EPTOn May 24 2014 05:36 marvellosity wrote:
Koshi died? That is unbelievably annoying
?Koshi died? That is unbelievably annoying
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On May 24 2014 05:41 marvellosity wrote: + Show Spoiler + On May 24 2014 03:25 Hapahauli wrote: I'm going to use the above votecount to structure my thoughts. By looking at the votes, we can get a better idea about the motivations of certain players, and it can help identify certain mafia tells that might be present in a multi-faction game. I'm dividing posters into 3 categories:
People off of the main wagons: There's a good chance that certain mafia/faction members will want to "blend-in" and "hide", and one very instinctual way of doing that is to avoid the main course of discussion, take "non-controversial" stances, and avoid contributing by pursuing/voting someone who is not being talked about and has very little chance of getting lynched. In this category of players, we have: mtamburini rikoty geript Cephiro Tehpoofter kitaman sqrtofneg1 WaveofShadow I'm going to start with Mafia Reads, move to Null Reads, and then to Townies: Mtamburini + Show Spoiler + Mtamburini's vote looks extremely bad by all accounts. On May 23 2014 03:45 mtamburini wrote: I Vote:: tehpoofter why? No one else has and I can be the first one to say in post game if he is scum to say I TOLD YOU SO MOFOS harharharhar Tehpoofter had virtually no chance of getting lynched yesterday, and this is the definition of a wasted vote by all accounts. His reasoning for placing his vote where it was is also pretty suspect: why? No one else has and I can be the first one to say in post game if he is scum to say I TOLD YOU SO MOFOS On May 23 2014 04:36 mtamburini wrote: I have a lot of reading to catch up on so if I had to found scum based on the first 45 pages of this game I probably couldnt do so. poofter was in my initial scum reads moving towards null. ... On May 23 2014 04:59 mtamburini wrote: tehpoofter uses sarcasm as either allignment but you can usually tell by the tone of his sarcasm what allignement he is. From his initial posts Im reading the sarcasm as more scummy then towny All of this is really strange. The first two quotes can be barely considered reads. The 3rd quote is extremely manufactured and makes very little sense - tambo had never mentioned tehpoofters "sarcasm" all game, and then it shows up in a very mystical and unexplained read (what is the difference between town/mafia sarcasm?). Quote #2 is additionally strange - he voted a read (tehpoofter) that he felt was moving from Scummy to Null. Not only is this really weak, but he did so over Bunnies, who he's been seemingly tunneling most of the game, and has explicitly called her a strong scum-read in earlier posts. His rationale for not voting Bunnies is weak and makes little sense: On May 23 2014 04:36 mtamburini wrote: ... Im not going to vote on bunnies because I think she might be town and just needs some time to cool off and get her head in gear. ... To understand why this makes so little sense, read this post... http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/440546-golden-sun-the-lost-age-mafia-djinn-edition?page=45#896 ...then read page 3 of his filter: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/440546-golden-sun-the-lost-age-mafia-djinn-edition?user=mtamburini&page=3 He doesn't vote a scumread because he believes that scumread could be town, but then votes tehpoofter (his "scummy moving to null" read) because... man I don't even know. sqrtofneg1 + Show Spoiler + His deadline behavior is pretty strange. After he comes back a couple of hours before lynch deadline, he quickly establishes a town-read on Odin... On May 23 2014 03:03 sqrtofneg1 wrote: Okay, looking at Odin's filter myself, I think he's just a vanilla townie. Scum would try harder to get out of it. As a vanilla townie, he wouldn't care. On May 23 2014 03:26 sqrtofneg1 wrote: I recommend lynching Val. Odin may seem scum, but I think he's VT. It's a very poorly explained town-read. His point about "Odin not trying to get out of the lynch" doesn't make much sense either, since Odin had stated earlier he'd be gone until the deadline. Futhermore, Odin was under very little pressure at the time he said that. It seems more like he's trying to justify not voting for Odin as opposed to being sincere with his read. Sqrt then pops down a very "clean" vote on Valenius... On May 23 2014 03:12 sqrtofneg1 wrote: Okay, I've played games with both tambo and val, and here's what I've got so far. Valenius's filter from NMM LIV: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/445959-newbie-mini-mafia-liv?user=Valenius&view=all He was vanilla town. He was much more active in scumhunting, he was much more direct, he was different. Tambo's filter from NMM LV: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/447955-newbie-mini-mafia-lv?user=mtamburini He was vanilla town. The filter