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DarthPunk
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Australia10857 Posts
February 07 2014 03:17 GMT
#1521
On February 07 2014 12:16 marvellosity wrote:
In any game where 2/3 of the mafia team are outed on day 1, mafia are gonna have a hard time, regardless of setup.


I Mean yeah that made it harder. But the setup is still breakable in towns favor in a variety of situations.
"If I wanted your opinion, I'd have told you what it was."
DarthPunk
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Australia10857 Posts
February 07 2014 03:19 GMT
#1522
On February 07 2014 12:17 yamato77 wrote:
Anyway, this game was horrible. Everyone had a shit attitude. Scum were talking about conceding during D1. You don't get to complain about balance when you're not even trying.


Yes I do. and I did try. Artanis did not play, and rayn stopped caring.

If you say I did not try you are not reading the game. And if you can't talk about the setup objectively then there is no point discussing it anymore.

:D
"If I wanted your opinion, I'd have told you what it was."
yamato77
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
11589 Posts
February 07 2014 03:19 GMT
#1523
On February 07 2014 12:16 DarthPunk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 07 2014 12:13 yamato77 wrote:
On February 07 2014 12:02 DarthPunk wrote:
On February 07 2014 11:56 Hapahauli wrote:
On February 07 2014 11:55 DarthPunk wrote:
On February 07 2014 11:54 Hapahauli wrote:
On February 07 2014 11:52 LSB wrote:
On February 07 2014 11:50 Hapahauli wrote:
Wait. Why can't mafia self-vote in LYLO?

You get hammered and lose instantly?

Unless you get really ballsy.


LYLO is for ballsy play, no?


Setup super town imba IMO.


Town imba yes. Super town imba? No. That was a product of Rayn and Artanis getting outed too quickly.


You only need one confirmed town to win. Scum get no way to deal with good town players without suiciding. Win con is harder than normal, Scum have no initiative to make plays and totally rely on town misplaying in IML which by it's nature rarely happens with infinite time.

We mis-lynched 4 straight times and still lost because LSB could

a.) self vote when scum could not

and

b.) Was confirmed town and you only need one alive to guarantee a victory.

Maybe i'm biased, But i don't think I am and I certanily won't play this setup again.

Thanks for hosting though. :D

Scum qt:http://www.quicktopic.com/50/H/8EDMN7jGwWtT

Apologies in advance to marv and prome for all the venting at your expense.

Also, prome was scum MVP cause we literally had to rely on prome shooting Artanis over Rayn or town would have won instantly cause marv would be confirmed and then all town needed to do was lynch town reads and shoot scum reads.

The objective is NOT mislynching necessarily, it is to look townie enough to not get shot when a townie is lynched. None of you did that well at all.


I was a universal town read Yamato. and if you look too townie town will lynch you to shoot your scum reads (marv, Prome) That is the best way to play.

But you can't be lynched as scum, so you can't do the thing town will do and if you look scummy you get shot. Hue.

If you think the best play is to lynch the townie looking players, you're delusional.

If those first two shots went wrong, town loses instantly.
Writer@WriterYamato
Keirathi
Profile Joined May 2012
United States4679 Posts
February 07 2014 03:21 GMT
#1524
Well shit. I checked the thread from my phone at work like 2 hours ago and it was still day 2. Now the game is over.

Holy shit that was crazy. GG fellas.
My dear friend if I have gone pants on head, you have gone socks on ears!!! -ShiaoPi
DarthPunk
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Australia10857 Posts
February 07 2014 03:24 GMT
#1525
On February 07 2014 12:19 yamato77 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 07 2014 12:16 DarthPunk wrote:
On February 07 2014 12:13 yamato77 wrote:
On February 07 2014 12:02 DarthPunk wrote:
On February 07 2014 11:56 Hapahauli wrote:
On February 07 2014 11:55 DarthPunk wrote:
On February 07 2014 11:54 Hapahauli wrote:
On February 07 2014 11:52 LSB wrote:
On February 07 2014 11:50 Hapahauli wrote:
Wait. Why can't mafia self-vote in LYLO?

You get hammered and lose instantly?

Unless you get really ballsy.


LYLO is for ballsy play, no?


Setup super town imba IMO.


Town imba yes. Super town imba? No. That was a product of Rayn and Artanis getting outed too quickly.


You only need one confirmed town to win. Scum get no way to deal with good town players without suiciding. Win con is harder than normal, Scum have no initiative to make plays and totally rely on town misplaying in IML which by it's nature rarely happens with infinite time.

We mis-lynched 4 straight times and still lost because LSB could

a.) self vote when scum could not

and

b.) Was confirmed town and you only need one alive to guarantee a victory.

Maybe i'm biased, But i don't think I am and I certanily won't play this setup again.

Thanks for hosting though. :D

Scum qt:http://www.quicktopic.com/50/H/8EDMN7jGwWtT

Apologies in advance to marv and prome for all the venting at your expense.

