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On January 08 2014 11:39 wherebugsgo wrote:Show nested quote +On January 08 2014 11:35 iamperfection wrote: wave didnt run away and is at least posting thoughts so lets kill yamato
## Unvote ##vote yamato Cora, on the other hand, did (and really didn't post much of anything while he was here anyway). I'm interested to see what happens if I switch as well. WoS will probably switch too, so yamato will have some pretty serious momentum before anyone else arrives back in the thread. ##unvote
##vote yamato
No one to switch to, he is my first and only vote.
On January 08 2014 11:37 wherebugsgo wrote:Show nested quote +On January 08 2014 11:21 WaveofShadow wrote: Bugs what do you make of Cheese v Artanis that everybody seemed to want to comment on a while ago? seemed to me like Artanis had a natural focus on Cheesecake (sort of how i have a natural focus on Corazon) simply because they were interacting. I could sort of follow the conversation from both perspectives; i.e. if you were to pretend to be town Artanis or town Cheesecake, do you think their actions make sense? For the most part they seem to make sense. I haven't read into Cheesecake too heavily, but as far as Artanis goes the major thing that concerns me is his lack of presence today. It probably doesn't mean anything, but if he's still not present tomorrow I'd be worried. His posting tone so far seems fine to me. Another thing is that he sort of deflected giving an opinion on Yamato (IIRC he said something about not having played with scum yamato in a long time) and a bit more minor is that I don't really agree with his opinions, but I think they can reasonably be justified from his perspective. Sadly it's a "let's wait and see" on him, Cheese, yamato...basically everyone in the filter list that is not a townread to me for now. I would rank yamato at the top of the scum list, though.
I dunno...I really didn't find anything worth commenting on throughout that conversation---at least not nearly as much as others did. Don't have much of a read on either so I'll take a closer look soon.
Can I ask you bugs, what changed between this post:
Why should I let scum have a head start into knowing whom I suspect so early, if it doesn't particularly benefit me? It only changes their behaviour when they know who is specifically under scrutiny. and now?
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Thrawn I believe you never responded to my question of you, being why exactly you felt the need to question my call-out of your vote-bait. You still haven't explained any of it, only dodged me when I ask you despite me answering every question you've asked of me.
I am not impressed.
Rayn why should we vote thrawn over yamato?
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On January 08 2014 13:03 yamato77 wrote: We're not lynching me. ....because.......?
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On January 08 2014 13:06 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On January 08 2014 13:02 WaveofShadow wrote: Rayn why should we vote thrawn over yamato? I dunno if you are reading closely but i think i have explained why i think yamato is town. That was yesterday, wasn't it?
On January 07 2014 23:44 raynpelikoneet wrote:Not really. He didn't say "hi" to the thread. That's like a scumclaim. j/k, i dunno about JAT. Actually no, i think yamato is town. There is some sort of a process going on in his head on his read on me. When he is scum there is no process, he just posts some stuff and tryhard reads or does not post anything.Dunno about bugs either, have never played with him. I have some super secret scumreads but i am waiting for all people to post. Aside from the tryhard reads part I don't really see anything that doesn't fit with your idea of a scum yamato. Hell even then, can you outline exactly what sort of 'process' yamato has going on? I don't see it.
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On January 08 2014 13:10 yamato77 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 08 2014 13:05 WaveofShadow wrote:On January 08 2014 13:03 yamato77 wrote: We're not lynching me. ....because.......? You'll see. Alrighty I look forward to it but the vote (probably?) stays until that point. You understand, of course.
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On January 08 2014 13:06 raynpelikoneet wrote: On a sidenote i love bugs, that's exactly how you play mafia and JAT and Corazon are being dumb. That does not mean they are scum though. And I'm not sure I necessarily agree with the 'dumb' part, but I certainly have enjoyed WBG's play thus far. It's pretty damn refreshing. Bugs you need to get more of the players from when you used to play back into it.
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On January 08 2014 13:25 Corazon wrote: Stop stop stop stop stop Rayn and Thrawn.
Thrawn - lynching Rayn D1 is a bad idea. If Rayn is town, he is going to be a great asset to us going forward. He should be a policy lynch if he lasts longer than N2.
Rayn - you need to stop OMGUSing and overreacting when people vote for you. This debate isn't going to help anyone. This is exactly what derailed the game in BttB.
I'm begging for you to please drop this silly argument and resume it D2 or D3. We don't need this right now. Let's focus on actual scummy people like WBG, Yamato, and the inactives (in my opinion, CC, Yamato, Artanis (to an extent), Kush (to an extent, and mkfuba). So....2/3 of the game? Ugh I really don't like this post Cora.
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On January 08 2014 13:24 raynpelikoneet wrote: thrawn: Well then you should not post when you are under influence. I stopped posting drunk when i realized that's a fucking terrible idea. yamato even asked you to stop posting last night when you told us you are stoned.
