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yamato77
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
11589 Posts
January 08 2014 14:36 GMT
#713
On January 08 2014 23:29 wherebugsgo wrote:
Here's what I don't understand about Yamato (who, by the way, is clearly not reading the thread properly, as can be seen by one single thing that in fact makes his case on iamp completely pointless)

He comes back and posts a bunch of stuff on Cora and WoS. The stuff on Cora is fine, the stuff on WoS is also mostly fine but probably not exactly entirely true in the context of the game (read: it sounds like a filtercase) and the stuff on iamperfection, while partly true, is...lol. The amount of evidence there to call iamp scum is honesty vastly underwhelming compared to yamato's description of Cora's play.

Yet, the most important part is that Yamato voted iamp. But he did one thing, and put it into spoilers. The host did not count the vote. If Yamato were reading the thread and truly were interested in killing iamperfection, wouldn't he revote after there were two indications that his vote had not been counted? There was both a host message and a vote count. Smells like he's not reading the thread.

Well, bugs, that would be meaningful, but my vote on iamp doesn't do much unless I discuss with other people and they agree with me, so it doesn't really make any difference to me at this moment whether it was counted or not. Obviously it still had the desired effect of forcing him to respond.

If that's your biggest gripe with my play then I don't see the problem here. I have a dentist appointment I have to go to, and after I'm back, we're going to find a good lynch. I'll deal with iamp at that time.
Writer@WriterYamato
yamato77
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
11589 Posts
January 08 2014 14:37 GMT
#714
On January 08 2014 23:35 wherebugsgo wrote:
The other thing that is completely scummy as fuck is that he took so much time to come back with something so underwhelming.

If he truly were interested in killing iamp he'd be scrambling for us to voteswitch, yet he basically did juuuust enough to throw suspicion off himself. The day ends in like 9 hours, surely Yamato is not dumb enough to have missed that. So, why did he pop back in, vote, and then leave? No push to convince people that they are wrong about him and, more importantly, wrong about iamperfection? If he were reading the thread wouldn't he know how townish several people have labeled iamp (I myself said something about it). If he actually cared, he'd definitely have noticed that his vote didn't count.

Instead he just disappeared right after posting. That's something scum do.

How many times have you all played scum to have a teammate say, "Oh hey, just make a post so we can get the heat off you." Making a case and then not following through on it is what scum do, not town.

I'm still here.

Post invalidated.
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yamato77
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
11589 Posts
January 08 2014 14:40 GMT
#719
On January 08 2014 23:37 iamperfection wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 08 2014 23:37 yamato77 wrote:
On January 08 2014 23:35 wherebugsgo wrote:
The other thing that is completely scummy as fuck is that he took so much time to come back with something so underwhelming.

If he truly were interested in killing iamp he'd be scrambling for us to voteswitch, yet he basically did juuuust enough to throw suspicion off himself. The day ends in like 9 hours, surely Yamato is not dumb enough to have missed that. So, why did he pop back in, vote, and then leave? No push to convince people that they are wrong about him and, more importantly, wrong about iamperfection? If he were reading the thread wouldn't he know how townish several people have labeled iamp (I myself said something about it). If he actually cared, he'd definitely have noticed that his vote didn't count.

Instead he just disappeared right after posting. That's something scum do.

How many times have you all played scum to have a teammate say, "Oh hey, just make a post so we can get the heat off you." Making a case and then not following through on it is what scum do, not town.

I'm still here.

Post invalidated.

then what do you have to say your case is bad and you should feel bad about it and why did you clam up for like 20 mins when i showed up?

Was watching agdq, now going to dentist. We'll sort this out later. In the mean time, you should be thinking about other people you'd rather see lynched, because at the moment, I'm less interested in lynching you.
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yamato77
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
11589 Posts
January 08 2014 16:39 GMT
#788
On January 08 2014 23:41 wherebugsgo wrote:
Your mere presence does not invalidate my post, in fact it does the exact opposite.

