EPTAnd that's enough setup analysis for now. I'll do some filter diving later and try to come up with a more solid case.
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We're not going to lynch me because I'm town and I don't get mislynched. We're still going to lynch JohnnyLaw because he's been scummy as shit and for some reason everyone's forgotten everything that happened before D2. On January 24 2014 11:20 bumatlarge wrote: Artanis has a really bad track record with the voting. He steered the train off Zarepath and on to kush, which was quite noble, but it would be the right play if they were both mafia. He clearly did not want to lynch balla. And his vote on zarepath was weak as well. He has a bit of foresight present here, but Zarepath was at 5 here, which makes his vote a null tell. Zarepath, after managing to swing the vote away from him with his claim, did not put his vote anywhere useful. His vote on cross is similar to artanis' vote on kush, except a lot less telling. I also think it is highly likely that he is lying. A Blue VT claim is fairly safe for at least one mafia to make, especially one about to die, and mafia might have to challenge a DT later. I think the possibility of Artanis and Zarepath as the last two scum is good. But I'm the third man in that boat, so sink it anyway. I did not want to lynch Balla over Kush because I felt I had a strong scumread on Kush and hadn't filtered Balla at the time, nor was there time to do it with the deadline approaching. Being wrong does not mean you're scum. I'm wrong more often as Town than scum because I don't actually have perfect information. On January 24 2014 11:41 kushm4sta wrote: seems like it would be pretty hard for scum to come up with that. and he was the first to write a case on zarepath pretty much. You really think that's hard for scum to come up with? Please stop being bad Kush. Calling someone out for sheeping a scumread is really not difficult. Slap on a meta read and there you go. I do think Barristan is likely town but that's a shit reason. On January 24 2014 12:18 kushm4sta wrote: what is the point of busing if there is no towncred in it? you think it's scummier for him to bus, so why would he bus? he said himself that he bused the last two scum games. So therefore this game as scum he thinks everyone is going to expect him to bus therefore he's not busing. Scum artanis attacks weak targets, aka me. He wrote off his terribad attack on rayne as "pressure to get a read". But he never identified that his pressure had yielded a townread until much later when he came back and rayn was obv town. His main attack d1 was on me. I was definitely a weak target at the time, the case against me being "I didn't do anything" (what else is new). Kush you're good at infuriating me this game. You're literally using meta wherever it suits you, and when it doesn't you say "well obviously he's doing the opposite now because he did that in the previous game." you're cherry picking your meta wherever it fits with a scumread of me probably because you're angry that I called you scum on D1 and it's retarded. The case against you also wasn't that you're a weak target, it was sheeping town sentiment with the odd exception of having future sight that Zarepath is town, which for some reason you just rescinded now. I'm wondering if you're actually scum now. Why were you the one that went in against the grain that Zarepath is town when everyone said he was scum, yet now you ask why people think he's town? What the hell? On January 24 2014 13:15 suki wrote: Anyways, wahaha, welcome back Jonny  I didn’t really read your attack on me because I’m town so whatever. While I was filter diving last night looking for the ‘final scum’, I decided that you weren’t scum after all, but I wanted to wait for your response just to see if you’d actually start playing again and helping town. Reasons I don’t think you’re scum: Balla’s only targets were Zarepath and Crossfire. It’s pretty stupid scum play for two scum to target the exact same people. Especially in the case of Zarepath who was already under heavy pressure from lots of people, scum can and should take the safe route, which you didn’t do. That something is stupid scum play isn't an argument for them not being scum. If the team consists of Balla, JL and another inactive player like Wile or Thrawn or Zarepath then I can easily imagine that being the case. Your fist pump ‘I caught a scum’ after the lynch followed by immediate rage at me is actually really understandable from a town point of view because who wouldn’t be mad at being called scummy for playing a great town game? And then to be #1 to lynch, yeah. Anyways, I also read your post: As pretty townie cuz it’s kinda exactly what I said in that newbie mini that I referenced in my earlier speech. If the bus is pre-planned because someone is playing poorly and you want to gain cred from it, then find out you haven't I can also imagine you getting pretty pissed. Hm. Also, having both balla and Jonny vote crossfire/zare from the beginning really doesn’t lend itself to a long term scum strategy at all, there’s no set up for the following days, which is too short sighted for people of Balla and Jonny’s calibur. The scum slip that rayn pretty much convinced everyone with.. well, it’s pretty damning but hey, I was reading balla as town the whole time so it should be reasonable to expect Jonny having second thoughts of Balla’s towniness on the condition that his activity were to start picking up. In short, Jonny is really town to me. Plus, I think I’ve solved the game. Lol. Gimme a bit to write things up. ##unvote I don't understand. First you say that someone of Jonny's calibur should've picked up on it, yet you consider Jonny and Balla pretty equal. When going through Balla's filter, I don't find his play particularly inspiring this game. If you consider them the same level then I can most certainly imagine a scum Jonny having played like that. On January 24 2014 14:02 suki wrote: Alright, first off, Bum and Artanis are the scum team. We're both town though, so that's wrong. Now, Artanis: Artanis' play has been really quiet. He's asked a lot of questions but rarely expresses his own views. A safe way to play while looking like he's contributing. He followed the safe lynch on Zarepath, did not vote Balla, and also insta-voted JL on Day 2 with me and VE. Although he is now distancing himself from JL scum theory which fits with him being scum. I'm not worried about getting mislynched because I've never been mislynched as town before and don't intend on it this game. I tend to ask questions as town and I gave reads when they were necessary. I have not distanced myself from JL being scum at all. The only thing I told him was to stay motivated and contribute if he was town. And now, when I asked him who he thought was scummy he said this: Boxer's are a townie's safe haven. They are a way to eliminate