TL Mafia LXIV: The Restart

On January 14 2014 10:29 Blazinghand wrote:
/in I PROMISE TO BE GOOD THIS TIME AND NOT ACCIDENTLALY MODKILL ALL MY FRIENDS

On January 14 2014 13:25 Hopeless1der wrote:
yeah but he also took mason's out, thats a huge buff to BH

On January 14 2014 13:42 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
/in

Will be active for sure this time

On January 26 2014 09:44 VisceraEyes wrote:
Don't mind bum, he's just stoned.

On January 26 2014 09:46 VisceraEyes wrote:

I remember some of them. Probably not the one you're referring to, I'm really bad with that sort of thing.

On August 31 2010 11:35 bumatlarge wrote:
AHEM I MEAN

Bumatlarge was high as a kite that evening. Town actually appreciated his batman antics and gave him some pot, which is legal in liquidia ofc. Batman mask set, he roamed the night. HOLY SHIT A CAT. Oh look LSD's house. Bum sneaks in the back alley, tries to climb over a fence, but it swings open at the climax of his climb. Gravity being the bitch that it is, sent bum on a 3 foot skydive into a trashcan! HOLY SHIT A RACCOON. OW. Bum thanks his lucky stars he developed a rabies immunity when he got bit by that raccoon a second ago. Before Bum could question his reasoning, he runs into some dude smokin a cig at the backdoor.

"Sup homes" Bum said in his gravelly voice
"Uh hello"
"You the tracker?" Bum said in his cementy voice
"Sure.. are you high?"
"YOU BET" Bum said in a stoned voice

bum quickly started talking about his encounters with untame beasts and popular topics often discussed by the stalkers of the night, and the other guy smoked a whole pack. before bum knew it, the sun was coming out!

"Aight later did what I needed too" and then he left.

"Oh wait- oh fudgepops" Bum pebbled.

On January 26 2014 10:22 VisceraEyes wrote:

What do you mean "the less likely we get scum interference"? If scum are going to run, they're going to run and making a list of people running isn't going to stop anyone from doing anything is it?

On January 26 2014 10:25 Blazinghand wrote:
*consolidate

On January 26 2014 10:29 Balla24 wrote:
Why are you rushing people to declare their candidacy? Last game marv didn't run for a long time and he ended up being the best candidate. Let things develop as they develop.

On January 26 2014 16:18 Balla24 wrote:
Paranoid about my well-being? How so?

On January 26 2014 16:22 Balla24 wrote:


You said you wanted to put a lot of stock into who votes for who. My first thought is:

- He wants to deduce relationships between people.

So I then think, well relationships are useless between unflipped players, so he must be planning on lynching a mayoral candidate (someone who was garnering votes) to be able to see if there might be scum-scum votes or the like. I don't see how that's a strange thing to think about, so I asked you.

On January 27 2014 05:41 Alakaslam wrote:
Real quick.

I am now agreeing with VE. I think "Wile" has lost interest in the game entirely... What is not a lot of reading to is is a ton to him apparently... And I don't think anyone has bothered to message him. Doesn't seem like it.

May need plynch. Sorry.

On January 27 2014 06:06 VisceraEyes wrote:

To clarify, I think the allegation against GGTemp is that he's asking people IF THEY ARE a role, not which role they have.

On January 27 2014 06:13 Grackaroni wrote:

Are you really arguing that a townies are more likely to ask for a specific role and mafia players are just curious if people have a role?

On January 27 2014 06:25 Grackaroni wrote:

And you don't believe mafia would be curious about how that person would use his role?

On January 28 2014 06:56 LSB wrote:
Votecount
BloodyC0bbler (8): kushm4sta, Skanjab1s, Mocsta, bumatlarge, QuantumPope, Oatsmaster, BloodyC0bbler, StorrZerg
VisceraEyes (1): VisceraEyes
raynpelikoneet (8): raynpelikoneet, Blazinghand, Alakaslam, thrawn2112, Grackaroni, Coagulation, Balla24, GGTeMpLaR

Note Voting: Tehpoofter,

Day ends in 5 minutes, voting is required. It is 10 votes for instant majority lynch Mayorship

On January 27 2014 13:37 Mocsta wrote:
Hello.

