EPTI think the phrase you're looking for is you won't 'tolerate' ignorance? :>
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I think the phrase you're looking for is you won't 'tolerate' ignorance? :> | ||
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Anyways Jonny nice to see ya. If I write a case about you being scum this game can you be a little nicer and not flame me for being a horrible player :| I mean, I know I'm a horrible player but I gots feelings >_< | ||
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So anyways. I'll just start this off with a few things: 1. I'm a girl, please refer to me as she, her etc. In regards to Koshi's starter: 2. Let's be nice. I don't mind saying things are stupid or retarded or whatever, but let's lay off the personal attacks. 3. Koshi you're advocating policy lynching people who don't hit 40 posts a day? That's nice, however I don't policy lynch unless there's no better option for lynching scum. | ||
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How does this make you feel? | ||
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On February 04 2014 07:40 LoneMeow wrote: Well, for starters I don't quite agree with your "minimum post count" thing. I'll support a lurker lynch if it's necessary, but based on amount of content, not number of posts. and now you're like I like Balla's reasoning for voting LoneMeow, "He comes in and justifies lurking." So do you think LoneMeow is being reasonable, or do you think he's making excuses? | ||
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Why does what I say mean I think Jonny is scummy Balla? I made no such inference in my post. I personally don't see anything wrong with LoneMeow's posts. | ||
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On February 04 2014 10:54 Balla24 wrote: What do you mean he didn't change his mind? He clearly did. "What the fuck is that vote?" to "I actually like your reasoning" seems like a change of mind to me. How do you not see what Jonny sees. In his first and last post he is making excuses for a low post count based on the way he plays in other games, in his second post he says something reasonable about the policy discussion. Why is that interesting? They are not contradictory. Yes, he changed his mind with respect to his opinion of your vote. I was thinking that you were saying he was changing his mind between the two comments that Lonemeow had brought up (saying that he liked LoneMeow's reasoning, contrasted with saying LoneMeow is giving excuses for lurking). Like you said, they are not contradictory, hence there was no change of mind with respect to his opinion of LoneMeow. And honestly I just wanted to poke Jonny and see what he said. | ||
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On February 04 2014 11:25 jaybrundage wrote: Why do you think Suki would post about jonny if not trying to discern if hes mafia or not? (These questions go out to Suki as well?) Just because I'm pressuring someone (to see if they're mafia) doesn't mean I think they're scum or that I'm accusing them of scum. I don't see any contradiction. | ||
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 Maybe if you answered me differently I would think you were scummy, but as it stands I think you're being reasonable so I am not getting scum vibes off of you at this moment. | ||
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My thought is he uses a lot of words to essentially say nothing. | ||
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On February 04 2014 11:25 jaybrundage wrote: Sidesprung you asked me a question I responded. There is alot going in the thread right now. I don't just want to see content I want to see some post count too. People are conversing, poking at one another a back and forth. You make one question at me and you disappeared. Don't you have anything else to comment on, or respond to my post or make a comment on another post or give your opinion. Anything really. Dropping one post and leaving the thread is not the environment town should be fostering. Thru discussion like i was talking about earlier we can learn other alignments and discover ulterior motives. Ill give you somethings to post on. He's writing a lot of words that basically say 'Sidesprang I want you to post something'. + Show Spoiler + What do you think of Balla's early vote on LM? Was it appropriate given LM"s posts? What do you think of my response to your post? Does what I say made sense? Do you agree that I should have questioned Jonny about Balla's scum game or should I have not said anything? Why do you think Suki poke at Jonnys two opinions? Do you think Suki got defensive after Balla inquired about her post? Why do you think Suki would post about jonny if not trying to discern if hes mafia or not? (These questions go out to Suki as well?) Who is your towniest read at the moment? Who do you think is most likely scum? Do you believe in policy lynching lurkers? What is the lowest amount someone should be expected to post? What's the point of these questions? Especially the last paragraph of questions. This post feels like a lot of fluff and not much substance. | ||
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How about you answer a few of the questions you posed yourself? | ||
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On February 04 2014 12:15 Oatsmaster wrote: he's trying to advance the game to find scum duhhhh. Sorry I must be a bit slow. Can you provide a few examples where you feel that he is advancing the game to find scum? | ||
