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2pgs isn't ambitious at all. I don't see anybody on the playerlist who I can see missing this mark anyways. Maybe sidesprang, but we'll see. Everyone else I know for a fact is capable. | ||
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What are you trying to say? You don't want the requirement cause you know you can't meet it? Or Koshi is supposed to know you already will disagree with his plan? ##vote LoneMeow | ||
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On February 04 2014 08:58 jaybrundage wrote: Balla is this your first mafia game? I was browsing some of this towns old games and didn't see you. Nope. Just played LXIV which is ongoing, Normal Mini Episode 1, and the last 4 newbie games. Just search my post history for this forum and you'll find them. I'm not in the database yet. | ||
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On February 04 2014 09:41 JonnyLaw wrote: Balla's been scum in 3 outta 4 games we played. I'm forcing myself not to call him scum out of habit. Jay you've made me think I should put my games in my profile as well. Hmm...I'll do that now actually. I actually like your reasoning looking at it again. He comes in and justifies lurking. Huh? I still agree with his second post. 2/3 no? But yeah. I'd prefer he laid out what he's thinking unless he has a specific reason for doing so. His other posts are meh.. making an excuse for himself not posting already cause that's what he does, in his third post. His second post is something that everybody will agree with, town and scum so sure it's sensible but not really that interesting. I much prefer hopeless' way of thinking about it. Becoming motivated because there is an imposed limit rather than making an excuse to not meet a standard. | ||
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I was town in L, we've only played those 3 games together. On February 04 2014 09:56 suki wrote: Wait Jonny, so first you're like "And what the fuck is that vote? Lonemeow's said the most sensible thing since this game started." and now you're like I like Balla's reasoning for voting LoneMeow, "He comes in and justifies lurking." So do you think LoneMeow is being reasonable, or do you think he's making excuses? What's wrong with changing your mind after reading someone's reasoning? Why is that scummy? What do YOU think about it? | ||
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How do you not see what Jonny sees. In his first and last post he is making excuses for a low post count based on the way he plays in other games, in his second post he says something reasonable about the policy discussion. Why is that interesting? They are not contradictory. | ||
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On February 04 2014 11:48 cakemanofdoom wrote: Balla did LoneMeow's response to your vote affect your opinion of him? Meh. Like I said, 2nd post very generic, 3rd post making excuses for his post volume, which makes him seem worse. | ||
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On February 04 2014 11:54 suki wrote: cake we can discuss jay's big post and what you think of it. My thought is he uses a lot of words to essentially say nothing. Some people post more fluff than others. What are you trying to say? You're generically saying it's bad but not saying why. You really think he's not accomplishing anything with that? | ||
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On February 04 2014 12:10 suki wrote: I think you don't really care about the answers, you just want to look like you're contributing. How about you answer a few of the questions you posed yourself? There's definitely some truth to that. I'd apply this to cakeman too. @cakeman Questions are nice and all but we have to read you too so please give your opinion. You asked me about LoneMeow but didn't say anything yourself. | ||
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Sidesprang those 2 games you posted still show what JB is saying though. You lurk a lot. On February 04 2014 12:29 sidesprang wrote: People should post enough to be readable and enough to get their scumreads out. I don't belive in a set number. This is the bare minimum for a townie to be readable, and really not all that acceptable. Not a good line of thought. Get your scumreads out and scumhunt. | ||
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On February 04 2014 12:57 suki wrote: I like your post and your line of thinking thus far. The fact that you've put a lot of thought into sidesprang's meta is a point in your favour as it's less likely scum would do that. That's wrong IMO. I use meta like crazy to justify my otherwise inexplicable townreads early on when I'm scum. Meta is as much as a tool for mafia as it is for town. | ||
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On February 04 2014 13:00 suki wrote: Hi Balla~ Are you saying that cakeman is bringing new information to the thread because I don't see it. He's spent a lot of time saying how he doesn't like my opening post for not addressing Koshi's topic, when clearly I addressed it. Also, he didn't even contribute his own thoughts on the matter, even though Koshi's policy was the most "relevant thing" to talk about. I'm saying I disagree with what JB said here: On February 04 2014 12:24 jaybrundage wrote: 4. cakemanofdoom no content There is quite a bit of things in the game atm and he chooses to comment on suki saying thats nice. Pretty lackluster choice I don't find what he chose to comment on lackluster because it was new information (or perhaps the better word is PoV). I don't really agree that it was CLEAR what you said, but whatever. Not contributing his own thoughts is annoying, but I can't say its scummy. A lot had already been said about the subject. I don't fault him for not saying anything about it. | ||
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On February 04 2014 13:05 suki wrote: We were three pages into Day 1. What do you expect? I think I was successful as plenty of discussion has come up from it and we're not wasting time talking about policy anymore. Who is scum then if you were so successful? | ||
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##unvote On February 04 2014 12:10 Oatsmaster wrote: Hi guys, jay probably town [edit made by Balla to replace johnny -> jay since that's what he meant] What was the point of this? No real justification. Jay wasn't really a huge controversial point or anything so it's not like you wanted to quickly get in your opinion before the thread derailed even further or he was lynched or something. | ||
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On February 04 2014 14:48 Oatsmaster wrote: Suki was pushing jay. Its a read that could be discuss. Why do you disagree? It's not about the read... maybe I agree with it maybe I don't. The whole point is a read is useless without elaboration and reasoning. Also, posting a town read at that point makes no sense. You basically defended jaybrundage for no reason. On February 04 2014 14:57 Alakaslam wrote: Of course my phone is glitch ing so I have to try and type this out-_- No actually he didn't I learned nothing from it You learning nothing does not mean he didn't accomplish anything. Are you saying you learned nothing from the response to it too? Cause that's straight BS. | ||
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On February 04 2014 15:08 Oatsmaster wrote: I hard defended jay so we didnt have to waste time being all wishy washy about him. Balla, who is scum? You defending jay the way you did doesn't accomplish that at all... you think just cause 1 person says he's town with no reasoning will lead to us to stop trying to figure out his alignment? That's stupid. | ||
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On February 04 2014 15:18 Alakaslam wrote: I made this connectio?n I wholeheartedly agree what is up with that I declare Koshi town nobody pressure him or mess with them or anything or whatever because I defended him real hard Dude I don't know what the fuck you are saying half the time you post. Please read what you post. Where did you defend Koshi? | ||
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On February 04 2014 15:32 Oatsmaster wrote: Koshi scum for suggesting a really bad policy about post counts and nothing else. It feels like bait for scum to jump on but there is no followup. Can you explain what you mean by the red please? | ||
