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On February 12 2014 05:43 Balla24 wrote: His day1 is so null. In every way. Null in the fact that reading it doesn't give me a read one way or another. Null in the sense that all his reads were basically null except for town reads and eventually Jonny. If you look at it, you basically have no idea who he thinks is scum until he votes Jonny because whenever he calls someone scummy he's like "but then there's this that looks good and this -> so I don't know what to think". The fact that he can't stay consistent in day2 from his day1 is bad. That's the important part. Trying to lynch Coag for slam being scummy even though he never called Slam scum is pretty bad. Now that you say it, I see it too. The only thing he has said about Alakaslam before the lynch is: On February 09 2014 02:41 sidesprang wrote: Alakaslam: I buy that he has been busy with work and whatnot. As I don't think scum!slam would lurk in any way I dont see a reason for lying about it. That being said I dont think his enterance is very good. Starts by complaining about how Balla / Suki trolled early game, which has been pointed out is something he is very capable aswell. And it was obviously something that was prewritten before Balla got the roles. Why bring that shit up again, its a null tell. His points are just fluff. He then says he is going to try some filters, but looks like he only read JayB, maybe the easiest one to pick on at the time. @Slam Did you read up on the rest of the players? Do you got any other reads? What are your thoughts on Jonny? I wish I was more confident on this lynch. ##Vote: sidesprang | ||
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Part 1: jaybrundage and JonnyLaw On February 08 2014 02:03 jaybrundage wrote: In regards to balla's case on jonny. The first point it just seemed like jonny noticed your percentage thing. Assuming you were going to continue using that stuff. Looks like he saw you using it and assumed the post wasn't so serious. More of a null tell I would think. On the second point. I did mention him in my post. Part of the reason of me changing my playstyle was because Jonny was tunneling me so hard last game. I think he recognizes that he was tunneling a townie tho and felt a bit bad for it and is more hesitant to call me scum. I would agree with you that Jonny calling me scummy. But not going after me was weird. That does seem off. And the quotes where jonny goes after people he thinks are making excuses. But not going after me. Does seem off. Guess we will see how he continues to play. + Show Spoiler + On February 07 2014 13:39 Balla24 wrote: Alright, moving on. What do you guys think about JonnyLaw? I'm very weary on him. The post he quotes here is completely irrelevant to my probability mafia post. This was literally the first time I was not being trolly in this game. I know the things I was referring to were trolly and joky, but I wanted to start the game at that point, and they were interesting enough initial thoughts to question their motives behind it. Why does he think i'm forcing anything and distracting anything. That was literally the start of the first discussion of the game yet he doesn't even really read it. He even moves into quoting one of my more trolly posts afterwards ("I declare myself king") and calls it funny, even though it was way more distracting than anything else I did. Moving on: There were plenty moments where jonny talks about something irrelevant and not helpful to the game with the facade that it is "getting the game started" and "not talking about policy". This post here could have literally happened in post-game and pre-game, I wouldn't be able to tell the difference. There is absolutely NO relevance to jay's alignment in this game. In fact, all it does is help jay if he's scum. There's more moments like this, specifically the Aqua stuff. Here he says that he finds Jay's excuse-making and self-doubt "weary" but doesn't think it makes him scum (or at least that's what I gather from him asking "does that make him scum?" after literally saying "it's scummy sure", which is really weird in itself). This is in direct contrast to what I know of town jonny. The guy LOVES to pick at this stuff. + Show Spoiler [Quotes from jonny town games] + On January 20 2014 11:40 JonnyLaw wrote: Ve's full of shit. He was this active last game. Making excuses for his posting now. ##vote visceral eyes On January 06 2014 15:21 JonnyLaw wrote: You're not saying anything with authority. You're hesitant and making excuses throughout that post. What are your opinions so far? I don't care how other people feel about you or if it's your first game. That doesn't matter. On January 06 2014 15:30 JonnyLaw wrote: I'll be on tomorrow at a more reasonable time. At this point we have three players who've posted nothing. Fine, we have 30+ hours till day ends. I hate this post and generally everything in Asuna's filter. Excuses, bandwagoning and self doubt in one line. I'm down to lynch Asuna or OWB at this point. Dragoon and Chyz read more as if they're trying but misguided. + Show Spoiler [PYP: LoL, where Jonny is Mafia] + On December 03 2013 07:24 JonnyLaw wrote: Rean - Votes yorick, claims vt and roleplays liftlift. Could