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On February 04 2014 10:38 cakemanofdoom wrote: Hi everyone What did you mean "that's nice"? Why didn't you give thoughts on the policy instead of just making a generic statement against policy lynches? Ah, I actually totally missed this post. I was wondering why you were continuing to hamper me on my 'lack of comment' on Koshi's 'policy lynch' discussion. I don't policy lynch. Is that clear enough? Also, I notice you haven't actually stated your thoughts on Koshi's policy, but instead are just asking people questions and saying how my opening post was "trying to seem helpful while avoiding anything that mattered". Can you please let me know who you think is scummy at the moment, or answer some of jay's list of questions which you thought were relevant enough topics? Because at the moment you seem to be trying to seem helpful while avoiding anything that matters. | ||
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On February 04 2014 12:49 jaybrundage wrote: Suki I want to see more of your thinking on me. What do you think of the post I copy pasted over from my Spreadsheet. I talked a bit about you in it. What do you think about it. I want to know what YOU think? Talk about me please :D Or anyone at all but i want to hear your opinion. I gave you my opinion on everyone in the game. I like your post and your line of thinking thus far. The fact that you've put a lot of thought into sidesprang's meta is a point in your favour as it's less likely scum would do that. Your read on me is whatever. I'm pressuring you the most so the fact that you think I'm scummy is understandable I guess. Anyways you're coming off to me as town for now. I don't have any solid reads on scum at the moment so I am just throwing out my line and seeing what I can reel back in. | ||
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On February 04 2014 12:53 Balla24 wrote: Your notes are basically the same thing I was thinking except on cakeman. He was bringing new information to the thread that nobody pointed out before. That's good, not bad. Hi Balla~ Are you saying that cakeman is bringing new information to the thread because I don't see it. He's spent a lot of time saying how he doesn't like my opening post for not addressing Koshi's topic, when clearly I addressed it. Also, he didn't even contribute his own thoughts on the matter, even though Koshi's policy was the most "relevant thing" to talk about. | ||
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On February 04 2014 12:59 Balla24 wrote: That's wrong IMO. I use meta like crazy to justify my otherwise inexplicable townreads early on when I'm scum. Meta is as much as a tool for mafia as it is for town. The use of meta isn't what's townie to me. It's the fact that he went into this huge spiel about how sidesprang is probably going to lurk and have a low post count, in order to encourage sidesprang to post more. He didn't use the meta to provide a read. As scum I would have expected him to hold back and pop out that meta when it would be most effective to cause a mislynch or whatever. And anyways jay's most recent posts also feel townie to me so in general I am getting a townie vibe from him. | ||
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On February 04 2014 13:03 jaybrundage wrote:I don't see intention behind your posts besides to post for the sake of it. We were three pages into Day 1. What do you expect? I think I was successful as plenty of discussion has come up from it and we're not wasting time talking about policy anymore. | ||
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His "case" against Koshi is bad, and yet he continues to push it. He's also not consistent with his views: On February 04 2014 15:32 Oatsmaster wrote: suki nullish, dunno why she is attacking you though, bad reasons but not inherently scummy. Cakeman also null. Same with johnny. i mean, nobody is really pushing shit and its hard to figure out if they are posting for the sake of it or posting to find scum. Literally throughout the whole 7-8 pages there is no concerted effort to push someone by anyone. Koshi scum for suggesting a really bad policy about post counts and nothing else. It feels like bait for scum to jump on but there is no followup. On February 05 2014 00:49 Balla24 wrote: Can you explain a bit more? 1. How does Koshi posting something "bad" make it bait for scum to jump on? Basically: what will scum do with it? 2. Did anybody jump on it? 3. Was this your first thought when you read it? On February 05 2014 00:57 Oatsmaster wrote: 1. Scum will go and shit on Koshi for it because its bad and scummy. 2. yeah suki and some other dudes. 