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On February 04 2014 15:47 Oatsmaster wrote: Its so bad, so if its town koshi, I assume he doesnt mean it seriously and has some reason for posting it. But no signs of that so far. Can you explain a bit more? 1. How does Koshi posting something "bad" make it bait for scum to jump on? Basically: what will scum do with it? 2. Did anybody jump on it? 3. Was this your first thought when you read it? On Koshi creating "shitposting": Policy discussion isn't shitposting, it forces people to take responsibility for what they say. If they don't follow through, then we can figure out what's up. I said I would easily be able to hit the benchmark, cool, if I dont reach anywhere close to that then WTF? These kind of things are good, not bad. Hopeless did a similar thing to me, saying he's motivated by it, but he bailed. On February 05 2014 00:38 JonnyLaw wrote: You're making the same point I made. You posted something stupid that you admittedly don't want to follow through with in the end. If we take away everyone talking about your first post then maybe we'd have better content instead of discussion about post counts. Did the discussion about that post tell you where the scum are at in this game Koshi? I don't think that discussion will ever point out scum. Why even go there when you don't want to follow through anyway? I'm trying to understand your motives here. If you're going to call one opening bad, then you should provide a counterpoint. You never did this. You seemed very eager to get past all the policy talk but never really provided any exit strategies until someone else moved in another direction. | ||
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On February 05 2014 01:03 Oatsmaster wrote: how everyone doesnt really want to find scum lol. I dunno, nothing really stood out. I would really like to discuss cakemanofdoom and hopeless though, what are your thoughts on them? This isn't really directed at only you, but i'm quoting this since it's an example. If you want to discuss a certain topic then just go at it, no reason to ask someone else to start the conversation for you. You obviously see something, so what it is? Then ask others what they think, whether they agree/disagree and why. Unless you have a specific reason to not reveal your hand yet. | ||
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On February 04 2014 20:17 LoneMeow wrote: Even though he unvoted without any new input from me and without providing pretty much any reason at all? Stuff like this is similar to above. Though here it kind of seems like LoneMeow was expecting an answer and didn't get it, and he wants to call me scum for it without calling me scum. | ||
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On February 05 2014 01:17 LoneMeow wrote: Why did you unvote me at that point? Also, who do you think is scum? Are you saying my vote was correct in the first place, seems weird that you're calling me out for unvoting. Anyways, 2 reasons: 1. I believe it's more likely for scum to have agreed with Koshi then to disagree with him straight up like you did. 2. The conversation about my vote had already been hashed out, no reason to keep it there. Moving my vote isn't that interesting is it? I could still have my vote on you and it wouldn't really change anything. On February 05 2014 01:17 Oatsmaster wrote: Balla, I want to see stuff that is not influenced by my conclusions. What do you think about Cake and hopeless? Sure but is that question really something that can be influenced by what you say. I still don't know what your conclusions are. Like I don't even really know what you're trying to get at. If you have new information then bring it forward instead of trying to get us to guess at what you see. - I've already said stuff about cake, he's ok atm. I like how he tried to bring new information to the thread. - Hopeless has jack shit, possible scum. | ||
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Sorry dude. Looks more like you did the opposite. You asked an open-ended question because you didn't really see anything yourself, and then you said exactly what the people you asked said. | ||
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Am I leaning town or scum? Same for LM. | ||
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On February 04 2014 15:32 Oatsmaster wrote: Koshi scum for suggesting a really bad policy about post counts and nothing else. It feels like bait for scum to jump on but there is no followup. I was asking him about this because it's a super weird thing to think about as town. I didn't think that, if others did let me know. The JB town read as your first post was pretty random. Random town reads is generally scummy as they are easier to give than scum reads. Sure he semi-explained it, but "pushing the thread forward" isn't exactly the best reason to townread someone and try to stifle discussion with that. Then this cakeman/hopeless question business. It was revealed that Oats thought/thinks LM and I are town. It was also revealed that he didn't really see anything in either of the two that was interesting. Super empty fake participation question in that case. ##vote Oatsmaster | ||
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On February 05 2014 02:38 Alakaslam wrote: pffft. you all crappin on my styles ##unvote ##Vote: Oatsmaster His flip may provide sufficient information in and of itself. If he is town, we take his posting to this point more seriously. Otherwise, oh happy day! He is not particularly townie so there should be no problem with this. ??? Do you think this is IML or something? This vote is shit. You just said you don't try to read Oatsmaster yet now you are voting him literally minutes after you said that. For INFORMATION of all things. What happened to your vote on LoneMeow? You didn't justify that at all yet and now you are dropping it? Doesn't make sense. | ||
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On February 05 2014 02:45 Alakaslam wrote: Don't worry so much. All will be clear in due time. Clarify "IML" Instant Majority Lynch (IML) No, not all will be clear in due time. Explain yourself. | ||
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On February 05 2014 03:40 cakemanofdoom wrote: I don't have that much of a problem with oats right now. I get his case on Koshi, I also thought fairly early on that Koshi posted a random policy to generate discussion, and that the policy was easy to disagree with because that's how you get discussion past unanimous agreement. Koshi did post some analysis on people's reactions though, not sure why oats kept going on him for not making use of the discussion he generated. + Show Spoiler + On February 04 2014 23:37 Koshi wrote: That's not how it works, it's not because what people say is not interesting at that moment that if won't be interesting at all anymore. 1) LM said he was not going to vote for something just based on filter size but on filter content. This shows future commitment to the game. This is a town answer. But in 24 hours we can also use this to pressure him to give reads, or at least his town answer looks bad when he doesn't follow up. But I trust he will. 2) Balla same story. Instantly said yay let's do this and was worried about other people low content spam and not himself. Good + follow up ensured. 3) Jonny was angry and is still angry. There is no reason for that at all and I put him scummy. I also read his post better and found previously quoted post that does not make sense at all. ↨ 4) Hopeless said something and then fucked off. This is scummy and it is not my fault that he did this. If we lynch somebody we lynch Hopeless. 5) Suki her post was actually a wtf moment. The underlined part of previous sentence was my confusion. I think the rest of the people made similar comments but that's what my post generated. But nothing on it's own was scummy. Also I wasn't in let's solve this game right now mode yesterday right before bed. Then again, Koshi also declared that he was pretty much gonna do nothing for a while and let us talk, which kinda annoys me. I'd like him talking with us. So basically, I don't mind oats's aggression towards Koshi. I personally just want Koshi to stop that lurking thing. Oats having a townread on LM doesn't make sense to me, but the fact that he's been here and giving opinions (with justifications sometimes) makes him look a bit better than people who are just gone. Like sidesprang. Or hopeless. Where are they? Oh yeah, to anyone wondering about my post on LM, that was in response to suki asking me what I thought about him. And LM's posts since then make him look rather worse among lurky people, What's with this blatant contradiction, which is it? | ||