be scum lurking. Austin talks about champ abilities and not wanting town to role claim. I'm not certain role claiming is the best policy either. Maybe I'm missing something but these two are lurking harder than gtrs. Mocsta is making a lot of excuses. Busy, in mylo etc... I generally agree with Roffles and Mocsta about gtrs. + Show Spoiler + On December 02 2013 15:08 Roffles wrote: I think gtrsrs just doesn't give a fuck anymore because he didn't get his champ of choice and is stuck as a vanilla townie. To me it all makes sense cause I know he probably just picked a champ he likes playing in the actual game (Khazix) and seemed cool in terms of skills here (he announced he was doing this too), but wasn't able to grab him and now just starts screwing around cause he's got nothing better to do. MZ wants gtrs lynched and then spends the rest of his posts defending himself. If this is a popular sentiment and he was a proponent of it early why is he getting so much flak? Are mocsta and MZ arguing for some personal reasons? Why did you want me to read these filters. The first two say nothing and the second two are just arguing. Rayn thinks MZ's contradicting himself but the first couple days I thought Rayn posted okay for the most part. I'm more confused about them at this point than anything. tldr Rean and Austin are useless right now because they're doing nothing. Mocsta's making excuses without them being asked. Could be scummy. MZ's spending all his time on defense. This is the opposite of how soniv approached aggression directed his way. That's why I liked soniv for town earlier. Then this. This is just blatantly not reading the thread. I was asked by jaybrundage to make a "town case" on koshi, so I did so. I even quoted what I was responding to. Yet he tells me I'M not reading the thread. This ticks me off ^_^. On February 08 2014 11:10 jaybrundage wrote: Your right jonny's lack of thread presence is troubling. I didn't think he was that scummy with his early game posts. But not pushing anyone or having any real reads means he could very well be scum. On February 10 2014 05:05 jaybrundage wrote: In response to + Show Spoiler + On February 10 2014 03:17 Balla24 wrote: There's a big problem here in that out of Jaybrundage/Suki, both had very similar non logical progressions on Jonny. Both wanted to see "more" from him, both saw him as scummy later in the day but didn't switch to him. I feel that Suki's progression makes more sense. She was pushing jaybrundage hard because she thought he was scum. Jay's doesn't really follow. It was clear that Jonny was going to get lynched, and he doesn't really share his opinions, he OMGUS vs suki and then his thread presence during the lynch was non-existent. There was no thoughts on the lynch DURING the lynch which I find really surprising for jay. He kind of accepted it and stuck on a useless suki vote, didn't try to push it on anybody else etc etc. He wasn't doing anything even though he should have been doing something, as though it was a lost cause. I really do feel like we have a scum within suki/jay though, so if we lynch within them we have 50% chance on either. Whereas out of the jonny voters I think we are getting more to a 25% chance or so to hit the scum. Although if I'm wrong about this. There's actually 2 scum in the jonny vote and therefore we have closer to a 50% chance of hitting scum in there. I can't decide whether I'd like to lynch within the jonny voters or within jay/suki. Yea I was a bit of a mess later on in day 1. I didn't feel convicted with jonny being scum. I had an early town read on him. I thought you and Koshi were scum and when jonny was agreeing with my thinking it made me think he was town. I was using the heuristic that people who think similarly to me were more likely to be the same alignment as me. However I was wrong with ya'll being scum and similarly with Jonny being town. So yea my reads were all pretty bad early day 1. I began to see jonny as nuller as the day went on. But I never felt that he was sure scum or anything. Then when I got too the thread in the near end of the day. I felt scared to contribute as I didn't want to attract unwanted attention by saying the wrong thing and getting mislynched. I had had a pretty shitty day 1 so I was being pretty cautious. This is a bit of a scummy mind set but I didn't really have much conviction on jonny. I was still pretty null on him. I felt going to the thread and waffling would look bad. So in the end when I commented I didn't mention him at all. As I had nothing of use to add. Instead I commented on other people of interest. I could of moved my vote to jonny. But it felt like it was an empty action. What would be the point of it. He was getting lynched and I had nothing to add or much of opinion that was worth voicing. Alot of this hesitancy stemmed from my bad day 1 and at that point in the game. I was fine with my strong town reads: Balla, Aqua having the reins to the lynch wagon. My biggest concern after my botched start was not to get mislynched tho as opposed to trying to lead a lynch. I tried with who I thought was scum at the beginning. But after that went badly I just wanted to make sure town didn't get a mislynch on me. So that should explain my end of the