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VisceraEyes
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Palmar
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But all that being said, while you wrote all this I was and am reading Oats's ego mini mafia filter clicky! and trying to make sense of it. Oats hasn't done anything in the game. I'm trying to remember that town game where he was instrumental in lynching scum on day 1, as I wanted both a town game and scum game for reference. I still think lynching Oats is a good idea. I have nice "feels" (isn't that what the cool kids call it?) about killing him. | ||
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Palmar
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VisceraEyes
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##Unvote ##Vote: Oatsmaster | ||
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Palmar
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I know you can't see my face But I'm really happy right now, I feel like I have a lynch we can get on. Problem is that if yamato is town the game is lost, as he apparently plays only 2-3 posts a day. We need everyone to switch to Oats. | ||
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WaveofShadow
Canada31494 Posts
VE you want sheep? Also I am a huge sucker for feels but I still wish there was something concrete on Oats so I could understand him for future games. | ||
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Holyflare
United Kingdom30774 Posts
On February 19 2014 05:16 Palmar wrote: If you think Oats is town, you by extension think the scumteam is yamato/WoS/Risen. Good to know where you stand Do you want to elaborate on that stance on Oats? Major deja vu...... this happened today already?? http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=442512¤tpage=158#3156 ANYWAY apart from that thing I posted about him being around for my rage bit there's his meta (which I know you said somewhere you don't like to look at or whatever but I like to) Ego Mini Mafia - Scum Doctor Who Mafia - Scum Carnival Cruise Mafia - Town Roulette Mini Mafia - Town Oats in town games posts inane comments and looks like he doesn't know about anything he is talking about (like a general towny would) and never really posts substantial comments. His scum game is TOTALLLYYYY different, he actually makes cases, I was incredibly surprised. Here, for example: + Show Spoiler + On April 05 2013 19:24 Oatsmaster wrote: EBWOP: Forgot to put in Sci Read his filter now He starts with random setup speculation with a really really fucking obvious answer if he even followed vaguely any instant majority lynch game. Yeah all setup speculation and trying to justify his argument, 'to start discussion' YEAH you dont do that with such a bad question. It looked like a setup and for him to look active with easy stuff to post. Yeah sniping marv and asking really 'snipy' questions. Feeling off right now, leaning scum on him ##Vote: Sci So Palmar any initial reads? On April 06 2013 23:24 Oatsmaster wrote: Wtf has Ace been doing all this while? This post especially Who wants to keep people around? scum. THATS RIGHT. Also even after WoS said that thing, Ace didnt change his playstyle and try and help town. He is firmly in the back of the chorus line for this game rather than a soloist. Weird activity considering he was the main proponents of the VE mislynch. Granted that was day 2.(Doesnt clear my suspicions) Also he posts this, And doesnt do JACK SHIT about ANY OF THIS. Just asks a random question ??? Marv is scum Ace generally useless? On April 06 2013 01:16 Oatsmaster wrote: I COMMAND YOU TO DISCUSS. Im waiting *taps foot* On April 06 2013 01:22 Oatsmaster wrote: By your command Marv. This is why I want to lynch scib Do you agree/disagree and WHY? I am null on you, as I said to people earlier, prove why this is not noob town and in fact is scum. No one has done that and everyone has dropped it. Earlier, I said that again, Im null on Ace, as far as I know he does this with both alignments, but the longer he goes without a coherent push in any direction, the more solid my read gets on him. Here is Dr.Who examples etc etc: + Show Spoiler + On May 18 2013 11:11 Oatsmaster wrote: DISAPPEARING OFF THE FACE OF THE EARTH. Friday nights man, busy stuff. Guys i dont think Sharrant is a good lynch, cause marv said so and sheeping dead confirmed townies is awesome. Also cause he has shown effort is his posting and its reads like he believes in this shit and is not lying. Now who is scum? Deconduo. What marv said which was, Hit and run case on Ghost. Mafia favored plan. What else that solidified my read on him was Look at the attutide here in this post, its an attitude of survival