WoS: I try to elaborate as well as i can onto yamato. What yamato does as mafia is two things. He does not play for an all game plan. He plays for (1) survival, usually lurks, and (2) fuels arguments between townies. 1 and 2 are important, usually lurking is something that's not so important as he is able to change that if he wants to. 1) This can be seen in GoT, where i played scum with him. We had a game plan from the beginning but yamato's mindset was pretty much "i won't get lynched on D1". I don't remember he was doing much else than trying to survive D2. 2) This can be seen from 4 Persona, where yamato's pure purpose was to fuel me vs you argument until it ended up in a townie lynch. After that he discredited me for all D2, but when i basically solved the game on N2 he had no other option than to night kill me, even though i lynched a cop on D1 and had a red check on me. That's how "confident" yamato feels his scumplay is.
What he has done in this game is neither of those things. Would you not consider his last couple of posts 'confident' in him not getting lynched today? I dunno Rayn it's like I said to WBG, I am not particularly good at meta, and I very rarely see it getting used well so I can't really take reads solely based on meta into account. I see what yamato has done in this game, and it's scummy.
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On January 08 2014 13:31 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On January 08 2014 13:29 WaveofShadow wrote:On January 08 2014 13:24 raynpelikoneet wrote: thrawn: Well then you should not post when you are under influence. I stopped posting drunk when i realized that's a fucking terrible idea. yamato even asked you to stop posting last night when you told us you are stoned.
WoS: I try to elaborate as well as i can onto yamato. What yamato does as mafia is two things. He does not play for an all game plan. He plays for (1) survival, usually lurks, and (2) fuels arguments between townies. 1 and 2 are important, usually lurking is something that's not so important as he is able to change that if he wants to. 1) This can be seen in GoT, where i played scum with him. We had a game plan from the beginning but yamato's mindset was pretty much "i won't get lynched on D1". I don't remember he was doing much else than trying to survive D2. 2) This can be seen from 4 Persona, where yamato's pure purpose was to fuel me vs you argument until it ended up in a townie lynch. After that he discredited me for all D2, but when i basically solved the game on N2 he had no other option than to night kill me, even though i lynched a cop on D1 and had a red check on me. That's how "confident" yamato feels his scumplay is.
What he has done in this game is neither of those things. Would you not consider his last couple of posts 'confident' in him not getting lynched today? I dunno Rayn it's like I said to WBG, I am not particularly good at meta, and I very rarely see it getting used well so I can't really take reads solely based on meta into account. I see what yamato has done in this game, and it's scummy. It's not scummy, it's "not caring". That's not necessarily scummy, especially for yamato who has been not caring as town many times at the start of the game. Well as I already said to him, we'll see. You want to discuss Cora's recent return to the thread with a terrible 'AMG Mommy and Daddy are fighting please stop'? And of course directing us to focus our attention on basically everybody else.
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Cora, I HIGHLY doubt WBG is getting lynched today, and if he were, I HIGHLY doubt it would be anything you posted that got him there.
Why is yamato scum, Cora?
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On January 08 2014 13:40 Corazon wrote: I don't know Rayn, it's hard to be cooperative with a gun down your throat. This is a terrible excuse. How long do we have until the lynch? Hell not only that, I believe I was in the EXACT same position as you not 3 hours ago.
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Cora I absolutely hate this 'woe is me, everyone's against me, look at people lying and twisting my words' attitude. I've read some of the other games you've played in and you do this all the time. Sack up and fucking play the game.
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On January 08 2014 13:52 Corazon wrote:Show nested quote +On January 08 2014 13:49 WaveofShadow wrote: Cora I absolutely hate this 'woe is me, everyone's against me, look at people lying and twisting my words' attitude. I've read some of the other games you've played in and you do this all the time. Sack up and fucking play the game. Then stop fucking lying about every single post I make. I may have to put you on ignore like I do kush. You are insanely infuriating.
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On January 08 2014 13:57 Corazon wrote:Show nested quote +On January 08 2014 13:56 WaveofShadow wrote:On January 08 2014 13:52 Corazon wrote:On January 08 2014 13:49 WaveofShadow wrote: Cora I absolutely hate this 'woe is me, everyone's against me, look at people lying and twisting my words' attitude. I've read some of the other games you've played in and you do this all the time. Sack up and fucking play the game. Then stop fucking lying about every single post I make. I may have to put you on ignore like I do kush. You are insanely infuriating. It's infuriating to have you twist my words. This is a two way street, brother. I'm trying my hardest to be nice, but when you do this shit to me, it's hard to be cordial. You take any talk against you as a personal affront. Even IF you could consider what I said about you lying, then I can do the very same to you by picking out all of the hyperbole where you talk about every thing I say about you a lie and twisting your words. I am absolutely not going to contribute to your misguided way of thinking and acting by furthering this argument of semantics and playstyle as it will only serve to be inconsequential and shit up the thread. I'll get what I need in regards to reads about you through your interactions with others.
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On January 08 2014 14:07 wherebugsgo wrote: before I forget and go to sleep, I want to make this clear:
it's important that people look at the way players enter and reenter the thread. Yamato's reentrance is scummy as shit. iamp's is towny as hell. This is pretty easy to see, but there are instances where this is quite difficult.
