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So does no one want to dispute my meta of Scumeling? Otherwise I will just know I'm right and keep hammering said point home.
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On May 22 2014 13:25 BlueyD wrote:
wtf how does Steveling have 10 pages of filter.
That's insane. Like that's 20% the length of the one game I played recently.
And all of it worthless. What alignment do you think that makes him?
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On May 21 2014 08:07 Steveling wrote:
HF BH confirmed scum buddies.
Wow Steve. Such insight. Sheeping your scumread's scum buddy on an rng lynch. Especially when you have confirmed scum in HF and Cav. Clearly you're acting so towny it must hurt.
Like honestly. Why does anyone have a townread on Scumeling?
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Can someone please explain to me in detail where any of Scumeling's reads are anything but things he picks up from thread sentiment and runs with?
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Like every time I read Scumeling's filter I vomit in my mouth a little bit more. It's reprehensible. It's 95% fluff and 5% complete bullshit. His filter is the literal definition of posting only and solely to post. There are no original thought in it. He doesn't actually develop any scumreads. Like his filter is just drivel. When you read Glory Hole mini, it's quite different. There are actually sparks of intelligent thought in it. He makes actual points on why he thinks some people are scummy. It's obvious that he's reading the thread. Here's it's the complete opposite. He's like a mama bird regurgitating the thread in Twitter form in the most asinine way. Like how does he not any any thought to call his own? How does he not have any thought period? How is it that in 11 pages he hasn't developed a single read despite being scummy on half the thread at one point or another? Glory hole showed that he could to some extent be focused. It feels as if he's on crack or something. Today would be a total travesty and failure if we don't lynch Scumeling.
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On May 22 2014 14:16 Steveling wrote:
There's a pretty strong bus riding burini.
Although I expressed quite early that I find her scummy I don't like where this is going.
How do you know burini is scum bro? Can't be a bus without burini being scum.
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On May 22 2014 08:03 Hapahauli wrote:Show nested quote +On May 22 2014 08:00 Cavalinho wrote:
WoS, look into Steveling. HF is town and Hapa is also probably town.
I'm boggled by the fact that marv said having a huge filter is good for town. It's not when there's nothing there but useless garbage that clogs up the thread and doesn't accomplish anything.
Also, who said we should lynch layabout? When you're talking about a guy that gets lynched day 1/2 a lot, maybe, just maybe you should take the quality of their play into consideration. Maybe I'm biased because I got lynched day 1 a lot for stupid reasons, but I still really want to kill Steveling today over anything and everything else for the moment.
I'd be really wary of people who say that just having a big filter is good for town. Steveling would be a terrible lynch. I get that you don't like his play, and his play is very spammy, but it's also very clearly town. Just because his spam is "contentless" doesn't mean it isn't genuine. Look at some of his other games - he plays like that all the time.
If by all the time, you mean his one game as town...
On May 22 2014 08:07 Hapahauli wrote:Show nested quote +On May 22 2014 08:04 Cavalinho wrote:On May 22 2014 08:03 Hapahauli wrote:On May 22 2014 08:00 Cavalinho wrote:
WoS, look into Steveling. HF is town and Hapa is also probably town.
I'm boggled by the fact that marv said having a huge filter is good for town. It's not when there's nothing there but useless garbage that clogs up the thread and doesn't accomplish anything.
Also, who said we should lynch layabout? When you're talking about a guy that gets lynched day 1/2 a lot, maybe, just maybe you should take the quality of their play into consideration. Maybe I'm biased because I got lynched day 1 a lot for stupid reasons, but I still really want to kill Steveling today over anything and everything else for the moment.
I'd be really wary of people who say that just having a big filter is good for town. Steveling would be a terrible lynch. I get that you don't like his play, and his play is very spammy, but it's also very clearly town. Just because his spam is "contentless" doesn't mean it isn't genuine. Look at some of his other games - he plays like that all the time. Before we start arguing, I want to know what "genuine" is. Genuine can be many things. What's "townie" about his filter is that he's constantly posting without thinking, getting into many fights, and is generally wearing his emotions on his sleeve. Contrast this with normal mafia instincts to hide, avoid conflict, etc. Also, look at his past games and compare them to this one. If you haven't done that, then your analysis is meaningless.