You responded so fast to me that it suggests you've been actively lurking this entire time. That's even worse, since it means rather than neglect/being afk (which would actually make you look more townie-if you legitimately did not have time) you actually knew that your vote didn't count, you did not respond to iamperfection, and you CHOSE not to further your case.

All things that are even scummier than my original points because it displays that you were present yet unwilling to push your case.

The fact that your best argument against what I am saying is your mere presence in the thread is pathetic.

You cannot Catch 22 me by saying I'm not here and then complaining that I'm "lurking" when I do post. I'm not reading the thread every second but in intervals. If that's really the strongest argument at this point you can come up with to call me mafia then it's just shitty confirmation bias.

On January 08 2014 23:44 iamperfection wrote:
like all i did was basically call you bad for a page yamato that makes me town? Im getting more of the sense you just want to not lynch me because you know it wont work and our just desperate to survive rather than figuring out alignments.


I predicted you would do this. I don't really feel like it's productive to push a lynch on a player like you who is obviously intent on arguing with me regardless of your alignment. It frustrates me that you and bugs have essentially glossed over the other two reads I have in favor of making this a me vs. you scenario which I think would be unproductive. You seem to display little inherent guilt, so it seems to me like you think you should be understandable. It's possible enough that I misjudged your effort this game.

On January 08 2014 23:55 raynpelikoneet wrote:
##unvote;
##Vote: yamato77

Yeah the quote i brought up is really terrible.


This is really bad from Rayn. He's been defending me most of the game so far and now he suddenly has a change of heart once things go south? He didn't even wait for my response for why I've shifted away from iamp, he just sheeps the lynch. I thought he was town but this is fishy.

On January 08 2014 23:58 WaveofShadow wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 08 2014 23:56 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Not really WoS, no. You're not getting lynched today either way so i'd rather not waste time on it now instead of the people i see possibly getting lynched.

I'm not?
You and yamato seem pretty keen on steering this way based on all you've said thus far, though I do admit I find it curious neither of you bothered to vote for the stronger of your shared scumreads during your little circlejerk session.


I didn't mind not having a vote counted because I'm not as certain about my reads as I'd like to be. I would like you to explain in further detail why it is that you're voting me, however, as you STILL haven't answered my accusation.

On January 09 2014 00:33 Corazon wrote:
Hey guys, sorry for leaving at a really bad time last night. Yeah, I know it looks really scummy for me, but I was starting to get really frustrated and I just needed to take a break before I said anything that would hurt my efforts to be less of a dick on these forums.

To the people who said I was complaining about my words being twisted and not providing proof:
Show nested quote +
On January 08 2014 10:04 Corazon wrote:
On January 08 2014 10:03 wherebugsgo wrote:
so apparently I have deliberately not said anything at all.

And Corazon says I don't read.


Stop trying to twist the facts. I'm talking about when you made the post saying you required contribution from me before you contributed.


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On January 08 2014 10:33 Corazon wrote:
On January 08 2014 10:23 Corazon wrote:
Wow WoS. That post looks really bad.
"I'm so townie Cora, obviously"


This post was in response to this post:

On January 08 2014 10:22 WaveofShadow wrote:
On January 08 2014 10:21 Corazon wrote:
Wait can someone explain to me why that post was scummy? I'm not too familiar on WoS' town play so I'm not sure what you two see in his post.

lol
lolwut
ALL of my play is townplay



Get with the program, please.

Out for realsies.


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On January 08 2014 13:32 Corazon wrote:
On January 08 2014 13:27 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Corazon you don't seem to know what OMGUS means because what i am doing is nowhere near OMGUSing.
Instead of making crappy arguments could you comment on the case?


@WoS
I didn't say all of the inactives were scummy. You need to read man. I just said we need to figure out which of them are lurking town and which are lurking scum. The two lynches I want the most are WBG and Yamato.


It's ridiculous that WoS and WBG have to twist my words in order to attack me. It definitely is not a point in their favor, although I doubt either of them are going to be lynched today.

