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On January 08 2014 05:25 wherebugsgo wrote:
from a scum perspective I would love any townie that says half of the stuff you are saying right now.
it means I could simply tell my team to conform and they would probably live, because it would only take minimal effort to stay alive. This is precisely why lurking wins scum games.
If you want to make the job of scum hard you need to punish first and foremost lurking. If you don't understand why that is, then one or more of the following are true:
1. You are bad at scum
2. You are failing to understand things from the perspective of scum
3. You are failing to understand why saying or doing certain things as town will affect scum play and make their job easier or harder.
1. I think there is a difference between a lurker and a person who did not post even once but maybe that's just me.
2. If you want to policy lynch him we can do that later if he doesn't start playing.
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On January 08 2014 05:57 wherebugsgo wrote:
EVERYONE says that.
"We can lynch them later."
No, you fucking can't. You don't punish lurkers, then there will be MORE OF THEM.
In fact, a lot of the time they won't be town. If you don't force them to contribute by voting them or pressuring them or discouraging lurking early, then you can never do it.
How is this so damn hard to understand? What makes it worse is the incessant whining about lurking on top of it, which is only really acceptable if people do something about it and lurkers still exist, which clearly is not the case.
The thing I love about all of this is how often you repeat yourself. You keep saying that voting kush is pure policy. This screams "I don't understand the game" over and over. You keep thinking about the product of the lynch, as if my vote is guaranteed to stay there. You keep thinking solely about policy without thinking at all about other parts of the game. You also keep saying this stuff without once positing an alternative.
If you can't understand these things my best course of action is to ignore you or try to kill you instead, which I'm not convinced is a good option. At the very least you are here discussing things, and no matter how bad/scummy your actions and words are that makes you one of the towniest of the lot.
Dude. I totally can lynch him later. I am not talking about a later Day or something I am talking about killing him Day1 but it does not achieve anything to vote him now and I don't care how often I have to repeat myself about this (also I want to win THIS game and I don't think that being totally absent is a scumtell for Kush - I think he will show up soon and play scum or not). And killing a lurker to prevent scum from lurking is like the definition of a policy lynch to me. Enlighten me if you think that is wrong.
If I had a good alternative I would obviously try to convince you to lynch that person instead of arguing with you about policy. Sadly I don't.
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I had the impression you have reads on other people which you chose not to share. I think it is perfectly fine to critisize you for that regardless of what I may have or haven't contributed.
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Oh, I have read that but it is bullshit. If everyone used this kind of logic nobody would ever share his reads and no scum would ever be caught. It is not about what helps you it is about what helps the town as a whole either by starting more useful discussion or by allowing us to get a read on you and your reads might do both.
Anyways I am starting to get tired of this too. I don't think I can convince you.
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On January 08 2014 07:04 wherebugsgo wrote:Show nested quote +On January 08 2014 06:52 justanothertownie wrote:
Oh, I have read that but it is bullshit. If everyone used this kind of logic nobody would ever share his reads and no scum would ever be caught. It is not about what helps you it is about what helps the town as a whole either by starting more useful discussion or by allowing us to get a read on you and your reads might do both.
Anyways I am starting to get tired of this too. I don't think I can convince you. You can't convince me because you haven't convinced me that you actually care about the game. No one has, but all it would take is a bit of talking. You're more concerned with other things to waste time, despite how hard I've tried to get you to say something not stupid. In fact, this entire time you've been more concerned with how my vote is policy instead of actually doing something. Think town discussion is bad? DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT. Not voting, crying about my "policy lynch", admitting you have no reads, saying my stance is bullshit-none of these things sound productive to me. If you rolled town I bet you'd be one of those guys in the endgame that complains about how hard day 1 is and how lurkers suck.
If all that is needed is a bit of talking then talk to me. But oh wait, you don't want to talk about what you think so it would rather be a monologue. Tell me something concrete you want to talk about and we can do this.
Think town discussion is bad? DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT.
Right back at you.
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Why the hell are we the only people in this thread btw? -.-
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Your tough guy behaviour does not impress me, sorry. But I will have a look at yamato and WoS.
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Ok, so I don't have much to say about those because there isn't that much to talk about but here is something on yamato (WoS next):
I am a little worried about yamato because I am not getting any townvibes from him yet. I know this is a lazy way of judging him but the last game I played with him (Noir) he was really invested and tried to coordinate town early in the game even with few posts and I am somewhat missing any drive here. His posts also had way more content than they have this game. Could be scum.
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WoS:
There are some original thoughts in his posts and he seems rather open to discuss anything/interacts freely with many other players. I would give him a slight town lean.