rather than lynching scum. He doesnt say its for consolidation, he says its 'better him than me'. Also his stance for Vivax 30 minutes before the vote is 'not d1 lynch'. What changed in those 30 minutes deconduo?. Keep in mind that Vivax flipped scum. Looks like an opportunistic vote to not stand out. Now, compare this to his town games of carnival and roulette, there are multiple WHY questions, he wants people to explain all their actions so he can get motives, get information and there is no overlying need to drive a lynch onto anyone unless he can prove with legit information they are scum + Show Spoiler + On May 15 2013 00:55 Oatsmaster wrote: grush57: Starsenses. Town. slOosh: I like his push on rayn, rayn might be scum. Town kushm4sta: He gives bullshit reason why OO is town and thats his only contribution. Leaning scum raynpelikoneet: So many defences after his push on DP and DP got killed. He keeps hopping around from me to OO to shiro to other dudes. He hasnt put in any effort to get me lynched, find out my alignment it seems. It looks like im his strongest scum read, but he goes on to ask other people questions without posing me any. Leaning scum. strongandbig: Posting seems really careless and he keeps asking about me, pressuring me, etc = townie trait ish. Town. sinani206: Posted NOTHING. Leaning scum kitaman27: dead Blazing Hand: Pushing WoS hard, and it feels different from THE GAME where here he is actively participating instead of trolling or being really spammy. Town. Bill Murray: Nothing. Null cause he doesnt do this as either alignment as far as I know. Vivax: Vivax is interested in lynching dudes, playing the game using weird shit like playing horribly n0 which seems to be something he only does as town. Town. shirokami: Really really sheepy, he asks somewhat useless questions, no analysis no nothing. Post more please. Leaning town for the general fuck it attitude. VisceraEyes: Meh I like his votehopping, and that he has put in opinions on a multitude of players, 2-3,. Leaning town, wont lynch today(yay 180s=awesomesauce). prplhz: Pushing Hiropro it seems, feels really like all his other recent town games that I have been in with him, marginally useful and kinda lurky. ObviousOne: Really careless free posting, unlike his careful mafia play. Town. WaveofShadow: scum for being so fucking different from all the other games that he has been under threat of a hammer. And different in a bad way, shut down and not really willing to talk and/or scumhunt. wtf WoS. Scum. Oatsmaster: town cause I got my vote stolen. Also cause im a complete badass. HiroPro: I really dont know. I dislike his reasoning for his vote on OO, seems playstyle rather than alignment issues there. lynch cause I hate him for fakeclaiming dt in personality and everyone believing him. Sheep. Promethelax: Really different from last scum game, attitude is taking charge of the thread and he seems to really find scum/get people to post more to be able to read them. Town. VayneAuthority: I kinda like that he chose Prp to push, but Prp is lowhanging fruit. Seems either like noob scum or overwhelmed newbie, have to find that out. null. chaoser: Oh my useless posts, doesnt push anyone, just asks prome a ton of questions that seem more sniping certain parts than actually trying to find his alignment. All his reasoning for wanting to lynch dudes is like a line or so and he doesnt seem intent on following it up. Leaning scum. DarthPunk: ded Now, compare that to this game. He has lynch choices, he votes people and the reasoning is because of overlying reasons based on their gameplay this game rather than the wall of quotes from scum games that he uses to overjustify his reads to people. He posts things that make sense: and is eliminating people as town reads, which is the right thing to do in this situation by events that are happening rather than pushing an agenda of voting for someone with quotes which he would need to do if he was scum right now[spoiler][QUOTE]On February 19 2014 05:16 Palmar wrote: [QUOTE]On February 19 2014 05:11 Holyflare wrote: I think oats is town :o If you think Oats is town, you by extension think the scumteam is yamato/WoS/Risen. Good to know where you stand Do you want to elaborate on that stance on Oats? Major deja vu...... this happened today already?? [url=http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=442512¤tpage=158#3156]http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=442512¤tpage=158#3156[/url] ANYWAY apart from that thing I posted about him being around for my rage bit there's his meta (which I know you said somewhere you don't like to look at or whatever but I like to) [url=http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=406168&user=Oatsmaster&view=all]Ego