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1. On February 05 2014 02:36 Balla24 wrote: Oatsmaster might be scum. I was asking him about this because it's a super weird thing to think about as town. I didn't think that, if others did let me know. 2. On February 05 2014 02:36 Balla24 wrote: The JB town read as your first post was pretty random. Random town reads is generally scummy as they are easier to give than scum reads. Sure he semi-explained it, but "pushing the thread forward" isn't exactly the best reason to townread someone and try to stifle discussion with that. 3. On February 05 2014 02:36 Balla24 wrote: Then this cakeman/hopeless question business. It was revealed that Oats thought/thinks LM and I are town. It was also revealed that he didn't really see anything in either of the two that was interesting. Super empty fake participation question in that case. ##vote Oatsmaster | ||
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On February 05 2014 05:31 LoneMeow wrote: Please point out where Koshi is misrepresenting and/or ignoring context. + Show Spoiler + On February 05 2014 04:40 Koshi wrote: The problem I have with Oats right now is that his vote is still on me even though he just had 8 hours the chance to talk to me and in that time he went from calling my first post utter crap to everything is utter crap except my first post... I prefer to lynch Jonny atm. Nothing he says connects to each other. He starts saying he wants to lynch all lurkers multiple times and that my "Policy" was a good conversation starter. Somewhere Jonny must have read that I was actually serious about going to actually count the number of posts and then lynch somebody for it while I said that I wasn't going to do that. So normally Jonny shouldn't be going on about it then? I don't see anywhere that Jonny said Koshi's policy was a good conversation starter. He says it was "okay", but overall you can tell from the tone of his posts that he would have rather been talking about something else. Which is the opposite of what Koshi says "good conversation starter" IMO. Nor do I get the impression that Koshi gets from the second post. It just seems like Jonny wanted to make the point that the 40 posts limit was arbitrary and wants to move on. This indicates that he knows you're not seriously going to do that. On February 05 2014 04:40 Koshi wrote: Why is Jonny being frustrated with me about the fact that all the content is being shit content? I type in the start of the game "guys let's be nice and post a lot" and the guy replies with 'Fuck being nice because people are lazy and lynch all lurkers" but then keeps going on and on about "there is no content" . THERE IS ALWAYS CONTENT. Sure I see Jonny blaming Koshi for other people's posts weird. But the bolded/underlined isn't what he said at all. "Fuck being nice" and "people are lazy" and "lynch lurkers" all are separate thoughts. Then in this: + Show Spoiler + On February 05 2014 04:40 Koshi wrote: Then there is Jonny and his talk about LM: Just look at the progression: "How do you dare to vote LM, he said the most sensible thing in this thread" "LM his second post was really good, I didn't consider the other ones" "LM can be lynched" "LM posted like shit early game, but it really was Koshi his fault" It literally goes from this guy posted incredible pro town towards everything this guy posted was shit. And there is a post right after Jonny said "I can lynch LM" where Jonny give his scummy list and I am on top of the scummy list and not LM. This is the post that Jonny found protown at first but then said it was scummy btw: + Show Spoiler + On February 04 2014 07:40 LoneMeow wrote: Well, for starters I don't quite agree with your "minimum post count" thing. I'll support a lurker lynch if it's necessary, but based on amount of content, not number of posts. Which on itself is indeed a pro-town post. The problem just lied that LM right after this post said that he was going to do hardcore lurking and the posts didn't add up... Which Jonny still doesn't understand. And somebody needs to figure out what Jonny means with the "first post" and the "second post" etc, because I am pretty sure it doesn't add up as well. You miss the post where I explain why I didn't like LM's first post and that caused Jonny to relook at it, which you can see here: On February 04 2014 09:41 JonnyLaw wrote: I actually like your reasoning looking at it again. He comes in and justifies lurking. Huh? I still agree with his second post. And he exaggerates things Jonny says. "from this guy posted incredible pro town towards everything this guy posted was shit". I mean come on. Then "This is the post that Jonny found protown at first but then said it was scummy btw": he never said it was scummy???? He said it was sensible, then that he still agrees with it. When does he say it's scummy? Also how can you not tell what he means with first post, second post etc... it was pretty obvious since at that point in time, lonemeow had 3 posts only and that's what we were discussing. Then the waffling thing that you guys already pointed out. There's a lot in here that is exaggerated or misconstrued, in my opinion. So I think the case is no good. The only point that stands is that Jonny is calling Koshi out for "This allowed LM and other LM like people to pop in, say nothing and fuck off out of here acting as though they participated in the game." which is weird, but I would like clarification on why Koshi caused that from Jonny. | ||
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On February 05 2014 07:13 Koshi wrote: About which post was this and can you clarify this for me. In response to this: On February 04 2014 09:31 JonnyLaw wrote: Oh you're back. Why did you vote lm so quickly? 2 posts up. Do you still need clarification now that you know the context? If so, what's confusing about it? | ||
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I find this really hard to believe that you 1. had no idea what I was voting about. 2. thought my vote was good, without knowing what i was voting about 3. forgot that you basically said the same thing I did when he posted that, but I voted for it On February 04 2014 07:38 Koshi wrote: Also. Mr. Stray Kitten. Just say what you think whenever you think it. Why do you think I'm going ham? I've barely discussed it. I voted for it, provided my reasoning, unvoted when discussion died down and haven't talked about it since. Seriously? | ||
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On February 05 2014 07:55 Koshi wrote: My thoughts about Oats are that he is being dumb because I am town and he should know that by now, if he doesn't he is scum. He can defend against your cases when he is back. My read on him solely rests on him saying sensible things between the contradictions. He isn't doing that. If Oats is town, why the hell would he know you are town by now? If Oats is scum, he would obviously know you are town if you are town... This doesn't really make sense. What's the missing information here (history I guess?)? | ||
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But yes, so far town/scum look the same for him from what i've seen. BRB cooking dinner. | ||
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On February 05 2014 11:10 JonnyLaw wrote: That's fine. I want to talk about Jay. He's actually here. Both times I question him about something he comes in with a town-like response to the questions. Jay refuses to do that until there's pressure on him though. How is this town behavior? Meh. I wouldn't say he's refusing to do it. It's ok to wait sometimes. I was choosing to wait a bit longer to post what he posted about LoneMeow, which I'm sure he was doing too until you asked him to do something. I'm very biased though, cause he's basically my clone at this point. | ||
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I don't think we're going to get anywhere talking between us 3 about Jay. Unless you have some new information. | ||
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On February 05 2014 11:31 jaybrundage wrote: @Balla I don't mind I'm glad Jonny is taking interest in our towns fate I don't mind either. I just wish he would comment on other things too, because I think you're both town atm and townies discussing themselves with each other doesn't help that much. Much better to hear thoughts on other people from each other and come up with solutions to the game. I'm glad he's pressuring you though, that's good. Just don't want this to turn into a battle between you two without any results on other fronts. Na'mean? | ||
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On February 05 2014 11:33 JonnyLaw wrote: What do you think of Oats? Will you lynch hopeless if he's still lurking at vote time? I'd lynch hopeless if we can't lynch lonemeow or oats. Oats hasn't done anything to change my mind since the two cases on him from me and suki. I did like what he said in response to suki's case, but he ignored what I said (understandable considering we discussed it all before I posted my vote) and did nothing beyond defend himself from suki. I hope we see more from hopeless (pun unintended ROFL). If he continues at THIS rate then I'd lynch him over lonemeow or oats, but if he shows more, then we will see whether that holds true or not. What do YOU think? You're doing the same thing I was annoyed with Oatsmaster and Lonemeow about. | ||