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On January 08 2014 07:56 wherebugsgo wrote:
I ask that because as a townie you should really have no fear of committing a vote. But, I get a strong feeling you don't want to commit a vote to anything.
That is true. I like to commit to a vote when I am confident in the vote and I am not confident in voting anybody right now. Call it scummy if you want but I always play this way.
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On January 08 2014 08:16 kushm4sta wrote:
so whos scummy
Dunno. Maybe you can tell me?
Are you going to tell me why you asked me about my opinion about those 2 now bugs? Or at least your opinion on them? Anything?
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This isn't hard kush:
On January 07 2014 22:17 Aquanim wrote:
VOTECOUNT
Mr. Cheesecake (1) - gumshoe
Raynepelikoneet (0) - Thrawn2112
Thrawn2112 (0) - Yamato77
WaveofShadow (1) - wherebugsgo, Thrawn2112
yamato77 (1) - Corazon
Nobody (10) - Everybody else
Day One ends in
I know you are not a fan of reading the thread but it might be wise to do so if you want to survive.
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On January 08 2014 08:22 justanothertownie wrote:
Are you going to tell me why you asked me about my opinion about those 2 now bugs? Or at least your opinion on them? Anything?
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You should really calm down. I don't know if you noticed it but have a look at the new moderation and behaviour part of the op you aren't doing your team (which ever it is) a favor by risking moderation like that.
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On January 08 2014 09:11 wherebugsgo wrote:
@justanothertownie
I asked about yamato because it's worrisome that he's put so little effort into playing so far. From what I remember about his play, he tends to at least care as town. He's probably decent enough as a player to slip by as scum without taking too much suspicion. In fact I think I recall someone linking a game of his (the hydra one) in which I read his filter and I probably would not have been able to tell he was scum without really thinking hard about his posts in context. Often times it's not possible to focus so hard on one player unless you already have an inkling about them (this happens all the time in my experience, no one catches all the scum in a game unless they are really good and the scum are also at least on some level bad, because no one is really able to piece together everything all at once in a game of limited information) However, in skimming that game I see a lot of similarities in attitude here.His posts are mostly one liners and don't really qualify much of anything at all, and he hasn't cared to even attempt a stance yet. It is early in the game and there are certain things he's said that could be interpreted as town tells, which is why I want some more opinions on him rather than creating an echo-chamber (which unfortunately I think is probably inevitable now)
As for WoS I wanted to see your opinion on him as he specifically targetted you and I also want to see what he's going to do. My opinion on him is not really full fledged yet and I want to see if he does what I think he's gonna do. I'll explain that later since time needs to pass before it is relevant.
Fair enough... I guess.
On January 08 2014 09:14 Corazon wrote:
Hey Kush, let's lynch WBG. Maybe he can call you dumb too.
##unvote
##vote: WBG
May I ask for your reasoning? Or is it summarized by "I don't like this guy"?
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Ah, sorry missed one post.
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On January 08 2014 09:35 wherebugsgo wrote:
ffs kush is in two games for now.
His complaint is that I've never heard of RL. My complaint is, don't fucking sign up for two games (or any at all) if you're going to, to quote him, "play like this."
It's not our job to just "deal with it" and it's sad that the community does not do something to discourage it.
He is not the only one. Afaik rayn is in 3 games right now for example.
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On January 08 2014 10:17 WaveofShadow wrote:Maybe I can get WBG to call me dumb too. 
I believe in you. ^_^
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On January 08 2014 10:21 WaveofShadow wrote:
Bring it, suckas.
JAT:
Until prodded endlessly by WBG, he contributed nothing to the thread besides the nitpicking of other people's posts and reads and providing none of his own. Not a huge fan of his posting thus far---a little too 'fence-sitty' for my liking but whateva.
Iamp can I have a looky at you next?
I started the conversation with bugs you know...
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On January 08 2014 10:20 Corazon wrote:Show nested quote +On January 08 2014 10:14 iamperfection wrote:
and corzan can you explain how bugs is scum when he decided to go on a huge rant with everyone look at me attitude. Sure seems like to me a non scum thing to do. It's easy for scum to fake that. His logic was not even good. He started calling me dumb because I asked him to actually contribute when he said he wouldn't until I did. He blatantly admitted to not have read the thread and he decided to attack kush, who at the time had 0 posts, and called him stupid until he did some random 180 and called kush town (while keeping his vote on him). He then OMGUSs me when I call him out for it. To me, it looks faked and it looks like he just wants to survive.
Ahem... I don't really understand how you come to the conclusion that 180ing on Kush and antagonizing people is indicative of him just trying to survive.
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