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On January 20 2014 09:25 kushm4sta wrote: Why is it dumb?? this is a conversation i wanted to have pregame btw but no one talked. VE it's demonstrably a bad move for scum to fake claim named VT. No scum is ever going to fake claim named VT unless it's as some last second thing to save their ass for another day. The whole point of the plan is to prevent scum from even having the option to do the bolded. It's dumb because of what rayn said - you're literally saying "Anyone who claims blue is immune to the lynch". Literally. What is stopping scum from just claiming blue whenever they're on the block? | ||
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I WILL say that I will likely be more active than I have been in the last few games I've played, if that gives you any indication. | ||
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On January 20 2014 09:55 raynpelikoneet wrote: Nobody should claim at this point. Named VT's (boxers) do not help us in any way now because there is a possibility of 0-3 boxers and claiming does not clear anyone, it only gives mafia information about the setup unless we want all people to claim which we don't. suki, kushmasta does not usually even read his own role PM properly (which is proven by last game for example) so unfortunately that plan does not make him non VT / non named VT and certainly not mafia. Yeah I'm mostly indifferent to the matter. I can see the argument for it not being needed and it giving scum information, but I think it could help us in the future by 1) eliminating scum's ability to fake-claim it on the block and 2) forcing scum to decide now whether they want to fake-claim the role. | ||
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Is it worth the risk? I'm starting to think not, but want other opinions. | ||
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I don't understand the question. Or the accusation. | ||
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His little act about not knowing what a boxer is does not really jive with the claim. Add to that the fact that he claimed 5 hours into the game after being very clear about how he feels about boxers claiming, and it all just looks bad. | ||
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I wouldn't mind some elaboration on his issue with me. | ||
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On January 20 2014 22:43 raynpelikoneet wrote: There is no way Slam is fakeclaiming. It makes no sense at all as he does not even understand what i was accusing him of and it just does not make sense at all.. Dude he was absolutely against boxers claiming and claimed on TWO VOTES. After someone is on record saying we should NOT EVER lynch blue claims. | ||
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It is not dumb for scum to claim Named VT, they are supposed to claim SOMETHING other than Mafia, yes? | ||
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I can give Slam more time I guess. ##Unvote ##Vote bumatlarge | ||
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I'm dumb. LOL | ||
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Specifically what's the problem? Should I respond to the case? I mean one of the quotes you ascribe to me is one of suki's, does that change anything about your case? | ||
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On January 21 2014 01:47 bumatlarge wrote: You'd think I'd vote for him, BUT THERE IS ACTUALLY SOMEONE EVEN WORSE. VisceraEyes ladies and gentlemen! Rayn's inane posting visibly having its effect on people. I'm allowed to be somewhat reserved in the first hour I enter the threa suki. And even then, if you read my posts, I am clearly not on the fence. The only thing holing me back from lynching VE is that I know he can be silly sometimes, but even afterwards, it perpetuates in all his posts even after the fact. I'm assuming this is referencing rayn's post. I have to restrain myself from calling this the worst post, because I've witnessed townies doing this. Rayn makes a post about me. All of it is wrong. VE in the most generic and assuming way possible, agrees with it. Again, I've seen a townie do this, and I want to be sure about this. I mean, VE might have just skimmed it an be reconsidering agreeing- Alright, I can't ignore this blatant display of anti-town. 1. Blinly agrees with bad analysis. Maybe that's subjective, and I'm biased because it is against me. I'd make this point null. 2. Fails to support his own view, AND PROCEEDS TO ASK SOMEONE ELSES OPINION ON THAT. Looks like he wants to talk about it, but has no interest in actually doing that. Why not ask someone else to do it for you while doing nothing yourself? I don't even think VE planned it out that way, it was just instinct. 