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On February 05 2014 11:46 JonnyLaw wrote: I've asked Jay the same question five times without getting an answer. I won't lynch Oats today. I read two of his town games and played scum with him in lolpyp. He seems interested enough in this game and it's not different than his normal town play. He could be scum but don't think he's the best d1 lynch. I've said lynch lurkers since day1. Kill hopeless if he doesn't play. I'm trying to have a conversation and flesh out how you two sit. You're kinda just agreeing with Jay. That's why I asked specific questions. On Oats: I read his games too. He plays like this always, town or scum. Didn't you come to this conclusion too? On February 05 2014 09:07 JonnyLaw wrote: Anyway, that was fruitless. The filters could be from the same game. Oats put a little more effort into the normal game but it was a much larger and faster game. I'm going to reread the thread. I'm missing something obvious and the game's still short. That's fine that you didn't want to give your opinion since you asked Jay plenty of times and he still hasn't really elaborated on anything. I guess i'm just a little impatient though ^_^ | ||
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On February 05 2014 11:49 jaybrundage wrote: Yes I thought suki was scummy before. Her thing about not calling Jonny scum but interesting or what ever word she used did bother me. She just seemed to have no point to your posts. However with her case on Oats it showed that she wasn't just trying to appear to be posting. She actually was analyzing the game and looking for scum. So my read turned on her. Is it possible she's scum that noticed she was getting heat and decided to post a case? Sure possible. But I think the most likely possibility at this point is town. I don't remember Oats too well in my previous games. He was never someone I really suspected. He can be hard to draw a bead on sometimes. Not a huge poster mostly short clip comments. I even had to go back and look briefly at the LoL PYP game. I think the case made good points I hadn't noticed before. Oats was not on my lynch list before Suki posted her case. And she made a good enough case for me to consider lynching him. Also I felt the reason to make my own case because I want to contribute to the town. I didn't plan to just sheep Suki's read and just say yea I like all this Ill join. Because I wanted to post my own analysis I got's me an ego you know. Also by posting other scummy people we can choose as a town who we want to go for based on the information we have. I'm of the opinion that Oats refuted suki's case pretty good. You disagree? There are other points brought up against Oats that I don't think he answered adequately, but suki's main points in her case I wouldn't say is the reason I would lynch him. | ||
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On February 05 2014 11:55 Oatsmaster wrote: Suki's case was bad though, it all hinged on the point that I thought objecting to koshi's policy was scummy. Which I never said. All I said was that it was what I thought koshi was doing if he was town. Hopeless, why are you playing scummily different from the past 2-3 games? Can you please post what you are referring to. Quote some stuff from his entrances in this game and the other games. Compare and contrast for us please. It's annoying that you think we will go find it (not saying I won't but I can't say the same for everybody else). I already asked you to do it. If it's good information then bring it forward, or are you just BSing? | ||
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On February 05 2014 11:59 JonnyLaw wrote: Balla I came to the exact same conclusion. He's hard to read. This is interesting though. So like why are you justifying not wanting to lynch him because of that "conclusion" though? On February 05 2014 11:59 JonnyLaw wrote: Balla I came to the exact same conclusion. He's hard to read. This is interesting though. Isn't this a direct contradiction to what Oats thinks of Koshi? No because he is answering my question that is assuming Koshi is town creating a "bait". He said this in response to suki's post here: + Show Spoiler + | ||
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On February 05 2014 12:08 JonnyLaw wrote: No, that conclusion is the only reason I'd lynch him. Generally this game I've agreed with Oats though. I think there are better d1 candidates. I must be misreading or something? You said the exact opposite here: On February 05 2014 11:46 JonnyLaw wrote: I won't lynch Oats today. I read two of his town games and played scum with him in lolpyp. He seems interested enough in this game and it's not different than his normal town play. He could be scum but don't think he's the best d1 lynch. | ||
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On February 05 2014 12:12 JonnyLaw wrote: Exactly what I said. I don't want to lynch him today. That post I quoted is the only reason I'd want to lynch him in general at this point. Never said today. It's there for future reference and conversation. So you don't agree with my conclusion and his defense vs suki that I posted that is relevant to that quote? Why? | ||
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On February 05 2014 12:22 JonnyLaw wrote: The rest of it seems like normal Oats posts. Oats is doing whatever he wants. Oats seems more comfortable. Jay feels like he's buying town cred. Jay's leading the town over a cliff. I'm gonna go reread some filters. So you completely disagree with his LoneMeow case then? | ||
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On February 05 2014 12:03 Oatsmaster wrote: Im on my phone. What annoys me is that you apparently dont care about hopeless's alignment. You could check on hopeless' games and then make a decision and see what I say. But no, you want to be spoonfed anything. Do you think hopeless is particularly town? If not, why are you indirectly defending him? Even if you're on your phone you can post what you see without posting quotes. I want to see what you see dude, what's so hard to understand about that? I don't want to have to guess what you see. If you say something is scummy then you must provide what you think is scummy instead of forcing us to guess. What's the point of hiding it? Is it straight up the fact that he is lurking as an entry in comparison to high volume post entry? Is it the fact that he actually posts some substance in the others (reads in SMB, mayor candidacy in LXIV.1)? Is it the fact that he is more trolly? What is it? | ||
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See here: On February 05 2014 11:40 Balla24 wrote: I'd lynch hopeless if we can't lynch lonemeow or oats. Oats hasn't done anything to change my mind since the two cases on him from me and suki. I did like what he said in response to suki's case, but he ignored what I said (understandable considering we discussed it all before I posted my vote) and did nothing beyond defend himself from suki. I hope we see more from hopeless (pun unintended ROFL). If he continues at THIS rate then I'd lynch him over lonemeow or oats, but if he shows more, then we will see whether that holds true or not. What do YOU think? You're doing the same thing I was annoyed with Oatsmaster and Lonemeow about. His entry meta doesn't make him scum to me. It's significantly different, but from the past 3 games he's played all his entries have each been significantly different from each other don't you agree? | ||
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On February 05 2014 13:20 Oatsmaster wrote: yeah so no, LXIV and SMB he entered mostly the same way, really lighthearted and jokey posts. Here, he is super serious from the get go with a snarky sarcastic comment at koshi's policy. And he started questioning people and shit, here it looks like he is trying to avoid attention. Its SOOO DIFFERENT. Thank you! Finally. It is different. I said that. I don't agree that he isn't light-hearted with the sarcastic comment to koshi though, I think that's pretty lighthearted. From what I can, the main difference is his activity. I agree with that. Maybe trying to avoid attention, maybe not. I see him dissapear and lurk a bit from LXIV, and from both of his scum games, but not in SMB. Have you looked at any scum games? http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=349066&user=hopeless1der http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=378069&user=Hopeless1der These were a long time ago, but still. I'd definitely agree that from meta he looks scummy. In those 2 games he briefly talks about policy like here, then nitpicks someone then dissapears. Here he doesn't really nitpick but dissapears. There's definitely some resemblance... | ||