So back on topic about people who are going to be lynched today, Yamato decided to put all that effort into posting about the game and defending himself, then votes Iamp and doesn't even try to convince others of the push. It was also mentioned before that he has not revoted for Iamp since he put it in 5 spoilers. If he was trying to push an Iamp lynch, why would he talk about the rest of the game and write all of the stuff he did on me/Wave/everyone else? Does he really even believe that Iamp is scum? Since he's not trying to back his read up, it just looks like he is using it to satisfy the people who were saying that he wasn't participating.

##unvote
##Vote: Yamato



This is horrible reasoning and basically just parroting. EVEN IF I think iamp is mafia (not as sure about it at this point in time), I'm not ONLY going to talk about him. Don't be ridiculous. I've answered everything else to do with why I did not care for the voting situation already.

On January 09 2014 00:54 iamperfection wrote:
like it seems to me kind of constructed like you just summed up what bugs me and rayn said over the last few pages. I think a townie would just come in and drop the vote saying along the lines like ya hes scum or something like that.


Someone else noticed that shit. Happens to be iamp. Hm. MAYBE I COULD HAVE BEEN WRONG, LIKE I CONSIDERED.

At this point in time, Cora is the best lynch unless WoS' reply is so shit I feel like murdering him.

##Vote: Corazon

I have enough time for ONLY THIS POST right now, I will be back WITHIN AN HOUR to discuss reads/prove my innocence.
Writer@WriterYamato
yamato77
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
11589 Posts
January 08 2014 17:10 GMT
#795
On January 09 2014 01:51 iamperfection wrote:
why did you drop your read on me when you did yamato? you say you may have been wrong now but when you dropped it you said nothing why?

Because I was leaving for the dentist and didn't have the time to explain at length. Now I'm annoying my girlfriend even just by being on my phone to answer this. I cannot always be present in the thread to explain everything as clear as I want.
Writer@WriterYamato
yamato77
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
11589 Posts
January 08 2014 18:06 GMT
#805
On January 09 2014 02:58 thrawn2112 wrote:
Hi. I have work in a couple hours so I will likely be missing the deadline. Nothing that's happened since I've left has made me feel all that different about Corazon or Yamato, and I don't have any problems with them as a scum team. What yamato did upon his return does not clear him from wasting most of D1, his attack on iamp was weak and very beneath a town yamato. If town yamato actually thought iamp was scum I'd expect that case to not be so underwhelming. Corazon still needs to tell me why he automatically assumed I'm town. I'm probably going to leave my vote on Corazon but I'm down for yamato too.

Maybe it would be helpful if you noted that I think I was wrong.
Writer@WriterYamato
yamato77
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
11589 Posts
January 08 2014 18:20 GMT
#815
On January 09 2014 03:19 Corazon wrote:
Come on Rayn, you can't be serious? Ofc I'm playing the game. Sure I took a break last night but to put me in the same boat as kush is a lie.

I do agree with this. I do not like grouping Cora and kush together, and I certainly don't like that Rayn is trying to push a lynch on either for grounds of "policy".

I think there are legitimate reasons to think, Cora is scummy, but I will not support his lynch if it turns into a policy vote.
Writer@WriterYamato
yamato77
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
11589 Posts
January 08 2014 18:31 GMT
#825
On January 09 2014 03:27 Corazon wrote:
Show nested quote +
The things that you are calling me out for are basically stuff that you are doing yourself. You've said that I haven't scumhunted, yet you've done nothing but make up silly reasons to call me scum. You just accused me of not going after you D1 when you literally went from "Cora/Grack are most likely scum" to "Nissani is getting my vote". Unless we are scumbuddies, you are basically looking in a mirror when you accuse me. Since you see scum, you must be scum. Savvy?

Face it Yamato, you haven't done anything this game. You've sat back and thrown your vote on Nissani without showing any other signs of real scumhunting. I've actually done shit so far, and you haven't.


