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Well that was an awful game, though I'm choosing to believe that DP and Rayn aren't horrible people and just shitty to play with when they are scum.
I had no fun and this game sucked. All I can feel good about is having to mafia as confirmed mafia d1.
DP you played very well, I had you as super confirmed town. Though you also sucked to play with and I'm not sure that is something you want to do ever since playing to win is one thing while playing to have fn is another.
I disagree that this was terribly scum favoured. Two days In a row we 'lynched' scum there was essentially one mislynch and it was a pretty bad one since wave was obviously town (though I still thought HF was scum over DP) after ceph and lsb were left with DP it was pretty obvious DP was scum since his anger was all that made him town and that was more fakeable than the thought processes from lsb and ceph.
I'm taking a long break from mafia I had a horrible time playing this game and as an aside people listening to Rayn/DP over me/Marv need to seriously rethink things.
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It was VERY imbalanced in favor of town.
I know, because there were very few ways to win as scum, and I was trying to think of them.
Anyway. I'm just going to avoid funky setups in the future.
Also about behavior, prome you and marv were just as big a dick as rayn and I, perhaps more so, and you were town.
Pay attention to this wave post from a third party not directly involved in the fight.
On February 06 2014 05:07 WaveofShadow wrote:Ok. What in the actual fuck is wrong with you people? I can't actually believe what happened in this thread. I probably facepalmed and jaw-dropped about 5 times each. Prome - Where the fuck are people 'congratulating' themselves about findind out about you and refusing to talk to you when you said so? I get that yoiu've created this plan now, but what the fuck kind of play is martyring? If anything you should have been more pissed at the end of Shadow game, where all of us, WERE congratulating ourselves about finding you and whatnot. How come you didn't speak out then? What the shit?Show nested quote +On February 05 2014 23:51 Promethelax wrote:
look at say, the last 10 pages of this thread. You and Rayn have been the worst offenders while HF piggy backs on and 'me too's Wave has been almost reasonable, it isn't really fair of me to lump him in with you guys. And wtf is this? You're doing the same thing as marv all of a sudden---everyone who doesn't call you scum is 'reasonable?' Is this your first game of mafia or something? Marv - Stop fucking patting me on the back for finding you town and adding fuel to the fire. Your play today has been deplorable, and I don't want to be lumped in to a group of players that have been unnecessarily antagonistic all game. I don't care how ridiculous it sounds, but people have every right to think you're scum for the way you have played today. It's so anti-town it's shocking. Like calling everybody who goes against you scum can only go so far. It's insane and stupid to do it for the length that you have. DP/Rayn - The weirdest thing for me here is you guys ARE for the most part actually the calmer and more rational side here, so I don't know what to make of that. I'm still not a fan of your martyring, Rayn, I like even less that you seem to be doing it with a cool head. DP, you're calm now in the face of such stupidity. Show nested quote +On February 05 2014 23:46 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I really hate this game because people who used to be reasonable decided to be massive dicks. This describes my experience reading the last few pages. I don't understand where things broke down and what has happened to all of you. I can't tell if this is somebody's scumplay setting people off/faking things or if people are actually genuinely being this ridiculous town v town. You guys have made this game intensely unenjoyable to play. Your play has been full of personal attacks unnecessary rage and has just been all around unacceptable. No idea wtf the hosts have been doing. You can take this post as alignment indicative if you'd like either way, I don't really care.
Rayn and I were playing to our win condition and actually looked BETTER than you and marv to a third party. Both of you were also TOWN so not playing to your win condition at all.
So I would take a look in the mirror before talking about my behaviour this game prome.
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Oh, gg. Pacifist townie survives. 
LSB pulled off the correct play in endgame.
But yes, in 2v1 the town wins almost always. I figured out earlier if it went to 3 players left like that, I would instantly selfvote. Both townies are the ones that can do that with no danger. There are only two options for scum.
1) Instahammer and hope that the other townie thinks that you're the remaining townie for figuring out the selfvote thing and avoid getting shot. (Unlikely.)
2) Self-vote and mislead one townie like a boss that it doesn't matter which of you two gets lynched, and hope that they agree on being lynched and taking the shot. (And that they don't change their mind to shoot the remaining scum after mislead.)
In 2v1 it's extremely town favoured. Scum's objective is obviously to avoid getting into that situation. Scum wins after 2 lynched townies shoot town. This essentially means that town has to hit scum on every single shot except one. It's hard to say for certainty, but in my opinion it seems like a fairly balanced setup. Certainly scum can't be as suicidehappy, but there may even be situations where being lynched and unflipped causes town to wifom themselves to death.
