[I][T][M] Vengeful Mini Mafia!

On February 03 2014 10:59 WaveofShadow wrote:
Ughhhhhh I hate this deadline tiiiiime

On February 03 2014 15:11 yamato77 wrote:
Disregard earlier PMs, we will be rerolling the roles.

On February 04 2014 10:54 marvellosity wrote:
I'm outlawing the phrase "mind meld"

On February 04 2014 11:04 DarthPunk wrote:
It's been 15 minutes. I can't just switch it off magically.

On February 04 2014 11:09 Holyflare wrote:


I have no idea what you are saying.

On February 04 2014 11:12 DarthPunk wrote:


It's not the same in this setup because you get a vig shot bro.

On February 04 2014 11:16 Holyflare wrote:
Like prome, what are you doing now? I've already posted and it's been stated that Artanis' post is clearly alignment unindicative (the why's included) so why is your first real post to only ask that question to marv who has also been reading the thread. It's a useless rehash.

On February 04 2014 11:19 marvellosity wrote:

Actually it's interesting and worth spending at least some thought on.

Some time down the line you have player A and player B, both are suspicious and town is deciding between them. One mafia one townie. One is going to be lynched, the other will be vigged by the lynched player (seems a sensible play).

Makes sense for the mafia in that situation to bus the mafia, so the mafia dies and doesn't flip, and the townie flips. Probably a better result for mafia than the townie not flipping and shooting the mafia who does flip.

So it seems there's probably situations where bussing might be optimal for mafia

On February 04 2014 11:24 marvellosity wrote:
It means he didn't bother to think about it Prome. That's what you draw your conclusions from.

On February 04 2014 11:25 Holyflare wrote:


That is why we come to a consensus and make the people we lynch shoot specific targets.

On February 04 2014 11:27 DarthPunk wrote:


It is true. More likely. of course there are exceptions. And if anyone was going to be an exception it would be artanis for the reasons stated.

Still makes no sense to do that as town and does make sense for mafia.

On February 04 2014 11:29 marvellosity wrote:

Play nice.

That scenario removes the doubt from Cephiro's flip, which is a decently good thing.

On February 04 2014 11:33 iamperfection wrote:

wat !?! you never mislynch people?

On February 04 2014 11:33 DarthPunk wrote:


Firstly don't condescend to me prome. My recent posts have been calm and rational so there is no fucking reason to say that.

Secondly the reason you do it as scum is because it is a WIFOM bomb. People will think there is no way scum would claim scum so clearly this guy is not scum.

I would ask you the same thing in reverse. For what reason would town ever claim scum?

On February 04 2014 11:40 DarthPunk wrote:


There are more productive ways to do that then claiming scum.

On February 04 2014 11:55 iamperfection wrote:

um he seemed to me to be putting quite the spotlight on himself with his cases on dp and he pretty much shit posted with dp for awhile while promoting discussion. dont seem like scum things to me. maybe you should check your sources.

On February 04 2014 12:03 DarthPunk wrote:


Why would you do it as town though? What is the reason behind it as town. It just makes no fucking sense for town to do that.

On February 04 2014 12:07 DarthPunk wrote:

Not really. We have infinite time so I don't see why we should rush things.

On February 04 2014 12:08 DarthPunk wrote:


Maybe I just value wifom more than you do as a tool to deceive the town.

On February 04 2014 11:50 Promethelax wrote:
While we sit around waiting for DP to sift through Art's filters shall we move this discussion away from Dp and towards HF? Yes, yes we shall.

Why did Holy just vanish, he was here excited to be playing but when things got hot he got out of the kitchen. He was here to claim a mindmeld and here to argue its validity but he hasn't provided anything new to the discussion. Is HF scum? Inside sources say yes.

On February 04 2014 11:40 Promethelax wrote:
I find myself kinda into the idea of lynching Cephiro (I finally figured out how to spell it) basically only he and Rayn have not been here for the opening remarks and I've found the general pace and movement of this opening to be townie and interested. I'd be willing to lynch those who are not here. Ergo Cephiro/rayn.

On February 04 2014 11:37 Promethelax wrote:
yeah, I don't disagree. Your problem though is that scum will shoot said townies if/when we lynch them.

Right now I'd say marv/imp both looking townie to me.

Waiting to hear from Artanis as I don't have trouble reading him. Need some personal time with him to really 'get a feel' for things.

On February 04 2014 12:30 DarthPunk wrote:
##unvote

##vote:promethelax

No reason to refuse to answer questions and engage in a discourse if you are town. Further I wouldn't expect the town prome I've played in a tonne of games with to act that way.

On February 04 2014 14:45 Holyflare wrote:


Toad's case was legitimately beyond terrible. This case was totally unjustified rage on a case that wasn't awful. How can you equate the two things at all? The fact that 3 people jumped onto him because of that shows that other people agree why so have you taken the opposite point of view?

Please explain how my conclusions are wrong.

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Now onto Prome.

Half of Prome's filter is talking about tactics that scum can do and what would be best for the town to do. Now, at the start of the game it isn't so bad, however, when he talks about it more and more even though he has "thought about it a lot before the game" his ideas do not add up. In fact, there are many contradictions in his thought processes.