is a bit more strange because he claimed vig, but it's more accurate of his play than when he was cop imo. I've concluded that Valenius has been acting more strange, in comparison, rather than Tambo. ##Unvote ##Vote: Valenius ... then POOF! He's gone for the last two hours of shenanigans! Despite having a town read on Odin, he never seems to try and act on it to prevent it. He disappears... then instantly reappears at lynch deadline! This is a really suspicious 2 hours of absence. Another *really* odd thing about his filter is how many town reads he gives out over the course of the game. He gives them out like candy, is seemingly confident in a lot of them, and... yeah. I'm not sure if this is a mafia tell in this particular setup, but it's something that definetely caught my eye on a readthrough. Cephiro + Show Spoiler + Given that Cephiro was AFK for the last half of the day, it's hard for me to get an accurate read on him. However the first half of his day 1 play seems like it would come from some sort of faction. I won't talk much about the contents of his big case. What's more important is that he didn't talk about anything other than his case on bunnies at all. This lines up with the idea of a faction wanting to "hunt" for players, but not necessarily interested in contributing to town discussion. Again, hard to make a complete read on him due to him being AFK for a while, but his play objectively fits pretty well with how I'd think a faction member hunting other faction members would approach this game: find a target, push him/her, and really not contribute to town discussion otherwise. Ritoky + Show Spoiler + Hard to say. His play is pretty short and straightforward. He believed layabout was scum, voted him, and then had to step out: On May 22 2014 19:48 ritoky wrote: Well, I am going to sleep and I am not sure if I will make it back before the deadline. For me it's between WOS and layabout. WOS contributes and I basically don't like much of anything he says. Layabout doesn't contribute, and when he does its mostly shit filling. Gonna go with layabout. ##vote layabout Nothing in his filter that screams his alignment one way or the other. WaveofShadow + Show Spoiler + Well he replaced out. This makes a lot of his lack of interest and activity in the latter half of the game pretty explainable. I wasn't altogether please with his play (especially his stuff on Holyflare), but it's better not to make judgements about an incomplete filter and let his replacement talk some. Geript I believe to be town. Geript is extremely active and emotional this game. His tunnels seem very genuine, and while he ended up on BlazingHand, he definitely was very involved in the chaos and discussion of the day. He's drawn a ton of attention to himself, and really isn't someone I'm concerned about. Tehpoofter I'm less sure about, but I think he's town. He's playing extraordinarily different from his scum-game in You Only Shoot Once, and was fairly active/involved early on. He was afk for the last ~24 hours of the day (not changing his vote or posting at all), which leads me to believe his vote being off of one of the main wagons is a null-tell. Based on his early day behavior, I give him a moderate town read, with the expectation that he continues that in future days. That's Hapa's voting analysis thingy Hapa I don't think Cephiro is mafia atm. His whole bunnies thing was sooo convoluted. And I've seen him all over the place like that as town before. I remember catching him in LXII and his posts were much clearer. So yeah. sqrt I think I agree on, the Odin townread does kinda reek of TMI. On May 24 2014 05:21 sqrtofneg1 wrote: Woah, those kills are interesting. Filter dive time. On May 24 2014 05:30 sqrtofneg1 wrote: I think koshi's partner/teammate in his faction is jampi. On May 24 2014 05:35 sqrtofneg1 wrote: I can't find anything of value imo in bkq's filter... Also in MK's too. I'm bad at using town filters. | ||
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It's Townie Taking Action Post-Lynch city to me, trying to figure things out, while everyone else watches the Steveling and Blazinghand Happy FunTime Hour. | ||
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Hapa I will look at yellow. Please keep posting. Elderly heterosexual peruvian man, besides you being generally more active, can you talk about this?Inactive unknown maybehydra smurf maybe gets killed for reads, maybe gets killed because someone thinks it's a strong town hydra. Foolishness and WoS, you guys should...play the game. | ||
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Elderly heterosexual peruvian man, whatchoo think about hapa. | ||