Mini Mafia[/url] - Scum [url=http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=407704&user=Oatsmaster&view=all]Doctor Who Mafia[/url] - Scum [url=http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=407685&user=Oatsmaster&view=all]Carnival Cruise Mafia[/url] - Town [url=http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=414632&user=Oatsmaster&view=all]Roulette Mini Mafia[/url] - Town Oats in town games posts inane comments and looks like he doesn't know about anything he is talking about (like a general towny would) and never really posts substantial comments. His scum game is TOTALLLYYYY different, he actually makes cases, I was incredibly surprised. Here, for example: + Show Spoiler + On April 05 2013 19:24 Oatsmaster wrote: EBWOP: Forgot to put in Sci Read his filter now He starts with random setup speculation with a really really fucking obvious answer if he even followed vaguely any instant majority lynch game. Yeah all setup speculation and trying to justify his argument, 'to start discussion' YEAH you dont do that with such a bad question. It looked like a setup and for him to look active with easy stuff to post. Yeah sniping marv and asking really 'snipy' questions. Feeling off right now, leaning scum on him ##Vote: Sci So Palmar any initial reads? On April 06 2013 23:24 Oatsmaster wrote: Wtf has Ace been doing all this while? This post especially Who wants to keep people around? scum. THATS RIGHT. Also even after WoS said that thing, Ace didnt change his playstyle and try and help town. He is firmly in the back of the chorus line for this game rather than a soloist. Weird activity considering he was the main proponents of the VE mislynch. Granted that was day 2.(Doesnt clear my suspicions) Also he posts this, And doesnt do JACK SHIT about ANY OF THIS. Just asks a random question ??? Marv is scum Ace generally useless? On April 06 2013 01:16 Oatsmaster wrote: I COMMAND YOU TO DISCUSS. Im waiting *taps foot* On April 06 2013 01:22 Oatsmaster wrote: By your command Marv. This is why I want to lynch scib Do you agree/disagree and WHY? I am null on you, as I said to people earlier, prove why this is not noob town and in fact is scum. No one has done that and everyone has dropped it. Earlier, I said that again, Im null on Ace, as far as I know he does this with both alignments, but the longer he goes without a coherent push in any direction, the more solid my read gets on him. Here is Dr.Who examples etc etc: + Show Spoiler + [QUOTE]On May 18 2013 11:11 Oatsmaster wrote: DISAPPEARING OFF THE FACE OF THE EARTH. Friday nights man, busy stuff. Guys i dont think Sharrant is a good lynch, cause marv said so and sheeping dead confirmed townies is awesome. Also cause he has shown effort is his posting and its reads like he believes in this shit and is not lying. Now who is scum? Deconduo. What marv said which was, Hit and run case on Ghost. Mafia favored plan. What else that solidified my read on him was [quote][QUOTE]On May 17 2013 04:52 deconduo wrote: ##Unvote ##Vote Vivax Better him than me. Also there really is no case against me...[/QUOTE] [/quote] Look at the attutide here in this post, its an attitude of survival rather than lynching scum. He doesnt say its for consolidation, he says its 'better him than me'. Also his stance for Vivax 30 minutes before the vote is 'not d1 lynch'. What changed in those 30 minutes deconduo?. Keep in mind that Vivax flipped scum. Looks like an opportunistic vote to not stand out. [quote] I never said I was useless on day 1, just that I don't spontaneously offer reads straight off the bat. Your case was 50% meta which I showed to be invalid. The other half of the case was based on me suggesting a bad plan, which I gave a counterpoint to that you haven't responded to... [quote] The case was not 50% meta, it was behavior with a splash of meta thrown in. His defence to the bad plan was, I didnt think it through. Why would you just spout out a plan without thinking about it? Its more than likely that people will just ignore it and what discussion do you get out of that? No, it was activity for the sake of activity. [quote]Just popping in for a few minutes, looks like oats slipped hard. ##Vote Oatsmaster[/quote] Deconduo is thinking here, WOOHOO SCUMSLIP. YES. NO NEED TO 'FIND' A LYNCH. YEAH!!!. Then he disappears and comes back with [quote]I agree that oats' play day one wasn't particularly scummy. However that slip us way too blatant for us to ignore as a mistake. First of all oats would have to not read up on how the movement works,secondly the hosts would have to not inform him that he moved illegally and finally the hosts would have to willingly put his move through. If he is a blue that knows his position, why hasn't he