For instance, over time Prome discusses how it is more beneficial to kill a fringe looking townie/scum to then shoot who we think is actual scum so we can determine the alignment from the flip.

However, he also states that he'd never mislynch Cephiro.

This presumably implies that he can read Cephiro quite well, to the ability that he wouldn't mislynch him. Yet, his stance on Cephiro becomes increasingly more different than Artanis:






He doesn't mislynch Cephiro, yet here we have him increasingly leaning more and more towards lynching him without even talking to him OR rayn. Like, I understand that the pace feels towny right now but why Cephiro over Rayn? Like there is a legitimate super focus on lynching Cephiro over Artanis who claimed mafia with no thread activity further or rayn who hasn't typed at all either. He "thinks" there is a mafia between rayn and cephiro based on the thread but if that's the case then he WOULDN'T want to lynch Cephiro based on what he's said before, he would want to vote a fringe towny (probably me based on his next post), yet this conclusion is seemingly absent:



His only reasoning? That I vanished. Lol.

This is also an incoherent thought. If the people present are town then why is he mad at those people and displaying it in the thread? If there is a good chance of scum in cephiro/rayn then surely he should be happy that he's narrowed down the pool of potential scum to two?

On February 04 2014 19:31 DarthPunk wrote:
##marv

You are voting based on your bruised ego, gave no reasoning for your votes, and have not made a case on either of the people you voted for based on events in the game.

On February 04 2014 19:49 raynpelikoneet wrote:

Yeah and you didn't even care to answer me.
You said "mafia benefits from chaos and whatever shit", then you call DP out for it when it was clearly Holyflare who caused the thing in the first place. So yes, i want to know why it's only DP's "fault". And now you are being a bitch and doing the same thing here, and i have no fucking idea why.

On February 04 2014 19:59 DarthPunk wrote:


Yeah i don't buy that . Why would town marv who usually is a reasonable sort of fellow would do what he just did? Doesn't make any sense. It was not pro town. It did not facilitate any sort of discussion, basically he made two shitty votes with no reasoning and then went on an ego rampage all over the place.

On February 04 2014 20:13 marvellosity wrote:


Revising this list

8.raynpelikoneet
4.Holyflare
3.DarthPunk
6.WaveOfShadow
2.iamperfection
5.Promethelax
9.Cephiro
1.marvellosity
7.Artanis

DP ^ 3 places

On February 04 2014 21:15 marvellosity wrote:
If your accusation on him had included "but I think x or y (in this case Artanis) aren't townie, how can he think this" then I'd be more sympathetic, but you didn't say that - you made it into a general point, and as a general point it's meaningless.

On February 04 2014 23:18 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Okay, so:
1) Artanis makes a lynch plan Prome assumedly finds pro-town.
2) Instead of commenting on that, or implying he finds this alignment indicative (more on that later) he posts this:

Now what's the motivation behind this post? Is it to find out more about Artanis? No, because Prome states his own opinion. Is to find out more about your (marv's) alignment? I find it hard to believe so, because why would he ask the question this way (give an answer) if he wanted to find out more about you marv. The only reason i can come up with is "hey what do you think so i know if i can use that against Artanis later on if needed".
3) After this Prome makes a same sort of plan (in different words) than Artanis made on step (1). Based on (2) i would think if someone comes up with a same like of suggestion you find pro town, you would give him town credit for it. Therefore it makes even less sense to me he asks you about if Artanis' scumclaim is alignment indicative or not (not to mention he himself does not find it alignment indicative).

On February 04 2014 23:22 Cephiro wrote:
Back home and briefly read through the thread. I still have some things to take care of, so I will post my thoughts later on in the evening. I like the content available so far, although some back and forth's were taken too far and lost their usefulness in my opinion.

Automatic + for everyone that isn't rushing to get a lynch done too quickly.

On February 05 2014 02:10 marvellosity wrote:

Bold and red don't really go together. Try again.

On February 05 2014 02:21 marvellosity wrote:

Why are you quoting me here?

On February 05 2014 02:30 marvellosity wrote:

Probably better to read people before offering opinions on who you want to lynch, hmm darling?

On February 05 2014 02:27 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Tell me, what had scum!marv said then?

On February 05 2014 02:33 marvellosity wrote:

Because Artanis is scummy as shit and you should be able to see it.

Does he look like the kind of dude who's happy to roll town after a bunch of mafia games?

On February 05 2014 02:38 marvellosity wrote:
Lacking "pop", one could say :p

On February 05 2014 02:43 marvellosity wrote:

Cephiro was beyond useless in some game that just finished. Er... SMB mafia. I thought he was mafia forever until it became clear much much later he wasn't. Judgement gets reserved until he makes some content.

On January 16 2014 09:32 Cephiro wrote:
Hi all. I am not very interested in the random banter at the start of the game and I have better things to do, thus I will not take part in the first few hours of discussion, probably.

All you need to know is that I'm one in a million. :3 I shall observe from the shadows, for now.