Also, prome was scum MVP cause we literally had to rely on prome shooting Artanis over Rayn or town would have won instantly cause marv would be confirmed and then all town needed to do was lynch town reads and shoot scum reads.

The objective is NOT mislynching necessarily, it is to look townie enough to not get shot when a townie is lynched. None of you did that well at all.


I was a universal town read Yamato. and if you look too townie town will lynch you to shoot your scum reads (marv, Prome) That is the best way to play.

But you can't be lynched as scum, so you can't do the thing town will do and if you look scummy you get shot. Hue.

If you think the best play is to lynch the townie looking players, you're delusional.

If those first two shots went wrong, town loses instantly.


Not at the start. But as soon as one player is confirmed town. That is exactly what you do.

You lynch people likely to be town and shoot your scum reads to deny their shot and then ride the one confirmed town to unwinnable lylo of scum.

The fact that town cannot lose in 2-1 lylo with 1 confirmed town is not balanced yamato.
"If I wanted your opinion, I'd have told you what it was."
DarthPunk
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Australia10857 Posts
February 07 2014 03:26 GMT
#1526
Especially when scum has no way to shoot that confirmed town unless they get lynched.
"If I wanted your opinion, I'd have told you what it was."
Keirathi
Profile Joined May 2012
United States4679 Posts
February 07 2014 03:26 GMT
#1527
I agree with DP here. If town didn't get a shot after 2v1 LYLO (because scum generally wins when they equal town, not outnumber), then I think it would have been fine. The extra shot just made the game nigh unwinnable.
My dear friend if I have gone pants on head, you have gone socks on ears!!! -ShiaoPi
DarthPunk
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Australia10857 Posts
February 07 2014 03:30 GMT
#1528
Can i Have the obs thread someone? Even though I am afraid of what I might find Q_Q
"If I wanted your opinion, I'd have told you what it was."
Keirathi
Profile Joined May 2012
United States4679 Posts
February 07 2014 03:30 GMT
#1529
There wasn't an obs thread, just a Skype chat. Made me sad because I dont have skype
My dear friend if I have gone pants on head, you have gone socks on ears!!! -ShiaoPi
DarthPunk
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Australia10857 Posts
February 07 2014 03:31 GMT
#1530
On February 07 2014 12:30 Keirathi wrote:
There wasn't an obs thread, just a Skype chat. Made me sad because I dont have skype




Did you have me as scum keir?
"If I wanted your opinion, I'd have told you what it was."
Keirathi
Profile Joined May 2012
United States4679 Posts
February 07 2014 03:33 GMT
#1531
Nah, but last time I looked at you was day 1 and I was sure about Artanis and rayn first. I would have certainly lynched HolyFlare over you, but between you, Ceph, and Wave i would have had to do some digging.

(Ofc I had marv and LSB as like 99.99999% town.)
My dear friend if I have gone pants on head, you have gone socks on ears!!! -ShiaoPi
DarthPunk
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Australia10857 Posts
February 07 2014 03:35 GMT
#1532
On February 07 2014 12:33 Keirathi wrote:
Nah, but last time I looked at you was day 1 and I was sure about Artanis and rayn first. I would have certainly lynched HolyFlare over you, but between you, Ceph, and Wave i would have had to do some digging.

(Ofc I had marv and LSB as like 99.99999% town.)


Well that is good. You have the best track record in reading me after all.
"If I wanted your opinion, I'd have told you what it was."
Keirathi
Profile Joined May 2012
United States4679 Posts
February 07 2014 03:36 GMT
#1533
To be perfectly honest though, I dont remember the "triggers" i used to have to read you as scum
My dear friend if I have gone pants on head, you have gone socks on ears!!! -ShiaoPi
DarthPunk
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Australia10857 Posts
February 07 2014 03:38 GMT
#1534
On February 07 2014 12:36 Keirathi wrote:
To be perfectly honest though, I dont remember the "triggers" i used to have to read you as scum


It was like attacking weak players and dropping good cases for no reason. OR something.
"If I wanted your opinion, I'd have told you what it was."
Keirathi
Profile Joined May 2012
United States4679 Posts
February 07 2014 03:39 GMT
#1535
Ah yea, well neither one of those would have been particularly relevant in this game anyways.
My dear friend if I have gone pants on head, you have gone socks on ears!!! -ShiaoPi
Oatsmaster
Profile Joined October 2012
United States16628 Posts
February 07 2014 05:24 GMT
#1536
no scum should attack town marv.
No gg, No skill.
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
February 07 2014 06:06 GMT
#1537
Wow... 2 Mafia lynched and endgame while I was sleeping :O It was an interesting setup but it was probably too encouraged for town to suicide -> shoot...
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
February 07 2014 06:06 GMT
#1538
*shot
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
February 07 2014 06:15 GMT
#1539
GG anyways, good shots by town!
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
February 07 2014 06:20 GMT
#1540
On February 07 2014 14:24 Oatsmaster wrote:
no scum should attack town marv.


I also experienced the painful results of that in my last scumgame
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
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