Newbie Mini Mafia LII

On February 16 2014 12:22 Cavalinho wrote:
Let the games begin. I've been dying for the game to start.

On February 16 2014 13:15 Cavalinho wrote:


That was...A rather poor reaction to what was obviously a joke vote.

On February 17 2014 04:36 N1k0 wrote:
Cool this started, sup guys.
p.d: No idea what we should be doing on day 1.

On February 16 2014 12:21 Valenius wrote:
Good evening I'm heading to bed now, UK Time (03:00), see you all in a bit!

On February 16 2014 13:01 Cavalinho wrote:


Lets take this outside, I don't even care. Hold my earrings.

##vote IAmRobik

On February 16 2014 14:45 Amiko wrote:
I don't really know how to start a good discussion d1 but here is at least a little information me I can volunteer:
This will be my first forum mafia game! I have read a few threads but I do not recognize any of the players in this game. I have played epicmafia sometimes and have watched a few streams (pope, ring, ello, koibu). I am townsided this game.
I will be up for another hour or so tonight, but usually I do not post early in the mornings here though (US MST).

So far I like that Beneather asked about the modpost for innocent child! Thanks for remembering.

When I don't have information yet I like voting for non-active people. Right now that's theDragoon, n1k0, and OnceKing. But, I want to hold my vote for a little longer since the game just started. And it will be an implicit promise I will not be afk or lurking because I have to come back before the deadline to vote

On February 16 2014 16:06 theDragoon wrote:
Nice, we finally got this started, all that early voting made me lol a bit. Gonna hit the sack soon, see ya'll tomorrow

On February 17 2014 05:05 OnceKing wrote:
Alright guys, here's what I think -- Amiko is lookin' awfully shady.

Why? Look at his introductory post. What do you immediately note about it? Probably that it's huge (relative to the rest of the posts this game).
So this by itself doesn't mean anything. But let's examine the contents of this post.
Paragraph 1: Random stuff about not having played before, a random claim to be townie when no one asked, and other filler. Oh, and an excuse to be regularly inactive. This is all filler.
Paragraph 2: Gives a list of inactives like three hours into the game and promises he'll be back after refusing to actually cast suspicion on anyone.

All in all, there's really no reason for this post to be so large and say so much fluff unless he's just trying to look helpful.
##VOTE Amiko

On February 17 2014 06:03 Lord Tolkien wrote:
Alright, since we're apparently getting into srs bzns the opening of Day 1,

1) Given the last of mod post, I'm going to assume that there isn't an innocent child. That also means we might not have other roles either.

2) On Amiko, he's (she's?) been helpful thus far at least in providing a spreadsheet copy for us to use. That being said, his post-role post is, as you guys noted, is kinda scummy.


I disagree with this point. There's no reason to lynch lurkers Day 1 where there's limited information for them to participate anyways. The later the game goes, the more valid an option it becomes. But right now this post was pretty incredibly unhelpful, even if I do appreciate the town read.

That being said, for an opening post I'm not yet entirely convinced to bandwagon. I'd prefer a stronger case to be brought up.

On February 17 2014 06:23 Amiko wrote:
Oh, two other points:

(1) Game experience is already showing that it is something we can use to evaluate-



(2) In reflection, I guess it would appear less scummy for my first post to be like everyone else and randomly vote without providing any information on myself. So, three questions:
If I were mafia, why would I try to stand out?
Did my post contribute more or less helpful than any of the other first day posts?

I think my first post contributed to town, certainly more than the other meaningless d1 posts:
1- It identified my reasoning for how I would vote if I had no scumreads
2- It told you when to expect inactivity and when I would have no excuse for inactivity


Also I disagree with Tolkein's comment re lynching idle players. The longer the game goes, the more information we have from active players. Between our copchecks and filters, the players who are talking will be easier to attack for our inconsistencies and our analysis. Silent players don't provide town with any information, and more importantly they won't scumhunt during the day.

On February 17 2014 07:29 OnceKing wrote:
Uh, who CARES if any of us have prior experience in a different situation?
And why does this being a newbie game mean we should be more forgiving towards scummy posts? This will only let scum hide even more.