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Also, I agree with your overall framework for kush, but not your conclusion. I think there IS some playful stuff, I think he's complaining just the right amount and he pops in for ... non-mafia stuff? Mafia can complain about spam all day, can complain about all sorts of stuff, can encourage bad behavior, instead kush, among other things, tries to pop in and explain whatever that bit was about you and geript and someone and when things are usually town or not. On May 22 2014 04:22 kushm4sta wrote: about the getript/sqrtneg1 exchange: sqrtneg1 (terrible name btw) says "hapa is town because he's townreading "two alpha towns fighting" getripts says "the person who does what hapa does is usually scum strpt says usually they are but in not this case sqrt thought getript was talking about himself getript was actually talking abotu hapa SO THE READING COMPREHENSION PROBABEM WAS WITH SQRT this is pointless btw I don't really see him bussing anyone except maybe you. I don't see him generally adding to thread disorganization. | ||
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On May 24 2014 06:11 Hapahauli wrote: What new, more important, and more reliable information?Who's not in my followup? Valenius? Who the hell cares if he's in my followup? Like do you seriously not understand that players are capable of reacting to new, more important, and more reliable information? If you say "people who dropped shitty votes for shitty reasons" or ANYTHING in that wheelhouse ---> yellow having scumreads of his own but just going with an RNG vote, slam basically not mentioning OOP then voting for him then VALENIUS, THE DUDE YOU WERE SCUMMY ON, DID THE EXACT SAME THING. He was scummy on you, worried about mtam earlier in the day, and he returns to make a case on you one minute and then THE NEXT MINUTE EXACTLY vote OOP, after never mentioning him, just to sheep BH's case. So if I'm supposed to understand that you can temporarily go looking outside your scumreads for people who just did a scummy thing, then...what I'm saying is that group of people that did that thing INCLUDES YOUR SCUMREAD. The dude that is a scumread AND does the new, more important, more reliable thing should be THE BIG FAT MEGA SCUMREAD AT THE TOP OF YOUR MIND. | ||
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If nothing else, i think people's reasoning on mtam and valenius is EQUALLY IMPORTANT. We basically came down to end of day with a couple candidates, 3 of em, and no other legitimate lynches. If someone has good ideas on mtam and valenius, and reads em both town, then they are 100% fine by me to vote OOP for no reason whatsoever, because he's the only non-town option for them out of 3. But if we lynch everyone who has crappy reasons to vote Odin we'll be here until 17 days after the game has already ended one way or the other. I'm valuing other stuff more. | ||
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On May 24 2014 06:17 marvellosity wrote: DON'T KNOW. Would he only hydra with other Pantheon people? Any of his other posts give you other specific feels?What would you like me to say about it? I had a strong sandroba-read on one of the heads. ARE YOU SO AFRAID OF TOWN-SANDROBA THAT YOU WOULD MURDER HIM IN COLD BLOOD OR WHATEVER ELEMENT OF BLOOD HIS KILL WAS? | ||
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Hapa does read legit frustrated. I'm out for a bit. Will come back read yellow, steveling (geript he smells pretty town and I don't want to read his D1 but I will) Mtam, you should super catch up and post and have a HAPPY and FUN time doing so. | ||
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On May 24 2014 06:34 marvellosity wrote: I am uncertain who is being referenced in this post.Also could you please tell austin that "lazy scum marv" means "wants to try but finds it hard to find the right things to talk about even though he wants to give it a good go" rather than "blatantly giving no fucks" | ||
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Some people in this game are MAFIA. If you are town they want to SHOOT YOU IN THE FACE. EVEN IN THE SCENARIO WHERE BH IS MAFIA, ALL THAT YOUR POSTING IS DOING IS LETTING MAFIA THROW A BUNCH OF CRAP INTO THE THREAD. IT'S NOT GOOD FOR THE THREAD AND IT'S ACTIVELY NOT GOOD FOR CATCHING BH IF HE'S MAFIA. IT'S JUST GOOD FOR MAKING A MESS. Please please pleeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeease. I can super relate to being overly paranoid and finding connections in odd places. In my first large game, I thought one guy might be scum because he mentioned it was difficult to type. I found out that one of the villians in the show that was the theme had a bandaid on his head. I would not shut up for a day or so about how he was mafia, but did not know his teammates and they had to find each other, thus, he was signalling his teammates he was mafia by referring to the bandaid. It was not true. It was also incredibly ridiculous. Really though that all caps paragraph. It's true. If he's mafia, this isn't helping to lynch him or catch him or anything. It's bad for us. If he's not mafia, still bad for us. All of this assumes right now that you are town. If you are mafia, carry on. | ||
