A Quiet Game of Mini Mafia

On January 07 2014 12:00 gumshoe wrote:

Cora scummy cause I don't like his face.

On January 07 2014 12:22 gumshoe wrote:


I don't really think your scum, I just don't like you ATM, and I don't think conversation between us would yield much seeing as we're both resolved to be hostile to one another ( or at least you are yah big jerk ) oh and if you did turn out to be scum I'd be pleasantly surprised ( :

On January 07 2014 18:07 raynpelikoneet wrote:
CheseCake - Artanis interaction and the outcome.
Go!

On January 07 2014 16:58 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Cheesydude and Artanis worry me from the people posting the most atm.

CC uses like ~15 posts in interacting with Artanis and after that gives a read on gumshoe and even a null read on WoS who has posted once, maybe twice. What was the point of discussing shit with Artanis as CC didn't even try to form a read on him.

Artanis did the same with gumshoe. Fuckton of interaction that ends up with calling gumshoe scummy but then again maybe not.

On January 07 2014 23:20 gumshoe wrote:



Pretty condescending.



He makes it out that Iamp is attacking everyone when in actuality hes only called out yamato, when I press him on this he responds



Critical levels of patronization achieved while dodging a question, I'd consider him scum if not for his reputation as a bit of a dick, sadly his back story makes it difficult for me at least whose never played with him to suss out his alignment. So instead I'll leave hunting Cora to people who know when hes bullshiting, or I'll go after him myself when I have something concrete. I am not trying to start a fight with him, I'm doing the opposite in fact by not committing to an honest conversation, because if we did the thread would burn going by his agitated tone. Also have you considered that I was trying to give scum something easy yet worthless to comment on in hopes of drawing them out?

I find it kinda funny that of all the things that happened in the thread, the first thing you feel the need to point out is how the "towniest" (others peoples words, not mine) player was acting like a dick... Do you think I'm scum? If not, how does pointing out something everyone knows help find scum? Also Cora isnt shitting up the thread at all, is the mere threat of him getting mad even if hes town more important than everything else thats happened in this game so far?? Also am I actively aggravating Cora? No, I dont interefere with his discussions with other people and Im only really trolling him whenever he tries to engage me. Man our exchanges havent even gone beyond 6 posts...

Its also noteworthy how you suddenly "realized" just how scummy cheese and Artanis looked after Rayn was kind enough to explain it to you...

Yeah I'm not liking you much, question for ya, why hasnt Cora burned up the thread yet if hes such a powder keg? Is he afraid of drawing attention to himself or does he just not care? If the latter why do you?

Oh and if it helps I havent actually read you girl blogs Cora ) : I also havent really meant any of the dumb shit I've said to you, the aggression itself has served me well though XD

On January 07 2014 23:34 iamperfection wrote:
jat do you have any inklings on players one way or the other? I know you said you dont have any real reads yet but you must have some inclinations no?


i cant really tell who your suspicious of by your posts besides calling something "fishy"?

On January 08 2014 01:53 wherebugsgo wrote:
I agree on Yamato. I would not mind killing him at all.

At the moment though, I want a bit more from a couple others. I want some opinions on the play of justanothertownie and kushm4sta.

Bonus points if you back up your opinions with concrete evidence (e.g. past games)

On January 08 2014 03:38 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Cheesecake is scum for inconsistent interactions with me. First he tries to win over my favour, when that fails he searches for every little thing to call me scum after noticing that the thread atmosphere allows easy pressure on me.

JAT is probably scum because he's parroting Rayn who made an incorrect conclusion but rather than checking it or reading up on what we've said he simply changes his opinion and copies it. No thoughts of his own, all deflection.

On January 08 2014 03:48 Artanis[Xp] wrote:

Because of being careless. Town wants to find scum, scum wants to find a target. It's how I caught Mocsta in LXIII and it's leading me to suspect you as well. How you come to the conclusion that I said nothing about CC when I clearly indicated I found him at least suspicious is beyond me other than simply parroting Rayn. Perhaps changing conclusion is the wrong wording, but you've created a new one entirely based on Rayn's words.