day play I believe. If you have any questions feel free to ask. I might not be back respond till after the night is over tho. The first post is kinda-sorta soft defense of JonnyLaw but carefully avoids saying whether he thinks JonnyLaw is scum or not. The second is a really weak agreement that JonnyLaw "could be scum". And then there's the huge "excuses and apologies" post where he states that he never had JonnyLaw as scum - how does this work with the previous? And what's the point of stating that you "could of moved your vote" if you honestly didn't think he was scummy, you'd have voted him just because everyone else was voting him? The post is just overall terrible with statements like "My biggest concern after my botched start was not to get mislynched" - as town you find scum and lynch scum, not care about appearances. Part 2: jaybrundage and sidesprang On February 10 2014 14:18 jaybrundage wrote: So guis we should totes lynch Sidesprang. I looked over Oat's filter briefly leaning town atm. It's not based on anything particularly just feels. It's hard to get a good read on Oats as his post's are mostly one liners. So I shall join you Oats on Sidesprang. @Sidesprang. I am gonna policy lynch your ass. There also is a decent chance your scum. So yea. Give me some reason to keep you alive. On February 10 2014 16:09 jaybrundage wrote: I agree whole heartily. If Coag is just useless townie (unlikely) who else do you think you would plug as scum. On February 10 2014 16:11 jaybrundage wrote: Bleh I wanted to vote Coag after I saw his terrible reasoning for his 99% crap. But I also wanna pressure sidesprang T_T Oh well YOU HAVE BEEN WARNED SIDESPRANG!!! On February 11 2014 08:24 jaybrundage wrote: In response to + Show Spoiler + On February 11 2014 02:02 suki wrote: Jay's questions directed at Coag: Hi Jay, I notice you're asking about four players specifically. Can you please let me know why these four (I have an idea just want to let you answer it)? You voted sidesprang as a 'policy lynch'. First off, why was it a policy lynch? Second, what are your thoughts on him right now? What are your own thoughts on Oats, Hopeless and LoneMeow? Welp as you may have guessed I am not as sure on the alignment of the players I am asking about. I might be leaning on them a certain way in regards to their alignment but not very sure on any of them. So I want other people's thoughts so I can get a better read on them. I think Oats is likely town. Similar style of last game. Doesn't seem to be bothered by the pressure that Aqua and Balla were putting on him. Seems reasonable carefree. Hopeless1der is a player I am not sure on again. A common trait in the people I mentioned. Leaning town because he is playing so differently from last scum game. He seems to be thinking about the game. Doesn't post alot which makes it trickier to read him. Lonemeow is someone I feel that is posting very similar to his last game as town. So stands to reason he is town again this game. Seems to be reading up on the game. Posting his questions and little reads. I wanted to push Sidesprang as a policy lynch because he has the smallest filter atm. I want him to post more he doesn't put enough content in the thread. I have a hard time reading him just because of that. However Coag's terrible play is just screaming for a lynch. So I couldn't proceed with my original play of pressuring Sidesprang. I had no intention to actually try to get people to lynch him. I just wanted him to realize that he can be policy lynch material because of his lurker tendencies this game. My scum reads should be well known. I believe Suki that you are similar to Hopeless1der in that you will be the best scum on the team and therefore the hardest to lynch. You play can read either good town Or good scum and that what makes it difficult. Your play if you are scum is also comparable to scum marv. You don't do overtly scummy things that make you an easy lynch. You play using reasoning and meta and all that good stuff. On February 11 2014 11:55 jaybrundage wrote: Can you expand on this Oats. I think Coag is a coin flip basically with more of a chance to land on scum. Maybe like 70-30. Who would you propose we vote instead do you still like sidesprang for a lynch. What about Suki? On February 12 2014 06:54 jaybrundage wrote: I also think Oats is pretty townie sticking his neck out like that. But he had a town read and defended so that looks pretty good on him. I'm not sure about Sidesprang being scum or not. Difficult to read him. Here the first post implies that jaybrundage thinks there's a good chance that sidesprang is scum. So why policy lynch? Why not lynch him for being scum? The next post pretty much states that he also thinks Coagulation is scum. "I wanted to pressure sidesprang" - that just makes no sense, it's not like you can't pressure him even without voting him at that very moment, and you could very well have voted him at that time, as there was plenty of time until lynch to switch if necessary. The last few posts imply that he never actually thought that sidesprang was scum after all. Followed by: On February 12 2014 06:52 jaybrundage wrote: Sidesprang not being in the thread when hes about to be lynched doesn't look so great. Coag could be town reading up on him. I do find it odd that he asked for a vig shot and then got angry when people were gonna lynch him. ##Unvote ##Vote Sidesprang Lets hope for the best. 