Normal Mini Mafia: Episode I

On January 20 2014 09:23 VisceraEyes wrote:
Hi guys. I'm town. Kush's plan is stupid. I'm KINDA okay with Boxers claiming. It certainly forces scum into an uncomfortable position of choosing now whether to fake-claim it.

On January 20 2014 11:26 VisceraEyes wrote:
It does NOT matter if scum figure out the setup before town does...in fact given the nature of this game that is pretty much a given. What DOES matter it's that we not tell them exactly what it is ON DAY ONE BEFORE WE GET ANY INFO OURSELVES, which is very possible if we have boxers claim.

Is it worth the risk? I'm starting to think not, but want other opinions.

On January 20 2014 22:39 VisceraEyes wrote:
I don't believe the claim. He said he doesn't think boxers should claim and immediately claims? He was either lying then or he is lying now... his play makes more sense if he is scum.

On January 20 2014 22:51 suki wrote:
I think Rayn is stretching a bit with his conclusions but that he's pointed out Bum's general attitude this far: Bum is sitting on the fence in general, and he's not contributing to scum hunting.

Bum, who do you find scummy and why?

On January 20 2014 22:44 VisceraEyes wrote:
Yeah that all looks really bad.

On January 20 2014 23:04 VisceraEyes wrote:
What do you think of bum kush? I liked rayns post on the matter, and agree he looks bad. What do you think?

On January 20 2014 23:09 VisceraEyes wrote:
I think the timing is such that it is more likely to be a scum fakeclaim than town, but I'm not 100% sold on it. The more we talk about it, the more I can see a townie just not caring what he said earlier, and I guess it's less likely that scum would do something completely against what they previously went on record saying.

I can give Slam more time I guess.

##Unvote
##Vote bumatlarge

I find it hilarious how both your points already counter one another. In the first you say you pointed out a mistake in Kush's reasoning so you can't both be scum, in the second you say a scum should lay into you.

On January 20 2014 18:33 bumatlarge wrote:

I disagree, the only reason you think it's reasonable is because he is holding back because he probably wrong about you. I'm just working out what I can remember from VE if he posts like this as town.

On January 21 2014 10:03 raynpelikoneet wrote:
What's changed between these posts?

On January 21 2014 10:55 kushm4sta wrote:
@thrawn do you think it's a fair assessment to say that you aren't really trying this game?

On January 21 2014 03:05 raynpelikoneet wrote:
What? Look at his case on VE again. Nothing ends with "he is mafia because of this". Everything ends in "but he could do that as town too so i am unsure".

On January 21 2014 01:47 bumatlarge wrote:
You'd think I'd vote for him, BUT THERE IS ACTUALLY SOMEONE EVEN WORSE. VisceraEyes ladies and gentlemen!



Rayn's inane posting visibly having its effect on people. I'm allowed to be somewhat reserved in the first hour I enter the threa suki. And even then, if you read my posts, I am clearly not on the fence. The only thing holing me back from lynching VE is that I know he can be silly sometimes, but even afterwards, it perpetuates in all his posts even after the fact. he is mafia because of this



I'm assuming this is referencing rayn's post. he is mafia because of this

I have to restrain myself from calling this the worst post, because I've witnessed townies doing this. he is mafia because of this. Rayn makes a post about me. All of it is wrong. VE in the most generic and assuming way possible, agrees with it. Again, I've seen a townie do this, and I want to be sure about this. he is mafia because of this. I mean, VE might have just skimmed it an be reconsidering agreeing. he is mafia because of this anyway




Alright, I can't ignore this blatant display of anti-town.