On January 08 2014 03:59 thrawn2112 wrote:

That's why scumpoints are bad. You are assigning CC scum points for misunderstanding a post. That's too weak of an accusation for me to believe but I can't tell how serious you are when you act silly while assigning scum reads.

I just refreshed the page and saw your recent post about the point I just brought up. Obviously I don't think it's a valid point.

On January 08 2014 04:01 Artanis[Xp] wrote:

Not really. I just substituted them.

On January 08 2014 04:09 Artanis[Xp] wrote:

The problem I have is that he did it after he accused me rather than before, but the matter is settled because I forgot that his initial accusation was rescinded.


On reflection I think you might be right. I might be too tunneled. His comeback just instantly felt like a Plan B when his initial plan failed.
I can't ditch the scumpointsᵀᴹ. They're too sexy.

What I am curious of though is that my interactions with CC clearly did read to a lead, even if I substituted it with a different read later it led me to information I felt was alignment indicative, yet you still conclude that my interactions did not give me a conclusion. How come?

On January 08 2014 04:16 thrawn2112 wrote:
So after all that, what's your current read on CC?

On January 08 2014 04:40 wherebugsgo wrote:


You seem to lack reading comprehension.

We can do the "no you first' thing all day, but if this is the best you can offer then I have no real reason to keep talking to you.

It isn't a personal thing, it's just that talking to someone who doesn't know how to further conversation is probably a dead-end at best. I offered you the chance at elucidating your current thoughts. They don't even have to be detailed. If you don't want to do even that then I can't be bothered to share more with you, since I have no clue whether sharing my current thoughts is even a good idea if I don't get decent information in return.

Why should I let scum have a head start into knowing whom I suspect so early, if it doesn't particularly benefit me? It only changes their behaviour when they know who is specifically under scrutiny.

On January 08 2014 04:53 wherebugsgo wrote:


More proof that Corazon is dumb, guys.

This is fun.



I'm sorry, are you actually trying to defend the guy who literally isn't bothering to play the game?

I just can't understand this type of mentality. Everyone on this forum complains constantly about lurkers and then when games roll around the lurkers are defended and the people who bother doing something about it are attacked.

Keep being dumb, I'm sure it's worked out so far.

On January 08 2014 05:01 wherebugsgo wrote:


So tell me, what do we lose by killing someone who is not playing the game?

How is what I am doing "not helpful"? Have you even thought about what you are typing so far? I wouldn't call you dumb if I seriously didn't think you were acting like it.

Do you think the game so far has had good discussion? If no, why the hell haven't you done something about it? If you are town, isn't that part of your job? What are you doing about players who are not contributing? What do you think you COULD be doing about them?

How many questions have you asked yourself while reading this game? Have you even bothered to think about half of the things I am asking you right now?

On January 08 2014 05:21 wherebugsgo wrote:


So again, I have to ask you. Do you really believe this garbage? I'm not so sure you do even subconsciously, otherwise we would not be having this conversation.

Saying this, and I really don't understand how people do this almost every game, but stuff like this really spurs me into calling you stupid. I really hate doing that, but even when I wave the answer in front of your face you still don't seem to get it.

Let me break it down into simpler terms.



You consider what we're doing now a "waste"? Until I came into this thread how much actual discussion of players occurred? Until I started having this conversation with you how much do you really think you knew about the game?

Are you really that naiive to think that me voting kush means I'm not going to do anything else for the rest of the day? That everyone else is going to simply accept my vote and then move on? That as scum I would be so stupid to vote for literally the easiest target in the game?

[spoiler]author's note: why the fuck do I have to point everything out to you like this? I feel the need to, given that you come off as dense based on your responses to my questions. Try to think or at least read more carefully next time.[/spoiler[

On January 08 2014 05:21 wherebugsgo wrote:

Again, are you thick?

Until I voted kush what kind of discussion was happening? We're having some sort of discussion now, but it's fruitless because you can't see what I'm trying to do. I even gave Corazon the opportunity to open a conversation with me and he basically said "no you" and pouted. So I called him dumb, because he is. Now you are basically doing the same thing.

Stop thinking about things on a surface level and start thinking about motivations. Think about WHY people would do things, not WHAT they are doing. Day 1 lynches are notoriously bad. Worse than random, in fact. It's because of shit like this. People don't know how to begin discussion, so sometimes you need to purposely kick them in the right direction by teasing them with information.