3. This asinine persistence to post about VT claims that have nothing to do with day 1. WHO CARES WHOS CLAIMING IT. It one of the most dead-end conversations I have ever seen. And it's WIFOM. Anyone can say it with 0 detriment, and I would have no opinion on it as of right now. PSA: BUM IS A CLAIMED VT. THAT IS ALL, CONTINUE SKIMMING THIS BECAUSE I KNOW YOU AREN'T ACTUALLY READING THIS POST. YOU DUMB BASTARDS ##Vote VisceraEyes 1) I'm not "blindly agreeing" with bad analysis, if you think the analysis is bad then that's cool whatever, but I don't think it's bad, I agree with it. I mean, just because you think it's bad doesn't make it bad. So this point is, as bum said, very null. 2) This doesn't make me scum or town either. Rayn made a post about bum, one I agreed with, and kush was receiving some flak from rayn for not doing anything so I asked him to comment on the post about bum. Because bum hadn't been back to comment on the case there wasn't much to add as far as Bum is concerned, so I'm not sure what he's expecting here. This point also doesn't make me scum. 3) More nullery to justify bum's scumread of me. I was discussing the plans OTHERS brought forth. If the ideas were so "asinine" then why not bring it up with the people who brought up the plans? Why is my commenting on them worthy of your lynch? I consider the matter closed. Unless Bum has some actual reasons to think I'm scum, I strongly urge you guys to vote for this guy. | ||
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This is pretty cut and dry Artanis. Bum is scum. You should be voting for him. Not making aimless jabs at me. | ||
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Can you succinctly explain why we're looking at scumKush and not townKush? | ||
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On January 21 2014 04:57 raynpelikoneet wrote: I am not saying anything like that. I was saying i pointed out kush's bad reads and was wondering why you said you liked that about suki but not about me and that was the reason i asked you why you were not reading my posts. Then i realized that was not what you were saying in the first place. You don't need massive cojones to bus if you already know you can't get your buddy lynched, but anyways, i agree with you on bum. Wait why does Artanis get thoughts on Bum but I don't? When I asked you "it depends on what he does next" but for artanis you're green-reading him? WTF? | ||
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On January 20 2014 23:09 VisceraEyes wrote: I think the timing is such that it is more likely to be a scum fakeclaim than town, but I'm not 100% sold on it. The more we talk about it, the more I can see a townie just not caring what he said earlier, and I guess it's less likely that scum would do something completely against what they previously went on record saying. I can give Slam more time I guess. ##Unvote ##Vote bumatlarge I'm going with Occam's Razor and saying Wile is a townie. | ||
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And the cases on me and rayn are what all this experience has yielded? I know that he's completely wrong about at least half of his reads, and the reasoning he gave for having that particular read is fucking TERRIBLE. Do the math guys. | ||
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On January 21 2014 05:19 kushm4sta wrote: You realize the case was in the first few hours of the game? And you are exaggerating how awful it was. No that case really was god-awful too. | ||
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On January 21 2014 10:02 suki wrote: "Because he (is) probably wrong about you" VE is accusing WileE of being scum. Bum thinks WileE is probably town. -> VE is probably wrong about WileE being scum. I don't think it's a slip. If you assume that bum is mafia, then why would he add in 'probably'? To put it another way, if bum had instead said '... he is holding back because he is wrong about you.' that is what I would call a slip, because bum would have just given away the fact that he knows what WileE's alignment is. I read it this way too. I disagree that any kind of slip occurred. | ||
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On January 21 2014 10:12 suki wrote: Several things... First, I felt that it was becoming 'too easy' to attack VE, especially with bum and now zarepath making big cases on him that essentially say the same things but in many words. I felt VE was just reiterating the same thing over and over in his defenses, and the attacks were not coming up with new/interesting points. Second, I feel that his blow up was townie. I also feel that martyrdom is generally a more townie thing to do. However I didn't want to put a lot of stock into it because I haven't played with him and hence can't really interpret his meta. Third, I'm honestly a bit intimidated by you guys. I think rayn, your meta read that he's town is something I can trust for now (at least until we see a bit more from VE). I also felt hurt when VE straight up said he was ignoring me, but that sort of attitude also feels townie to me. I'm only ignoring your posts that call me scum because 1) I've found that is the best way for me to remain objective while trying to read YOUR alignment and 2) I get offended really really easily when people call me scum and rather than pick a fight or start screaming at you, I feel like ignoring the problem altogether is slightly more palatable for everyone. It's nothing personal, and I'm not ignoring all of your posts...just any that call me scum. Because I'm not. | ||
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Like I get townie feels off him, but I just can't understand why you and I are his top reads. It's just mind numbing. I'm gonna filter him and see what I see. | ||
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I'd like to hear your thoughts on Balla when you get back. | ||
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I think there's a distinct lack of anything productive. Almost a full page of filter, and not a single scumread. A few light +1's, but nothing that constitutes an actual opinion. | ||