3. My first thought was why is koshi proposing such a useless policy. mannnn Koshi's shitposting is AFTER his first post. This is almost a scum claim right here. Oats is doing the exact thing that he says scum would do, and yet he's calling other people out for it. Who is Oats willing to lynch today? On February 05 2014 01:39 Oatsmaster wrote: Yeah Im not telling you my conclusions because I want to hear what you think without my conclusions coloring your analysis. I really null on cake, what he posts when he comes back is really important and will probably decided my read. Hopeless is a useless piece of shit that we should lynch. (... On a side note, I don't approve of the personal attack calling Hopeless a 'useless piece of shit'.) Anyways. He suddenly thinks Hopeless is super scummy, without any reasoning. This is after LoneMeow has stated suspicions on Hopeless so it feels like a bandwagon. Hopeless was one of the people who didn't shit on Koshi's policy, and said that the policy makes him feel motivated. So this big scum tell that Oats has been pushing the entire game doesn't apply to his choice of lynches? He reads cake as null and yet it's cake and hopeless who he wants to discuss. Why not me, who you said was scummy for 'jumping on Koshi's policy' or those 'other dudes' that you so specifically called out? Why is LoneMeow town even though he was the most vocal about probably not meeting Koshi's 40 post policy? Hm. Also this exchange just leaves a bad taste in my mouth: On February 04 2014 12:10 Oatsmaster wrote: Hi guys, [jay] probably town Also, why does Oats avoid Balla's question here? He's not being transparent, and if he thinks Balla is town then why throw the question back at him? On February 05 2014 01:55 Oatsmaster wrote: I thought you disapproved of the asking questions before giving your own answers? In summary, Oats is calling people scummy for something that he himself is actively doing. His reads on people seem random, rather than thought out. There's no logical progression on why he thinks Hopeless is super scummy and worth lynching (it feels like bandwagoning to try to push an easy lurker lynch). There's no explanation on why LoneMeow is town to him despite the dissonance with his 'Koshi policy' case. When asked to explain himself he's extremely reluctant. He tries to deflect attention from himself. This all reads as scum to me. ##vote Oatsmaster | ||
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Jay has been contributing to the thread and pressuring people so I'm not interested in him. | ||
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There are other people that I'm looking at other than Oats but I'd rather wait for activity from more people before I do more detailed analysis. | ||
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sorry to hear that side :< I was looking forward to playing with you again. | ||
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LoneMeow Give me your top 2 scum reads and reasons, please. Alakaslam You set a trap for Jay by voting for Oats, now you've unvoted Oats. What are your thoughts on Oats at the moment? Who are your scum picks? Plenty of time has passed and there has been enough activity to form opinions on people. There are also several cases floating around so there is no reason for people not to contribute their thoughts on the cases and put down their vote. | ||
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I'd like to see more from Jonny that is not related to Koshi/LoneMeow's early posts. | ||
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On February 05 2014 07:42 Koshi wrote: If he doesn't take his vote off me he can die. And if he takes his vote off of you? Your statement doesn't really elaborate your thoughts towards Oats. | ||
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I've noted that previously as town he correctly called out hopeless for being scum in TL Mafia XLIII: Time to Die, basically for lurking and not contributing. He is doing the same here in his pressure on Hopeless. I'm still waiting on Hopeless to contribute something to the thread. Most of his posts are defense posts and fluff, he keeps promising content but hasn't delivered. ##unvote ##vote Hopeless1der At this point I also would be happy to lynch LoneMeow. He's done absolutely nothing this game. I think sidesprang's contributed more to this game in his one big post than LoneMeow has in his entire filter. | ||
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After posting my 'perfect sheep' post I went back and read the past few pages again and I actually really hate Oat's case against you. I'll look at him again in the morning as I'm really tired right now, but just my general impressions on his play from his defense post onwards gave me a gut feeling of town on him. | ||
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I went and looked at a bunch of jay's past games. As mafia, he makes excuses for himself a lot. He's very self-conscious. in the past three scum games that i found, he made sure to mention right at the beginning that he is always mislynched as town and plays up that fact as if to say, don't mislynch me. He tends to find scum faster, vote more freely and with less explanation. As town he doesn't apologize. He likes to policy talk and take it easy early on, but when he latches on to someone he ends up writing up a big case more often than not and voting his suspect. Based on this read I think that jay is town. He's a lot more easy going from the start, doesn't make excuses or seem self-conscious. He asks a lot of questions and is generally wary about calling people scum which is directly against his scum meta. His long post against LoneMeow with the vote at the end is distinctly his town style as well, I feel. | ||
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What do you think of Oats, his defense and his case against Hopeless? Is Hopeless scummy enough that you'd vote him? I'd appreciate if you place your vote somewhere. | ||