I have. I pointed out that he's gotten in shit fights as scum before. As a matter of fact, as town, he got in far less shitfights AND his posting was far more full of actual content.
On May 22 2014 08:18 Hapahauli wrote:Show nested quote +On May 22 2014 08:12 Cavalinho wrote:On May 22 2014 08:07 Hapahauli wrote:On May 22 2014 08:04 Cavalinho wrote:On May 22 2014 08:03 Hapahauli wrote:On May 22 2014 08:00 Cavalinho wrote:
WoS, look into Steveling. HF is town and Hapa is also probably town.
I'm boggled by the fact that marv said having a huge filter is good for town. It's not when there's nothing there but useless garbage that clogs up the thread and doesn't accomplish anything.
Also, who said we should lynch layabout? When you're talking about a guy that gets lynched day 1/2 a lot, maybe, just maybe you should take the quality of their play into consideration. Maybe I'm biased because I got lynched day 1 a lot for stupid reasons, but I still really want to kill Steveling today over anything and everything else for the moment.
I'd be really wary of people who say that just having a big filter is good for town. Steveling would be a terrible lynch. I get that you don't like his play, and his play is very spammy, but it's also very clearly town. Just because his spam is "contentless" doesn't mean it isn't genuine. Look at some of his other games - he plays like that all the time. Before we start arguing, I want to know what "genuine" is. Genuine can be many things. What's "townie" about his filter is that he's constantly posting without thinking, getting into many fights, and is generally wearing his emotions on his sleeve. Contrast this with normal mafia instincts to hide, avoid conflict, etc. Also, look at his past games and compare them to this one. If you haven't done that, then your analysis is meaningless. I've played with him before. He is doing the exact same thing he was doing in Cell, making people feel smart and getting people to ignore him. It's spammier than normal, but that's not the issue that I have with him. Like some of the players right now are just calling it boring (Koshi) without trying to see if it's legitimately true or not. Why is this not an issue for you? Nothing in this post describes why Steveling is scum. You compare his play in Cell to his play here, but they look very different at first glance to me. He is definetely active in Cell, but seems a lot more calm. Compared to this game, he's picking fights and is generally an attention-whore.
He was pretty whorish too. Plus for getting in as many fights as he's had, in all of those, he's been the calm one in them. He's the one who cares about whether or not he gets in trouble for it.
On May 22 2014 08:23 Hapahauli wrote:Show nested quote +On May 22 2014 08:20 Cavalinho wrote:On May 22 2014 08:18 Hapahauli wrote:On May 22 2014 08:12 Cavalinho wrote:On May 22 2014 08:07 Hapahauli wrote:On May 22 2014 08:04 Cavalinho wrote:On May 22 2014 08:03 Hapahauli wrote:On May 22 2014 08:00 Cavalinho wrote:
WoS, look into Steveling. HF is town and Hapa is also probably town.
I'm boggled by the fact that marv said having a huge filter is good for town. It's not when there's nothing there but useless garbage that clogs up the thread and doesn't accomplish anything.
Also, who said we should lynch layabout? When you're talking about a guy that gets lynched day 1/2 a lot, maybe, just maybe you should take the quality of their play into consideration. Maybe I'm biased because I got lynched day 1 a lot for stupid reasons, but I still really want to kill Steveling today over anything and everything else for the moment.