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On January 21 2014 04:41 raynpelikoneet wrote: I dunno. kush is way scummier than any other person in the game atm. | ||
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Like, someone doesn't go from being "way scummier than any other person in the game" to meta'd town just from pointing out a non-scumslip. | ||
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On January 21 2014 10:38 raynpelikoneet wrote: There are some things town!kush is just incapable of doing. Thinking hard about what someone said is one of them. Okay, but that's information you had when you made the post I quoted. Further, scumKush is equally incapable of thinking hard about what someone says if you think townKush is incapable. Anyway I don't want to dwell on it, I just found your about-face odd considering he was a top scumread. | ||
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Barristan get that out of your head. Bum is a lot of things, but new to this game is not one of them. | ||
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On January 21 2014 11:03 thrawn2112 wrote: why is that your assumption I mean I know that that's a likely town explantion for how tunneled I've been, but why are you assuming that option? Why aren't you suspicious that I've done almost nothing all game except try to get you lynched. But yes I will admit I haven't put much effort into this so far. I guess you're trying to discredit me without having to attack my points or call me mafia? | ||
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You have to convince me. Because rayn has a mystery townread on Kush because of the scumslip thing. | ||
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Now here's the thing. IF kush is scum then bum is almost CERTAINLY scum. Kush is a busser. I know because at my core I'm a busser too and I can smell them. Kush busses his team like every single time he's scum. | ||
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Honestly. Here's my response to your two questions. 1) On January 21 2014 03:23 bumatlarge wrote: Fixed to be more Rayn friendly. I think VE is mafia. he is mafia because of this :D Your response wasn't even a response. It was literally just you adding the phrase "he is mafia because of this" to everything you said jokingly. Like, it fooled rayn, but I'm objectively looking bum. Imagine that. Rayn was right, the way you put that entire post is strewn with verbiage that implies that you KNOW I'm capable of this kind of play as town, but you're certain enough to lynch me first. Over everything else and anyone else. You know I do these things as town, and there's nothing in any of your posting that gives any reasoning for being so certain. Everything you mention, you know I do as town as well. So why me bum? On January 21 2014 03:15 bumatlarge wrote: To a certain point yes, but after point number #2, none of that should be green. VE not planning out himself not talking about me is scummy, because I don't believe he has much to say. And that last point is to drive home how useless what VE thought was important to talk about (Slam). There is a threshold of how scummy you look by how poor you are that you are no longer town. I think VE passed that. Why would me not having much to say about you be scummy? Why would me asking someone else about you necessarily have anything to do with what I think of you anyway? Why can I not be trying to judge HIS alignment based on what he says about you in conjunction with my own thoughts about you? These are all questions you'd have or want, but you don't. You aren't interested in my opinion at all. You vote because you don't like me, by policy. And now you're making shit up to try and justify it. 2) THAT is necessarily scummy to me bum. THAT is why I think you're scum. In conjunction with you blindly agreeing with suki's analysis of me without even reading the situation or my posts at all, you are now trying to make shit up in a spoiler to justify your failtunnel on me. Eat it bum. I don't care if your vote never leaves me. And now it's personal. ##Unvote ##Vote: bumatlarge | ||
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On January 21 2014 12:46 kushm4sta wrote: i dont think this is going to tell us anything I agree with this. | ||
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You then asked me why I think you're scum. I told you. I'm hoping to get you lynched. | ||
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On January 21 2014 14:54 Wile E. Coyote wrote: votecount? ##unvote ##Vote: Crossfire99 I could maybe do this. | ||
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I'm not having doubts about bum, like his response to my question didn't even attempt to answer any of the points I raised. I answered his questions, you may not have seen them because he mysteriously spoilered it out, but he asked me questions and I answered them, jovially and without malice, yet I'm the one who's unreasonable and unworthy of response. I think it's all an act and he's just angry about being caught. Simultaneously it seems like there's some resistance to his lynch that I can't pinpoint. People being more certain of others for instance, or players like yourself who seem suspicious of him but aren't voting for him and are looking for other targets. Can I assume you ask because of my possible willingness to lynch Xfire? | ||