And now I'll respond to what Amiko wrote hopefully convincing others to put up their votes and cases:


1) No. I am NOT discouraging long posts. *I* had a relatively long post. I am encouraging CONSTRUCTIVE posts, and discouraging people posting a bunch of crap and pretending that it's good just because of its length.
2) Completely and randomly out of place. What was the context of you saying this? Nothing, it was just... there. For no reason whatsoever, as compared to Cavalinho's statement that he was cleared or cleared people or whatever in the context of banter about being clear.
3) No
4) Ok yes this makes sense but I'm not convinced this isn't a reason you made up to justify your excuses.

Congrats, you're completely misinterpreting what I've said (points 1 and 2) or said something completely wrong (point 3). I'm only more convinced you're scum now.

On February 17 2014 08:14 Lord Tolkien wrote:

His rationale was that you stated that you had originally pegged his post as scummy, but didn't post until after OnceKing made the initial case. Which, honestly, in the current Day 1 climate of no info is as decently sound as we'll get.

Since we have to lynch someone (I don't think we can go for no lynchings), I'm fine lynching Amiko and, assuming we have a Cop, checking either you (most favorable) or OnceKing (I read him as townish, but just to make sure). How we move forward Day 2 depends on how Amiko reads and if we get a red read (which isn't reliable since Godfather, and we probably have a 33%-50% chance of that being the fake read we get, and we might not have a Cop), but unless something new comes up, that's my (newbie) analysis of what we should do.

I may be painting a target on my back to get mafia-killed, but whatever.

On February 17 2014 08:16 Lord Tolkien wrote:
I'm not entirely convinced that Amiko is red, but I don't think at this point it matters.

##vote Amiko

Depending on the flip:
1) Die scum die
2) Sorry mang, but take one for the town

On February 17 2014 09:16 Valenius wrote:


Is that from experience, or a (logical) guess?

On February 17 2014 09:26 OnceKing wrote:
can we please focus more on scumhunting and less on setup...
Valenius what are your reads? More specifically I'd like to know what you think of Cavalinho and Lord Tolkien but other reads are welcome.

On February 17 2014 12:28 Lord Tolkien wrote:

I meant that if I were a blue. There's no reason for a cop or somesuch to be forward/active in Day 1, because it draws attention to themselves for a night kill from mafia. The only blue role (if I am a blue) that leads you to think I would be is a Veteran because I can soak a night shot.

Assuming I'm not vanilla town or mafia, which are the other logical possibilities. I'm willing to bet the same thing generally with OnceKing, and probably Caval as well. Green, veteran, or mafia are the likely choices.

On February 17 2014 12:46 Amiko wrote:
Some thoughts:

Cavalinho: Let's start here. As I said earlier, I think his suggestion that he wanted to vote for me but didn't act on it is scummy. What makes it worse is this post, where he does something similar:



Again, Cavalinho says he had a thought or analysis, but didn't act on it. He doesn't say what points he agreed or disagreed with, and is attempting to align himself with another player without offering anything.

I read players that bandwagon without providing reasons as more likely to be mafia than noncontributing players. If Beneather or n1k0 provide a post with nothing more than a vote, I would raise the same criticism about them. Idle players are good when we lack information, but when someone acts scummy and continues to act scummy they take a higher priority.

But, it gets worse for Cavalinho.
First he said he wanted to vote for me before the first vote.
Then, he said he was probably on the right track.
Then he said he considered Lord Tolkein, but decided he should still go after me.

Then, you get this:



If Cavalinho wanted more reads, this was the absolute wrong way to end the post. He should be pressuring the people he wants reads from.
I see this post as trying to appear unsure - I think it's clear that my number one suspicion was on him, so when I flip town it'll look bad for him, so this is an opportunity to start looking for someone he can target on day 2. This is hedging his bets and it isn't doing anything for town.

IAmRobik: I have a slight scum read on him because of the ambiguity of his post.