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Self-meta analysis is useless, he's right. I'd prefer he elaborated on his reads. | ||
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There are no super obvious townies right now. There are a LOT of question marks. I was feeling obvious town for jay, but he didn't really get there from what I was expecting. The scum are probably: Hopeless1der, Lonemeow Hopeless is just lurking. He clearly isn't motivated by the early policy talk like he said he was. He isn't scumhunting. He isn't doing anything. This post stands out to me as similar to his scum games: On February 04 2014 09:11 Hopeless1der wrote: Jay, let me slippery slope this argument. Suppose I invoke a policy that "I will vote the player with the smallest filter at 30 minutes to deadline". How do you avoid drawing my vote? By spamming as much as possible. How do you conclude that I'm "almost advocating to let people lurk"? I literally ask that question as a rhetorical because its implied that lurking is bad. Is this real life right now? + Show Spoiler [Scumgames] + From acme: On November 01 2012 07:46 Hopeless1der wrote: In case people feel the need to argue with prplhz on miller claims: 100% the right course of action. If you're OP does not contain a miller claim in it, I'll policy lynch you if you claim it later on. (Catching-up to thread post leeway if you claim in your 2nd or 3rd post that's fine) On November 01 2012 08:06 Hopeless1der wrote: Yeah, being facetious is awesome. Okay, prplhz I agree with the concept of your idea, but what would you propose we do to get the game actually started. At some point we end up accusing lurkers or calling something/someone stupid if no one pulls a stupid case out of their ass. Or else, it'll be VERY weak reads based on making the littlest out to be scummy. Would that be okay with you? On November 01 2012 09:52 Hopeless1der wrote: Well, it's going to end up keeping them alive through the nights, at least from NK's. Claiming/fakeclaiming miller is confirming that you will return red if you are investigated, so it saves the DT's a target to check in that sense. Miller's are likely to end up vigged or lynch just before lylo, because we can't take the risk at that point, but it could also compel them to scum-hunt a bit harder if people are always nursing suspicions about a fakeclaim. The biggest thing is that if any mafia want to fakeclaim miller, they have to do it NOW. It cannot be in response to a DT check or if you're about to be lynched (and to be honest, I wouldn't believe an "omg i'm about to be lynched" miller claim anyways). I guess that could be useful? It's at least something to go by to help solidify a read. However... Do scum get fake/safeclaims? Mason Claims - I think are a bad idea. Mason's get stronger as the game goes on. I'd rather they write last wills of some sort to confirm each other in case on dies/is about to be lynched, and their pm logs are going to be proof enough in most cases. Miller Claims - I think are a good idea. From Newbie XX: On July 05 2012 07:22 Hopeless1der wrote: What?...I...Its right there..with the underlined.. - There really isn't a situation you want to fakeclaim as a townie - Obviously there are situations where you might want to claim as blue Is that not a contradiction? or did you mean actually claim as blue, not fakeclaim, because that's literally the only way those two statements don't conflict with one another. Mackin give the poor guy a chance, he's just a little excited I think. I just wanted to give him a heads up so he checks his posts more carefully, that way we can narrow down our scum lists earlier rather than later. + Show Spoiler [Town games] + Extractor Trick On January 04 2014 03:05 Hopeless1der wrote: 1a2a3a? On January 04 2014 07:15 Hopeless1der wrote: 20524821 mod10 is 1. I should have defined player 10 as 0 but that should be self-evident. 1) kushm4sta (filter) 2) alakaslam (filter) 3) Gumshoe (filter) 4) Hopeless1der (filter) 5) Raynpelikoneet (filter) 6) coagulation (filter) 7) [UoN]Sentinel (filter) 8) Yamato77 (filter) 9) thrawn2112 (filter) 10) Mr. Cheesecake (filter) Sorry kush, nothing personal. BlazingHand's rules and all ##Vote: kushm4sta (p.s. vote thread incase anyone misses it) http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=439579#2 SMB On January 16 2014 09:59 Hopeless1der wrote: sn0man is like a cloud. or a snowman. white and fluffy. On January 16 2014 10:08 Hopeless1der wrote: yes kush. thank you for teaching me. so good. you clearly have towns best interest at heart. On January 16 2014 10:10 Hopeless1der wrote: considering he had the option to leave it alone and tell his scumbuddies they can't fakeclaim this explanation makes the most sense. On January 16 2014 12:14 Hopeless1der wrote: 1) vote your target 2) actually call them scum 3) explain why they are scum sn0 get you head out your ass before its removed permanently. LXIV On January 11 2014 09:05 Hopeless1der wrote: Bow before hopeless1der, leader of towns, gatherer of reads, destroyer of scum. Feed me your prowess in the game of mafia. Show me your skill. Reveal your alignment to me that I might save you from the putrid grip of scum. Vote me as your mayor and all shall be revealed. On January 11 2014 09:18 Hopeless1der wrote: P.S. I'm moderately afk / phoneposting. Still make nr mayor kthx. @BH that's cool and all, but we got rayn, BC., VE, Marv, yamato, and me who are all going to try to get mayor. maybe a couple more people too. Lynching kush isn't going to cut it. I'd like to appeal to any vig's to not go hero mode and just do what's best for town by clearing out lurkers for us. If you want someone killed for being scummy there's a lynch for that. On January 11 2014 09:41 Hopeless1der wrote: BH I can totally read kush. Also you hosted extractor trick. Wtf? Thrawn I thought we were cool bro what gives?why you gotta lynch me? In his scum games he seems content to discuss policy, whereas in his town games he seems to be uninterested in it and want to move past it. I can definitely see how Oats would say he is more lighthearted compared to this game. He says his entrances to the last games were different because he wasn't here at daypost but he was here not long after daypost so I don't see how this makes a difference. He basically says self-meta analysis is stupid, but then does it anyways, and calls himself scum with it by saying he lurks a lot as scum which is exactly what he's doing . LoneMeow doesn't seem interested in this game in the slightest. He's very self-absorbed and doesn't seem interested in finding out people's alignments. He's just sitting back, asking seemingly useless questions. He seems like he wants to call me scum, but never does, and never calls anyone else scum. He justified his lurking by saying he lurks a lot as either alignment. Here's where he asks a question to Koshi, expecting an answer one way and not getting it: On February 04 2014 20:17 LoneMeow wrote: Even though he unvoted without any new input from me and without providing pretty much any reason at all? There's other empty questions like this: On February 04 2014 19:44 LoneMeow wrote: Does this make JonnyLaw scum or just town using broken logic? Where he never elaborates on what he thinks. None of the stuff in his filter is really scum hunting, it's just generic easy questions that don't have pretty simple, easily explainable answers. He's basically only interested in other people's reads, I have no idea what his reads are besides the implication that he thinks i'm scum. These people could die, i'd be fine with that: Koshi, Oats, Cakeman Koshi's play so far is pretty un-inspired. Either he is misreading a lot of the thread or purposefully misrepresenting what people are saying. The latter indicates scum and the former null, but the former seems to be what he is showing for two reason: (1) He admitted that his case on Jonny wasn't good which shows that he is self-concious about what he is posting and (2) The whole argument where he realized my vote on LoneMeow was for a different post than he originally thought shows that he wasn't reading carefully in the first place. What oatsmaster and jonny brought up about him though is quite true, why did you suggest the policy thing in the first place if you aren't going to follow up on it or conclude anything from the discussion