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On January 22 2014 02:49 kushm4sta wrote: @balla what is the contradiction in zarrpaths case on ve? Where he's calling out things in his case that he defended me for earlier on. | ||
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On January 21 2014 12:03 raynpelikoneet wrote: I am pretty sure zarepath is mafia. About half of his stuff in his case on VE has happened before he makes these posts: If he really thinks that stuff in his case is scummy i doubt he would defend VE against other people for the same stuff earlier on.. ##unvote ##Vote: zarepath I'll look into kush tomorrow in more detail. something does not add up in his scumslip finding. | ||
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On January 22 2014 03:06 JonnyLaw wrote: Zerepath seems genuine when he went after VE then even angry when people let VE get away with saying I can't help you if even consider me as scum. This is my feeling too, and the sole reason I'm not voting zare right now. | ||
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I can't read it all in time. I'll read it all after the flip. | ||
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On January 22 2014 08:43 raynpelikoneet wrote: hi thrawn. <3 hmm this is interesting. We got 3 named VT claims. This means either we know the setup or someone is fakeclaiming. You are not, that's for sure, i have a hard time of believing zarepath is either. Or Slam. So i am gonna die. *sigh* Means a lot of work tomorrow. I'm in it with you bro. Let me know what I can do to help. | ||
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Unless keeping the setup hidden from town is of any use - can anyone think of any reason to actively do that as scum? | ||
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Yeah, that pretty much rules out bussing at all. Unless....scum DO have a Godfather, and they bussed the Roleblocker because they know he's useless. | ||
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Bum, by virtue of you being on the right lynch, you're not an insta-vote for me tomorrow. So there's that. If you're town, I earnestly hope we can work together and figure this shit out. | ||
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When I initially noticed Balla and voted for him Jonny had just unvoted and voted for Kush, citing "we can't get Jonny lynched anyway, so lynch Kush I think they both scum" On January 21 2014 07:52 JonnyLaw wrote: ##unvote ##vote kushmasta I think kush is scum. I think balla is scum. I think kush put a bus vote on balla and got an easy out when I said something. No one else will vote balla. Lynch kush. So why is it that once people start LOOKING AT balla, suddenly Jonny is more interested in lynching Kush? On January 22 2014 03:01 JonnyLaw wrote: Balla I still think you're scum. You post essentially nothing this game. Then you pop back into the thread and pick a convenient lurker to lynch. You're not making an effort to solve this game. How is sheeping rayn by saying he's here to move the game forward any type of acceptable play? In the last game you kept commenting oh how you play too nicely and trying to FIND SCUM while I randomly harassed people into talking. you ask questions, but pose them doubtfully like you're not sure and don't care if they're answered. Your play this game is completely scummy. in 40 hours all you've managed to conclude is that rayn (nine pages of filter) is town and you can sheep him safely while crossfire (one page of filter) looks bad so you can post something without fear of him coming back at you with a defense. It certainly seems like he still "thinks Balla is scum", so why not vote? Maybe his next vote will be on Balla.... On January 22 2014 03:56 JonnyLaw wrote: ##unvote [b]##vote zarepath[b] Yeah, your last post sealed it for me. Your explanation for bum being scummy is that he took his vote off VE when no one would follow his lead. You took your vote off VE when you thought it was an easy thing to do. They're not obviously different at all. He tried to back up his case for two days and it gained no traction. You abandoned yours after two fucking minutes when VE said lynch me if I'm scum. You literally have one post saying I made a case and that's it. After that it's like total 180 and you jump on the same person VE has his vote on. Nope...it's on Zarepath. So him saying he's thought Balla was scum like all D1 is pretty meaningless, because when Balla was being discussed, there was never any "Hey yeah! I like that guy for scum too!" or a vote or anything. In fact, when the votes started dropping, Jonny was on the other guy. | ||
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On January 22 2014 23:41 suki wrote: You know what. Fine. I'm sorry I tried to play the game. I'm just horrible at mafia and should just go away forever. Don't do this bbygrl. It's a scum conspiracy to stop you from posting. Fight the power. | ||
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On January 23 2014 02:41 raynpelikoneet wrote: VE who else than Jonny? Do you believe in "kush is mafia" theory? I could be convinced maybe, but I'm thinking Bum is more likely. | ||
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Lynch no one but Bumatlarge tomorrow. You know, just in case. | ||