With that said, THINK ABOUT A KUSH LYNCH/LYNCH EFFORT AND WHAT IT MEANS BEYOND JUST KILLING HIM. Replace Kush with any name if you wish, just think about more than just the alignment of the player in question. The game is bigger than just the killing of players of different alignments.

Stop being so focused on the result of the lynch, because unless we have a really good lead today or stuff picks up right now we're probably going to kill a townie. That's just how it is.

On January 08 2014 05:21 wherebugsgo wrote:




Reread what you just said and think about it some more, because this is honestly one of the dumbest things you could say.

Have you never been in a game where people complain about the fact that so many people are lurking?

If you truly think you can't do anything about lurkers then the best thing for scum to do when they see that is not contribute at all, because you have basically just admitted to the fact that you will not punish that play. If you seriously believe that, it's not only dumb but scummy as hell.

On January 08 2014 05:25 wherebugsgo wrote:
from a scum perspective I would love any townie that says half of the stuff you are saying right now.

it means I could simply tell my team to conform and they would probably live, because it would only take minimal effort to stay alive. This is precisely why lurking wins scum games.

If you want to make the job of scum hard you need to punish first and foremost lurking. If you don't understand why that is, then one or more of the following are true:

1. You are bad at scum
2. You are failing to understand things from the perspective of scum
3. You are failing to understand why saying or doing certain things as town will affect scum play and make their job easier or harder.

On January 08 2014 05:57 wherebugsgo wrote:
EVERYONE says that.

"We can lynch them later."

No, you fucking can't. You don't punish lurkers, then there will be MORE OF THEM.

In fact, a lot of the time they won't be town. If you don't force them to contribute by voting them or pressuring them or discouraging lurking early, then you can never do it.

How is this so damn hard to understand? What makes it worse is the incessant whining about lurking on top of it, which is only really acceptable if people do something about it and lurkers still exist, which clearly is not the case.

The thing I love about all of this is how often you repeat yourself. You keep saying that voting kush is pure policy. This screams "I don't understand the game" over and over. You keep thinking about the product of the lynch, as if my vote is guaranteed to stay there. You keep thinking solely about policy without thinking at all about other parts of the game. You also keep saying this stuff without once positing an alternative.

If you can't understand these things my best course of action is to ignore you or try to kill you instead, which I'm not convinced is a good option. At the very least you are here discussing things, and no matter how bad/scummy your actions and words are that makes you one of the towniest of the lot.

On January 08 2014 07:04 wherebugsgo wrote:


You can't convince me because you haven't convinced me that you actually care about the game.

No one has, but all it would take is a bit of talking. You're more concerned with other things to waste time, despite how hard I've tried to get you to say something not stupid. In fact, this entire time you've been more concerned with how my vote is policy instead of actually doing something.

Think town discussion is bad? DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT.

Not voting, crying about my "policy lynch", admitting you have no reads, saying my stance is bullshit-none of these things sound productive to me. If you rolled town I bet you'd be one of those guys in the endgame that complains about how hard day 1 is and how lurkers suck.

On January 08 2014 07:56 wherebugsgo wrote:
I ask that because as a townie you should really have no fear of committing a vote. But, I get a strong feeling you don't want to commit a vote to anything.

On January 08 2014 08:16 kushm4sta wrote:
so whos scummy

On January 07 2014 22:17 Aquanim wrote:
VOTECOUNT

Mr. Cheesecake (1) - gumshoe

Raynepelikoneet (0) - Thrawn2112

Thrawn2112 (0) - Yamato77

WaveofShadow (1) - wherebugsgo, Thrawn2112

yamato77 (1) - Corazon

Nobody (10) - Everybody else

Day One ends in

On January 08 2014 08:22 justanothertownie wrote:
Are you going to tell me why you asked me about my opinion about those 2 now bugs? Or at least your opinion on them? Anything?

