EPT[S] Shadowed Mini Mafia: The Reboot - Page 25
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suki
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Hopeless1der
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jaybrundage
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On the second point. I did mention him in my post. Part of the reason of me changing my playstyle was because Jonny was tunneling me so hard last game. I think he recognizes that he was tunneling a townie tho and felt a bit bad for it and is more hesitant to call me scum. I would agree with you that Jonny calling me scummy. But not going after me was weird. That does seem off. And the quotes where jonny goes after people he thinks are making excuses. But not going after me. Does seem off. Guess we will see how he continues to play. + Show Spoiler + On February 07 2014 13:39 Balla24 wrote: Alright, moving on. What do you guys think about JonnyLaw? I'm very weary on him. The post he quotes here is completely irrelevant to my probability mafia post. This was literally the first time I was not being trolly in this game. I know the things I was referring to were trolly and joky, but I wanted to start the game at that point, and they were interesting enough initial thoughts to question their motives behind it. Why does he think i'm forcing anything and distracting anything. That was literally the start of the first discussion of the game yet he doesn't even really read it. He even moves into quoting one of my more trolly posts afterwards ("I declare myself king") and calls it funny, even though it was way more distracting than anything else I did. Moving on: There were plenty moments where jonny talks about something irrelevant and not helpful to the game with the facade that it is "getting the game started" and "not talking about policy". This post here could have literally happened in post-game and pre-game, I wouldn't be able to tell the difference. There is absolutely NO relevance to jay's alignment in this game. In fact, all it does is help jay if he's scum. There's more moments like this, specifically the Aqua stuff. Here he says that he finds Jay's excuse-making and self-doubt "weary" but doesn't think it makes him scum (or at least that's what I gather from him asking "does that make him scum?" after literally saying "it's scummy sure", which is really weird in itself). This is in direct contrast to what I know of town jonny. The guy LOVES to pick at this stuff. + Show Spoiler [Quotes from jonny town games] + On January 20 2014 11:40 JonnyLaw wrote: Ve's full of shit. He was this active last game. Making excuses for his posting now. ##vote visceral eyes On January 06 2014 15:21 JonnyLaw wrote: You're not saying anything with authority. You're hesitant and making excuses throughout that post. What are your opinions so far? I don't care how other people feel about you or if it's your first game. That doesn't matter. On January 06 2014 15:30 JonnyLaw wrote: I'll be on tomorrow at a more reasonable time. At this point we have three players who've posted nothing. Fine, we have 30+ hours till day ends. I hate this post and generally everything in Asuna's filter. Excuses, bandwagoning and self doubt in one line. I'm down to lynch Asuna or OWB at this point. Dragoon and Chyz read more as if they're trying but misguided. + Show Spoiler [PYP: LoL, where Jonny is Mafia] + On December 03 2013 07:24 JonnyLaw wrote: Rean - Votes yorick, claims vt and roleplays liftlift. Could be scum lurking. Austin talks about champ abilities and not wanting town to role claim. I'm not certain role claiming is the best policy either. Maybe I'm missing something but these two are lurking harder than gtrs. Mocsta is making a lot of excuses. Busy, in mylo etc... I generally agree with Roffles and Mocsta about gtrs. + Show Spoiler + On December 02 2013 15:08 Roffles wrote: I think gtrsrs just doesn't give a fuck anymore because he didn't get his champ of choice and is stuck as a vanilla townie. To me it all makes sense cause I know he probably just picked a champ he likes playing in the actual game (Khazix) and seemed cool in terms of skills here (he announced he was doing this too), but wasn't able to grab him and now just starts screwing around cause he's got nothing better to do. MZ wants gtrs lynched and then spends the rest of his posts defending himself. If this is a popular sentiment and he was a proponent of it early why is he getting so much flak? Are mocsta and MZ arguing for some personal reasons? Why did you want me to read these filters. The first two say nothing and the second two are just arguing. Rayn thinks MZ's contradicting himself but the first couple days I thought Rayn posted okay for the most part. I'm more confused about them at this point than anything. tldr Rean and Austin are useless right now because they're doing nothing. Mocsta's making excuses without them being asked. Could be scummy. MZ's spending all his time on defense. This is the opposite of how soniv approached aggression directed his way. That's why I liked soniv for town earlier. Then this. This is just blatantly not reading the thread. I was asked by jaybrundage to make a "town case" on koshi, so I did so. I even quoted what I was responding to. Yet he tells me I'M not reading the thread. This ticks me off ^_^. | ||
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suki
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jaybrundage
