMT

#1307

Votecount:

Coagulation ( 5 ) : LoneMeow, jaybrundage, Hopeless1der, sidesprang, Aquanim, ~~Suki~~, ~~Aquanim~~
Sidesprang ( 4 ) : Oatsmaster, Coagulation, suki, Balla24, ~~Jaybrundage~~
Oatsmaster ( 0 ) : ~~Balla24~~, ~~Aquanim~~

0 people who haven't voted yet
With 5 votes Coagulation is set to be lynched

Deadline on Tuesday, Feb 11 9:59pm GMT (GMT+00:00)
if you happen to find any mistakes in the above, please inform us/me about it immediatly, thanks.

Balla24

2322 Posts

February 11 2014 19:12 GMT

#1308

Not much substance on either of these lynches unfortunately. So let me try to add some:

Starting with coagulation:

There are simply put, only 3 reasons to be lynching Coag here:

1. Slam looked scummy.
2. He's didn't post any reasoning on JonnyLaw even when asked.
3. You don't like how coag plays.

The only people who have posted meta about Coag have all been defending him. I will do more of that here with no real analysis cause the difference in Coag's town play vs mafia play is pretty pronounced at least when I read it.

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=439578&user=Coagulation - Town
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=436388&user=Coagulation - Town
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=440856&user=Coagulation - Mafia
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=436086&user=Coagulation - Mafia

In his mafia games he barely talks about the game and just posts random stuff. His town games he posts stuff that talk about people's alignments, he gives some reasoning for stuff. He's doing that here. Oats is right I think.

Now sidesprang:

His main contribution for n1/d2 has been how people how people interacted with Jonny. One of his major lynch points for Coag and Oats (the two people he has voted for today) has been that they had no reasoning for voting jonny:

On February 10 2014 19:13 sidesprang wrote:

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I put Oats over Coag because I think its more likely that he will flip scum. Both Coag and Slam have a pretty unreadable play for me atleast. The only really scummy point is that Slam did not talk about Jonny at all even tho he was one of the two leading scum lynches when he entered the thread. But hey neither did Oats or Hopeless, they just did a cheap vote on him. Of course it dont make you scum, but it's clear scumpoints in my book atleast.

I totally would not mind a Coag lynch either, because I think he will be an issue for the rest of the game. Untill he is dead we will always wonder, he wont do shit to clear himself. But he will do this as either allignment which is why I prefer to lynch oats. Just check Titanic II, there he gets replaced in, does jack shit, gets modkilled (from getting tl.net ban).

However if you look at his reasoning, it's pretty freaking weak too. It's basically just a sheep of me/Aqua. He didn't really mention Jonny at all beforehand and it seems his thought process was actually similar to all 3 of them yet he's trying to call them out on it.

Another thing I don't like, that I believe LoneMeow has said as well:

On February 11 2014 17:18 sidesprang wrote:

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1. Alakaslam did not look good.
2. Coag will be disruptive to the town for the rest of the game, just see page 63
3. Coag will be unreadable and dangerous as either alignment for town in LYLO.

I don't plan to get to LYLO at all. It's really a cop-out reasoning for trying to kill lynchbait and actually a weird thing to say. Have you ever seen Coag play in LYLO? Also on #1:

On February 09 2014 02:41 sidesprang wrote:
Alakaslam: I buy that he has been busy with work and whatnot. As I don't think scum!slam would lurk in any way I dont see a reason for lying about it. That being said I dont think his enterance is very good. Starts by complaining about how Balla / Suki trolled early game, which has been pointed out is something he is very capable aswell. And it was obviously something that was prewritten before Balla got the roles. Why bring that shit up again, its a null tell. His points are just fluff. He then says he is going to try some filters, but looks like he only read JayB, maybe the easiest one to pick on at the time.

@Slam Did you read up on the rest of the players? Do you got any other reads? What are your thoughts on Jonny?

You defended Alakaslam here a bit, and then took a null stance on the rest. This doesn't look like you thought he looked bad.

Also, why aren't you pushing for Suki at all, you've been calling her scummy all night and day yet now when lynch time comes you're gone onto Oats and Coag where you even put Suki in the middle of them.

Anyways. This day still sucks

Coagulation

United States9633 Posts

February 11 2014 19:16 GMT

#1309

Aquanim is defending sidesprang hard and making up illogical shit in the process. sidesprang Aquanim scum team
calling it now.

Balla24

2322 Posts

February 11 2014 19:17 GMT

#1310

My thought too actually. But rather not draw relationships between unflipped players as usual.

Coagulation

United States9633 Posts

February 11 2014 19:19 GMT

#1311

no seriously go look at every list of reasons why coag is scum that have been posted since I join. Every #1 is "cause alakaslam"

You guys realize that not only is it unfair to me Its pants on head retarded because ALAKASLAM IS CLEARLY KNOWN FOR BEING SCUMMY AS TOWN.

Coagulation

United States9633 Posts

February 11 2014 19:25 GMT

#1312

anyway I would put lonemeow as a pretty scummy player as well but hes clearly not getting lynched today. I know you guys out there have got to be able to see that he has done nothing but latch on to me and tunnel me entirely since the moment i joined the game. pretty standard mafia play for someone who doesnt have a huge presence in game to just ride the easiest target for security.

thats what im getting out of him. he will come in post "ermagerd coag scum" afk again for 24 hours again and no one will call him on it cause everyones either too busy with alakaslam confirmation biast or in the case of sprang/aqua fighting any pro coag sentiment tooth and fucking nail cause sprangs the alternative to anything non kill coag.

Coagulation

United States9633 Posts

February 11 2014 19:26 GMT

#1313

I could be wrong but if i could flip 3 I would do sprang aqua and lone.

Balla24

2322 Posts

February 11 2014 19:28 GMT

#1314

Well at least lonemeow is consistent with his read on Alakaslam...

Coagulation

United States9633 Posts