On January 08 2014 09:11 wherebugsgo wrote:
@justanothertownie

I asked about yamato because it's worrisome that he's put so little effort into playing so far. From what I remember about his play, he tends to at least care as town. He's probably decent enough as a player to slip by as scum without taking too much suspicion. In fact I think I recall someone linking a game of his (the hydra one) in which I read his filter and I probably would not have been able to tell he was scum without really thinking hard about his posts in context. Often times it's not possible to focus so hard on one player unless you already have an inkling about them (this happens all the time in my experience, no one catches all the scum in a game unless they are really good and the scum are also at least on some level bad, because no one is really able to piece together everything all at once in a game of limited information) However, in skimming that game I see a lot of similarities in attitude here.His posts are mostly one liners and don't really qualify much of anything at all, and he hasn't cared to even attempt a stance yet. It is early in the game and there are certain things he's said that could be interpreted as town tells, which is why I want some more opinions on him rather than creating an echo-chamber (which unfortunately I think is probably inevitable now)

As for WoS I wanted to see your opinion on him as he specifically targetted you and I also want to see what he's going to do. My opinion on him is not really full fledged yet and I want to see if he does what I think he's gonna do. I'll explain that later since time needs to pass before it is relevant.

On January 08 2014 09:14 Corazon wrote:
Hey Kush, let's lynch WBG. Maybe he can call you dumb too.

##unvote
##vote: WBG

On January 08 2014 09:35 wherebugsgo wrote:
ffs kush is in two games for now.

His complaint is that I've never heard of RL. My complaint is, don't fucking sign up for two games (or any at all) if you're going to, to quote him, "play like this."

It's not our job to just "deal with it" and it's sad that the community does not do something to discourage it.

On January 08 2014 10:17 WaveofShadow wrote:
Maybe I can get WBG to call me dumb too.

On January 08 2014 10:21 WaveofShadow wrote:
Bring it, suckas.
JAT:

Until prodded endlessly by WBG, he contributed nothing to the thread besides the nitpicking of other people's posts and reads and providing none of his own. Not a huge fan of his posting thus far---a little too 'fence-sitty' for my liking but whateva.

Iamp can I have a looky at you next?

On January 08 2014 10:20 Corazon wrote:

It's easy for scum to fake that. His logic was not even good. He started calling me dumb because I asked him to actually contribute when he said he wouldn't until I did. He blatantly admitted to not have read the thread and he decided to attack kush, who at the time had 0 posts, and called him stupid until he did some random 180 and called kush town (while keeping his vote on him). He then OMGUSs me when I call him out for it.

To me, it looks faked and it looks like he just wants to survive.

On January 08 2014 10:30 WaveofShadow wrote:

LOL I DID notice that.
Cora what turned the lightbulb on?


Conversation yes, good contribution imo no. You offered exactly zero reads or opinion of your own aside from those that served to pick on others' posts and logic. Very VERY easy to do as scum. I dunno 'bout you yet.

On January 08 2014 10:36 WaveofShadow wrote:

I didn't; I was giving my read of you. I find your posting up until the reads you gave that WBG wrenched out of you forcefully neutral and unopinionated in a meaningful way. If you don't see the difference between yours and WBG's posting during that conversation than I don't believe there is more I can say on the matter.

On January 08 2014 10:44 WaveofShadow wrote:

Nope.
Wrong.
The way I see it, WBG reveals a great deal about himself in the way he defends his policy lynch and most importantly puts himself out there. Everything you had posted up until that point was simply an attack or criticism of somebody else. You know, I'll give you that you're right I suppose in that it is not a read in the proper sense but at least it allows the entire thread to attempt a read of him. His posts are not guarded, careful. Yours reek of it.

On January 08 2014 10:48 WaveofShadow wrote:

And here's the thing about WBG. I'd call him town simply based on his lurker rage (because it is something I strongly can identify with throughout multiple games) but my issue there is I don't know bugs well. It is entirely possible that he's a clever duck and is jumping on the leftover rage bandwagon from the recent drama threads and is harnessing that in this game or some shit. I don't know how he TRULY feels, or what he is capable of as scum.

On January 08 2014 10:51 WaveofShadow wrote:

He doesn't just [i]talk[/] about policy. He is throwing it left and right. As I said, it is entirely possible he is doing it as scum and the rage is faked, but if he's scum, to me it's for a different reason than why you are. Sorry JAT, call it shitlogic if you want but that's my stance on the matter. I see differences in your posting styles and your methods of attack even if the content may run similar at points.