at least soft claimed instead of disappearing off the face of the earth. [/quote] Dec is not taking into account other possibilities, he is tunneling me cause he cant find anyone else and 'scumslips' make it easy for scum to latch onto. Gotta go for now, be back in like an hour+[/QUOTE] [QUOTE]On May 18 2013 11:12 Oatsmaster wrote: DISAPPEARING OFF THE FACE OF THE EARTH. Friday nights man, busy stuff. Guys i dont think Sharrant is a good lynch, cause marv said so and sheeping dead confirmed townies is awesome. Also cause he has shown effort is his posting and its reads like he believes in this shit and is not lying. Now who is scum? Deconduo. What marv said which was, Hit and run case on Ghost. Mafia favored plan. What else that solidified my read on him was [quote][QUOTE]On May 17 2013 04:52 deconduo wrote: ##Unvote ##Vote Vivax Better him than me. Also there really is no case against me...[/QUOTE] [/quote] Look at the attutide here in this post, its an attitude of survival rather than lynching scum. He doesnt say its for consolidation, he says its 'better him than me'. Also his stance for Vivax 30 minutes before the vote is 'not d1 lynch'. What changed in those 30 minutes deconduo?. Keep in mind that Vivax flipped scum. Looks like an opportunistic vote to not stand out. [quote] I never said I was useless on day 1, just that I don't spontaneously offer reads straight off the bat. Your case was 50% meta which I showed to be invalid. The other half of the case was based on me suggesting a bad plan, which I gave a counterpoint to that you haven't responded to... [/quote] The case was not 50% meta, it was behavior with a splash of meta thrown in. His defence to the bad plan was, I didnt think it through. Why would you just spout out a plan without thinking about it? Its more than likely that people will just ignore it and what discussion do you get out of that? No, it was activity for the sake of activity. [quote]Just popping in for a few minutes, looks like oats slipped hard. ##Vote Oatsmaster[/quote] Deconduo is thinking here, WOOHOO SCUMSLIP. YES. NO NEED TO 'FIND' A LYNCH. YEAH!!!. Then he disappears and comes back with [quote]I agree that oats' play day one wasn't particularly scummy. However that slip us way too blatant for us to ignore as a mistake. First of all oats would have to not read up on how the movement works,secondly the hosts would have to not inform him that he moved illegally and finally the hosts would have to willingly put his move through. If he is a blue that knows his position, why hasn't he at least soft claimed instead of disappearing off the face of the earth. [/quote] Dec is not taking into account other possibilities, he is tunneling me cause he cant find anyone else and 'scumslips' make it easy for scum to latch onto. Gotta go for now, be back in like an hour+[/QUOTE] Now, compare this to his town games of carnival and roulette, there are multiple WHY questions, he wants people to explain all their actions so he can get motives, get information and there is no overlying need to drive a lynch onto anyone unless he can prove with legit information they are scum + Show Spoiler + [QUOTE]On May 15 2013 00:55 Oatsmaster wrote: grush57: Starsenses. Town. slOosh: I like his push on rayn, rayn might be scum. Town kushm4sta: He gives bullshit reason why OO is town and thats his only contribution. Leaning scum raynpelikoneet: So many defences after his push on DP and DP got killed. He keeps hopping around from me to OO to shiro to other dudes. He hasnt put in any effort to get me lynched, find out my alignment it seems. It looks like im his strongest scum read, but he goes on to ask other people questions without posing me any. Leaning scum. strongandbig: Posting seems really careless and he keeps asking about me, pressuring me, etc = townie trait ish. Town. sinani206: Posted NOTHING. Leaning scum kitaman27: dead Blazing Hand: Pushing WoS hard, and it feels different from THE GAME where here he is actively participating instead of trolling or being really spammy. Town. Bill Murray: Nothing. Null cause he doesnt do this as either alignment as far as I know. Vivax: Vivax is interested in lynching dudes, playing the game using weird shit like playing horribly n0 which seems to be something he only does as town. Town. shirokami: Really really sheepy, he asks somewhat useless questions, no analysis no nothing. Post more please. Leaning town for the general fuck it attitude. VisceraEyes: Meh I like his votehopping, and that he has put in opinions on a multitude of players, 2-3,. Leaning town, wont lynch today(yay 180s=awesomesauce). prplhz: Pushing Hiropro it seems, feels really like all his other recent town games that I have been in with him, marginally useful and kinda