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On February 05 2014 15:04 Hopeless1der wrote: As for being a perfect sheep, yes I'm sorry I wasn't around to make the case myself. Do you want me to go quote Oats' filter 5 times and explain why he's still scum for the stuff you say he's refuted? On second thought, I think this would be quite helpful. You don't have to quote his filter 5 times but if you can explain why you think his defense did not appropriately address my case that would be good. | ||
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For example, against LoneMeow: I wanna see more posts from LoneMeow. His first post doesn't seem very alignment-indicative to me; just a throwaway comment. Response to the vote is a decent explanation. Aside from that, his only post is about how post quality is more important than number of posts. True, but overall he's made too few posts/contributions for me to read him. That puts him more scummy than not. I'm starting to think jay might be mafia. He seems to spend a lot of time defending himself, not as much looking for mafia. Still don't want to lynch him soon since he's so much more active than some people. His main case was on LoneMeow, which I didn't like that much; I really don't find much that's especially scummy about LM. Not too sure yet, this will probably be greatly affected by how jay posts from now. LoneMeow and Hopeless were lurky. Can't really tell if they're mafia from that, but they're fine lynches. Hopeless's more recent posts don't seem very substantial. Bad sign imo. Meh. Maybe, I guess. Actually, I don't really care right now. I'm fine with lynching Hopeless either way. ##Vote Hopeless1der Going to sleep. I'm also fine with lynching LM and Koshi. This whole set of comments on LoneMeow.. He wants to see more from LoneMeow, he doesn't like jay's case against LoneMeow but LoneMeow is lurking so he's ok to lynch. He just seems like he's trying to play it safe and under the radar. | ||
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On February 06 2014 01:15 Oatsmaster wrote: oh its this that made me change my mind, it was mainly a pressure vote to get him to start playing. Sorry, what? If it was mainly a pressure vote why do you spend the entire first part of the game repeating that Koshi is scum? | ||
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##vote cakemanofdoom Hopeless is making sense. cake has been wishy washy all game. He bandwagons onto Hopeless, even though he thinks Koshi is mafia. He's ok with voting LoneMeow because LM is lurking. Like, he's taking the easy path. I read through his filter and I learn absolutely nothing. Like, it seems like he's contributing but when you really look closely he's not really saying anything that progresses towards a lynch. Even his case against Koshi feels non-enthusiastic. | ||
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Thoughts on cakeman? | ||
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Now that Hopeless has posted his case what's your opinion of Hopeless and Oats? I'd like you to put your vote down somewhere. | ||
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I also saw cakeman as 'unconfident townie' in the early part of the game. I noticed that he wasn't really giving strong reads but I decided to give it some time and see how he continued to play. The fact that so much has happened but he's still going after lurkers and easy lynches is really .. hmm.. disappointing, if he's town. But as scum it's a safe play. @Balla: You played with cakeman in one of your newbies and he was scum there. What's your impression of him compared to this game? | ||
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LM hasn't done anything. He was leaning scummy on Hopeless, but now says Hopeless looks better. He doesn't seem concerned enough to really push Koshi for being scum either, and those are the only two people that he's labelled as scummy. :\ | ||
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second, you're all seriously pressuring Hopeless solely on the point that he was afk for 24 hours? He can't do anything about that now but he seems to be putting in effort now. | ||
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Hopeless does come back into the thread sheeping Oats, and I called it out. However, his case against Oats was well-written. His case against cakeman also mirrored my thoughts on cakeman that I was in the middle of writing a case on. He wasn't forced to build a case on cakeman He's not actively lurking right now. | ||
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On February 06 2014 04:11 Balla24 wrote: Hey suki, Why have you basically done the same thing that got you in trouble last game (NMM1)? You made a case on oats. He defended himself and posted a case on hopeless, you retracted and also posted a case on hopeless, he defended himself and posted a case on cakeman, and so on and so forth. Who are some other people you would be ok with seeing die besides cakeman? Hahaha.. The same thing happened last game. People started defending themselves and posting cases that I thought, 'hey, that sounds reasonable'. I just lack the confidence to play this game well I guess. Like, I just read Jonny's defense of cake and it sounds fine to me. Cake hasn't done anything particularly scummy, but his play feels like it could be scum motivated. Before Jonny posted his defense of cake I was going through who I would rather lynch between cake and Lonemeow and I came up with both of them equal. They both are just staying on the fence and don't feel like they're scumhunting. ##unvote ##vote LoneMeow A point against LoneMeow, I don't see why LoneMeow hasn't voted yet even after being asked multiple times. | ||
