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If your answer is yes and you're up and active, when you finish going through whatever you want to go through, I'd like for you to play along with this scenario. I am a cop. I have a red check on gonzaw. I tell you this. You smack your head and go, "Aha! It all makes sense now. I should have known Gonzaw was mafia, because __________." If you so choose, you can keep going and add, "Also, now that I know the mafia team was sandroba/gonzaw/?, the third member is almost certainly _______." EVERYONE ELSE I'M NOT A COP. I DON'T HAVE A RED CHECK. Just curious. If it were to turn out that Gonzaw is mafia, when you look at his filter, what would give you that, "man, I should have seen this thing because it points towards mafia Gonzaw" feeling? | ||
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(I know there I other stuff going on, but I'd actually still be interested in your thoughts there) | ||
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There are aspects off that team that you can MAKE work, but I don't think Sandroba works in that setup, based on his push of prome, the strategy that would have to be behind it, and his late return with the LoL game stuff. | ||
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On January 25 2014 00:46 gonzaw wrote: I don't plan on making the thread 80% gonzaw could be scum. I don't think you ARE scum, and it's not about finding actual reasons why you might be.auston i dunno what you are planning with this "tell me why gonzaw could be scum" thing, but please dont waste time on something pointless It's more just trying to get folks I want to hear more/different things from to post on odd subjects, to critically look at filters that aren't being critically looked at (people READ your posts, but always as you being towngonzaw. Maybe coming from the other side pulls up neat things that we aren't seeing, emphasizes certain parts of your posts, whatever). I also just want to see how his thoughts go when he's considering something like that, which will end up being relevant to my read on WoS. At worst, this is something dumb that, for good or bad reasons, can affect my vote today. At best, something interesting gets found, it affects other people's votes, whatever. | ||
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On January 25 2014 00:47 WaveofShadow wrote: No, I'm not baiting. I'm not saying like, COULD GONZAW BE SCUM1?!?!?!?!?!?! That's why the stupid situations are stupid, because he's already confirmed scum in the scenarios I'm presenting.Austin, why? Even before the sandroba business I thought he was town. A bus makes absolutely NO sense here, so I don't understand why you're bringing it up to me. There is no way I see Gonzaw getting lynched today (or likely the rest of the game..? Dunno if he was alive long enough I suppose maybe we'd be forced to reconsider) or for the next little while at least so I don't see a point in the topic. Are you baiting something? You haven't asked this to anyone else. I hate being baited because I feel belittled by it, and it's bad enough that I have an inferiority complex in this particular game. But I like...reading through posts. We didn't chat as much as we should have beforehand, and this is a funky thing to start off discussion or for me to read some of your posting or whatever. This is designed, well or poorly, for me to get better insight into you and your alignment. And again, maybe if you're looking from an angle you haven't been, you notice a particularly good/bad point he made. Maybe it changes how you view the game. Maybe it doesn't. Maybe it gives you something to ... "contribute", because I know other people won't find it a contribution except I will, that isn't because people are attacking you. NONE OF THIS SOUNDS SUPER COMPELLING | ||
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On January 25 2014 01:02 WaveofShadow wrote: Meh.Austin, I'd love to talk with you, but maybe we can pick something slightly more...fruitful? I mean it can still be oddball in such a way as you get what you want but maybe it should be thread-relevant? I guess. You said you'd thought about marv, but not really looked hard. Could you poke around marv or kita specifically, just one dude? | ||
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On January 25 2014 01:56 WaveofShadow wrote: I do but I also need to get brussels sprouts. So I run errands.Austin what happened to you? Thought you wanted to talk? Also, you're doing a lot of talking and a lot of "this is too much talking." If you want to chat about hypothetical Gonzaw-scum world, yippee. If you want to pick marv or kita, and read a little of them, or grill ME about them/one of them, mostly yippee. I've come up with some topics, promise, you just think they silly/too much work. | ||
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On January 25 2014 02:32 VisceraEyes wrote: Not all who are off limits are lost. Or....something like that.Like, I would contribute, but I've been told that my suspects are off limits so I'm kinda at a loss as to what I even CAN do to prove my innocence. Maybe a story? I can offer the following more entertaining things to contribute on: (1) A magical world in which Gonzaw is mod-confirmed Gonzaw. Once he is known red, what in his filter makes you smack his head and go "I should have seen this..." (2) Talking heavily about either marv or kita. Preferably kita today, but if you DO get lynched, thoughts on marv would be helpful. (3) WoS has posted a boatload since your last bout of activity. If nothing else, he's a big topic for today and you can determine what you think of his recent stuff. (3) is not particular entertaining. (2) may not be either. Oh well. | ||