around it? Interested to hear more from him. Oatsmaster was scummy, but he did bring new information to the thread on Hopeless and seemed interested in taking part of the jonny vs jaybrundage argument and bring new information there when necessary. Also, like Jonny and I said. It's totally within his bounds to play like this as both alignments by looking at his meta, so he's pretty null now. He'd be my 3rd lynch priority. Cakeman is lurking. He seems to post very little when he is not addressed directly. Suki also pointed out earlier how he claimed "koshi's policy" was the most relevant thing in the thread without giving his opinion on it. I thought that was normal at first, but later on he comes out and says he wants Koshi to drop his lurker thing? Why is he worried about that? Koshi wasn't even pushing it at all really and even dropped it completely at that point. I'd like some clarification there. I also don't like how he addresses half a case seemingly without even reading the other half of it and not doing so until prodded for more information. Jonnylaw is town so far. So is Suki and Jaybrundage Jonnylaw is standard jonnylaw. Aggressive. Abrasive. Bringing new information to the thread. Attacking fringe targets that nobody else is looking at. Thinking the thread revolves around him when he is there. Declaring me as the most readable of all the players in the game. Stubborn. All of this is classic jonnylaw. Even though I don't like his case on JB at all and how he continues to vote on it. It all fits with what I know of his town game. I don't know enough about his scumgame so he could be totally playing me. Suki and jaybrundage are constantly thinking the same thing as me. Suki is trying to bring new information to the thread whenever she can and also committing to things she says. Jaybrundage is actively trying to get people not to lurk so that they are readable. It seems like he will be a great asset moving forward, and if he's not then I will be surprised. Both are pushing pro-town stuff. 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On February 05 2014 03:40 cakemanofdoom wrote: I don't have that much of a problem with oats right now. I get his case on Koshi, I also thought fairly early on that Koshi posted a random policy to generate discussion, and that the policy was easy to disagree with because that's how you get discussion past unanimous agreement. Koshi did post some analysis on people's reactions though, not sure why oats kept going on him for not making use of the discussion he generated. + Show Spoiler + On February 04 2014 23:37 Koshi wrote: That's not how it works, it's not because what people say is not interesting at that moment that if won't be interesting at all anymore. 1) LM said he was not going to vote for something just based on filter size but on filter content. This shows future commitment to the game. This is a town answer. But in 24 hours we can also use this to pressure him to give reads, or at least his town answer looks bad when he doesn't follow up. But I trust he will. 2) Balla same story. Instantly said yay let's do this and was worried about other people low content spam and not himself. Good + follow up ensured. 3) Jonny was angry and is still angry. There is no reason for that at all and I put him scummy. I also read his post better and found previously quoted post that does not make sense at all. ↨ 4) Hopeless said something and then fucked off. This is scummy and it is not my fault that he did this. If we lynch somebody we lynch Hopeless. 5) Suki her post was actually a wtf moment. The underlined part of previous sentence was my confusion. I think the rest of the people made similar comments but that's what my post generated. But nothing on it's own was scummy. Also I wasn't in let's solve this game right now mode yesterday right before bed. Then again, Koshi also declared that he was pretty much gonna do nothing for a while and let us talk, which kinda annoys me. I'd like him talking with us. So basically, I don't mind oats's aggression towards Koshi. I personally just want Koshi to stop that lurking thing. Oats having a townread on LM doesn't make sense to me, but the fact that he's been here and giving opinions (with justifications sometimes) makes him look a bit better than people who are just gone. Like sidesprang. Or hopeless. Where are they? Oh yeah, to anyone wondering about my post on LM, that was in response to suki asking me what I thought about him. And LM's posts since then make him look rather worse among lurky people, | ||
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On February 06 2014 01:01 LoneMeow wrote: Koshi The case he made on JonnyLaw was quite bad. I find it hard to believe he'd pay so little attention to miss things like: In none of the quotes does JonnyLaw say "I can lynch LM". Almost like Koshi didn't even really read what he quoted. Verdict: leaning scum What was the point of this question if you agreed with me: On February 05 2014 05:31 LoneMeow wrote: Please point out where Koshi is misrepresenting and/or ignoring context. It literally says "i brb", yet you post a meaningless question when it clearly says I will elaborate. Then your conclusion is, yes he is misrepresenting stuff. "Please point out where Koshi is misrepresenting and/or ignoring context." is only useful if you disagree and aren't finding anything yourself, yet now you're agreeing. Does him not reading what he's saying mean he's scum? I already said what I think about it, and I disagree that it makes him scum, more null. Why does him mis-reading mean he's scum? | ||
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On February 06 2014 01:46 suki wrote: @Jay and Oats I also saw cakeman as 'unconfident townie' in the early part of the game. I noticed that he wasn't really giving strong reads but I decided to give it some time and see how he continued to play. The fact that so much has happened but he's still going after lurkers and easy lynches is really .. hmm.. disappointing, if he's town. But as scum it's a safe play. @Balla: You played with cakeman in one of your newbies and he was scum there. What's your impression of him compared to this game? He was town... I don't really remember that much so looking back on it http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=433102&user=cakemanofdoom Looks pretty similar. Less waffling then here but nothing stands out to me as that different. | ||
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On February 06 2014 01:48 jaybrundage wrote: Does anyone else think that Hopeless being gone for twenty four hours. Coming back and getting on the popular sentiment of oats being scum and the two cases on him. While also OMGUS'ing Oats is a bit suspicious? It seems like he made was just pushing Oats back cause he needed to come back in the thread with something. After calling Oats scummy. He made up his own case so he wouldn't be blatantly sheeping. Absolutely. Hopeless being gone for 24hrs is important to me. In his other games he is literally here for hours on end posting oneliner responses, questions, etc. here he was here, posting responses, then he just bailed out. | ||
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On February 05 2014 14:53 Hopeless1der wrote: ##Vote: Oatsmaster I agree with the cases from suki and balla. I dislike the way that he has been trying to push my lynch and I think it is scummy, using poor reasoning and was attempting to use diversion tactics to avoid scrutiny/explaining himself but Balla forced him to follow through. I read LoneMeow as town right now. I'm going to wait to explain this so he gets a chance to defend himself without interference. @Cakeman who do you think is scum and why? You have spent more time defending townreads than searching out scum. Can we change that? On February 06 2014 01:19 Hopeless1der wrote: I'm still thinking you Oats...Koshi gets upset and says you should be reading him as town by now, so you proceed to read him as town. Seems legit. I'm willing to lynch cakeman, wont lynch LoneMeow*. *Unless I have to in order to save myself Then this. Could you elaborate on 1) Why you think he's town 2) Why you would lynch him to save yourself if you think he's town? | ||