Finally caught up on the thread.

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(1)
BC is dodgy



Firstly, his accusation that I have been dodging the thread? Based on what?
I have been open to everyone that I have been busy, too busy to read the thread.
The commitment of PMs is significantly less than the thread.

Further, I tried to engage in dialogue with BC yesterday with a straight forward ice breaker to be promptly ignored.
Then he tries to slander my by talking about shennanigans. Again, explain the "extremely suspect" motive BC.
Go on... I dare you.

I agree with Storr, you are not a suitable mayor candidate; let alone a town read for me.
Having played 3 or 4 games with you as both on the scum team, I am very much aware that you like to start off your scum games by picking on what you perceive as weak players.

Quantom Pope fits this bill both in reputation on TL (unknown) and how you approached him as a scum read with the attack.

I am curious to see these PM logs that VE state show you are looking after towns best interests; because everything I have seen publicly suggests otherwise.

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My current top two lynch candidates are

VE whom I am not liking this cycle for a variety of reasons I will discuss below & potentially BC based on the above whom seems to be trying to take easy swipes at anyone and everyone.

On January 28 2014 05:54 QuantumPope wrote:

Not a soul has spoken to me.



I feel like I've missed out on a significant amount chatter behind the scenes but apparently a lot of people are making assumptions based on PMs. I've been trying to give the best reads possible with the lack of information. In my opinion, I am trying to play this as honestly as possible with giving all my reads to the thread. If anything I'm just disappointed that you don't seem to be reading me as town BC. My reads have changed though and I'll give my final scum reads written here:

Skanjab1s - Claiming to be PMing people who haven't been involved yet I have yet to see anything from him so that makes me suspicious. Not liking his "experience" reads, especially on a player just joining the fray.

StorrZerg - Seems to be taking a lot of his content to PM and not sharing it with the rest of the crowd. His reasoning for not voting BC just seems off to me and I feel like I'm not getting the whole picture of Storr's play.

tehpoofter - Max lurk.

VE - feels fine in my books but I don't really know why he doesn't think BC is town.

bum - Just seems to be reading off of BC's reads but he really didn't give explanations for his own. Did not enjoy this.

As for my vote:

BC seems extremely active today now and his specific attacks on people who are claiming things in private seem very town to me. While I don't agree with his lynch on BH or his read on myself, I think his overall reads are leading town in the right direction. He seems to know the majority of the players in this game and seems to have well established reads on them.

VE would be my second choice.

##vote BloodyC0bbler


This post was much more rushed than my last one but unfortunately I don't have time to do much more than this. I'd be happy to answer any questions you have either in thread or PM.

On January 28 2014 16:20 GGTeMpLaR wrote:
bum didn't analyze my mayoral campaign

top scum still

On January 30 2014 21:46 kushm4sta wrote:
for all the talk about wasting time, i just wasted 10 minutes of my time reading all that drama.

Your circle is the worst, bh. It's been infiltrated by scum since the beginning of the game. And you can't take credit for killing balla because literally everyone wanted to kill him.

This is the scumteam I'm thinking right now:
Coagulation
Mocsta
Grackaroni

On January 31 2014 21:00 raynpelikoneet wrote:
You guys are seriously really bad at mafia if you think one post or "case" that's never followed up in any way in the whole game makes those two people "2% chance to be mafia together".

Like do you think mafia is nover "suspicious" of other mafia? That was not even a fucking bus, it was a retarded comment that bumatlarge never ever never followed up. He has never even talked about Balla after that. NEVER.

Then he shows up, has not even read the thread, in this whole agame, and hammers someone. YES!!

Then he talks about reads with Mocsta, except that he has not read the thread and can't have reads. But he is suspicious of Skanjabs. And Slam & Coag. Hmm.. why those three people? Because he is a fucking mafia and he knows who he can possibly even get lynched and who he can't. Why does he think i am town? Why does he think thrawn is town? Oats? Grackaroni?

Dude has seriously more informationb that he pretends to have.

On January 31 2014 21:42 Skanjab1s wrote:


Look at their interactions:
+ Show Spoiler +
It is very unlikely that a scumteam would make up a conversation, and then talk about it in this much detail to call each other scummy. But we do need to see the logs between them,
Bum can you post the logs between you and Balla, please?