This is my attack on scum Yamato from red team's prize. As you can see, I basically accused him of projecting his scummy traits onto me. As Yamato stated himself, normally this wouldn't be incriminating. However, this post proves that what Yamato is doing is directly in line with what he does as scum.

His attack on Rayn, calling him cavalier while being cavalier himself, follows this meta.
Calling me out for parroting when doing so is parroting, follows this meta.

That, along with the other non-meta points earlier (about the lack of activity + the fact that he's not actively pushing for an Iamp lynch (hell, he put it in a spoiler)), makes it pretty clear to me that Yamato is scum and needs to be lynched.

You're not even reading the thread. I already responded to this argument, as well as explained my iamp read and how its changed. You're mafia.
Writer@WriterYamato
yamato77
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
11589 Posts
January 08 2014 18:37 GMT
#838
On January 09 2014 03:35 Corazon wrote:
Wave, look at the fucking proof I gave you. You've made posts saying how scummy I am because you are interpreting posts without looking at them. You are saying I am scummy because of a reason that is completely irrelevant because you are twisting my words. This isn't any grudge I have against you, this is based on what you've done this game. You lied about what I said, and then completely ignored me when I said "Wave, that simply is not what I said. How could you come to this conclusion?" You know it is scummy, so you are trying to sweep it under the rug.

Yamato, you haven't responded to how you are playing to your scum meta. I just gave proof that you are playing like you do as scum, don't try and blow that part of the case away.

Meta is ass. Stop trying to meta me.
Writer@WriterYamato
yamato77
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
11589 Posts
January 08 2014 18:41 GMT
#845
On January 09 2014 03:36 iamperfection wrote:
yamato before i unvote you i need one thing explained to me like im 5.

You said you had misgivings about me as being scum when i came back what particular posts or what did i do SPECIFICALLY that made you think that. That's the one barrier right now that i cant get past.


Stuff like this:

On January 08 2014 23:28 iamperfection wrote:
its the opposite of scummy and both of you should know that it brings attention to myself when i didn't need to i could have just sat with my vote.


Where you show no guilty mindset whatsoever. You don't seem to think we should think you're mafia whatsoever, so it makes me think you're town. It's a decent towntell.

On January 08 2014 23:39 iamperfection wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 08 2014 23:38 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On January 08 2014 23:26 iamperfection wrote:
On January 08 2014 23:25 raynpelikoneet wrote:
He is saying he played intentionally slowly (which =/= scummy) and that your reasoning for votehopping from yamato -> WoS -> yamato looks like you are looking for a lynch target rather than figuring out what people's alignments are.

I actually agree with him to some extent, especially because of your actions regarding voting / unvoting WoS.

bs i stated my reasons for voting wos when i did i reacted to what i saw. That is not scummy in the slightest.

Your vote on WoS was reasonable because i thought the same thing you and kush did when you reacted to his post. The thing i find scummy is when WoS interacted with people after that you retracted from the vote back to yamato for reasons that were "well at least WoS is here talking but yamato is not".

If you really thought WoS is scummy why didn't you keep your vote on him and pressure him about his scummy post(s)? This is exactly what i was trying to say to WBG, you did the exact thing i was worried about people voting for yamato when he earlier on promised to contribute when he had more time.

To me that seems like you did not even care about WoS' alignment, because why would you not keep your vote on him if you think he did something scummy? Why did you not want to hear more from him? If you give him a "free pass" by rectracting your pressure/vote what does that achieve?

he was giving reads and giving thoughts made him seem less scummy to me its not rocket science rayn


More of the same. You think it should be easy to understand. You're not trying to pander to people or posting in fear, you're just posting whatever you want.

Feels more like town iamp that I remember.
Writer@WriterYamato
yamato77
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
11589 Posts
January 08 2014 18:42 GMT
#852
On January 09 2014 03:40 Corazon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 07 2014 15:40 yamato77 wrote:
On January 07 2014 15:36 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On January 07 2014 15:27 yamato77 wrote:
On January 07 2014 15:23 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Do you want to explain why you don't like those posts or just throw baseless accusations that isn't really an accusation?