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On February 06 2014 03:03 Hopeless1der wrote: He's fully aware of the fact that he looks bad and is able to compare his own status with my own. I feel like he'd have taken a shot at getting me lynched when he was asking jay about why himself and not me. He's been in a similar state to me where a majority of the thread is offhandedly commenting that "he's bad, I could lynch him for being useless" (referring to both me and LM). However there was never a real push to get him lynched (except Jay and the more recent developments) whereas there has been one on me. Again, why not just take the "easy" way out? He still hasnt dropped a vote after repeated requests, despite having 2-3 viable targets to say "lets get this guy". The reasoning for debating cakeman's scumminess or why koshi's case on JonnyLaw is flawed looks good to me. He doesn't beat around the bush so I end up with a good understanding of what he's thinking. His questions are pointed and aim to get more information into the thread. The worst thing about him is that he rarely follows up with his questions, but koshi is dead on when he mentions LXIII. Pre-edit to your amended question 1) answered above 2) I know I'm town duh. Silly question. No it's not a silly question. If you get lynched it's your own damn fault, you don't lynch someone you think is town because of it, you push someone you think is scummy and try to convince that way. I can show you multiple places where he is beating around the bush: + Show Spoiler + On February 04 2014 20:17 LoneMeow wrote: Even though he unvoted without any new input from me and without providing pretty much any reason at all? (Here he could have just said what he thought from the get go, and then he still doesn't say his conclusion afterwards) On February 05 2014 01:10 LoneMeow wrote: Hopeless1der has not produced anything that I find directly useful for deducing his alignment. Which, in itself, could become alignment indicative. cakemanofdoom seems to post pretty freely which makes me lean town on him, but I found this weird: Why did he single out me as someone who has not posted much and claim I'm scummy based on that, given that at the time there were many others who would fit the criteria aswell? Whereas you said he is not doing that. He still hasn't placed his vote. Took him ages to actually post a scum read. That's beating around the bush to me. | ||
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On February 06 2014 03:23 Hopeless1der wrote: balla pretend the votes are 5-5 and my vote is on cakeman. Its 5 minutes to deadline. What do I do? I disagree that taking ages to develop scumreads is waffling. [ I didn't say that, I said he's beating around the bush. Not that he's being indecisive. As town, I don't think you should have gotten yourself in that kind of situation. If you really think cakeman is scum, and the votes aren't going in your way, and you've done everything you think you can to convince town that you are not scum, lonemeow is not scum and cakeman is. Then you shouldn't vote lonemeow to save yourself because YOU THINK he's town, and the town sentiment clearly thinks you are scum. You saving yourself will just make you be a HUGE question mark for the rest of the game. | ||
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Do you disagree that he's beating around the bush in those quotes? | ||
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On February 06 2014 03:42 Hopeless1der wrote: woah I never said its towns fault for lynching me. I'm not going to cite the many instances where I self-depreciate my own play by calling it scummy because I do it in damn near every game. However, Balla is telling me I should kill myself to save town the grief of reading me later. Do you agree with him? I should knowingly allow a guaranteed mislynch to occur? I didn't say this at all. You should absolutely not roll over and die. I was expecting 2 types of responses from you on this subject: 1. Egotistical, "i'm better than the other guy so i'd prefer having me alive" 2. Where you try to see where i'm coming from. You went middle of the road. I don't know where that puts you. I think outright saying you would kill a someone you think is townie to save you is kinda weird. The act itself not at all. The way you explained yourself I think is ok too. | ||
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On February 06 2014 03:49 suki wrote: first off modkilling oneself is not in the spirit of the game. second, you're all seriously pressuring Hopeless solely on the point that he was afk for 24 hours? He can't do anything about that now but he seems to be putting in effort now. Nobody's getting modkilled. Not that at all. I'm pressuring hopeless on what I think is a faulty lonemeow town read and the fact that he said he would kill somebody he thinks he's townie to save himself. I don't think a town would SAY that so early. Actually doing it much later is totally normal from both alignments. | ||
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On February 06 2014 03:59 Hopeless1der wrote: Balla are you taking issue with the fact that I brought up the point about how I'd lynch LM over myself? The context of "I want to lynch scumread, I do not want to lynch townreads" isnt clear? I'm taking issue with the fact that you said it so early when it wasn't even close to coming to a situation like that yet. I don't know why you felt the need to add that you would lynch him to save yourself at that point in time. It wasn't even close to lynch time. To me, it's kind of like some sort of weird slip of information bias. Regardless, we've said enough about the subject. Like I said your followup is ok so. | ||
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Why have you basically done the same thing that got you in trouble last game (NMM1)? You made a case on oats. He defended himself and posted a case on hopeless, you retracted and also posted a case on hopeless, he defended himself and posted a case on cakeman, and so on and so forth. Who are some other people you would be ok with seeing die besides cakeman? | ||
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On February 06 2014 04:48 JonnyLaw wrote: Cakeman have you played a scum game? This play reminds me of my only scum game. Say enough to not try and get lynched. If you're not the prime candidate say nothing. Bum saved me from being lynched and got himself lynched instead by calling me confirmed town. Also my NMM1 game. | ||
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On February 06 2014 04:52 jaybrundage wrote: Where the hell is sidesprangs replacement : / yeah im kind of peeved about that... basically 24+ hours where we can't even consider a spot's alignment.... | ||
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Like I said before. If Koshi's Jonny case was purposefully misrepresenting what jonny was saying, then he's scum. But evidence points to that it wasn't on purpose. Another thing that is nagging me is I don't see anybody really doing anything together with Koshi. This is a terrible point since nobody has flipped but its still in the back of my mind. LoneMeow on the other hand, still isn't really changing what he's doing. It's the same stuff that people have been calling him out for and he didn't change. I'd still lynch Hopeless1der hard as hell too. ##unvote ##vote LoneMeow | ||
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On February 06 2014 05:18 LoneMeow wrote: That's actually what worries me most about him, since the town-Alakaslam I know plays far more scummy than this one :D This I do agree with. Not sure what to make of him overall. Point out what you're talking about. I only see a few posts where he seems more like scum-slam and FAR more non-sensical trolly town slam. | ||
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On February 06 2014 05:22 JonnyLaw wrote: Where'd hopeless go? He made a case and posted for an hour. All pressure seemingly dropped off him and he afks without commenting on Cakeman again or really trying to push the lynch. I'll look at Jay again LM. This is very true. Maybe he needed a break after our pretty silly argument. | ||
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If he is then compile something, if not then what are you posting this about in the first place. I totally understand what you are TRYING to say, but you need to just come out and say it. He has a few posts where he's pro-town non trolly sharing reads and whatever, but for the most part he's pretty trolly and non-sensical and cryptic. Which is town slam. So for the most part, I see him as town slam. | ||
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On February 06 2014 05:42 Alakaslam wrote: This is a legitimate concern if anyone is wondering. Read "Extractor trick mafia" for an example. Or "Back to the Basics". Why are you arguing that people should be taking him seriously when he's calling you mafia... | ||
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While I didn't think it was a trap at all, I don't see jaybrundage's reaction as scummy. I thought exactly the same thing. Your trap was dumb, and just because jaybrundage's tone was different than mine doesn't mean anything. Especially since his tone is consistently calm and collected throughout all his posts. | ||