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On February 07 2014 23:18 suki wrote: Seconding the motion that this is bullshit. @Jay Tell me your reasons for wanting to narrow the lynch between Balla and Koshi 2 hours into the game? In the heat of the moment I thought I had caught two scum. That's why I wanted to lynch between them. Alot of the post yesterday by me were in a similar vein. | ||
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jaybrundage
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On February 08 2014 02:05 suki wrote: "Off" there's that word that you jumped on Koshi so hard for at the beginning of the day. Care to rephrase in more solid terms? Not normal. I don't have a good read on jonny. But I look forward to see how he continues to post. I think Lonemeow's absence is concerning. He seemed to be here a good bit more last game. This complete change in style seems like he might be more cautious of posting and I think he could be scum for it. Would love to see some content from him. | ||
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Hopeless1der
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jaybrundage
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On February 08 2014 02:19 Hopeless1der wrote: okay jay, so most of yesterday was 'heat of the moment'. have you re-read or reconsidered your scumreads? Yea Balla is leaning town for me atm. I still think Koshi could be scum but everyone shitting on my push on him, means that the push wasn't not as good as I thought it was. So I won't be pushing him now and will try to get reads on other people. | ||
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Balla24
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On February 07 2014 15:18 suki wrote: My King, for what reason would you turn against your own Queen? It appears the train has stopped and the conductor stopped driving. It brought me absolutely nowhere. Thanks Wagon Conductor Oatsmaster. 3 reasons here: 1. The train choo choo opportunity was wayyyyy to good to pass up. 2. I didn't really like ANY of the content you were bringing up to that point. Since then, it's been a teeny itsy bit better. Let's go into detail. At the point of the following quote, we already know your that you think jay is scum, your vote is on him, you hated his case on koshi, too early etc etc, you already know how I felt about that at the time so no need to talk about it: On February 07 2014 09:26 suki wrote: I will be honored to be your queen, my King. However, I find Jay's desire to scum hunt forced and contrived. I can't believe that he's seriously saying that you and Koshi are a scum team. I find his self-consciousness (that you pointed out) to be a scum tell on him because, as per my meta-read in Shadowed mafia, that was one of the features which I found in his scum play. I don't want to come to any hard conclusions on him yet because his tunnel on Koshi is stupid both as town and scum, and 'tryhard town' does seem like something he would do, however my vote on him is serious. Here you say you find his "self-consciousness to be a scum tell because of your meta read". Why dost thou not share quotes from his scum play where you have noticed this? It's quite important to proving your point don't you think? You follow by saying you don't want to come to any hard conclusions but your vote is serious. I'm of the opinion that if your vote is serious then you HAVE come to a hard conclusion. That's a matter of semantics, I just think it's weird to say it like that and I would say it differently. I do really like that point though as I said earlier. Here is your case on sidesprang: + Show Spoiler + On February 07 2014 14:50 suki wrote: I've had a skim through most of the people in this thread and I want to bring people's attention to one person in particular: Sidesprang Sidesprang is not a high-quantity player. This is true throughout all his games. I noticed something when I was reading his posts while catching up, and this notion became stronger when I reread his filter. With this notion in mind, I then looked up his game history. I found 3 town games and 1 mafia game. Meta analysis in spoiler: + Show Spoiler + In all his games he has a very short filter. In his town games, Sidesprang uses his posts the ask difficult questions and hunt scum. He does this in all three games (Although TL Mafia XX is not a good example I feel as he mostly spends his time apologizing for not being there, but he does post his opinions and stays away from policy talk etc). http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=436388&user=sidesprang http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=434723&user=sidesprang http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=115243&user=sidesprang In the one scum game I found (If there are more let me know), sidesprang does not scum hunt but rather wastes a lot of time talking about policy, discussing setup, etc. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=111913&user=sidesprang Now my point with this case is not to say that sidesprang is totes scum, but rather to point out some observations that I've made that make it seem that he is in a different mindset this game, and that this mindset makes him more likely scum. sidesprang's attitude this game feels different from his town games. He asks 'Are you basing your scum read on Suki just off meta atm?' then spends two large posts talking about how my meta is different and basically soft-defending me. I'm used to sidesprang asking tough questions, questions whose answers have meaning. It's kind of subtle but I feel like if sidesprang really cared about Aquanim's answer he would have waited for Aqua's reply. The other thing I noticed is that when he talked about Jay, he talked directly to Jay 'Regarding