It's too bad I went to sleep after waiting about 20 minutes for Holy's shot. Since he was waiting that long I figured I'm probably not going to get shot. No shoe eating on stream. 
As for the behavior of players, I think most can agree that this wasn't a very fun environment to play in. Even so, I thank the other players for participating and even more the hosts for hosting. I was thinking of writing up my opinions about the style of certain players, but I don't see what's the use of discussing about who did what and how badly. I'd rather hope we'll all step it up in the next game to try and make it a more comfortable environment to play in.
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As an outside reader this game was painful.
Dp emotional pleas whilst catering to scum win con was really frustrating in general.
Marv was clearly town and whilst I also felt his vitriol was excessive, he instantly dropped it when pursuing rayn initially.
I only read to about page 40.
Also felt holy was annoying to read but he's usually cheeky like that so I have come to expect it from him.
Lastly.
I dunno how much rayn opener was discussed but I was looking out for it cos I knew he was scum. It was really bad gaga. The traditional wishy washy position over talks about in his guide.
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yay town. Especially with rayn being an evul scummer. But you had marv. Makes stuff easier.
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On February 07 2014 15:58 DarthPunk wrote:
It was VERY imbalanced in favor of town.
I know, because there were very few ways to win as scum, and I was trying to think of them.
Anyway. I'm just going to avoid funky setups in the future.
Also about behavior, prome you and marv were just as big a dick as rayn and I, perhaps more so, and you were town.
Pay attention to this wave post from a third party not directly involved in the fight.
Lol are you seriously making this argument? You intentionally try to tilt me and call me "fucking useless" at the start and whatever else you were saying to me, and you're attacking me/us for being dicks? Are you for realsies? haha.
As I said earlier, mafia won't win any type of setup with 2/3 mafia outed on day 1. The only reason it got close was because people used a light version of dickmove analysis to call you town and town rushed things after artanis and rayn were shot. In the end townies had to get 3/4 shots right or lose the game.
I mean imagine this is a standard 9-3 or 10-3 setup and 2 mafia get caught on day 1. Mafia are totally fucked, no way back from that. Only the mechanics of this game made it close.
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I was not a dick to anyone.
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On February 07 2014 16:23 Mocsta wrote:
As an outside reader this game was painful.
Dp emotional pleas whilst catering to scum win con was really frustrating in general.
Marv was clearly town and whilst I also felt his vitriol was excessive, he instantly dropped it when pursuing rayn initially.
I only read to about page 40.
Also felt holy was annoying to read but he's usually cheeky like that so I have come to expect it from him.
Lastly.
I dunno how much rayn opener was discussed but I was looking out for it cos I knew he was scum. It was really bad gaga. The traditional wishy washy position over talks about in his guide.
Agreed. I jumped all over it and never let it go, and Prome agreed with me. The rest of the townies sat around derping and not recognising how bad it was and how mafia-oriented the rest of his play was either. Annoying.
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On February 07 2014 18:59 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I was not a dick to anyone.
well you called me "so bad" etc just like I did to DP (but much more), but I agree, you weren't
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Promethelax i am disappointed. You were very scummy, played bad, and were a dick. Also delusional. There is a reason nearly everyone thought you were scum, because you were scummy.
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Prome was not scummy in the slightest.
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On February 07 2014 18:59 marvellosity wrote:well you called me "so bad" etc just like I did to DP (but much more), but I agree, you weren't
I called you bad once.
But that's not what i consider being a dick. Well nevermind, i don't really wanna talk about this game because i don't really consider this mafia and this setup does not work in the forum atmosphere.
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No sorry this was obvious mafia and goes on your record.
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marv you are going to mislynch me a lot in the future.
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On February 07 2014 19:23 raynpelikoneet wrote:marv you are going to mislynch me a lot in the future.
I don't think so. I know what you are getting at, that you will post less and stuff.
But also with VE his style changed quite a lot, he posted much less, his emotions changed, and all things like that. But I still read VE perfectly even after his style jumps around and changes.
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On February 07 2014 18:52 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On February 07 2014 15:58 DarthPunk wrote:
It was VERY imbalanced in favor of town.
I know, because there were very few ways to win as scum, and I was trying to think of them.
Anyway. I'm just going to avoid funky setups in the future.
Also about behavior, prome you and marv were just as big a dick as rayn and I, perhaps more so, and you were town.
Pay attention to this wave post from a third party not directly involved in the fight.