I'd be really wary of people who say that just having a big filter is good for town. Steveling would be a terrible lynch. I get that you don't like his play, and his play is very spammy, but it's also very clearly town. Just because his spam is "contentless" doesn't mean it isn't genuine. Look at some of his other games - he plays like that all the time. Before we start arguing, I want to know what "genuine" is. Genuine can be many things. What's "townie" about his filter is that he's constantly posting without thinking, getting into many fights, and is generally wearing his emotions on his sleeve. Contrast this with normal mafia instincts to hide, avoid conflict, etc. Also, look at his past games and compare them to this one. If you haven't done that, then your analysis is meaningless. I've played with him before. He is doing the exact same thing he was doing in Cell, making people feel smart and getting people to ignore him. It's spammier than normal, but that's not the issue that I have with him. Like some of the players right now are just calling it boring (Koshi) without trying to see if it's legitimately true or not. Why is this not an issue for you? Nothing in this post describes why Steveling is scum. You compare his play in Cell to his play here, but they look very different at first glance to me. He is definetely active in Cell, but seems a lot more calm. Compared to this game, he's picking fights and is generally an attention-whore. Then check my filter for the big, red-titled post on why I thought he was scum. But that's the thing - those types of posts you point out "after the spam" really aren't present in Cell Mafia. He just seems as a whole so much more hyper and emotional in this game. Anyway, talk to me about some other people. Layabout, tambo, ritoky, etc.
I agree that his play on face value looks different from Cell. But it also looks exceptionally different from Glory Hole. The trends in his play are far more reflective is his Cell game than his Gloryhole game.
Like I really don't get how you could meta a player so awfully. Mine explaining why you've protected Scumeling so many times on bad meta?
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On May 22 2014 15:56 Hapahauli wrote:Show nested quote +On May 22 2014 15:01 geript wrote:On May 22 2014 08:03 Hapahauli wrote:On May 22 2014 08:00 Cavalinho wrote:
WoS, look into Steveling. HF is town and Hapa is also probably town.
I'm boggled by the fact that marv said having a huge filter is good for town. It's not when there's nothing there but useless garbage that clogs up the thread and doesn't accomplish anything.
Also, who said we should lynch layabout? When you're talking about a guy that gets lynched day 1/2 a lot, maybe, just maybe you should take the quality of their play into consideration. Maybe I'm biased because I got lynched day 1 a lot for stupid reasons, but I still really want to kill Steveling today over anything and everything else for the moment.
I'd be really wary of people who say that just having a big filter is good for town. Steveling would be a terrible lynch. I get that you don't like his play, and his play is very spammy, but it's also very clearly town. Just because his spam is "contentless" doesn't mean it isn't genuine. Look at some of his other games - he plays like that all the time. If by all the time, you mean his one game as town... On May 22 2014 08:07 Hapahauli wrote:On May 22 2014 08:04 Cavalinho wrote:On May 22 2014 08:03 Hapahauli wrote:On May 22 2014 08:00 Cavalinho wrote:
WoS, look into Steveling. HF is town and Hapa is also probably town.
I'm boggled by the fact that marv said having a huge filter is good for town. It's not when there's nothing there but useless garbage that clogs up the thread and doesn't accomplish anything.
Also, who said we should lynch layabout? When you're talking about a guy that gets lynched day 1/2 a lot, maybe, just maybe you should take the quality of their play into consideration. Maybe I'm biased because I got lynched day 1 a lot for stupid reasons, but I still really want to kill Steveling today over anything and everything else for the moment.
I'd be really wary of people who say that just having a big filter is good for town. Steveling would be a terrible lynch. I get that you don't like his play, and his play is very spammy, but it's also very clearly town. Just because his spam is "contentless" doesn't mean it isn't genuine. Look at some of his other games - he plays like that all the time. Before we start arguing, I want to know what "genuine" is. Genuine can be many things. What's "townie" about his filter is that he's constantly posting without thinking, getting into many fights, and is generally wearing his emotions on his sleeve. Contrast this with normal mafia instincts to hide, avoid conflict, etc. Also, look at his past games and compare them to this one. If you haven't done that, then your analysis is meaningless. I have. I pointed out that he's gotten in shit fights as scum before. As a matter of fact, as town, he got in far less shitfights AND his posting was far more full of actual content. On May 22 2014 08:18 Hapahauli wrote:On May 22 2014 08:12 Cavalinho wrote:On May 22 2014 08:07 Hapahauli wrote:On May 22 2014 08:04 Cavalinho wrote:On May 22 2014 08:03 Hapahauli wrote:On May 22 2014 08:00 Cavalinho wrote:
WoS, look into Steveling. HF is town and Hapa is also probably town.