your Koshi case.. you better get more meat on it ... I think it's too early to call you scum...' In all of his town games he has always referred to other players as 'this guy' and spoke about them in the third person. Not once did he ever directly write an analysis against someone as if he was talking to them. A weak point but just something that caught my eye. - This is admittedly a lot of words to describe a few subtle things. However there was just something different about sidesprang this game, and I wanted to explore it. Now that I have I want to share this information and just keep a closer eye on him. The fact that so much has happened in the thread and sidesprang has only called Jay scummy is something that is different than his previous town games. The fact that he spends a lot of time discussing my meta feels like he's playing this game with a different mindset, one that's not so focused on scum hunting and more focused on looking like he's contributing. In fact, in the previous three town games that I skimmed I didn't see one instance of him defending a player. All his efforts were on scum hunting. So. Conclusion: Sidesprang is scummy because his approach to this game is different, which can be seen as scummy for the reasons expressed above. We should keep a close eye on him and see how he chooses to continue the game. Again, the first thing that stands out to me is that there are no quotes at all in here. In a meta case like this it's impossible to see your point without quotes. The bolded are things that I believe to be completely false. Either because I don't see it in this game, you have your facts wrong or I don't see it in his previous games. I don't believe his discussion of your meta was defending you at all. Rather, I see it more as bringing new relevant information to the thread. He has that knowledge because he's played with you, he believes that meta argument on you to be false. I thought the same thing. Plus, I find it really hard to believe that he has not defended anybody in any of his town games, but looking through I can see what you're saying. However, if I were him that's 100% something I would want to change. Developing and defending your town reads is an important facet to a town player. On February 08 2014 01:32 suki wrote: What do people think about lynching slam or LoneMeow for pulling the same 24 hour disappearance trick that Hopeless did in the previous game? I know that slam can check the game from his phone and has no qualms about posting from his phone. This behaviour is not typical of either of them. I am absolutely 100% down to lynch slam. Not LoneMeow, because he has already displayed huge tendencies to do this in the last game. I'm very surprised that slam has not posted a single thing and is not doing any shenanigans at all, it's quite unlike him. I do believe that it is waaaaaaaay harder to enter a crazy thread like this as scum compared to as town, so we shall see what they both do when they enter the thread. | ||
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Balla24
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suki
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I guess I'll do that now. | ||
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jaybrundage
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Balla24
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Balla24
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On February 08 2014 02:29 jaybrundage wrote: @Balla Slam kind of slipped my mind but your right about him not posting is weird. But I wouldn't say lonemeow wasn't posting yesterday. He seemed to have some posts in the thread at least. Yep and that's totally understandable. My point is is that I wouldn't lynch lonemeow because he has displayed super lurker tendencies already. I'd lynch slam regardless of his return to the thread unless it's amazing because I think it is very against his meta. Though it's not as strong as hopeless last game because I don't have a scum game where he does it. | ||
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Hopeless1der
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On February 08 2014 02:29 jaybrundage wrote: @Balla Slam kind of slipped my mind but your right about him not posting is weird. But I wouldn't say lonemeow wasn't posting yesterday. He seemed to have some posts in the thread at least. go filter lonemeow again. | ||
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Balla24
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On February 08 2014 01:29 Hopeless1der wrote: At a skim, he goes from JayB->JonnyLaw->me->Suki->sidesprang. Can't sit still, pursuing everything he sees for the most part. He completely glances over JonnyLaw and me, but volunteered reads/reasons for the other 3. I think he's town. This is a really easily given townread here hopeless. Why does him jumping around make him more likely to be town then scum? I think I know what you're getting at but i'd like to see if it matches. | ||
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Balla24
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On February 08 2014 03:04 Hopeless1der wrote: if its so easy to give then why do you know what I'm getting at balla? Either I'm full of shit or you think I can be trusted. Exactly this. Either you are full of shit or you have good reasoning behind it and it makes you more townie. This response makes me think you are full of shit and it was just a random town read though, because it's super easy to explain what I think you are getting at. | ||
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