On January 08 2014 10:54 wherebugsgo wrote:


when you're back I'd love to hear a yamato/WoS comparison.

I prefer yamato right now over WoS. Do you think a scum WoS would be this active in clarifying his thoughts on different players? What experience do you have with WoS?

I think I played with WoS once but my last game was like 8-9 months ago. It'd be nice if people can point me to instances of his meta where he does or does not do what he is doing now. I'm going to look into it myself but obviously it's easier with other people who already have that experience at hand.

Lastly, I'd also like to hear what you think of Corazon. My initial impression was simply that he's bad. I seem to recall reading his posts in another game when I was lurking the forum and I think I got a similar impression then. However he keeps saying things that are blatantly untrue. Have you seen him play scum before? What does his town play look like?

On January 08 2014 13:25 Corazon wrote:
Stop stop stop stop stop Rayn and Thrawn.

Thrawn - lynching Rayn D1 is a bad idea. If Rayn is town, he is going to be a great asset to us going forward. He should be a policy lynch if he lasts longer than N2.

On January 08 2014 23:38 raynpelikoneet wrote:

Your vote on WoS was reasonable because i thought the same thing you and kush did when you reacted to his post. The thing i find scummy is when WoS interacted with people after that you retracted from the vote back to yamato for reasons that were "well at least WoS is here talking but yamato is not".

If you really thought WoS is scummy why didn't you keep your vote on him and pressure him about his scummy post(s)? This is exactly what i was trying to say to WBG, you did the exact thing i was worried about people voting for yamato when he earlier on promised to contribute when he had more time.

To me that seems like you did not even care about WoS' alignment, because why would you not keep your vote on him if you think he did something scummy? Why did you not want to hear more from him? If you give him a "free pass" by rectracting your pressure/vote what does that achieve?

On January 09 2014 01:08 iamperfection wrote:

no we are lynching yamato he is scum for sure

On January 09 2014 03:01 thrawn2112 wrote:


no i think kush is town and tbh he's not annoying or disruptive or anything. half of the "anti town" shit he says I can see coming before you even poke at him... you guys make it so easy for him to troll you

On January 09 2014 03:30 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
Reading through the interaction between WBG / JAT left a distaste in my mouth for jat. The whole instance where jat was calling out wbg for calling out kush and not furthering town discussion was bs. jat what is your read on WBG after the interaction?

in terms of policy lynching im down for lynching either because yolo, why not?

On January 09 2014 03:42 WaveofShadow wrote:

You used this point against be as well iirc, and I showed hwo to me there was a definite difference between WBG's and your posting during that time. Why do you constantly find the need to come back to it?

On January 09 2014 03:51 WaveofShadow wrote:

Them's some harsh words JAT.
Who are you voting again?

On January 09 2014 03:55 WaveofShadow wrote:

No I actually was too lazy and absorbed in arguing with Cora to check atm, and had figured you had voted somebody at some point; couldn't remember.
If I had known that, the question would have been (and is now) who would you like to vote? (As I am trying to steer a conversation from the stuff you feel we can 'drop' now to something mroe releveant.)

On January 09 2014 04:00 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Corazon talks about some irrelevant misunderstanding and still refuses to tell me where thrawn's ultimate contributions to scumhunting were. Lynch with fire.

On January 09 2014 04:03 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
Now that extractor is over with, fuck inactives and people that don't do shit. what in the hell, coagulation did nothing the entire game, and hammered himself at lylo AS TOWN

On January 09 2014 04:16 yamato77 wrote:
Not lynching anyone but Cora.

If I get lynched, you're all at fault and you can blame yourselves when I flip town.

peace

On January 09 2014 04:23 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Like, in the last game, four people HAMMERED THEIR TOWNREAD!!
I don't want those kinda people alive later on in the game.
Period.

On January 09 2014 04:27 thrawn2112 wrote:


I'm asking because I have no idea what your reads are because you've talked about corazon all game long. You haven't said anything about anyone else.

On January 09 2014 04:30 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:


This part is interesting to me, can anyone tell me why it is interesting?

On January 09 2014 04:33 justanothertownie wrote:

Not really. Why don't you tell me?