I'm boggled by the fact that marv said having a huge filter is good for town. It's not when there's nothing there but useless garbage that clogs up the thread and doesn't accomplish anything.
Also, who said we should lynch layabout? When you're talking about a guy that gets lynched day 1/2 a lot, maybe, just maybe you should take the quality of their play into consideration. Maybe I'm biased because I got lynched day 1 a lot for stupid reasons, but I still really want to kill Steveling today over anything and everything else for the moment.
I'd be really wary of people who say that just having a big filter is good for town. Steveling would be a terrible lynch. I get that you don't like his play, and his play is very spammy, but it's also very clearly town. Just because his spam is "contentless" doesn't mean it isn't genuine. Look at some of his other games - he plays like that all the time. Before we start arguing, I want to know what "genuine" is. Genuine can be many things. What's "townie" about his filter is that he's constantly posting without thinking, getting into many fights, and is generally wearing his emotions on his sleeve. Contrast this with normal mafia instincts to hide, avoid conflict, etc. Also, look at his past games and compare them to this one. If you haven't done that, then your analysis is meaningless. I've played with him before. He is doing the exact same thing he was doing in Cell, making people feel smart and getting people to ignore him. It's spammier than normal, but that's not the issue that I have with him. Like some of the players right now are just calling it boring (Koshi) without trying to see if it's legitimately true or not. Why is this not an issue for you? Nothing in this post describes why Steveling is scum. You compare his play in Cell to his play here, but they look very different at first glance to me. He is definetely active in Cell, but seems a lot more calm. Compared to this game, he's picking fights and is generally an attention-whore. He was pretty whorish too. Plus for getting in as many fights as he's had, in all of those, he's been the calm one in them. He's the one who cares about whether or not he gets in trouble for it. On May 22 2014 08:23 Hapahauli wrote:On May 22 2014 08:20 Cavalinho wrote:On May 22 2014 08:18 Hapahauli wrote:On May 22 2014 08:12 Cavalinho wrote:On May 22 2014 08:07 Hapahauli wrote:On May 22 2014 08:04 Cavalinho wrote:On May 22 2014 08:03 Hapahauli wrote:On May 22 2014 08:00 Cavalinho wrote:
WoS, look into Steveling. HF is town and Hapa is also probably town.
I'm boggled by the fact that marv said having a huge filter is good for town. It's not when there's nothing there but useless garbage that clogs up the thread and doesn't accomplish anything.
Also, who said we should lynch layabout? When you're talking about a guy that gets lynched day 1/2 a lot, maybe, just maybe you should take the quality of their play into consideration. Maybe I'm biased because I got lynched day 1 a lot for stupid reasons, but I still really want to kill Steveling today over anything and everything else for the moment.
I'd be really wary of people who say that just having a big filter is good for town. Steveling would be a terrible lynch. I get that you don't like his play, and his play is very spammy, but it's also very clearly town. Just because his spam is "contentless" doesn't mean it isn't genuine. Look at some of his other games - he plays like that all the time. Before we start arguing, I want to know what "genuine" is. Genuine can be many things. What's "townie" about his filter is that he's constantly posting without thinking, getting into many fights, and is generally wearing his emotions on his sleeve. Contrast this with normal mafia instincts to hide, avoid conflict, etc. Also, look at his past games and compare them to this one. If you haven't done that, then your analysis is meaningless. I've played with him before. He is doing the exact same thing he was doing in Cell, making people feel smart and getting people to ignore him. It's spammier than normal, but that's not the issue that I have with him. Like some of the players right now are just calling it boring (Koshi) without trying to see if it's legitimately true or not. Why is this not an issue for you? Nothing in this post describes why Steveling is scum. You compare his play in Cell to his play here, but they look very different at first glance to me. He is definetely active in Cell, but seems a lot more calm. Compared to this game, he's picking fights and is generally an attention-whore. Then check my filter for the big, red-titled post on why I thought he was scum. But that's the thing - those types of posts you point out "after the spam" really aren't present in Cell Mafia. He just seems as a whole so much more hyper and emotional in this game. Anyway, talk to me about some other people. Layabout, tambo, ritoky, etc. I agree that his play on face value looks different from Cell. But it also looks exceptionally different from Glory Hole. The trends in his play are far more reflective is his Cell game than his Gloryhole game. Like I really don't get how you could meta a player so awfully. Mine explaining why you've protected Scumeling so many times on bad meta? I really don't know how to say it any better than I have: the guy has a fucking 10 page filter in 24 hours. If you think mafia can do that, you're insane. But then again, I really don't feel like arguing any more since... a) There's no way I'm going to convince someone confirmation biased enough to call the guy "scumelling" over and overa gain. b) Steveling isn't getting lynched. My target of choice is. c) The "oats-whisperer" does not get to lecture me on how to interpret meta cases.