It doesn't say he agrees or disagrees. And, he doesn't follow up on his question at all. I think he should explain his posts and provide some analysis or at least weigh in on one side or the other for my post..

LordTolkein:
This post concerned me



If you are town, it should be super relevant whether I am mafia. I've given some explanation of my playstyle and I'm the focus of day 1. If you are town, you should be wondering about my side because it may be the only information you get going into day 2. If you are town, why are you willing to enter the next day with as little information as you have?
This is at worst a scumslip, and at best it's the wrong attitude to have.
I don't want to base too much off this comment, but it made him lean scum for me.

OnceKing: I discussed OnceKing somewhat earlier. In summary, although he is voting for me and I am town, I think he's at least directed town toward some useful discussion and provided reasoning. More importantly, he's followed that up by pressuring for thoughts of other players.
I don't like that he is leading a lynch on me, but and I think he has selectively misinterpreted my posts twice. But as I said before I think this is town-favored play because it has helped conversation..

theDragoon & Valenius: I'm not sure. They have contributed a little but I don't have a read yet. I would like to ask both, if you were to pick someone other than me to lynch, who would you pick and why? If I am lynched and flip green, what will your thoughts be on Cavalinho &

Beneather, [b]n1ko[b/]: Nothing to read yet. I would also like to know what they think of Cavalinho since I fingered him in response. I'd also like to know whether they can commit to being more active in the coming days because right now we have no information to use.


Regardless of whether you agree with me, I think you should at least be dissatisfied with the contributions you have gotten from most of town today. I hope you do not vote me, I will certainly keep on contributing while I am alive. Hopefully I can persuade you to change your minds to avoid a mislynch.

On February 18 2014 01:08 OnceKing wrote:
IAmRobik:
You say some posts by Lord Tolkien are bad. Why are they bad? Just pointing out random things and calling them bad isn't going to help us.

N1k0:
You say you've been lurking but you've only got one read? What about the enormous mess between Lord Tolkien and myself?? What's your opinion on that situation?

On February 18 2014 01:08 Valenius wrote:


I would love to hear your reason for this.

On February 18 2014 03:49 IAmRobik wrote:
n1k0 spoke up and everyone shut down. This leads me to believe that n1k0 is town. Mafia are Tolkien and Valenius. GGWP town wins.

On February 18 2014 09:14 OnceKing wrote:
I agree that N1k0 has not contributed enough if really at all despite IAmRobik's statement that he has, but neither has Beneather. I can't see any contradiction in N1k0's post, just uncertainty in his vote placement. In addition he himself is now OMGUSing despite talking so much about it being bad earlier... what's up with that?

On February 19 2014 09:16 N1k0 wrote:
@Amiko ill try to respond to your post in about 1~2 hours when im able to dedicate enough time.




If you were so sure of Cavalihno being an obvious town why did you vote for me instead of voting Tolkien which was the way you could save the obvious town? especially since you were the last one to vote.

On February 18 2014 00:26 IAmRobik wrote:
Pages 4 and 5:


This post is super scummy:



This post is super towny, which is why I rescinded and said that he's town:


Whereas some people find this post by Amiko to be scummy, I think the opposite. I like this post a lot:



Up to this point, there's no scummier post than this one:

On February 16 2014 16:06 theDragoon wrote:
Nice, we finally got this started, all that early voting made me lol a bit. Gonna hit the sack soon, see ya'll tomorrow

I don't know what this says about OnceKing's alignment, but the fact that he jumps on Amiko's post is pretty meh in my opinion. Amiko makes, what I consider to be, a good post and onceking focuses on the fact that it's long and has no content? Besides length, none of the posts really have content up to this point...I will say though that I like the fact that Onceking actually provided some conent here. Probably more towny, but still don't like this post overall:



Not gonna quote the end of the page, but Cavalinho is securing himself as my top town read based off of how freely he is speaking with regard to the Amiko situation and how openly he is aligning himself with OnceKing. This doesn't mean that I think OnceKing is town, but I don't think that Cavalinho's logic would be so easy to follow if he was mafia.