Today, I didn't see any of the following four:
Cheesecake Artanis gumshoe mkfuba
From towniest to scummiest, in that order. Both CC and Artanis look fine, and gumshoe is a bit iffy to me, but mkfuba in particular looks awful. I know he tends to play what I like to call "scummy town" but his posts in particular are very on-the-fency and generally quite nebulous. His only attack so far has been on Cora, and it was quite weak. After his initial small amount of activity he has since disappeared.
What's important is that we note the reentrance into the thread of all 4 of these players. If you are around when they come back I implore you to question them. I will do so myself if I'm awake at the time. Does it work if you warn them...?
I know I wasn't asked Rayn, but I agree with him actually. Well, sort of? Probably wouldn't lynch you D1 at least not in this game (though that doesn't apply to every game necessarily).
Oh wait lol policy lynch you D3 just because you're alive? That's ridiculous. Shit I better be careful what I say though. Don't want to be twisting any words or lying.
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On January 08 2014 14:12 thrawn2112 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 08 2014 13:57 wherebugsgo wrote: As for Cora, if he routinely plays like this (something that I will try to confirm for myself later, probably early tomorrow when I wake up) then he's probably not scum since there are ways one can justify his play from a town perspective. It's hard, but doable. However he's still a reasonable alternate choice if something drastic changes with regards to yamato. This is a pretty tame variation of what you'd normally get but the attitude is the same. I have known him to fudge his explanations as town to avoid suspicion and other "scummy" stuff like that so you need to approach with caution. TBH I kinda expected him to blow up at some of the things people have already said, so I need to read some of his scum games to see if the more passive, instead of hostile, woe-is-me attitude fits his scum play. This actually may very well strike home with me a little. Do you think Cora is playing me purposefully rather than blowing this up further? I know he has been doing his best to change his attitude outside of games, but to me this looks like exactly the kind of shit people get pissed off at him every game for.
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On January 08 2014 14:18 wherebugsgo wrote:Show nested quote +On January 08 2014 14:16 thrawn2112 wrote:On January 08 2014 14:11 WaveofShadow wrote: I know I wasn't asked Rayn, but I agree with him actually. Well, sort of? Probably wouldn't lynch you D1 at least not in this game (though that doesn't apply to every game necessarily).
The problem with that explanation isn't that it's illogical, because it makes sense. The problem is that it's a standard, cut and paste answer that can be thrown in any time a scum player wants to justify not pushing a certain lynch. As town you can still hold that opinion that rayn shouldn't be lynched on D1 but you should be able to form a read based on D1 play. In other words, "lynching X is bad on D1 so I'm not gonna worry about him" is a scummy substitute for a read actually it's worse than that, it's akin to setting up a lynch for later. Let's pretend he's scum for a second and he wants to push me as a lynch today. Assuming I don't die and his team doesn't find rayn a threat, he'll just leave rayn alive, right? So then let's say I do end up dying at some point, then all he has to do is turn around on his old read of rayn and push that on a later day. Easy pickings.I do this all the time as scum. The problem is that this requires an assumption about Corazon's play that I am not comfortable with making right now. I'm not so sure how to read him atm. Only if anyone would follow a push on horrible reasoning. It's a blatantly bad scumplay if true.
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On January 08 2014 14:24 thrawn2112 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 08 2014 14:18 WaveofShadow wrote:On January 08 2014 14:12 thrawn2112 wrote:On January 08 2014 13:57 wherebugsgo wrote: As for Cora, if he routinely plays like this (something that I will try to confirm for myself later, probably early tomorrow when I wake up) then he's probably not scum since there are ways one can justify his play from a town perspective. It's hard, but doable. However he's still a reasonable alternate choice if something drastic changes with regards to yamato. This is a pretty tame variation of what you'd normally get but the attitude is the same. I have known him to fudge his explanations as town to avoid suspicion and other "scummy" stuff like that so you need to approach with caution. TBH I kinda expected him to blow up at some of the things people have already said, so I need to read some of his scum games to see if the more passive, instead of hostile, woe-is-me attitude fits his scum play. This actually may very well strike home with me a little. Do you think Cora is playing me purposefully rather than blowing this up further? I know he has been doing his best to change his attitude outside of games, but to me this looks like exactly the kind of shit people get pissed off at him every game for. I'm a bit confused. Are you saying that you don't think he was as hostile as town Corazon would have been? But you don't know how to reconcile this judgement with how he may or may not have changed after recent drama? If you are, then sadly that's not really a productive conversation we can have out in the open so we'll just have to decide for ourselves. ....pretty much. Doing my best not to bring anything from outside or personal attacks into this, but I may or may not be succeeding so well, hence my decision to drop dealings with him for now.
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Dunno, got lost in the noise. Link for specific posts?
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'Cause I'm watching ESGN HS Fight Night VOD, and I thought I could ask you on the off chance you wouldn't get mad at me for it,and because I NEVER ask people for stuff like this and do the legwork myself, so I figure I'm allowed for once.
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