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VisceraEyes
United States21170 Posts
On January 25 2014 02:16 suki wrote: He doesn't need to be voting Artanis but I'd like to hear his justification for voting JonnyLaw all the same. I've given ample justification for voting for JL in my filter. What I'd like to know is why you INSTANTANEOUSLY reverse your read of bum based on the claim when you had JUST written a case about how he's scum. | ||
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JonnyLaw
United States3482 Posts
You really think that a scum team consists of jonnylaw/kush/balla24? Honestly you and rayn both must think I'm a scum god. I promoted lynching kush and balla all day1. Okay let's say you're right. In what world would I be sitting in a scum qt saying, "hey balla and kush lets chat and bus each other all day when there's not pressure on us yet! Balla, make sure to say you think I'm scum as well and let's see who can get lynched faster." Kush is always going to be a lynch target and Balla basically gave up on the game because I wouldn't stop calling him scum. Your accusations are so weak. They were weak when rayn made them and they're still weak. | ||
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Crossfire99
United States1529 Posts
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VisceraEyes
United States21170 Posts
On January 25 2014 03:07 VisceraEyes wrote: I've given ample justification for voting for JL in my filter. What I'd like to know is why you INSTANTANEOUSLY reverse your read of bum based on the claim when you had JUST written a case about how he's scum. This is important. Suki doesn't disbelieve the claim for an instant, if she were town she should be worried that Bum could be fake-claiming right? Because she's got this huge case on Bum, why wouldn't she even entertain the notion that he's scum fake-claiming? She even calls her case trash directly after the claim. It reeks of damage control to me. Like she had no idea he would claim and didn't know how to react. | ||
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kushm4sta
United States8878 Posts
regarding why one meta aspect of your game you would stay the same and one you would do the opposite: to bus or not to bus is a conscious decision you make as scum. Attacking weak targets is something you do because you find it easier to make fake cases against them. One you have control over, one you do not. | ||
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kushm4sta
United States8878 Posts
also i feel like no one properly explains that to me... wtf guys | ||
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VisceraEyes
United States21170 Posts
On January 25 2014 03:16 kushm4sta wrote: @ve i didn't disbelieve the claim. I think possibly she didn't realize like me that it was possible to fake claim and not get caught later. also i feel like no one properly explains that to me... wtf guys I've been trying all effing game Kush, you just haven't been listening because you're all "I'm right lolololol" | ||
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kushm4sta
United States8878 Posts
On January 25 2014 02:59 zarepath wrote: Okay, well, did it seem scummy at all to you, or am I just getting too much into semantics? omg wow. I found someone actually showing some respect to me. Unfortunately it is the noobest person in the game... When someone says TOWN GF when they meant to say SCUM GF, that means absolutely nothing. Maybe town leaning because they aren't being careful with their posts. | ||
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kushm4sta
United States8878 Posts
On January 25 2014 03:17 VisceraEyes wrote: I've been trying all effing game Kush, you just haven't been listening because you're all "I'm right lolololol" honestly it's probably because i didn't read it :'( | ||
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JonnyLaw
United States3482 Posts
I'm posting this one last fucking time because I don't know how it's not transparent. On January 22 2014 04:06 Balla24 wrote: yeah yeah jonny we get it and its true i havent been the same Balla, that's gonna change Why are you so worried this game though? Usually you are all "well Balla is generally active enough that I can read him later". I'm fine with lynching zarepath. You guys have both done all the work, which makes you more town definitely, but I still need to see what Crossfire and Artanis are doing before I settle 100% ##unvote ##vote zarepath He called me scum until that point then weakly again after this happened. He basically quit the game because I wouldn't stop calling him scummy. His filter was over a page early d1. Then I call him scum and he quits playing and posts five more times. Stop wasting our time and find someone who is scum. | ||
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Blazinghand
United States25557 Posts
Vote Count JonnyLaw (4) - Artanis, Wile E, VE artanis (5) - bum, kush, suki, zarepath, JonnyLaw, crossfire VE (1) - thrawn Currently Artanis is set to be lynched. The deadline is at Friday, Jan 24 11:00pm GMT (GMT+00:00). | ||
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Artanis[Xp]
Netherlands12968 Posts
He pressures Balla a bit, then when Balla answers him he doesn't do anything with it, just continues to call him scum. He knows the alignment of Balla already so he doesn't actually care about the answers. He just wants interaction for distancing. 2. His read on Kush makes no sense. On January 21 2014 02:02 JonnyLaw wrote: rayn this is exactly how kush plays though. What's telling you he's scum? He says this is exactly how Kush plays. So clearly he knows a lot about Kush's meta. On January 21 2014 03:29 JonnyLaw wrote: Also, I think balla's scum and I don't know how to read kush at all. Maybe scum too. Welp, that's weird. He suddenly forgot 90 minutes later. 