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I think Jay is town. I think Koshi is town. Both of these I'll be revisiting when I have time. I like Hopeless' recent play and am willing to give him more time to prove himself. I think Oats is kind of scummy because of his two bad cases/tunnels against Hopeless and Koshi. However, people keep saying this is how he plays. cake and lonemeow are the most suspicious to me because they haven't contributed. | ||
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Koshi's case against Jonny wasn't very good, however the way he admitted the case was bad and seemed embarrassed about it read town to me. I think Koshi's self-analysis was townie. I feel that he has no reason to say that he reads cake as being blue if he's scum. This is one of the points that made me really doubt my case against cake because I have a history of mistargetting blues :< His hunting scum activities have been a big case against Jonny, a vote and pressure against Hopeless, a short bit of analysis and a vote against LoneMeow. This is more than cake or LoneMeow's contributions I feel. My thoughts on LoneMeow's case against Koshi: On February 06 2014 01:01 LoneMeow wrote: Koshi The fact that he's been defending me makes me suspicious. There should be no need to softly defend other townies when they're not even under imminent threat of being mislynched. The case he made on JonnyLaw was quite bad. I find it hard to believe he'd pay so little attention to miss things like: In none of the quotes does JonnyLaw say "I can lynch LM". Almost like Koshi didn't even really read what he quoted. Verdict: leaning scum LoneMeow leaning scum on Koshi because he can't read. On February 06 2014 01:43 LoneMeow wrote: In my mind town-Koshi would be far less likely to be lazy when making a case and would re-read what he's quoting. You're right though, it's not strongly alignment indicative at all. Leaning scum because he can't read but it's not strongly alignment-indicative. On February 06 2014 03:30 LoneMeow wrote: Can we lynch Koshi? The way he's not participating in the discussion about cakemanofdoom is scummy as hell. On February 06 2014 04:17 LoneMeow wrote: You were calling me town for a long time earlier; that's all you have to say about changing your mind so drastically? How does the earlier part of my filter that gave you town vibe look when you try to look at it from this perspective? This is all you have to say about one of the top lynch candidates for today? Really? ##Vote: Koshi I don't see Koshi as having seen LoneMeow as town for the early game. He spent a lot of time explaining that LoneMeow has a low post count and was waiting on contribution. Not spending a lot of time on someone you think is town isn't a scum tell. Honestly your reasons for thinking Koshi is scum are weak, LoneMeow. | ||
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On February 06 2014 04:48 LoneMeow wrote: I'd agree with Balla24 and JonnyLaw being town, both are actively trying to find and lynch scum, but why Alakaslam? Call it a gut read? He's been contributing his reads and pushing people when he's here. That episode where he was typing on his phone and his words were totally getting jumbled and messed up also feels more like what a town would do. After that he was upfront with explaining any questions people had. It's just really hard to imagine why scum would do this. So slam is town for me. | ||
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I'll be back before the deadline for maybe some last minute reads. | ||
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On February 06 2014 05:58 LoneMeow wrote: Why did you have to make me want to lynch jaybrundage. If I accept him being scum I must be wrong about both you and Koshi being scum... LoneMeow can you explain why Hopeless and Koshi can't be scum if jay is scum. | ||
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I also think valid points are being raised against Jay and will look at him closer after the lynch. | ||
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LoneMeow votes you so you decide to take your vote off him? You just posted a giant case on him. | ||
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I said before that LoneMeow's play looks unenthusiastic, like he doesn't care about what happens. In Newbie Mafia XLVII post game he stated that he was unmotivated after rolling scum. Looking at his past town game he is much more active and scum hunty. So being unenthusiastic fits his scum meta. | ||
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On February 06 2014 06:54 cakemanofdoom wrote: what do I do. I have a stronger townread on LM than on jay. I'd prefer lynching Koshi over jay. But it doesn't look like Koshi's getting lynched, and jay claimed doc. Easy solution for me: lynch Koshi. Explain how LM has been looking more townie cuz I don't see it. | ||
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##vote jaybrundage | ||
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##vote LoneMeow Actually this. | ||
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hey wait I read Jay correctly. o_o | ||
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Damn I suck at this game. | ||
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I was going to look at you closely in N1 though just because of the pressure you were facing. | ||
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