lurky. ObviousOne: Really careless free posting, unlike his careful mafia play. Town. WaveofShadow: scum for being so fucking different from all the other games that he has been under threat of a hammer. And different in a bad way, shut down and not really willing to talk and/or scumhunt. wtf WoS. Scum. Oatsmaster: town cause I got my vote stolen. Also cause im a complete badass. HiroPro: I really dont know. I dislike his reasoning for his vote on OO, seems playstyle rather than alignment issues there. lynch cause I hate him for fakeclaiming dt in personality and everyone believing him. Sheep. Promethelax: Really different from last scum game, attitude is taking charge of the thread and he seems to really find scum/get people to post more to be able to read them. Town. VayneAuthority: I kinda like that he chose Prp to push, but Prp is lowhanging fruit. Seems either like noob scum or overwhelmed newbie, have to find that out. null. chaoser: Oh my useless posts, doesnt push anyone, just asks prome a ton of questions that seem more sniping certain parts than actually trying to find his alignment. All his reasoning for wanting to lynch dudes is like a line or so and he doesnt seem intent on following it up. Leaning scum. DarthPunk: ded Now, compare that to this game. He has lynch choices, he votes people and the reasoning is because of overlying reasons based on their gameplay this game rather than the wall of quotes from scum games that he uses to overjustify his reads to people. He asks people why they are doing things and defends people as being town based on their actions when he didn't need to be around. | ||
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Holyflare
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WaveofShadow
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I'll read that later but if it's a Holy-case on Oats it almost makes me think we should do the opposite to be right.... | ||
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Holyflare
United Kingdom30774 Posts
ANYWAY apart from that thing I posted about him being around for my rage bit there's his meta (which I know you said somewhere you don't like to look at or whatever but I like to) Ego Mini Mafia - Scum Doctor Who Mafia - Scum Carnival Cruise Mafia - Town Roulette Mini Mafia - Town Those are the links for the people unable to copy paste :p | ||
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Holyflare
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Palmar
Iceland22632 Posts
I think Oats is scum because he has been all over the place without ever trying to enforce any of his reads. I wrote a point on day 2 where I noted he had called just about everyone in the game scum. He has been like a fly on the wall doing nothing but throwing out random points the entire game. I seem to remember a game where Oats was instrumental in leading a lynch on day one, nothing even remotely close has ever happened this game. This is a lynch I'm willing to do, I think it's a good lynch. It's a lynch I'm willing to go down with and take the responsibility. | ||
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Palmar
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On February 19 2014 05:47 WaveofShadow wrote: That post wtf. I'll read that later but if it's a Holy-case on Oats it almost makes me think we should do the opposite to be right.... haha, yeah I get the same feeling. His megacases on Grack and Cora didn't work out! | ||
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Holyflare
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Holyflare
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Palmar
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Palmar
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Holyflare
United Kingdom30774 Posts
You said you have to treat me as town so you only need 1 other town to complete that circle, you are thinking it's wave. That would mean both oats and risen are scum and he's afk sleep voting the guy you think is scum. Shouldn't we be auto voting risen in this case either way? | ||
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Palmar
Iceland22632 Posts
On February 19 2014 06:08 Holyflare wrote: You said you have to treat me as town so you only need 1 other town to complete that circle, you are thinking it's wave. That would mean both oats and risen are scum and he's afk sleep voting the guy you think is scum. Shouldn't we be auto voting risen in this case either way? Can you not count? With me, VE already on Oats, WoS willing to lynch him we only need your vote. Yam's vote is irrelevant, he's probably scum with Oats! | ||
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Palmar
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