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On February 11 2014 17:10 Aquanim wrote: <shrug> I don't read theme games. And I don't see what's so unreasonable about asking someone to justify their views. On February 12 2014 06:28 Aquanim wrote: You're hilarious Coag. Also, you disgust me... but the fact you're posting anything game-relevant at all is apparently a town-tell. (Much happier with the scum-meta from the PYP LoL game than the others I found.) Imma go take a quick look at Sidesprang again. On February 12 2014 14:32 Aquanim wrote: Later on somebody linked LoL PYP (which I hadn't found, since it isn't in the database and I didn't check every game for the last three months) and I thought that game was more reliable as a reference for his scum-meta - since it indeed had him doing sweet fuck all, even less than what I saw in his towngames or what he was doing here, I obtained a townread on Coag on that basis. There's some cognitive dissonance between the idea that he doesn't want to bother to check the game because it's themed, yet when it's linked to the thread he in fact does read it and use it as reason to swap his vote. But him being scum would imply a pretty hard bus on D1. I need to look into that but it's bedtime now so that will have to wait until morning. | ||
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On February 13 2014 08:08 jaybrundage wrote: Well lets say I was blue hypothetically I would probably be Parity Cop hypothetically. And I would hypothetically check Koshi day 1 for a control check hypothetically. And then would check Aquanim hypothetically. To see if he was scum hypothetically. But he would come up the SAME hypothetically. So he could be town hypothetically or godfather hypothetically. However if I'm the only blue hypothetically. Then they might not have any mafia role hypothetically. So If I was blue hypothetically that would be what might of happened hypothetically. Not the blue claim I was expecting, but your choices of target do have some merit so meh, dunno. Would you please try addressing some of the issues about your play I highlighted here? | ||
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On February 13 2014 09:15 Hopeless1der wrote: here's what i've got: jay claims blue. so far no counterclaims. ergo jay is blue (Alternatively, scum have no power roles and believe this was an all vanilla game. Incredibly ballsy play) coag was counterwagon to sidesprang oats hard defends coag ->coag, oats town aqua has a 'same' check from jay. suki claims town (surprise, surprise) Lonemeow is all thats left. Are you trying to seriously imply that suki's VT claim is anything but a null tell? | ||
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On February 13 2014 10:18 Aquanim wrote: Dunno that I'd classify entering the thread late as scummy. Stuff happens. I do have a question for LoneMeow though. @LoneMeow: Had you looked at everyone in the game before making this post? If so, what do you mean by a "proper read"? Exactly as advertised on the tin: I had done a quick read through of the thread without stopping to think about anything, without looking into any filters and that was the initial impression I got. "Proper read" meant going back to read it through again, stopping to think about interesting posts and check filters where relevant. | ||
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On February 13 2014 15:29 Aquanim wrote: Is your top scumread still Jay? If I could ignore the claim, yes, but there's nothing that would disprove it really, so I don't know. | ||
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On February 13 2014 12:16 Oatsmaster wrote: why exactly did you say this LM? I was pretty interested in it, balla/suki too. Well yes, and that was the problem: Only a few people seemed really interested in it. And in the last ~6 hours before that post it was pretty much just me/Balla24/Coagulation discussing things. | ||
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On February 13 2014 15:34 Aquanim wrote: Who would be your next best guess ignoring Jay then? Hopeless1der or suki, pretty much equally suspicious of them right now. | ||
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On February 12 2014 23:50 Aquanim wrote: Sorry bout that, dota happened LoneMeow + Show Spoiler + Interactions with/about JonnyLaw On February 08 2014 03:30 LoneMeow wrote: Hello. Had major emergency at work today so I have only done a quick read of the thread so far. So far I'd call JonnyLaw the scummiest of the bunch. Just compare his posting to the previous game and his newbies. One liners, off topic, no hostility towards who he thinks is scum. Proper read commencing now, if there's anything you want me to comment on or pay extra attention to let me know. This was LoneMeow's first post in-game. It would seem a little odd for him to bus his scumbuddy right out the gate - then again, Jonny already had two votes on him (myself and Koshi IIRC) and was taking a decent amount of pressure. It might have just seemed like the safest course. Although actually, now that