On February 04 2014 23:22 Cephiro wrote:
Back home and briefly read through the thread. I still have some things to take care of, so I will post my thoughts later on in the evening. I like the content available so far, although some back and forth's were taken too far and lost their usefulness in my opinion.

Automatic + for everyone that isn't rushing to get a lynch done too quickly.

On February 05 2014 03:33 Holyflare wrote:


have you actually replaced...?

On February 05 2014 03:39 Holyflare wrote:


The fact you think it's about his vote and not his interactions is laughable.

On February 05 2014 06:01 Holyflare wrote:


He WAS a lurker at the start of the game when prome defended him

On February 04 2014 20:09 DarthPunk wrote:
Anyway. As I said I'm not posting again until someone besides marv is here.

On February 05 2014 10:35 LSB wrote:

There are day limits? I don't think there is any in the OP

And no I don't want a 100 hour day 1

On February 05 2014 23:46 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I really hate this game because people who used to be reasonable decided to be massive dicks.

On February 05 2014 16:32 DarthPunk wrote:


Cool. some bullshit about tone, actually zero reasons for his read And somehow he can't show me because it is present in every post of this this game. If it is meta show me the meta. Show me things he is doing this game that he doesn;t do in other games. Explain it. OH wait, you can't because you pulled the read from nothing an nowhere.

And that stuff about your rep or whatever is meaningless. If you are scum like I think you are you would say 'of course I knew better I was just scum'

Right. Absolutely no good reason to call marv town. Appeals to his 'rep' but can't provide one single concrete reason. Basically spending a lot of time saying nothing.



That was literally not a reason to call wave town at all. You were right people thought they were scummy because it was. And that is the only reason you give for a 'solid' townread.



Oh look this person is town because he seemed town. You keep coming back to that as justification but it is meaningless. What does 'he niggled in ways I liked' mean? can you provide examples of those niggles and explain why it makes him town. Using vague fucking terms to give town reads is not something town do. Town KNOW why they think people are town, ESPECIALLY if people are so confident that they are eliminating them from the mafia pool.
Literally the setup speculation of LSB was not alignment indicative but at least you gave an actual reason on him.



At least you give a reason for me even if it is just the same reason everyone else has given.

On February 05 2014 13:21 Promethelax wrote:
I have reasons DP. I just never bothered to write them out. There they are. I'm not going to repeat myself, I don't think there is a lot of value in answering you in a case on me. If you lynch me I'll happily shoot Artanis. I don't really care since I'm clearly town and you might listen to my reads after I shoot scum.

I believe I've adequately explained my scum reads. If you disagree feel free to ask.

On February 05 2014 23:56 DarthPunk wrote:


We called you and marv mafia, Prome. Because we said that we are: Bad, spewing bullshit and being self congratulatory?

That is so bullshit. We are trying to play the game. Calling someone scum does not mean we are being bad, spewing bullshit or being self congratulatory. The reason you didn't link anything was because there WAS nothing to link.

I don't even know what this is. It's fucking weird and it makes me sad.

On February 06 2014 00:03 DarthPunk wrote:


Marv is not clearly town. The fact that you sheep marv has nothing to do with what is happening in the game right now and lynching a townie every day is the dumbest thing I have ever heard.

On February 06 2014 00:16 DarthPunk wrote:


And half of the players in the game are not going to shoot who town says. Read cephiro's conversation about it with marv and then decide if it is a good idea.

On February 06 2014 00:20 marvellosity wrote:
Prome I'll lynch you if you shoot rayn. I'm sure about this. See above

On February 06 2014 00:21 marvellosity wrote:

Go find in Shadow where either of them said I was 100% certain town.

Go on, chop chop.

On February 06 2014 00:22 marvellosity wrote:
Artanis is just a gimme.

On February 06 2014 00:26 DarthPunk wrote:


AS this has again descended into bullshit I will leave the thread.

##unvote

Rather shoot you than lynch you after you are both wanting to shoot obv town assets.

On February 06 2014 03:07 LSB wrote:

I don't understand why you are repeating yourself in hopes of a different response by me.

On February 06 2014 02:58 LSB wrote:

????

Please explain the bolded part. Have I not made it clear that town shooting town is the only way how scum will win? And why do I care about the alignments of dead players?

This is what I am incredibly concerned about. If you haven't noticed, this isn't your normal mafia game. Scum does not win by simply getting town lynched. Scum wins by having a townie shoot another townie.

This is why I am incredibly concerned about WoS trying to tie players together. This is also why I am concerned about Marv trying to make sure that rayn gets shot at night instead of simply lynching him. And this is also why I think you are mafia.

On February 04 2014 09:37 WaveofShadow wrote:

KK.
But just so you know I was serious about paying attention to you, at least myself. Going to be watching you like a hawk this game so prepare to be incredibly annoyed.

On February 04 2014 08:25 iamperfection wrote:

Way to early to be suggesting mind meld.

On February 04 2014 09:49 iamperfection wrote:

then i dont get why you would need to watch him like a "hawk". Unless you are just saying things for show.

On February 04 2014 10:57 iamperfection wrote:

how does that make him mafia dear?

Your being totally unreasonable.