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The LAST thing he says D1 is "I don't want to lynch Balla, I coached him " This is weird because 1) He has insight into this player, yet he hasn't chosen to share anything about this player - who is now flipped scum. 2) Balla is mentioned maybe 3 times in the entirety of Bum's filter. Go see how many times I'm mentioned. 3) Bum was not on the Balla wagon | ||
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On January 21 2014 02:20 bumatlarge wrote: Sure balla In no way is it "entirely false". Suki points out multiple lapses in VE's thought process. You can change your mind, but throwing phrases out like, "that's dumb" or "I'm indifferent" are strong blanket statements to lay down. Clearly VE is either rapidly changing his mind throughout his posts, giving us no indication of where it's going, or he is not thinking his posts through, which he shouldn't be doing as town. I say point out that VE is capable of doing this as town. Anytime you use the word "imply", it means you are trying to read into something deeper into the post. I do mean I believed Wile, but it was because I thought VE was scummy, and I was appealing to Wile to look at it from his viewpoint if he were town. Now, if you fail to see that I'm "implying" that I have a scum read on VE here, you wouldn't assume I was suspicious of him in the first place. Rayn did read into it that I thought VE is scum, but rather chooses to view it that I'm tripping over my own reads, which is clearly not what I'm saying, and Rayn knows this. "I'm just working out what I can remember from VE if he posts like this as town" Interpretation is key. I clearly mean "I think VE is scum, and the only thing making me reconsider is if he actually posts like this as town." I have played quite a few games with VE, but they were a while ago. All in all, I think Rayn misconstrued what I said here, an possibly purposefully. Townies do do this with analysis, because they want to be right, especially if an ego is present, and interpretation is where alot of analyses hit speed bumps. I do think Rayn is scum here though. Hey, I don't care if you're the goddamn Batman. And you DO interact with Balla...and at a really strange time and for a really strange reason. The post seems contrived, and it looks like you deliberately mention Balla for some reason. | ||
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On January 23 2014 03:43 VisceraEyes wrote: Hey, I don't care if you're the goddamn Batman. And you DO interact with Balla...and at a really strange time and for a really strange reason. The post seems contrived, and it looks like you deliberately mention Balla for some reason. | ||
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On January 23 2014 03:50 bumatlarge wrote: This is so obnoxious, I can't believe you are still doing this. I let you slide because of stupid meta reasons, and you still want to bring up baseless arguments. New material (balla interaction) is fine, and reevaluating older things is even better. But rehashing this stuff does make me mad, and I actually don't want to repeat day 1. Post a case, I'll defend as best I can, and if don't do it well, I get lynched then oh well. You realize you are using the fact that I spoilered an analysis. You realize that is a considerate thing to do, no? But it wasn't an analysis, it was a fluffy, rhetoric-ridden pack of nonsense with two questions. Two questions I answered, and you said that I didn't. | ||
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On January 23 2014 04:01 raynpelikoneet wrote: If he thinks i am mafia he is claiming scum. Like I feel this way too, but I was on the wrong lynch. You were a key vote on that lynch. | ||
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If Bum is town, then Kush might be scum. Kush was all about Balla scum, and he was rock-solid on the Bum lynch WHILE being present. | ||
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On January 23 2014 04:10 raynpelikoneet wrote: I can explain the town read on kush. It's the way he said i claimed named VT at the start of the game and how he explained it later on. I really believe what he says about it. Here: This makes me think he is town, because it makes sense based on what he said and how he acted at the start of the game. Wile E is saying the exact same thing happened to him. Except he waited until after the lynch to say it. | ||
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Except I'm like confirmed town and Bum is being ridiculous. He's literally trying to discredit me without any justification or reason. | ||
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On January 23 2014 04:15 bumatlarge wrote: Can you just read your own filter for a while and let Rayn and I talk? ABSOLUTELY!!!! ^^ | ||
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What do you think of JonnyLaw? | ||
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Oooohhhh it's so obvious it's like trolling. | ||
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Nono, I'm good with JL/Bum for now. | ||
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On January 23 2014 04:32 zarepath wrote: Shouldn't you care, though? Like, a little? I think they're both scum. Why would I care which of them gets lynched first? | ||