On January 09 2014 04:58 raynpelikoneet wrote:

WHERE THE FUCK DO I SAY I KNOW CORAZON'S ALIGNMENT?

On January 09 2014 05:01 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I literally said "They have proven they are no use to town, even if they are town".
The key word here is "EVEN". Holy fucking shit, can't people read any more?

On January 09 2014 05:04 raynpelikoneet wrote:

They will not help the town win even if they are town.
This is proven by their posts in this game. They have proven they can't help the town, nowhere i fucking say they are town.

On January 09 2014 05:46 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:


Rayn, I don't even know what to say. I know why people don't bother anymore.

I think ill ask for a replacement, I just don't care if rayn is town or scum but playing with him is actually infuriating as hell when you're town.

On January 09 2014 05:50 wherebugsgo wrote:


Suppose we lynched Cheese.

He flips town.

What happens then?

On January 09 2014 05:53 wherebugsgo wrote:
wtf??

That's not how this game works. You can't just fucking lynch someone and then not accept that you messed up.

On January 09 2014 05:56 wherebugsgo wrote:
like seriously, I'm tempted to try to get you lynched for saying that, because that's literally what scum want to do.

for clarity I'm talking about this post:



Someone's reads being bad or badly reasoned are not enough to call them scum and lynch them unless they have a history of being good AND if the reasoning is clearly bad despite there being good evidence for them to have good reads in the same situation.

There are plenty of townies who don't often catch that many scum who often don't get lynched despite being called bad every game, because you don't just lynch someone for having bad reads. You also don't nonchalantly say that it's their fault for getting lynched after you fuck up and lynch them for the wrong reasons, cause it's the voters' faults.

On January 09 2014 05:56 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Anyways dick move analysis says CC is town.
##unvote
I hate when people confirm themselves town this way.

On January 09 2014 05:56 wherebugsgo wrote:
like seriously, I'm tempted to try to get you lynched for saying that, because that's literally what scum want to do.

for clarity I'm talking about this post:



Someone's reads being bad or badly reasoned are not enough to call them scum and lynch them unless they have a history of being good AND if the reasoning is clearly bad despite there being good evidence for them to have good reads in the same situation.

There are plenty of townies who don't often catch that many scum who often don't get lynched despite being called bad every game, because you don't just lynch someone for having bad reads. You also don't nonchalantly say that it's their fault for getting lynched after you fuck up and lynch them for the wrong reasons, cause it's the voters' faults.

On January 09 2014 06:04 wherebugsgo wrote:


EXACTLY

I'm trying to avoid frothing at the mouth at rayn's vote on CC for precisely this fucking reason. We don't achieve anything by lynching CC now, the vote is fucking wasted because we spent all day pressuring TWO OTHER PLAYERS.

How do you people take so long to fucking understand this??

I've been saying we need to consolidate for over 12 hours now. The town has gone to shit because of the few players we have they are completely unwilling to listen and cooperate. Instead we have a shitfest like every other minute.

Killing Corazon will probably rid ourselves of a significant amount of the shitposting, given that he's managed to piss off myself, rayn, WoS, and basically everyone else he's talked to. Killing kush would probably accomplish a similar thing but he's actually easier to ignore and harder to read.

On January 09 2014 05:56 wherebugsgo wrote:
like seriously, I'm tempted to try to get you lynched for saying that, because that's literally what scum want to do.

for clarity I'm talking about this post:

On January 09 2014 06:18 wherebugsgo wrote:


uh what

I didn't call you scummy. Your self fixation is starting to bother me a bit.

On January 09 2014 06:25 kushm4sta wrote:
wos why are you mentioning me in every post?

##vote wos
again

On January 09 2014 06:27 wherebugsgo wrote:


I should have been clearer.

I'd ordinarily call you scummy, but I was merely tempted because I think you just legitimately don't know better.

On January 09 2014 06:36 raynpelikoneet wrote:

Basically this, and yes, i actually think Corazon is mafia, so i am not policy lynching here.

On January 09 2014 06:37 wherebugsgo wrote:


kush is like this literally every game regardless of his alignment.