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The scum points get a + modifier because some of the scum points he's awarded are in relation to an odd read on Sandroba, mafia. Do you think Foolishness is the BEST lynch for today? Most likely mafia? Or just he's got a good chance of flipping, but probably better prey elsewhere? | ||
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So instead, how happy are you with what kita just posted on Foolishness? We'll just start there. Then you're gonna ask me TWO questions. TWO. I am gonna answer. And you're gonna poke at my answers, or agree, or whatever, and we'll keep going. | ||
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I know you were looking at WoS/VE as likely targets at the start of the phase or during N1. You have moved on now to WoS + (Toad or VE), with a preference towards Toad last time I saw. What in particular raised your suspicions on toad during today, and why has VE fallen off? | ||
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On January 25 2014 12:04 kitaman27 wrote: Somewhat addressed in my followup post above. Are you satisfied with the way he pushed the Prom lynch and his current case against Wave? I'm conflicted. He has some good points. It's not like WoS is the patron saint of Town in this game. I dislike...how he has built pressure on wave? He has posted big reads. He has posted sizeable cases. SOME of the fractured nature of his posts on WoS can be explained by ... how he's been juggling a couple different things today, as town OR mafia. Pressure on actions, pressure about votes, hypothetical scumteams, scumhunting, etc. But overall, the case appears to come down to some flavor of lazy lynch/sheep vote, really really halfhearted attack on two comments WoS made about hapa. As of the start of N1, he was scummier on VE than WoS. WoS was questionable, and was gonna get looked into. But overall, I'm NOT happy with the WoS case, no. It's not much, you're correct, there's very little meat as far as "WoS is scum for these reasons" in all the other stuff, and the dropoff in VE is concerning to me. As is just...the nature of the posts in which Foolishness has accused WoS? Disorganized, a point here, a point there. I think that's a crappy reason to shift a read on anyone though, "his case isn't as pretty as I think he normally makes cases." | ||
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On January 25 2014 12:12 WaveofShadow wrote: What in specific would you like me to answer? The gonzaq q? Because I dove through his filter and it honestly looks damn squeaky clean to me. I would almost be paranoid enough to think 'too squeaky' but with a filter length of his there's no way to fabricate and look that good. On January 25 2014 12:05 austinmcc wrote: Wave! YOU ARE DUCKING A LOT OF THE THINGS I WANT TO TALK ABOUT AND IT MAKES ME FEEL NOT GOOD ABOUT YOU AND IF YOU HADN'T PUT IN A GOOD BIT OF SENSIBLE POSTING TIME TODAY I WOULD FEEL VERY VERY NOT GOOD ABOUT YOU. So instead, how happy are you with what kita just posted on Foolishness? We'll just start there. Then you're gonna ask me TWO questions. TWO. I am gonna answer. And you're gonna poke at my answers, or agree, or whatever, and we'll keep going. We can start there. The gonzaw question is important to me, and you are really really really resisting and I dislike that but also I don't care that much. | ||
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On January 25 2014 12:14 kitaman27 wrote: I think VE, more than anyone else today, has slipped past a lot of attention.Where are you on VE, austin? I haven't been able to chat with him. A bunch of his time in thread today was pork chop discussion or discussion of Toad reading HF's filter. The only recent positive for him is that he spent some time N1/D2 attacking prome. Like, out of any target mafia wants to go after, he takes a guy that comes off looking pretty good after the lynch, RATHER than attacking foolishness when given an opening, rather than attacking you, wos, toad. It's an odd choice. Otherwise, he has not scumhunted today. PART of that is people shutting down his suspects. PART of that is him scumhunting by presenting teams or relying on votes. Unsure on how to weight those, but, to me, the contributions he has presented today do not make him town. This is why I want to actually get a chance to speak with him. | ||
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On January 25 2014 12:14 WaveofShadow wrote: I still kinda like Toad. Liked HF. Don't care that Toad didn't read HF's filter. Wish there was more current contribution, because I think a lot of the early stuff has to be discounted given his lack of feel for the time right before lynch.You haven't seen anything compelling against toad? What about gonzaw and my prodding of him? Do you agree with any of toad's case on me? Why or why not? (Goes for you too austin) As far as his case on you, I think it starts off in a ... townie way I guess? For whatever reason, I view him as accusing you SOLELY because of your absence at lynch time, the 20 minute stuff, to be a townie-ish thing? That's a weak ass reason to vote someone over anyone and anything else in the game. He explicitly states, with his vote on you and having said you're his favorite lynch, that he's still trying to get through your filter (vote early on, reading filter recently). I don't LOVE the idea of mafia straight up saying that they're going through the filter of a guy AFTER voting him. So, right now I was townie on HF, and I'm now looking kinda townie on Toad. I think the majority of his early posts on you are not convincing of anything because they're based on little and he explicitly hasn't read you. Overall, I find his case terribly unconvincing, but I think it comes from the right place. | ||
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