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On February 06 2014 06:00 JonnyLaw wrote: That's it. When I read jay I feel like he's trying to [i]act[/] townie. He says all the right things to look town but I don't see where he's actually trying to hunt scum. Eh. I see what you're saying but I don't really think that makes someone scum. It's more of a bad feeling rather than a read. You're good at that, so I won't be surprised if you're right. I just don't want to lynch him today. Lonemeow, Hopeless both bother me much more than anything Jay has done. There's very little that bothers me about Jay. Again though, it's probably mostly cause he's posting a lot of the same stuff that I'm saying or thinking. Can you point out the differences between his play and my play? Like am I scum-hunting more? Why is he scum where i'm not? On February 06 2014 06:00 Hopeless1der wrote: Yeah guys, activity and reasoning = scum. You heard it here first. I hate this so much... you asked him a question, he responded, and then you put words in his mouth. -_- | ||
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On February 06 2014 06:08 jaybrundage wrote: Ok so gonna take a step back I get a bit heated when people post that Im scum. When I'm doing my best effort to play like a strong townie. I'm going to listen to some music and take a look at the post about cake changing his reads that hopeless mentioned to me that i wasn't able to look up on. I will still respond if i find something i deem worth responding too. lol ok this looks so fake... | ||
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On February 06 2014 06:10 Hopeless1der wrote: Sorry Balla, the confirmation bias is strong here. Do you not see my point though? He is calling me scum for playing in a pro-town manner. Kind of, but I don't think it's correct. I see where it's coming from. But he's not calling you SCUM because you post more cases and whatever, he's calling you a possibly good scum player. He's calling you scum for the content you produced and the way you handled yourself early game. | ||
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On February 06 2014 06:31 JonnyLaw wrote: I do realize and I'm sorry if you're town. I've typically been correct when I feel this way about someone's play. T_T. The more and more I read the less and less comfortable I feel with him. There's other things like this: On February 06 2014 01:42 jaybrundage wrote: I was suspicious of Cake man of doom. Originally he was my first suspect for scum. But when I was trying to write a case on him. I felt that he was a townie trying to figure things out as opposed to a scum. I think that his reads were flexible and changing is a good thing. As townies who can see new things and change reads are more likely to be the ones trying to figure out the game. This post here is one that I didn't like tho. The lack of caring just set off alarms. A lynch should be something that is thought on and alot of consideration should go into it. Just dropping his vote, Not trying to figure out the alignment of the person he is voting is pretty scummy. And stands in pretty stark contrast to most other parts of his filter. What do you think Suki? In what townie world do you decide to write a case on someone before deciding whether they are townie or scummy? | ||
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On February 06 2014 06:44 LoneMeow wrote: This wagon on me is a mislynch and jaybrundage is scum. This progressing is incredibly unnatural: Doesn't mention me as a lynch choice (despite having cased me earlier!) -> decent lynch -> votes me. I have convinced myself he's scum. ##Unvote ##Vote: jaybrundage I had the impression that he always had you as a lynch target. Since his case on you. | ||
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On February 06 2014 06:54 Koshi wrote: Everybody move the fuck off jayB. | ||
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##vote Jaybrundage | ||
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On February 06 2014 07:00 jaybrundage wrote: He was getting lynched anyway. Why wouldn't he try to cc then if by chance that you switch back to me. then they don't have to use a shot on me. ugh... | ||
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LM: Koshi, Suki, JB, JL (first to 4) JB: Hope, Balla, Slam, LM Wasted votes: Cake, Oats, Sidesprang | ||
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On February 06 2014 07:52 JonnyLaw wrote: Balla why you ever doubt me? Heh. I didn't actually. You have no idea how hard I was wrestling with myself on jay before the doc claims came falling down. I was like... man jonny's reads are always fucking amazing, and i'm almost 100% sure he is town, but i really dont want to lynch jay atm. | ||
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On February 06 2014 07:54 cakemanofdoom wrote: Wait wtf LM was actually doc? I thought it was way too unlikely that the other lynch target besides the first doc claim would be real doc O.O Why didn't you vote... I was pretty confident LM was going to flip scum and it was going to make you look amazing. | ||
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On February 06 2014 07:46 Artanis[Xp] wrote: LoneMeow (4): Koshi, suki, JonnyLaw, Jaybrundage jaybrundage (4): Alakaslam, LoneMeow, Hopeless1der, Balla24, Koshi (1): cakemanofdoom cakemanofdoom (1): Oatsmaster, Cakemanofdoom could have hammered in either direction here. He must have had extreme vote awareness (which I didn't) to not do so if he is scum. That or he didn't feel comfortable hammering jay when he already took a stance on LM (calling his claim shit). Oatsmaster afk, alakaslam afk, sidesprang afk. There might be a scum within oats/sidesprang. Slam not so much, as he afk voted a scum and set a trap that caught a scum. Jonny is pretty much confirmed town how he pushed JB all day. I can't fault anybody voting on LM because JB's claim looked legit as fuck, and LM looked scummy as hell all day whereas JB just looked townie all day. With that said, out of Koshi/Suki I think Koshi is the scum. He didn't care at all about how the lynch was going but then suddenly when the claims start happening he's there to back JB's claim up. Sure it looked legit, but where were you the rest of the time? This looks bad: On February 06 2014 05:42 Koshi wrote: It just reads incredible wrong. Red bells everywhere. Which set Jonny off back on his crusade to lynch jaybrundage. Then he didn't follow up AT ALL and just dissapeared. I'll look more into it but that's just my initial thought. Hopeless1der is looking good too. This is more like cakeman, but in this case he actually voted for JB. If he's scum, he must have had MASSIVE voting awareness to risk voting his scummate like this. Moreso than cake, who wasn't risking his scummates life. Oh and I think it goes without saying that we 100% ignore everything JB says from now on. | ||
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On February 06 2014 08:27 cakemanofdoom wrote: Oh sweet so I was the only one on scum at that vote? yeah but your vote was still useless LOL | ||
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I think both sides would be pretty demotivated after that. Town just lost their doc for no mafia, the lynch was on two townies so it really didn't mean shit as far as relationships go. Town was pretty boned after that. Mafia probably felt like they were boned too since they only had 2 people and they were massively confused as to what just happened. | ||
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On February 06 2014 08:33 JonnyLaw wrote: I do. I really felt like you were playing godlike scum and I caught you being clever. Occam's razor yo. If he's playing townie, he's probably townie. | ||
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On February 06 2014 08:39 Artanis[Xp] wrote: You'll still have him as coach for the upcoming game. Don't worry. Haha I know, it wasn't a "fuck" as in i'm losing him it was more of a relief that i can finally share all the awesome things he was doing. ^_^ | ||
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On February 06 2014 08:42 jaybrundage wrote: I wanna ask a question. Was I really scummy. Cause I thought I played well and I would like someone to point out how i was scummy No you were good. Too good 4 jonny. Too much advice though. And scum hunt more. A lot of people were just scumhunting by posting cases and not doing anything else. | ||
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On February 06 2014 09:07 gonzaw wrote: Wait, so sidesprang's coach was actually HOLY? LOL Seriously? That's too fucking good. | ||
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