Lol are you seriously making this argument? You intentionally try to tilt me and call me "fucking useless" at the start and whatever else you were saying to me, and you're attacking me/us for being dicks? Are you for realsies? haha.As I said earlier, mafia won't win any type of setup with 2/3 mafia outed on day 1. The only reason it got close was because people used a light version of dickmove analysis to call you town and town rushed things after artanis and rayn were shot. In the end townies had to get 3/4 shots right or lose the game. I mean imagine this is a standard 9-3 or 10-3 setup and 2 mafia get caught on day 1. Mafia are totally fucked, no way back from that. Only the mechanics of this game made it close.
I'm not the only person that feels that way marv. And rayn wasn't going to get lynched in a normal setup.
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On February 07 2014 19:23 raynpelikoneet wrote:marv you are going to mislynch me a lot in the future.
nha, playing town will refuel you with hapiness and it will be obvious.
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On February 07 2014 19:27 DarthPunk wrote:Show nested quote +On February 07 2014 18:52 marvellosity wrote:On February 07 2014 15:58 DarthPunk wrote:
It was VERY imbalanced in favor of town.
I know, because there were very few ways to win as scum, and I was trying to think of them.
Anyway. I'm just going to avoid funky setups in the future.
Also about behavior, prome you and marv were just as big a dick as rayn and I, perhaps more so, and you were town.
Pay attention to this wave post from a third party not directly involved in the fight.
Lol are you seriously making this argument? You intentionally try to tilt me and call me "fucking useless" at the start and whatever else you were saying to me, and you're attacking me/us for being dicks? Are you for realsies? haha.As I said earlier, mafia won't win any type of setup with 2/3 mafia outed on day 1. The only reason it got close was because people used a light version of dickmove analysis to call you town and town rushed things after artanis and rayn were shot. In the end townies had to get 3/4 shots right or lose the game. I mean imagine this is a standard 9-3 or 10-3 setup and 2 mafia get caught on day 1. Mafia are totally fucked, no way back from that. Only the mechanics of this game made it close. I'm not the only person that feels that way marv. And rayn wasn't going to get lynched in a normal setup.
Didn't say I wasn't a dick, but you're literally saying "omg you dicks" when your plan was to TRY TO MAKE ME PLAY LIKE THAT. You're saying it as if it's some surprise.
And yes I would have got rayn lynched. I always get my man lynched. Always.
edit: the reason I'm laughing is because you sat there poking me with a stick repeatedly. and marv-bear got angry, as expected. and now post-game you're going "well marv was a dick too!". Well yes, you sat there poking a bear with a stick. Quelle surprise. And as if "and you were town" lends anything to any argument, I just sat there being poked with a stick by evil scummers.
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On February 07 2014 19:29 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On February 07 2014 19:27 DarthPunk wrote:On February 07 2014 18:52 marvellosity wrote:On February 07 2014 15:58 DarthPunk wrote:
It was VERY imbalanced in favor of town.
I know, because there were very few ways to win as scum, and I was trying to think of them.
Anyway. I'm just going to avoid funky setups in the future.
Also about behavior, prome you and marv were just as big a dick as rayn and I, perhaps more so, and you were town.
Pay attention to this wave post from a third party not directly involved in the fight.
Lol are you seriously making this argument? You intentionally try to tilt me and call me "fucking useless" at the start and whatever else you were saying to me, and you're attacking me/us for being dicks? Are you for realsies? haha.As I said earlier, mafia won't win any type of setup with 2/3 mafia outed on day 1. The only reason it got close was because people used a light version of dickmove analysis to call you town and town rushed things after artanis and rayn were shot. In the end townies had to get 3/4 shots right or lose the game. I mean imagine this is a standard 9-3 or 10-3 setup and 2 mafia get caught on day 1. Mafia are totally fucked, no way back from that. Only the mechanics of this game made it close. I'm not the only person that feels that way marv. And rayn wasn't going to get lynched in a normal setup. Didn't say I wasn't a dick, but you're literally saying "omg you dicks" when your plan was to TRY TO MAKE ME PLAY LIKE THAT. You're saying it as if it's some surprise. And yes I would have got rayn lynched. I always get my man lynched. Always.
I doubt it. but w/e.
I called you fucking useless, then you went on a rampage so i kept pushing your buttons basically. I'm not saying it was bad, but for prome to chastise me when you were both as bad, if not worse, than I was, whilst playing against your win condition with your rage out's is hypocritical.
Also marv, you have called me useless a whole bunch of times, as town, so getting all butthurt like you did and then blaming that behavior on me is just lol. I saw a weakness {your ego/rage) and exploited it. I kind of regret it because the atmosphere of the game turned to shit and it was not fun, but there you go.
If you and prome hadn't been so dickish this game (and you were) I would have gained nothing from provoking you.
oh and by the way. I did absolutely NOTHING to provoke prome. He was a dick all by himself.
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