I'm not arguing with you. I don't even care if Scumeling gets lynched today. He is going to get lynched this game. I've been trying to make points on why I think you're wrong. You don't want to listen to them. That's fine. I'm going to keep on banging that drum. At some point, you'll be dead. He's scum and I'm not going to shoot him. That's a waste of my shot to shoot someone who I could just as easily lynch.
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I'm honestly not sure I've been as frustrated playing mafia as I have with this game. When I'm not "going crazy" nobody likes or listens to my points. When I am "going crazy" nobody likes or listens to my points. I think i'm just going to start randomly voting for people and making posts like, "Dat gui soo scummy. Weird post. I am towniest town evar." I should also probably make sure every other post is mine and no longer than a line or two. I should also treat the thread like twitter: no posts longer than 140 characters. Like this game is pretty ridiculous when we can't lynch someone who doesn't bother to read or think about the game, who adds nothing to it, etc. Like honestly Hapa, can you think of one useful post that Scumeling has made? Any single one. Because when you can't, I don't get why you think his 11 page filter makes him town when he's proven that filter length is in no way alignment indicative for him.
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Perhaps you've missed that I too liked Tambo. I just haven't been beating that drum because well, I don't think I need to. I haven't hated Austin's push on Layabout; his reads were like complete disconnects from the actual thread and so freaking weird I decided to troll Scumeling with them. Or how about idk like Yellow and some of the other players I bothered to read last night. like Ritoky a lot of people are talking about, I thought he was town last night. HF probably town. Marv acting strange imo; like his short filter length combined with his lack of funny combined with me not loving the major things he's pushed have really irked me. Like Layabout and tambo aren't bad shots. But between the ridiculous amount of spam and stupidity we get from Scumeling, I don't even fucking care what his alignment is at this point. He looks super scummy and he's completely worthless as far as getting ANY information. I say get him out early instead of late. Hell Slam is not town. Like he's clearly not town. Maybe there's some theoretical he's about to lose his job/life/everything/get kicked out of his home/etc. shit going on, but this is so far from town slam it's not even funny. Like Kush has trouble reading him, but he flat out agrees with me which should be like warning signs since he's played a decent amount with him on OMGUS. Hell Fool was even all like, "Damn those are some really good points but IDFK shit about how to read Slam." Hell I've commented numerous times about how fucking odd BH is being. He hasn't pushed a single reasonable read; I'd have to double check but at no point is BH trying to policy lynch me. He think I could actually be scum; I don't see any world where town BH could even possibly think that. Plus, him being as decent a player as he is and only pushing and spewing complete crap about RNG for day 1 is and should be a huge red flag. But everyone's giving him a free pass for it. Like it's inane.
Like you think I push in the most assholey/dickish manner. Geez like I try to tone it back, but shit. Like the more I get ignored, the more I'm going to head towards being louder and more dickish. I can be a confident, cocky arrogant son of a bitch. I'm also very good even if you think the "oats whisperer is just trash." Like I don't see how you can pass off Scumeling's super weird back and forth stances on me, BH, HF, Cav, others. Like it's so completely non-sensical it blows my mind ever time I read his filter. For me there's a huge difference between a towny living/posting in the moment and a scum just posting whatever because no one reads it.