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On January 23 2014 04:43 raynpelikoneet wrote: It does not matter. Do you think he would push you like this as mafia? He would know you are town (unless you are both mafia ofc, which i find impossible), why would he do this all? Why not? Why do you think he wouldn't? Of course I think he would, because he is and I think he's mafia. What a weird question. | ||
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This is classic CLASSIC scum behavior. | ||
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On January 23 2014 04:58 zarepath wrote: but you don't care if we lynch JL instead I know. Are you making some kind of point? | ||
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On January 23 2014 06:38 raynpelikoneet wrote: If the named VT claims are true (as i assume - we had 3 of them at that time) RB does not matter as there are no power roles. RB is useless role. Now it's maybe not as Slam retracted from his claim. but JL is mafia or really really dumb town. He retracted his claim after the lynch. Relevant? | ||
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On January 23 2014 07:07 raynpelikoneet wrote: BIG POST. Yes, VE answered bum. He did. bum is probably mafia. Mafia in: JL, bum, Artanis, Bannister. good luck guys! Thx Rayn. You're a bro. | ||
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Where shall we begin class? ##Vote: JonnyLaw | ||
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On January 23 2014 03:39 bumatlarge wrote: Honestly I choose not to interact with because it would be awkward after coaching him. So there is something to what you are reading into. I don't like to lynch/kill new players early to let them play the game. I don't care about vets or myself going in blind since we will come back eventually. New players can easily be discouraged if they are lynched early. That's about the only reason you are finding a connection. I'm bumatlarge, you don't think I know how to ineract with my teammates when I'm scum? On January 23 2014 10:13 bumatlarge wrote: You people are really overestimating my scum game. I think the connection between myself and artanis is null. I don't think Artanis would defend me if we were both scum, he knows I'm volatile. Also, while we both suspected rayn for a time and we both changed that opinion, that is not something that scum do. Based on that alone, one of us being scum would make sense, because tracing a townie's line of thought is fairly scummy, but I don't believe Artanis and I were ever pushing people for the same reasons, including kush, but that's what I want to clarify. Artanis, could you clarify your reasons for pushing kush? Do you know his meta? I thought his connection to balla was incriminating, and I am also not convinced by the way he claimed VT. But everything else from him has been borderline. I suggest you build a case, because I don't have a town read on you. What did you mean by this? It's the only time you mention me without calling me town... So which is it bum? Are we overestimating or underestimating your scum game? | ||
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On January 23 2014 11:16 bumatlarge wrote: When you find out I'm town by the end of this game, please don't take it out on me. It's your own fault. I'm not that kind of player. You're the only one who brought ill feelings from past games into this one. | ||
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But I shall resist. It HAS inspired me to go filter him though, for science. | ||
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On January 23 2014 02:30 VisceraEyes wrote: Jonny might very well be scum. When I initially noticed Balla and voted for him Jonny had just unvoted and voted for Kush, citing "we can't get Jonny lynched anyway, so lynch Kush I think they both scum" So why is it that once people start LOOKING AT balla, suddenly Jonny is more interested in lynching Kush? It certainly seems like he still "thinks Balla is scum", so why not vote? Maybe his next vote will be on Balla.... Nope...it's on Zarepath. So him saying he's thought Balla was scum like all D1 is pretty meaningless, because when Balla was being discussed, there was never any "Hey yeah! I like that guy for scum too!" or a vote or anything. In fact, when the votes started dropping, Jonny was on the other guy. Partly | ||
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##Unvote ##Vote: bumatlarge | ||
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If you believe both Named VT claims, then if scum have a Godfather they know they can fake-claim anything they want without fear of being counterclaimed. With two named VTs, then there's either ONE of Doc/Cop and no GF or ZERO of Doc/Cop and a GF. If you're a power role you need to counterclaim. | ||
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On January 16 2014 21:06 DarthPunk wrote: Setup This game uses a semi-open setup. The exact setup will be randomly determined from the following: A: 8x VT, 1x Parity Cop, 1x Doc, 1x Goon, 1x Mafia Role Blocker, 1x Godfather B: 8x VT, 1x Parity Cop, 1x Named VT, 2x Goon, 1x Mafia Role Blocker C: 8x VT, 1x Doc, 1x Named VT, 2x Goon, 1x Mafia Role Blocker D: 8x VT, 2x Named VT, 1x Goon, 1x Mafia Role Blocker, 1x Godfather E: 7x VT, 1x Parity Cop, 1x Doc, 1x Named VT, 1x Goon, 1x Mafia Role Blocker, 1x Godfather F: 7x VT, 1x Parity Cop, 2x Named VT, 2x Goon, 1x Mafia Role Blocker G: 7x VT, 1x Doc, 2x Named VT, 2x Goon, 1x Mafia Role Blocker H: 7x VT, 3x Named VT, 1x Goon, 1x Mafia Role Blocker, 1x Godfather whoops! ##Unvote ##Vote: bumatlarge | ||
