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On February 04 2014 13:03 jaybrundage wrote:I don't see intention behind your posts besides to post for the sake of it. We were three pages into Day 1. What do you expect? I think I was successful as plenty of discussion has come up from it and we're not wasting time talking about policy anymore. | ||
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His "case" against Koshi is bad, and yet he continues to push it. He's also not consistent with his views: On February 04 2014 15:32 Oatsmaster wrote: suki nullish, dunno why she is attacking you though, bad reasons but not inherently scummy. Cakeman also null. Same with johnny. i mean, nobody is really pushing shit and its hard to figure out if they are posting for the sake of it or posting to find scum. Literally throughout the whole 7-8 pages there is no concerted effort to push someone by anyone. Koshi scum for suggesting a really bad policy about post counts and nothing else. It feels like bait for scum to jump on but there is no followup. On February 05 2014 00:49 Balla24 wrote: Can you explain a bit more? 1. How does Koshi posting something "bad" make it bait for scum to jump on? Basically: what will scum do with it? 2. Did anybody jump on it? 3. Was this your first thought when you read it? On February 05 2014 00:57 Oatsmaster wrote: 1. Scum will go and shit on Koshi for it because its bad and scummy. 2. yeah suki and some other dudes. 3. My first thought was why is koshi proposing such a useless policy. mannnn Koshi's shitposting is AFTER his first post. This is almost a scum claim right here. Oats is doing the exact thing that he says scum would do, and yet he's calling other people out for it. Who is Oats willing to lynch today? On February 05 2014 01:39 Oatsmaster wrote: Yeah Im not telling you my conclusions because I want to hear what you think without my conclusions coloring your analysis. I really null on cake, what he posts when he comes back is really important and will probably decided my read. Hopeless is a useless piece of shit that we should lynch. (... On a side note, I don't approve of the personal attack calling Hopeless a 'useless piece of shit'.) Anyways. He suddenly thinks Hopeless is super scummy, without any reasoning. This is after LoneMeow has stated suspicions on Hopeless so it feels like a bandwagon. Hopeless was one of the people who didn't shit on Koshi's policy, and said that the policy makes him feel motivated. So this big scum tell that Oats has been pushing the entire game doesn't apply to his choice of lynches? He reads cake as null and yet it's cake and hopeless who he wants to discuss. Why not me, who you said was scummy for 'jumping on Koshi's policy' or those 'other dudes' that you so specifically called out? Why is LoneMeow town even though he was the most vocal about probably not meeting Koshi's 40 post policy? Hm. Also this exchange just leaves a bad taste in my mouth: On February 04 2014 12:10 Oatsmaster wrote: Hi guys, [jay] probably town Also, why does Oats avoid Balla's question here? He's not being transparent, and if he thinks Balla is town then why throw the question back at him? On February 05 2014 01:55 Oatsmaster wrote: I thought you disapproved of the asking questions before giving your own answers? In summary, Oats is calling people scummy for something that he himself is actively doing. His reads on people seem random, rather than thought out. There's no logical progression on why he thinks Hopeless is super scummy and worth lynching (it feels like bandwagoning to try to push an easy lurker lynch). There's no explanation on why LoneMeow is town to him despite the dissonance with his 'Koshi policy' case. When asked to explain himself he's extremely reluctant. He tries to deflect attention from himself. This all reads as scum to me. ##vote Oatsmaster | ||
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Jay has been contributing to the thread and pressuring people so I'm not interested in him. | ||
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There are other people that I'm looking at other than Oats but I'd rather wait for activity from more people before I do more detailed analysis. | ||
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sorry to hear that side :< I was looking forward to playing with you again. | ||
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LoneMeow Give me your top 2 scum reads and reasons, please. Alakaslam You set a trap for Jay by voting for Oats, now you've unvoted Oats. What are your thoughts on Oats at the moment? Who are your scum picks? Plenty of time has passed and there has been enough activity to form opinions on people. There are also several cases floating around so there is no reason for people not to contribute their thoughts on the cases and put down their vote. | ||
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I'd like to see more from Jonny that is not related to Koshi/LoneMeow's early posts. | ||
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On February 05 2014 07:42 Koshi wrote: If he doesn't take his vote off me he can die. And if he takes his vote off of you? Your statement doesn't really elaborate your thoughts towards Oats. | ||
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I've noted that previously as town he correctly called out hopeless for being scum in TL Mafia XLIII: Time to Die, basically for lurking and not contributing. He is doing the same here in his pressure on Hopeless. I'm still waiting on Hopeless to contribute something to the thread. Most of his posts are defense posts and fluff, he keeps promising content but hasn't delivered. ##unvote ##vote Hopeless1der At this point I also would be happy to lynch LoneMeow. He's done absolutely nothing this game. I think sidesprang's contributed more to this game in his one big post than LoneMeow has in his entire filter. | ||
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After posting my 'perfect sheep' post I went back and read the past few pages again and I actually really hate Oat's case against you. I'll look at him again in the morning as I'm really tired right now, but just my general impressions on his play from his defense post onwards gave me a gut feeling of town on him. | ||
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I went and looked at a bunch of jay's past games. As mafia, he makes excuses for himself a lot. He's very self-conscious. in the past three scum games that i found, he made sure to mention right at the beginning that he is always mislynched as town and plays up that fact as if to say, don't mislynch me. He tends to find scum faster, vote more freely and with less explanation. As town he doesn't apologize. He likes to policy talk and take it easy early on, but when he latches on to someone he ends up writing up a big case more often than not and voting his suspect. Based on this read I think that jay is town. He's a lot more easy going from the start, doesn't make excuses or seem self-conscious. He asks a lot of questions and is generally wary about calling people scum which is directly against his scum meta. His long post against LoneMeow with the vote at the end is distinctly his town style as well, I feel. | ||
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What do you think of Oats, his defense and his case against Hopeless? Is Hopeless scummy enough that you'd vote him? I'd appreciate if you place your vote somewhere. | ||
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On February 05 2014 15:04 Hopeless1der wrote: As for being a perfect sheep, yes I'm sorry I wasn't around to make the case myself. Do you want me to go quote Oats' filter 5 times and explain why he's still scum for the stuff you say he's refuted? On second thought, I think this would be quite helpful. You don't have to quote his filter 5 times but if you can explain why you think his defense did not appropriately address my case that would be good. | ||
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For example, against LoneMeow: I wanna see more posts from LoneMeow. His first post doesn't seem very alignment-indicative to me; just a throwaway comment. Response to the vote is a decent explanation. Aside from that, his only post is about how post quality is more important than number of posts. True, but overall he's made too few posts/contributions for me to read him. That puts him more scummy than not. I'm starting to think jay might be mafia. He seems to spend a lot of time defending himself, not as much looking for mafia. Still don't want to lynch him soon since he's so much more active than some people. His main case was on LoneMeow, which I didn't like that much; I really don't find much that's especially scummy about LM. Not too sure yet, this will probably be greatly affected by how jay posts from now. LoneMeow and Hopeless were lurky. Can't really tell if they're mafia from that, but they're fine lynches. Hopeless's more recent posts don't seem very substantial. Bad sign imo. Meh. Maybe, I guess. Actually, I don't really care right now. I'm fine with lynching Hopeless either way. ##Vote Hopeless1der Going to sleep. I'm also fine with lynching LM and Koshi. This whole set of comments on LoneMeow.. He wants to see more from LoneMeow, he doesn't like jay's case against LoneMeow but LoneMeow is lurking so he's ok to lynch. He just seems like he's trying to play it safe and under the radar. | ||
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