3. Voting pattern compared to reads VE already brought this up. On January 23 2014 02:30 VisceraEyes wrote: Jonny might very well be scum. When I initially noticed Balla and voted for him Jonny had just unvoted and voted for Kush, citing "we can't get Jonny lynched anyway, so lynch Kush I think they both scum" So why is it that once people start LOOKING AT balla, suddenly Jonny is more interested in lynching Kush? It certainly seems like he still "thinks Balla is scum", so why not vote? Maybe his next vote will be on Balla.... Nope...it's on Zarepath. So him saying he's thought Balla was scum like all D1 is pretty meaningless, because when Balla was being discussed, there was never any "Hey yeah! I like that guy for scum too!" or a vote or anything. In fact, when the votes started dropping, Jonny was on the other guy. He's thought Balla was scum all game long, but doesn't really interact with him much, nor does he vote for him until he's already dead and buried. [b]4. Accuses people without purpose. On January 22 2014 04:41 JonnyLaw wrote: Crossfire has 3 posts of substance. One is policy talk. Easy scum starter. One he dives kush which does nothing. Kush plays however the fuck he wants and he comes back with a null read. That's odd in itself after all the work he claims to have done. His third is a case on rayn which isnt even much of a case in my opinion. He's not helping the town at all and not really playing the game. On January 22 2014 05:15 JonnyLaw wrote: On January 22 2014 04:52 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Is there anything you find scummy about Crossfire that you find difficult to imagine from a town point of view? No, I can imagine them. He's just lurking though so it's hard to say. So there's this thing he found interesting except he could see it done as both alignments. Okay. [b]5. Keeps trying to get cred for the Balla lynch After the lynch, Jonny seems more interested in getting credit for the lynch despite not having voted for him until the last moment than anything else. 6. Can't keep his own story straight Rayn already said it. On January 22 2014 23:55 raynpelikoneet wrote: This is really bad. Really bad. He's had one clear scumread all the game. When something unexpected happens he has no idea what to do and then calls Balla's posting town?!?! But it was scummy before? And after. lol. On January 23 2014 00:02 raynpelikoneet wrote: no no no. This does not make any sense. That should be pretty much slam dunk already. Now for the recent posts which seem to have given people a townread on him somehow. 7. Case on Suki Cases can be bad and that doesn't make the person that makes them scummy. However, the choice of target on its own doesn't make sense. When you're a townie and you feel down and out and there's one person trying to motivate you to try again, who do you filter first to try and find scum? Generally it isn't the person trying to motivate you. So why would a scum JL do it? Because she was the best target that no one had really made a case on yet. Making a case on Bum wouldn't get you any credit because VE's already done it. Suki was the one with the filter easiest to portrait as scum that no one did yet. A perfect target for a scum case. The effort involved wasn't too much either, simply quoting posts and adding a line here and there and suddenly towncred galore. 8. Instant flip with town consensus Okay, now that the town cred has been accrued, let's see who we can actually lynch. Artanis is getting a lot of votes, let's plop my vote down there. What's strange is that the thing that's showing I'm town the most, the effort I put into getting my target lynched, is somehow scummy to him. From all the things in my filter that's what he points out. It shows a lack of a town mindset. Lynch JonnyLaw. He's scum. Lynch me if I'm wrong. | ||
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kushm4sta
United States8878 Posts
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VisceraEyes
United States21170 Posts
Please do remember that you're appealing to people that share an alignment with you presumably. | ||
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kushm4sta
United States8878 Posts
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VisceraEyes
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kushm4sta
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Artanis[Xp]
Netherlands12968 Posts
On January 25 2014 03:03 thrawn2112 wrote: btw please include your kush/thrawn reads those seem to be your secondary suspicions and that's odd As I've explained Kush's arguments have been faulty, his read on Zarepath is exceptionally flip floppy and the only thing that's made him town was the claim interaction with Rayn. My scumread on you isn't very well developed, still need to filter you further but the way you called me town for keeping my vote on Kush feels as flimsy as Kush's scumread on me for it. On January 25 2014 03:10 JonnyLaw wrote: Artanis I'm not sure if you're being lazy or just scummier here. You really think that a scum team consists of jonnylaw/kush/balla24? Honestly you and rayn both must think I'm a scum god. I promoted lynching kush and balla all day1. Okay let's say you're right. In what world would I be sitting in a scum qt saying, "hey balla and kush lets chat and bus each other all day when there's not pressure on us yet! Balla, make sure to say you think I'm scum as well and let's see who can get lynched faster." Kush is always going to be a lynch target and Balla basically gave up on the game because I wouldn't stop calling him scum. Your accusations are so weak. They were weak when rayn made them and they're still weak. I want you to flip before I worry about accusations. I'm very sure you'll flip red but I haven't thought about other connections yet. I can definitely see a scumteam with you and Balla, and Kush is known as the busmaster so I don't find that too difficult to imagine either. I've been in a scumteam where everyone busses eachother all day plenty of times. On January 25 2014 03:15 kushm4sta wrote: yo artanis how about you make arguments rather than just respond to people all pissed off like? regarding why one meta aspect of your game you would stay the same and one you would do the opposite: to bus or not to bus is a conscious decision you make as scum. Attacking weak targets is something you do because you find it easier to make fake cases against them. One you have control over, one you do not. I'll stop being pissed off when people stop making dumb arguments. Bussing Xatalos was not a conscious decision. It started as a distancing attempt and it went too far because once I bus I can't stop. Perfect information screws with me and I doubt it's something I could just turn off. Also, how is Rayn an easy target? I spent half of Day 1 attacking him until I got a good read on him. Your meta case makes no sense. | ||
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Artanis[Xp]
Netherlands12968 Posts
On January 25 2014 03:28 VisceraEyes wrote: Lynch you if you're wrong and forfeit the game to scum? Because you're wrong? Really? Please do remember that you're appealing to people that share an alignment with you presumably. I'm confident in my read. On January 25 2014 03:28 kushm4sta wrote: your case is shitting on him for contradicting himself according to your biased interpretation of what he's saying How is it my biased interpretation? Both Rayn and VE agreed with me. I have no idea why VE doesn't think so anymore. I also don't believe it to be biased. | ||
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kushm4sta
United States8878 Posts
that is not a good case. Also i coudl argue a lot of those contradictions are actually not contradictions and you just misunderstood what jlaw was trying to say. that's what I meant by biased. | ||
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