You're too cavalier this early in the game.

On January 07 2014 15:28 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I am pretty sure that's kind of the definition of my town play.

Elaborate please.

It's also how you play scum.

"Meta is ass" really?

Yes it is. If you can't justify voting for me beyond comparison to ONE SCUM GAME I had FOREVER AGO, your argument is ass.
Writer@WriterYamato
yamato77
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
11589 Posts
January 08 2014 18:43 GMT
#855
On January 09 2014 03:39 thrawn2112 wrote:
##unvote
##vote: yamato

Thrawn. You're better than this as town.
Writer@WriterYamato
yamato77
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
11589 Posts
January 08 2014 18:47 GMT
#863
On January 09 2014 03:44 Corazon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 09 2014 03:42 yamato77 wrote:
On January 09 2014 03:40 Corazon wrote:
On January 07 2014 15:40 yamato77 wrote:
On January 07 2014 15:36 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On January 07 2014 15:27 yamato77 wrote:
On January 07 2014 15:23 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Do you want to explain why you don't like those posts or just throw baseless accusations that isn't really an accusation?

You're too cavalier this early in the game.

On January 07 2014 15:28 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I am pretty sure that's kind of the definition of my town play.

Elaborate please.

It's also how you play scum.

"Meta is ass" really?

Yes it is. If you can't justify voting for me beyond comparison to ONE SCUM GAME I had FOREVER AGO, your argument is ass.

You just used meta to call thrawn town. Why are you contradicting yourself?

There's a difference between me saying thrawn is TOWNIER for posting at all because he doesn't post as scum and saying that I am mafia because I did this one abstract thing one game that's not even a scum tell and it kind of looks like I'm doing it this game in some weird, Corazon-logic way, so that makes me mafia.

If you don't understand the difference, you still have a lot to learn.
Writer@WriterYamato
yamato77
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
11589 Posts
January 08 2014 18:48 GMT
#864
On January 09 2014 03:44 Corazon wrote:
EBWOP: Iamp, not thrawn.

Same argument applies.

You don't know how to use meta if you think your argument is good.
Writer@WriterYamato
yamato77
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
11589 Posts
January 08 2014 18:54 GMT
#881
On January 09 2014 03:48 Corazon wrote:
That still doesn't explain why you said "meta is ass" and then said "this looks like the town Iamp I remember"

YOUR meta is ass.
Writer@WriterYamato
yamato77
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
11589 Posts
January 08 2014 18:56 GMT
#885
This game is also an aberration.
Writer@WriterYamato
yamato77
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
11589 Posts
January 08 2014 19:16 GMT
#912
Not lynching anyone but Cora.

If I get lynched, you're all at fault and you can blame yourselves when I flip town.

peace
Writer@WriterYamato
yamato77
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
11589 Posts
January 08 2014 19:21 GMT
#920
On January 09 2014 04:19 justanothertownie wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 09 2014 04:16 yamato77 wrote:
Not lynching anyone but Cora.

If I get lynched, you're all at fault and you can blame yourselves when I flip town.

peace

You will come back before the lynch I hope?

I'm reading. If I see something worth responding to I will but these past few pages are just Cora arguing with various people and I'm not interested in participating in that anymore.
Writer@WriterYamato
yamato77
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
11589 Posts
January 08 2014 20:05 GMT
#972
WBG, I gauge reactions of the thread as town before voting. Your point is not alignment indicative.
Writer@WriterYamato
yamato77
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
11589 Posts
January 08 2014 20:09 GMT
#977
On January 09 2014 05:07 thrawn2112 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 09 2014 05:05 yamato77 wrote:
WBG, I gauge reactions of the thread as town before voting. Your point is not alignment indicative.


I've seen you as town afk from the thread and come back with reads that you are confident about and very proud of to the point that you call everyone bad and tell them all to sheep you. Here you provided a weak case embedded in layers of spoilers that you clearly didn't care to push.

I'm demoralized atm, I really don't even care what happens this game that much.
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