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On May 24 2014 06:45 Steveling wrote: I will say that if he's truthful and says yes, then that's BAD FOR US BECAUSE SCUM COULD RECRUIT SOME DUDE THAT IS APPARENTLY IMPORTANT. If he's truthful and says no, then scum know not to try.I'm only asking why he revealed his role since he knew that he can be recruited. Is this a bad question? If he lies, we're SOL anyway because we don't know what the truth is. We also have no way of telling whether he's truthful or lying. So at BEST it gives us nothing, and at WORST the more BH talks about this, the better an idea scum get of how to deal with BH and maybe slam and maybe that elderly heterosexual peruvian guy now. I am ALSO going to leave this spoiler here, and you should click it. + Show Spoiler + On May 24 2014 06:31 Steveling wrote: Lmao. Then why the fuck did you reveal this you idiot. On May 24 2014 06:34 Steveling wrote: But they didn't know that you can be controlled. Only thing they may know and I'm not sure about that is that Isaac role can be controlled by a djinni. And you revealed that as a joke in d1. I want to lynch you. On May 24 2014 06:38 Steveling wrote: Is this it? You are supposed to be trying now? Explain why the fuck would you reveal that you are Isaac d1 seemingly for no reason at all if you knew that your role can be controlled. Go ahead. On May 24 2014 06:40 Steveling wrote: I'm questioning your fookin reasoning not you fookin role claim. Explain why you revealed your Isaac role as a joke to marv. Then I'm really going to get away from thread for a few hours. | ||
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MIGHT get you answers that MIGHT be true and you will NEVER know whether they are true or false and it MIGHT give information to mafia Unless you fully trust him to be town, you don't have any idea whether he's being truthful or jerking the ENTIRE GAME around for another 48 hours. Episode 2 of the BH show. If scum is super mega afraid of him, they will killify him, and we will be able to see that he was truthful. You could also lynch him because you want to know if he's town and being truthful. That is a bad plan. | ||
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Fool is town, building them cases. Fool has cases on mtam and kush. Bluey agrees with the kush case, but isn't sure on mtam.So really, there are two cases and Bluey likes one, dislikes the other, and considers Fool to be town for nothing more than building cases (at least in the above) We've already established that we're in a multi-faction game, and therefore scum can scumhunt other factions, which means that making cases in and of itself, even GOOD cases, doesn't mean what it normally would. If Bluey actually knows Foolish at all, he'd also know that scum Foolish doesn't never build cases, he's more than willing to put together long cases on townies OR on mafia buddies, because he HAS to, otherwise he'd be incredibly obvious. There's a lot more to the post than that, but the Fool read stuck out to me. It also made me go look back for Bluey's thoughts on mtam. Bluey, what were you referring to with this post? On May 21 2014 13:56 BlueyD wrote: I haven't super mega duper checked every page, but as this point poofter had a vote on mtam for no real reason, Foolish had not posted his mtam case thing until about 2 hours after, and hapa hadn't posted his mtam case. At the very least, there wasn't an mtam case that drew votes, but there may be one floating somewhere that I don't remember.I don’t like that the case on mtamburini seems to rely on a single post. It’s a really bad post due to format and scope, but the rest of the filter reads okay. | ||
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On May 24 2014 01:40 BlueyD wrote: At least for me, it's my most-townie thing in Bluey's filter. For all the weird thrawn stuff where thrawn apparently has magical powers and will awake to destroy all the mafia and end the world in a town victory or won't show magical powers and is therefore scum, BlueyD at this point IS looking at thrawn's filter, and appears to be looking critically. He could always throw out these thrawn reads about how magical powers will active, but this post looks like Bluey actually examining thrawn, and catching a particularly minor/funky point that nobody else brought up/saw.Meh, a few strange things in thrawn's filter (talks about "tambo" being lynchable then asks "who is tambo?" 3 posts down, zero explanation on switch to Odin but it's probably just BH's case) but nothing I feel I can build a case on. The early stuff is just thrawn being thrawn. Nullish read. Slam why do you say Yellow is incredibly trusting? Cuz he puts his trust in BH's RNG lynch before a case is even made, even though he has some scumreads? Isn't that your case as well? | ||
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