I think about it... how did LoneMeow come to this conclusion without having done a "proper read" of the thread? If you read this LM I'd like an answer, otherwise I'll ask later. He justifies his position when asked though. On February 08 2014 06:12 LoneMeow wrote: See for example this post from last game: Compare to this game - there's absolutely none of that aggression and hostility aimed at any players. It's all generic, see for example these: On February 08 2014 06:21 LoneMeow wrote: To my best understanding he's had none whatsoever. If you look at the previous aborted game, he did have one liners but he also posted quite a lot of longer posts where he actively volunteered his thoughts and reads on players. That's what is missing in this game, along with the aggression and hostility towards players he thinks are scum. If LoneMeow's scum he bussed JonnyLaw good and hard, at a time when I feel it wasn't immediately necessary... but I'm not entirely sure the scum team would have felt the same way. There was also that thing where Jonny claimed LoneMeow had said "lurking"/"nothing of merit" without ever really reading his filter. ...I really don't know how that reflects on LoneMeow's alignment, I'd like to hear other opinions on this one. I think it could be important though. Interactions with/about Sidesprang On February 08 2014 06:05 LoneMeow wrote: There's always the chance that he actually had to do something IRL, but yes, I see your point. The "trying to make sense" thing was scummy, I agree. What do you think of sidesprang? You asked him some questions, did you come to some conclusion based on the answers? meh. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=442787¤tpage=60#1200 Partially contests suki's case on Sidesprang. Reads kind of similar to my own argument against Oats' case but that doesn't necessarily make LM town. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=442787¤tpage=60#1200 then this, about which I am also "meh". On LoneMeow's meta I went back and had a quick look at his scum meta (most recent I believe) from Newbie XLVII. Despite the fact that he was apparently posting with one hand from hospital or something, he asked some questions and appears to have had at least a little interaction with the thread. My only personal previous experience with LoneMeow was when he was scum in Newbie XLIII, in which his play was significantly less proactive. Therefore, I previously had his large amount of interaction with the thread as a strong towntell - in the light of his XLVII meta I think it's weaker. Conclusion: I don't really have one as yet. He'd be playing a pretty damn good scumgame if he is but I think he might conceivably be capable of it. obviously imma talk some more with lone and develop my read on him tomorrow. For now I'll have a look at hopeless then go to bed. Can't be assed thinking about jay until he reveals whatever is going on with this blueclaim shit. Just to validate your thoughts, are you aware of my meta as scum? | ||
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On February 13 2014 15:51 Aquanim wrote: I'm finding it pretty hard to believe that a scum-Suki would make this post: Given her past comments on Coag she could have very easily just let the Coag lynch go through, but instead she pushed the lynch towards scum. I find it hard to believe this is a "bus my teammate and hope nobody follows" post either. Can you explain why you think Suki's actions regarding the day 2 lynch would serve a scum motivation? If I'm not mistaken the votes after she switched were: Coagulation ( 5 ) : LoneMeow, jaybrundage, Hopeless1der, sidesprang, Aquanim, Sidesprang ( 3 ) : Oatsmaster, Coagulation, suki, Oatsmaster ( 1 ) : Balla24, So I don't see why she wouldn't bus for town cred. Note that she doesn't really do anything to push the lynch, just switches her vote. The way I see it: If we had mislynched Coagulation and then lynched sidesprang after that, it would look better for her to have been on the correct wagon. And it also distances her from sidesprang. | ||
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On February 13 2014 15:57 Aquanim wrote: Well you were scum in Newbie XLIII which we both played in. I also took a look at Newbie XLVII (I think that's the number?) in which you were also scum, but had a motorcycle accident or something just before the game started so you were posting with one hand from hospital. Despite that you engaged with the thread much more than I remember from XLIII, asked questions of people and posted some reasoning behind your reads. AFAIK you haven't played scum since then, correct me if I'm wrong here. I replaced into Hogwarts but got vigged before I even really managed to catch up with the game so I don't know how useful that is. | ||