I agree with you on thrawn, rayn, I think he scum. Along with Mocsta and one of Alaka/Coag. That's my bragging rights scumteam bet.

You also haven't answered my question on Mocsta. Could you please do so, and also look at his balla read, especially in that awful case post that me and kush destroyed the other day.

On February 01 2014 01:51 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Mocsta asked you to tell your reads. You said some wishy washy general things abous some people. When he asked to clarify you said "but i have not been able to play, i have not been able to be on computer, i have not been able to do anything.. i have not been able to talk people..".

Excuses, excuses. For about 5 irl-days you have done jack shit in this game.
so in case you some weord fucking reason are town, start now.

On February 01 2014 01:55 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Also how does the conversation start? Doesn't look like legit start of PM-convo.

On January 26 2014 10:29 Balla24 wrote:
Why are you rushing people to declare their candidacy? Last game marv didn't run for a long time and he ended up being the best candidate. Let things develop as they develop.

On January 29 2014 08:13 Grackaroni wrote:
Balla could be a solid lynch as well.

I'm basically working with this group of townies:
Grackaroni
Bloodyc0bbler
Raynpelikoneet
Blazinghand
Mocsta
Thrawn
Alakaslam

Leaving 4 scum in the remaining 6 people.

On February 01 2014 02:04 raynpelikoneet wrote:

Although this is a relevant question.

Why did you never ever talk about Balla after that PM-convo / thread post?

Like, did your scumread somehow fade into oblivion? And then you just happened to chime in and hammer him with "i have not been able to play so idk wtf is going on but YOLO, let's hammer someone" or what?

On February 01 2014 02:05 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Okay so you wanted people to vote, and vote fast. That was your intention.
Where are the vote analysis?

Seriously, every single thing you have promised to do in this game you have not done. Do you think it's townie?

On January 31 2014 07:47 Grackaroni wrote:
More likely shot because of his reads

On February 01 2014 03:27 Grackaroni wrote:
If Coag flips town you guys can lynch me. Once he flips scum it should be pretty clear that Rayn has just been trying to save his kp and pushing whatever townie he can.

On February 01 2014 03:45 Grackaroni wrote:
Bum, why do you think Rayn failed to make that connection?

On February 01 2014 03:47 Grackaroni wrote:
What awful logic? Rayn thinks that I'm mafia and he still voted Coag after I accused him or trying to shift the lynch away from coag to save mafia kp.

On February 01 2014 04:05 Blazinghand wrote:

so you're thinking slam skan grack scumteam?

On February 01 2014 05:51 Skanjab1s wrote:

Bum what's your bet for the remaining scumteam now that coag has flipped scum?

On February 02 2014 13:59 Oatsmaster wrote:
oh god finally.

##vote bum

On February 02 2014 15:48 thrawn2112 wrote:
does not =

On February 02 2014 15:51 Oatsmaster wrote:

hate to break this to you bum, but my filter is double yours.
you could initiate the irc conversation if you wanted to convince me. Whcich you dont

On February 02 2014 15:59 thrawn2112 wrote:


why are you telling your top scumread to read the filter of a person you think is null

Original Message From bumatlarge:
Sweet good luck.

On February 03 2014 14:06 Mocsta wrote:

I'm actually trying to catch you tell the truth.

Btw. Were you in pm dialogue with hack before he claimed hatter?

On February 07 2014 11:54 thrawn2112 wrote:
i'm gonna talk about bum for a bit

I know that he went to Oats last cycle to to have a talk about thrawn (remember this interaction later, when i quote bum's read on Oats)

[21:51] <bum> hello oats
[21:51] <Oatsmaster> yo
[21:51] <bum> i think we need to have a chat with thrawn
[21:51] <Oatsmaster> yes
[21:51] <bum> er
[21:51] <bum> about thrawn

then there's this post





which is similar to all of bum's other posts in that it gives you no clear idea of what he actually thinks about the game. his preferred lynch order was slam>thrawn>oats. he says that if slam is hatter, then BC's plan wont work and mafia will win if everyone dies. so from bum's point of view, with this knowledge about how lynching the hatter will lose the game for town, that means that bum CAN'T have slam as his first lynch preference unless he thinks slam is mafia. But does he think slam is mafia?