1. Blinly agrees with bad analysis. Maybe that's subjective, and I'm biased because it is against me. I'd make this point null. he is mafia because of this
2. Fails to support his own view, AND PROCEEDS TO ASK SOMEONE ELSES OPINION ON THAT. he is mafia because of this. Looks like he wants to talk about it, but has no interest in actually doing that. Why not ask someone else to do it for you while doing nothing yourself? he is mafia because of this. I don't even think VE planned it out that way, it was just instinct. he is mafia because of this
3. This asinine persistence to post about VT claims that have nothing to do with day 1. he is mafia because of this. WHO CARES WHOS CLAIMING IT. It one of the most dead-end conversations I have ever seen. he is mafia because of this. And it's WIFOM. Anyone can say it with 0 detriment, and I would have no opinion on it as of right now. he is mafia because of this

PSA: BUM IS A CLAIMED VT. THAT IS ALL, CONTINUE SKIMMING THIS BECAUSE I KNOW YOU AREN'T ACTUALLY READING THIS POST. YOU DUMB BASTARDS he is mafia because of this

##Vote VisceraEyeshe is mafia because of this

On January 21 2014 12:44 thrawn2112 wrote:
bum what's your flavor name

On January 20 2014 21:44 zarepath wrote:
I thought VE was talking about the two different plans, kush's "don't lynch anyone who claims blue" plan and the Boxer claim plan. I don't know what he was talking about with the "2 is pretty potent" quote, I have no idea what he's saying. But I didn't think he was inconsistent while reading him because he had two different opinions on two different plans.

On January 20 2014 21:48 zarepath wrote:
@Thrawn, VE's vote seemed premature to me because I didn't really see a super early blue claim as scummy, but not wholly unreasonable considering Wile WAS directly contradicting everything he had said earlier.

On January 21 2014 06:32 zarepath wrote:


Yes, since it's completely unreasonable for you to have to defend yourself against scum suspicions, right? Any town that would do that DESERVES to lose!

On January 22 2014 08:40 thrawn2112 wrote:
hi rayn

*hi-five*

On January 22 2014 01:22 zarepath wrote:
I could join a bum scum wagon for his rationale of ending his VE assault, notably because of this:



Followed by this:



If he did not ACTUALLY think he would never take his vote off without VE satisfactorily answering his questions (which is the case, as evidenced by him taking his vote off of him), what was the purpose of stating it in such a dramatic way? I'm thinking for appearance, which is actually backed up by the second quote, where he shares his rationale for dropping the vote, which is purely because of what everyone else thinks.

The ideal townie would pursue his read no matter what, but a non-ideal townie isn't necessarily scum. What shouts scummy to me is the transparent motivation of focusing on how everyone else perceives his arguments, and not on his arguments themselves.

On January 20 2014 22:42 raynpelikoneet wrote:

Scum hunting is not strong with that one. The first part is entirely false and that's all he's talking about.

Again implying the claim is true, and now he is not really suspicious of VE in the end.

On January 21 2014 02:20 bumatlarge wrote:
Sure balla



In no way is it "entirely false". Suki points out multiple lapses in VE's thought process. You can change your mind, but throwing phrases out like, "that's dumb" or "I'm indifferent" are strong blanket statements to lay down. Clearly VE is either rapidly changing his mind throughout his posts, giving us no indication of where it's going, or he is not thinking his posts through, which he shouldn't be doing as town. I say point out that VE is capable of doing this as town.



Anytime you use the word "imply", it means you are trying to read into something deeper into the post. I do mean I believed Wile, but it was because I thought VE was scummy, and I was appealing to Wile to look at it from his viewpoint if he were town.

Now, if you fail to see that I'm "implying" that I have a scum read on VE here, you wouldn't assume I was suspicious of him in the first place. Rayn did read into it that I thought VE is scum, but rather chooses to view it that I'm tripping over my own reads, which is clearly not what I'm saying, and Rayn knows this.

"I'm just working out what I can remember from VE if he posts like this as town"

Interpretation is key. I clearly mean "I think VE is scum, and the only thing making me reconsider is if he actually posts like this as town." I have played quite a few games with VE, but they were a while ago. All in all, I think Rayn misconstrued what I said here, an possibly purposefully. Townies do do this with analysis, because they want to be right, especially if an ego is present, and interpretation is where alot of analyses hit speed bumps. I do think Rayn is scum here though.

On January 23 2014 02:44 VisceraEyes wrote:
His spoilered post to me came at a time when I had JUST voted for Balla remember. I voted Balla, I think Barri did or someone...anyway, a wagon was brewing on Balla, and suddenly Bum comes in with a long spoiler post directed specifically at me? I mean, coincidences happen, but Bum opted to do NOTHING ELSE with the game except perpetuate his fail-tunnel.