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On January 24 2014 16:31 kushm4sta wrote: ve wtf are you even talking about. no counterclaims = all the claims are true No, no counterclaims doesn't mean that at all. Look at the setups, if there are no counterclaims then scum can still have a Godfather. | ||
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##Vote: JonnyLaw | ||
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On January 25 2014 02:16 suki wrote: He doesn't need to be voting Artanis but I'd like to hear his justification for voting JonnyLaw all the same. I've given ample justification for voting for JL in my filter. What I'd like to know is why you INSTANTANEOUSLY reverse your read of bum based on the claim when you had JUST written a case about how he's scum. | ||
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On January 25 2014 03:07 VisceraEyes wrote: I've given ample justification for voting for JL in my filter. What I'd like to know is why you INSTANTANEOUSLY reverse your read of bum based on the claim when you had JUST written a case about how he's scum. This is important. Suki doesn't disbelieve the claim for an instant, if she were town she should be worried that Bum could be fake-claiming right? Because she's got this huge case on Bum, why wouldn't she even entertain the notion that he's scum fake-claiming? She even calls her case trash directly after the claim. It reeks of damage control to me. Like she had no idea he would claim and didn't know how to react. | ||
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On January 25 2014 03:16 kushm4sta wrote: @ve i didn't disbelieve the claim. I think possibly she didn't realize like me that it was possible to fake claim and not get caught later. also i feel like no one properly explains that to me... wtf guys I've been trying all effing game Kush, you just haven't been listening because you're all "I'm right lolololol" | ||
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Please do remember that you're appealing to people that share an alignment with you presumably. | ||
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On January 25 2014 04:07 BarristanTheBold wrote: I have 2 small things that keep me from giving VE a solid town read. 1) Despite having an 8 page filter, I don't really remember much of what he's done. Fight with bum a lot, but not really a whole lot else. 2) He hasn't really been interacting with me very much. Like he's not given a single opinion about me, which isn't scummy in itself, but I'm a smurf. He's not been digging trying to get a read on me, just letting me lurk around and not do a whole lot. Despite that, I still have a marginal town read on VE. is arguments with bum felt like the frustrated town VE. I 'unno, I think it's *possible* VE could be scum, but I don't think we should lynch him today. I have no reason to think you're scum. So I haven't mentioned you. Consider it a town read. I'm not letting you lurk, nor do I think what you've been doing is lurking. You're posting when it's relevant and saying things I find townie. Not remembering what I've done isn't a scumtell. Just so we're clear. | ||
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But, looking at your reasoning, that makes me believe bum's claim more myself. Like you said - he would have had no reason to suspect one of the three Named VT claims as early as he did unless he KNEW one was lying. The only way he'd know that is if there IS NO Godfather if he's scum. And if there's no Godfather, then there's a counterclaim coming. | ||
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On January 25 2014 04:39 kushm4sta wrote: ve how believable do you find thrawn's claim? im not up on the claims and setups and whatnot like you are. If he's not Named VT then we've got issues. Let me look. | ||
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Does the fact that he recanted his claim mean anything to you suki? | ||
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##Vote Artanis It's meh anyway. Bum Id like for you to explain how I didn't answer your questions earlier. I paid you the respect of answering them but you have failed to answer what was so unsatisfactory about them. | ||
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On January 25 2014 08:12 suki wrote: I'm calling WileE as the last scum That is a good guess too. | ||
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I answered your fucking questions Bum. | ||
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The THAT that I was referring to was everything I said after I answered the first question. You agreed with suki's case on me, BEFORE reading the posts in question, and finding that they were taken out of context. You NEVER DID read the posts in question, because someone ELSE had to tell you the problem with your theory. So you called me scum for agreeing with bad logic, and yet you agree with Suki's case on me built on entirely faulty premises. You then opt to do nothing further D1, and when you return you come back with a fluff ridden post and state that unless I answer the questions you so carefully hid inside the spoiler, you would never unvote me. So from my perspective, you are not only opting out of doing ANYTHING useful, now you're unrepentantly tunneling a townie. How is that supposed to look to me man? | ||
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