No one has bothered to provide opinions on kush aside from flaming him, whereas almost everyone in the game has commented on Cora at some point. Regardless of how he flips this gives us something to work with. In addition, I would say that Corazon has been around more often and actually been more detrimental than kush has.

As for gumshoe at this point I don't even know if the mods will let him live. You can't read a player when they haven't bothered to play the game at all. Lynching them is worse than a coin flip.



Okay, let me be blunt.

Your play so far has led me to label you "dumb town".

There are lots of things you've said that have led me to think you are town, but it's more because very few scum would be so careless as to say things so blatantly...well, scummy.

If I had determined that you had that attitude based on an inference, e.g. reaction to a flip or something like that, rather than something you just came out and said, I'd be more likely to label you scum than bad.

On January 09 2014 06:51 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I'd have kush.

On January 09 2014 07:05 Corazon wrote:
I don't care anymore. Rayn has browbeaten me into submission. This is my last post. GG

On January 09 2014 08:04 Corazon wrote:

No, this game is different.
In this game, I'm getting attacked for my scummy play. In titanic, DP was personally attacking me, calling me a "retard" among other things. Rayn was also involved in it (although he apologized and things were cool between us).

I was definitely not bullied as a person. None of the posts made in this game were personal attacks and I'm grateful for that and I hope it is due to my improved behavior.

I'm not ragequitting. I'm conceding (for myself, not the rest of the team). I played bad and deserve to be lynched.

On January 09 2014 03:44 thrawn2112 wrote:


the problem is I no longer want to lynch corazon

On January 09 2014 10:36 thrawn2112 wrote:


Please tell me why you said this.

On January 09 2014 16:33 wherebugsgo wrote:
I'm lecturing you assholes because you're all saying really stupid things like "day 1 countered wagons have to be town" and "if we kill a townie we just rinse and repeat"

If it didn't sound like you were all clueless I wouldn't have to keep yelling at you for forgetting the newbie guide.

On January 09 2014 16:32 raynpelikoneet wrote:

Not really, no. At least i don't. I don't think your reasons for thinking thrawn is scum are good because you can't tell thrawn's alignment based on what Corazon says about him and the "buddying one guy and not the other people" thingy is just meh but i don't have pa roblem with you because i think thrawn is scum.

On January 09 2014 21:54 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Insta re-roll roles and go?

On January 10 2014 00:54 iamperfection wrote:

i had artanis as scum in my notes

I had mr CC as a town read regardless of any dick move analysis.

If one of Artanis/CC died at some point do you think the players who would be left alive would have killed the other, after how they attacked each other?

I don't know that's why we play the game out.


Like i dont think you can expect every player to bleed townieness bugs. Would make for a boring game. Some players are better than others skill wise. And its kind of silly to predict on how the game will play out based on where your reads are as of now. Say we put some heat on jat maybe he comes out of it like yamato did maybe he doesn't. Maybe artanis picks up his activity and plays better maybe he doesn't. I didn't really have a problem with any player besides kush.

regardless everybody was at least posting somewhat like i dont believe there was anyone with like 2 posts.

On January 09 2014 21:55 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Our QT features 31 posts of which about 10 are Aquanim. I'm not sure it's worth posting.

On January 10 2014 01:01 iamperfection wrote:
that's not what i said. I said its pretty impossible to say for certain how the game will play out.

On January 10 2014 01:05 wherebugsgo wrote:


Okay, well let me put it this way.

I have won games from Artanis's position.

My second scum game, 9 player mini. My partner got lynched day 1 and we still ended up winning.

My point with regards to CC/artanis is that assuming neither was modkilled, as even the host said, I seriously doubt CC would have gotten serious lynch attention, ever. Towards lylo there are fewer players to kill but by that point the players who are left do not all that often make the best plays.

And again, precedent exists for this. Similar thing to this game happened in June with GM's smurf mini. Scum got replaced instead of mod killed and the town didn't lynch the replacements...because they were replacements.

On January 10 2014 01:29 iamperfection wrote:

CONGRATULATIONS YOU WON!!!!

On January 11 2014 01:52 raynpelikoneet wrote:

Well this is what at least i do every game.
It usually also works, if not for my team then for the opposite team. haha

I think in mafia games the biggest flaw for people is that they are afraid to make mistakes.