On January 22 2014 07:37 kushm4sta wrote:
so what happened is i thought i was a named VT and only named vts got names.

On January 22 2014 07:38 kushm4sta wrote:
I thought omg rayn is claiming named vt like i am

On January 22 2014 07:38 kushm4sta wrote:
then rayn said
"everyone gets named"
i looked back and noticed i was green

On January 22 2014 07:40 kushm4sta wrote:

I THOUGHT i was named vt just because i had a name.
I didn't realize normal vts got names.

On January 23 2014 04:14 VisceraEyes wrote:
LMAO

Except I'm like confirmed town and Bum is being ridiculous. He's literally trying to discredit me without any justification or reason.

On January 23 2014 04:05 VisceraEyes wrote:
Artanis is a good place to start.

On January 23 2014 04:30 VisceraEyes wrote:
Then we lynch JL first I don't even care.

On January 23 2014 04:42 VisceraEyes wrote:
Can someone explain to me how I didn't answer the two questions bum asked me in his spoiler? He keeps accusing me of not answering them, when I quite expressly did answer them, so I need some help understanding because I'm too REALLY REALLY UNINTELLIGENT to figure it out.

On January 23 2014 04:48 VisceraEyes wrote:
Read the posts Rayn. Read his spoiler, and read my response. I answered his questions. He's literally appealing to people NOT reading the thread. If I can get people who are READING the thread to see that he's scum, then this game is over.

On January 23 2014 06:32 BarristanTheBold wrote:
Yea, like i pointed out earlier. I've played with scum Artanis, and scum Artanis doesn't try very hard and attempts to just coast by.

The thing that makes me pause, though, is why would scum Artanis keep pushing the kush lynch over the balla lynch to the very end? It seems almost suicidal, unless Kush, Artanis, and Balla are all 3 scum and Artanis was trying to save the RB and get the town cred for the kush lynch.

On January 22 2014 07:34 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Where is everyone? Barristan, why aren't you engaging in conversation? It's probably between Kush and Bum today. Who do you think is scummier and why?

On January 23 2014 11:09 VisceraEyes wrote:





So which is it bum? Are we overestimating or underestimating your scum game?

On January 21 2014 07:52 JonnyLaw wrote:
##unvote
##vote kushmasta


I think kush is scum. I think balla is scum. I think kush put a bus vote on balla and got an easy out when I said something. No one else will vote balla. Lynch kush.

On January 22 2014 03:01 JonnyLaw wrote:
Balla I still think you're scum.

You post essentially nothing this game. Then you pop back into the thread and pick a convenient lurker to lynch. You're not making an effort to solve this game.

How is sheeping rayn by saying he's here to move the game forward any type of acceptable play? In the last game you kept commenting oh how you play too nicely and trying to FIND SCUM while I randomly harassed people into talking.

you ask questions, but pose them doubtfully like you're not sure and don't care if they're answered. Your play this game is completely scummy. in 40 hours all you've managed to conclude is that rayn (nine pages of filter) is town and you can sheep him safely while crossfire (one page of filter) looks bad so you can post something without fear of him coming back at you with a defense.

On January 22 2014 03:56 JonnyLaw wrote:
##unvote
[b]##vote zarepath[b]

Yeah, your last post sealed it for me. Your explanation for bum being scummy is that he took his vote off VE when no one would follow his lead. You took your vote off VE when you thought it was an easy thing to do. They're not obviously different at all.




He tried to back up his case for two days and it gained no traction. You abandoned yours after two fucking minutes when VE said lynch me if I'm scum. You literally have one post saying I made a case and that's it. After that it's like total 180 and you jump on the same person VE has his vote on.

On January 25 2014 02:16 suki wrote:
He doesn't need to be voting Artanis but I'd like to hear his justification for voting JonnyLaw all the same.

On January 25 2014 03:46 thrawn2112 wrote:
is anyone townreading VE? for a good reason?

if nobody can answer i think that's a good reason to vote him