"BC said to lynch slam, and hatter is easy to claim, and very difficult to lynch. Slam not saying where is bombs are is pretty town though, bit it's slam so who knows."

So Slam is bum's top lynch choice... but not his top scumread? That is the impression I get from that post. But bum admits that if slam is hatter it's probably a bad idea to lynch him. But he can't decide if slam is town or mafia. So why is slam his top lynch candidate?

So after reading that I have absolutely NO idea if bum thought slam was mafia. It's all nonsense that doesn't add up to an actual read. Then comes his reads on Oats/thrawn where he says thrawn is scummy for hilarious reasoning, and oats is somehow null. Bum we are in lylo and there is no way that you can reach this stage of the game with a null read on somebody.

If bum is scum he probably didn't feel like it was so important to assign a definitive read to the player he's about to night kill. How convenient is it that the only 2 players he will commit to reading (and yes, "commit" is a stretch in this case) are the players that end up being the ones remaining in the game? It's even more suspect considering that he has thrawn as scummier than "null" Oats, after he approached Oats during the last cycle and talk to him about thrawn being scum. Here are the logs of that convo:

http://tny.cz/156c72a4

Based on how he talks to Oats there, and everything about bum's recent reads that I've just pointed out, does it look like bum is talking to his null read Oats? Or that he is scum and trying to set up his lylo victory mislynch?

Everything adds up to bum being mafia. He can't talk about reads and he's done nothing the entire game. He is somehow comfortable with hammering almost every single lynch while admittedly feeling confused and/or that he's not up to speed with the going-on's of the game.

Original Message From Alakaslam:
Hijole, my bomb lays not on your bosom!

Original Message From LSB:
Mafia wins

On February 07 2014 15:30 Oatsmaster wrote:
[7/2/14 2:30:36 PM] Jared Yap: ok bum is scum for not playing the game day 1 day 2
[7/2/14 2:30:46 PM] Jared Yap: and making that huge analysis on the mayors
[7/2/14 2:30:51 PM] Jared Yap: that led to absolutely nothing
[7/2/14 2:30:56 PM] Jared Yap: he then hard defends coag
[7/2/14 2:30:59 PM] Jared Yap: like HARD DEFENDS COAG
[7/2/14 2:31:08 PM] Jared Yap: but nope didn't work
[7/2/14 2:31:11 PM] Jared Yap: disappeared again
[7/2/14 2:31:28 PM] Jared Yap: 6 pages of filter
drops out of the thread after recinding his mayorship and doesnt care what happens after.
he thinks coag is scum then flips to grack when grack leaves him an opening.
tries to lynch obv town thrawn.
Thinks about how he looks to the thread and his angle, which means he is thinking scumlike because town dont give a shit.
hammers grack with no argument against him when he said earlier grack and coag cant be mafia together.
hammers rayn after not participating in that day at all and he didnt even give a shit about the roleblock weirdness.
posts this

then says im null like 5 hours later in his next proper post.

makes a case on me that isnt actually on me but on why he is town and bla bla, sob story all that.

On February 07 2014 15:34 Oatsmaster wrote:

you didnt sound so sure yesterday. THATS CAUSE YOU SCUM BRO MAN.

On February 07 2014 15:38 Oatsmaster wrote:
Like yesterday bum, you wanted to lynch thrawn.

On February 07 2014 15:40 Oatsmaster wrote:

i said I wasnt vig.
HEY I JUST REMEMBRED. you were the nonsense dude who said that BC wasnt vig. Clearly scummy.
Also why didnt your 'case' on me have any actual reasoning why I was scum?

On February 07 2014 15:46 Oatsmaster wrote:
i gotta go home.

Bum had to make a whole case before voting for me. He wasnt instantly like, lol oats scum thanks gg.

On February 08 2014 15:12 Balla24 wrote:


That's not the point though.

The seal is game breaking. Even if it's "just the nail in the coffin" it's HUGELY game breaking.

On February 08 2014 19:16 BloodyC0bbler wrote:


sadly I did notice it. The only person I mentioned this outright to was mocsta and maybe rayn or thrawn?

Like no one could remember if they had told you at that point -_-