people from consideration and make it easier to hunt scum. All three of our claims were made in a very convincing, townie manner. There is no reason, and Artanis has not stated any reason, why he would suspect the boxers, instead of other people. As scum though it makes perfect sense to try to start warming people up to lynching blues, because in the later parts of the game they have to make something happen. Boxers are in fact not a safe haven because they can be fakeclaimed. Also, I'll give you a little history lesson why I'm critical of people being town for a single reason. You probably haven't read LXI, but it featured a hydra head (Marv) getting sniped by BH over a shared QT after which Marv made a post about how it was bullshit what happened. Geript, the other head, was considered confirmed town after that exchange. He was scum. If the remaining players who aren't town for a single reason are townier than those that are town for just one reason, than they should be re-examined. That's what I'm calling for here. The rest of the case is bullshit because bum is confirmed PC unless anyone counterclaims and he's either dying tonight, gets us a different check or he gets lynched on D4 or so for bullshitting. On January 25 2014 01:10 JonnyLaw wrote: All right here's what really bothers me looking at artanis. Artanis is very happy to take credit for the kush lynch here. Yet the next five posts are him berating kush for not taking part in the lynch. He's basically setting up town cred until rayn realizes that Kush is being framed. What in the flying fuck am I reading here? Artanis uses like 5 posts trying to convince people that kush is scum and we should lynch him. You're being very presumptious here. I also don't see Kush as confirmed town at all. The only thing that makes me think he's town is the exchange Rayn quoted before, and I'm not sure it holds up. It'd be nice if you could tell me if he's your scumbuddy. And then.... This is when the fucking lynch is guaranteed. This is Artanis' first post addressing balla at all while people are deciding who to lynch. For someone who was so proud of lynch kush, then tried to back track for when he flipped town Artanis clearly didn't like the balla lynch. Or, you know, the other option was that I skimmed through Balla's filter and saw it wasn't very good, but I still felt more confident in Kush. There is that other option. On January 25 2014 01:38 kushm4sta wrote: @jl wow nice work. yeah that makes artanis look so scummy. ima about to blow your mind though. ready? thrawn. u ignore thrawn but thrawn is scummy as a mother fuck. always making excuses rather than doing anything (lol i got high and played xbox). I know from being on thrawns scumteam that he is bored as fuck by scum and he has no motivation to do stuff. Lately thrawn has been soft defending artanis under very shaky pretenses. So he's town because he refused to vote for scum??? seriously?????????? most wifomy shitty townread ever. Scum don't like to go on the same wagon. Instead they like to distance themselves. This is almost always true for some reason. That was the real motivation behind the lack of bus. Thrawn's reason for calling me town is as weak as your reason for calling me scum was. The point is fucking retarded either way because it's not alignment indicative in the least. On January 25 2014 01:45 Crossfire99 wrote: Ok. I'm back. I'm willing to lay off Jonny for now because he's actually tried and done stuff. I can also see his defense as townie. If our lynches don't turn out, we have to look at him again, but for now I'm definitely down for an Artanis lynch. This bum claim clears some things up, and Artanis's activity around lynch is super suspicious plus this quote from him (I feel someone already said this but I can't find it so I apologize to that person) Basically, he's attacking what he knows is a fake claim because mafia only have a rb which means 3 named vts is impossible. This is the same thing that bum knows to be false, but he knows it is because he's a parity cop. (I still can't believe you claimed now...you could have at least tried a little bit to move the lynch to artanis before claiming, but whatever lol). ##Unvote JonnyLaw ##Vote Artanis[Xp] I've explained this earlier in this post. Weren't you in LXI? Surely you can see where I'm coming from. | ||
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On January 25 2014 02:00 suki wrote: Actually Jonny, B being the only setup makes sense with my WileE theory, because that means town has a GF, which would rule out setup D which is the only setup with 2 boxers and no power roles. So scum is absolutely sure there's another power role. kushmaster, master of scumslips, does that qualify as a scumslip? (Or anyone, really.) I read Suki town for motivational speeches and high participation, but all of this setup talk strikes me as something scum can easily get their teeth into without any risk at all (and probably actually something they need to figure out anyway, what town knows as opposed to what they know) and probably not super worthwhile to talk about for town at this stage in the day. This seems like it might be a slip because when you are scum pretending to be town talking about scum, faction confusion seems like an easy mistake to make, whereas if you're just down, it's very much an us-vs-them and it shouldn't be that hard to know that Mafia are the ones with Godfathers, and not Town. | ||
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On January 25 2014 02:54 thrawn2112 wrote: artanis chill out man I don't believe I called anyone dumb for it, just called points dumb. We're playing mafia, and if people say dumb things I'll call the things they say dumb. | ||
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On January 25 2014 02:53 kushm4sta wrote: No a scum slip is not when someone says town when they meant to say scum. A scum slip is assuming someone is town by mistake. Okay, well, did it seem scummy at all to you, or am I just getting too much into semantics? | ||
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On January 25 2014 02:59 Artanis[Xp] wrote: I don't believe I called anyone dumb for it, just called points dumb. We're playing mafia, and if people say dumb things I'll call the things they say dumb. so why are you here right now? what is your objective? to call us bad and tell us to go fuck ourselves while pretending to push the JL lynch? | ||
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On January 25 2014 03:00 thrawn2112 wrote: so why are you here right now? what is your objective? to call us bad and tell us to go fuck ourselves while pretending to push the JL lynch? I told you why I'm not scum. I'm still working on a concise post on why JL is scum. | ||
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those seem to be your secondary suspicions and that's odd | ||
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