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On February 13 2014 16:05 Aquanim wrote: Yeah I was thinking about that actually. Ordinarily the argument against both of the wagons on one day being scum is that the scumteam would have tried to set up at least one townie as a possible lynch target. BUT, if the scumteam at that point was Coag/Sidesprang they didn't have the thread presence to do anything of the sort. So you're quite right. I don't think Coag is confirmed town based on that lynch, now that I think about it. Which leaves us with two reasons to think Coag's town: 1) his scum meta is to post no reads or much of anything useful at all, which isn't what we've seen here 2) him getting emotional and flaming us for lynching him Which is... meh. Regarding 1) I'd like to think Coag isn't a complete incompetent, and could possibly play a better scumgame than his usual if he felt like it. So... meh. Regarding 2) the question I'm thinking about is "could Coag, as scum, be mad because he thinks he's being lynched ONLY for the flaws in Alakaslam's play?". And I'm with you here... I really just can't find the scum in the other players. It's conceivable that it's Lone or Hopeless, but I'm not really feeling it. Coag just bailing out of the thread after the lynch and not coming back for 36 hours sits badly with me too but this being Coag what do you expect. Being angry about being lynched is totally null to me. It's quite possible that Coagulation wanted to give sidesprang town cred if he thought there was no way out for him. But really, the meta difference is so huge that I'm not considering him a top lynch right now. | ||
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On February 13 2014 16:09 Aquanim wrote: I'd forgotten Coag had already voted Sidesprang at that point, but that vote would probably be implicit in the thread situation. Still though my feeling for the thread at that point was that Oats was getting no traction pushing the Sidesprang lynch, the thread was largely in the mindset of "let's just lynch Coag and get this day over with". Suki jumping on the Sidesprang wagon gave it momentum and more credibility as a counterwagon. I guess it's possible maybe that Suki misjudged what the effect would be of her getting on Sidesprang. Still though... there were plenty of people on the Coag lynch to hide behind and just sheep to a mislynch. Are you aware of suki's scum meta? I hosted NMM LI - after that I'm extremely wary of her bussing teammates... I'm more like thinking suki did not expect Balla24 to jump on sidesprang and start seriously pushing the vote - that's what got sidesprang lynched, far more than suki herself switching. This is basically Balla24's suspicions before suki went on sidesprang: On February 10 2014 12:39 Balla24 wrote: I don't want to hard push Oats yet, but there is a case to be had in the near future, I want to see other people stuff first. Like hopeless' promised answers to my question, and stuff from coag and sidesprang. | ||
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On February 13 2014 17:34 suki wrote: I put Coag over Hopeless because Hopeless' play makes no sense for a scum planning for late game. He still has two mislynches to go and yet he's townreading everyone except me, his one scum pick. Makes sense as town, not as scum. So based on this weak WIFOMy logic you just ignore everything else about him? If you ignore the "kamikaze, makes no sense" argument for a moment, would he be scummy or not? | ||
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On February 13 2014 17:43 suki wrote: If I ignore his Day 3 'kamikaze no plan for the future' play, then he looks worse than LoneMeow, as per my case in N2: + Show Spoiler + On February 13 2014 00:41 suki wrote: Hopeless: Hopeless is way more active than last game. I was going to say that this points to him being more town but actually thinking about it, he was pretty active at the end of Day 1 last game, active enough to convince people he was town. I was also going to say he's more light-hearted but actually his tone seems about the same (minus the reboot pic that he posted when his wireless conked out which is null imo). He hard pushes Jay as the lynch on Day 1: I actually liked the way he pressured and thought it was townie. and then he randomly votes Jonny: So yeah it's a bit strange. Pushes Jay the whole game, I'm stilll hard pushing Jay. Suddenly he votes Jonny with no explanation. Hopeless then posts his big scum theory on me, which is the biggest effort he's put all game (and which I felt was a big point in his favour). However, scum COULD have written it so let's look into his follow up... ... .. He completely forgets about it. That's really weird. Putting so much effort into calling someone scum and then not even following up. He gets sidetracked on Coag when thread sentiment is headed that way. He also seems to still be seeing Jay as scummy, reaffirmed that Jay's quote was not a blue claim, but isn't pushing Jay either. What about Hopeless' meta read on me? What about my 'bad' case on Jay? What about avoiding Jonny's scum games? About 'wait-and-see' with Jonny? Defending Jonny? Somehow, Hopeless went from suki is scum I have a huge case with actual valid points to, 'i kinda still like suki for scum' with no explanation in between. He also didn't talk about sidesprang yesterday and instead of pushing me or Jay just went with effectively a policy lynch. Conclusion I agree with Aqua, Hopeless looks a lot more scummy than LoneMeow. He's my number one scum read at the moment. So does the "kamikaze" logic hold water? Are those really town reads he can't back out of if you are lynched and flip town? | ||
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