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On May 22 2014 16:56 Hapahauli wrote:
But this is EXACTLY what makes him town! You are 100% correct that it makes no sense. All his reactions are emotional, spazzy, and off the wall. But very simply, scum rarely (pretty much never) act that recklessly! It's a sign that someone is posting everything that comes to his mind, and that he's not trying to hide anything.
I don't like his play, and I agree that 95% of his filter is useless spam. However being useless/spammy doesn't make someone scum. If you consider the motivations for why he's posting the way he is, and the mentality behind his posts, it's really really townie.
Like I get that that's your point, but that's also exactly how I see him in Cell. He posts whatever's "at the moment" and won't get bent over for. Plus, it's distinctly different from his posting Glory where he pushed indiscriminantly. Like he didn't care whatsoever about his image. He cared about making good pushes; pushing people who he thought was scum. Making points however minor they could be on who and why and where. Like he was active for 2 days in Glory with a 10 page filter and "active for 3 in Cell with 19. I get your stance on what makes him town. I really do. I just feel like you're missing the mentality behind what he's posting. He doesn't care whatsoever about what he posts this game. That is distinctly different from what I saw from him in Glory. Can you at least understand that point? Like I'm find agreeing to disagree, but I think it's a point that's worth considering in your read on him and something that I noticed when I reread cell that he didn't care what he posted (as scum) moreso that he cared how it was perceived. That's what I find scummy about him (in addition to the complete useless spam).
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So like the best way to figure out Slam is to figure out who he's playing for. Like for him, the purpose behind why he posts is far more indicative than what he actually posts. What he posts means stuff to him, but in what most people would find a disorganized way. When you engage with him on his level, he will counter engage with you because no matter how much he struggles in social situations he really does thoroughly enjoy people. So look at how I engaged him in Cell. We had a fun little heart to heart on rating people by color and animal and what not. He's more than happen to run with it and figure out and choose what people are. In this game, he just takes it at face value and he doesn't dig into seemingly random questions. Quite frankly he isn't playing. By that I don't mean he isn't reading or isn't posting thoughts, I mean it like he's not like a kid on a playground. He's not riding the slides and climbing the jungle gym. That shows that he cares about being seen as part of the group which means that he's not town. It's kinda complicated and most people will read this as more mumbo jumbo I'm sure. I think he's third party as opposed to scum because of how he's doing it. He's not actively trying to move anywhere in his posts, he's moreso trying to seem himself. He wants to CHUPAZI in his terms in many ways; he wants to pull the wool over the eyes. But it's still about him doing instead of him not being lynched. I really fear that this is coming off as, idk, crazy talk because that's how it feels.
Another example is idk the championship game where I was scum and replaced out. He was more than happy to engage in me Scooby Doo'ing it up with him. He's free and having fun. He's willing to be himself and willing to enjoy and engage in the game. Whereas here he's guarded. Like instead of seeing a direct bounce from one thought to another seemingly random one, it's one direct thought.
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On May 22 2014 17:29 Alakaslam wrote:
Hello
It is 1am but
Geript I am Blazinghand's best friend. Care to hazard a guess who that is?
Don't know. You two 3P lovers?
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I've never played the game slam. I'm not a big video gamer.
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Slam you're really not saying anything of note here.
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Like I'm not even talking about your role. Or name or whatever.
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On May 22 2014 17:57 Koshi wrote:
Survivors make sense. Too insane for scum. Too risky to be town.
Yah.
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On May 22 2014 18:00 marvellosity wrote:
So far: geript & Cav are being shit townies
austin's push on ritoky's increasingly feels like an attempt at a mislynch
Oh bless us with your wisdom you sexy scumhunting fiend you.
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On May 22 2014 18:09 marvellosity wrote:
I already did, and you ignored it, and you've been shitting up the thread ever since.
Yawn.
Funny how you ignore how Scumeling has done nothing but shit up the thread.
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