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On January 22 2014 23:32 WaveofShadow wrote: I disagree. At the time of you posting that, Prome and I didn't exactly have long filters full of varied content---shouldn't be particularly difficult to come up with at the very least a cursory read on either one of us. I agree that Holy (at least to me) would take a little bit of time. Okay, I guess we choose to use our time differently? Not sure what you're getting at. On January 22 2014 23:32 WaveofShadow wrote: What should take a long time about giving a read? Err reading? Looking at Prom at the moment. | ||
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On January 22 2014 23:46 WaveofShadow wrote: I would think that giving reads on said targets would probably be the most useful thing for town at any given point. If that is the case, is there a reason that you haven't given a strong opinion yourself on either individual? | ||
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On January 23 2014 00:03 WaveofShadow wrote: Now, would you like to see what I have on Prome/Holy thus far? It would be a lot easier if you could just tell us without requiring me to ask  | ||
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On January 23 2014 00:56 Promethelax wrote: Update: my library is closing right now due to snow. More posting will be postponed until an undefined time in the future. Just don't try to get away with never returning to the thread with a vote on me | ||
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On January 22 2014 08:53 Holyflare wrote: The ending of this post is singlehandedly the most misconstrued post against me I've seen in a long while. On January 22 2014 08:53 Holyflare wrote: you have written at much more length about me and haven't bothered to check how I write, why is that? On January 22 2014 08:53 Holyflare wrote: The remaining quotes are so heavily taken out of context and misconstrued that I find it hard to believe that you follow the train of thought you have written. On January 22 2014 10:01 Holyflare wrote: Why is everything you say a bastardisation of what is actually written? On January 22 2014 10:01 Holyflare wrote: Why have you overblown it into something it quite clearly is not?? These posts clearly suggest that Holyflare thinks that gonzaw is manipulating his posts. The thing that I find scummy about his response is that he never comes to a conclusion about gonzaw's alignment. He suggests that gonzaw is putting forth a biased argument and is being lazy in his research, yet isn't willing to say if he thinks it is mafia motivated or a misguided town. Based on the strong characterization he is giving gonzaw's posts, I would think that he would indeed have a mafia read on him, by a half an hour after the last set of quotes, it seems like that might not be the case. On January 22 2014 10:27 Holyflare wrote: Promise to do it in the morning though. He has failed to follow through with this promise as the morning is over in the UK. I don't like that a player with limited time felt that the most efficient thing to do with his time was to write a couple of defense posts. Looking at his past town and mafia games, I don't draw many parallels to either alignment. His activity is much greater in both sides. I do not find gonzaw's case particularly compelling. Aggressiveness can be a town trait, just as much as mafia. He took a similar stance on Foolishness as I did, preferring to discuss gonzaw since he was present in the thread, although we differed in my preference to put a vote on Foolishness even if I was going to wait on him. Overall, I feel that the defensive post against gonzaw looks worse than his earlier posts. My opinion on him will likely change based on his return to the thread, similar to sandroba. Right now I'm leaning scummy null. Likely doing Wave next. | ||
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As a general heuristic, I think mafia players are more likely to announce that they are have rolled town than town players. Wave isn't alone in doing so and it probably isn't more accurate than 60/40, but it's in the back of my mind. "gonna go with my usual opener" suggests that he is thinking about how he wants to enter the thread, rather than simply commenting on something. On January 21 2014 11:41 WaveofShadow wrote: Now onto more important details: why specifically Hapa? Do you two have a history? Is he going to want to make a case on you at all, never mind find something specific in this post of yours in order to make one? As town, I have absolutely no interest in why Hapa would make a case against Prom. It's pretty obvious that it must be a reference to past games, though I don't really care to hear about it. It's not clear what Wave hopes to gain out of a response here, which suggests we have a different mind frame, but this is hardly enough to justify a vote either. Looking through his past games, his town play and single mafia game seems pretty consistent with all the one line questions. I don't think I'm going to take this into account when evaluating Wave. The first thing that popped out about his single mafia game was the number of expletives he used, which Foolishness also pointed out. While it doesn't take a town player to notice that, at least it seems like we're seeing the same thing. On January 22 2014 09:57 WaveofShadow wrote: Not finding anything damning is meh, because people find terrible reasons to look and compare to my meta every game, but there's an inherent problem with looking at my meta that you really should realize, Foolishness. I have played ONE scumgame. One game does not a sample size make, ESPECIALLY one game played what, 7 months ago? Do you honestly feel it would be accurate to make a comparison of my meta in any way to a sole scumgame when I have changed things about my TOWN play multiple times since then? The last person I can think of who tried to make bad meta arguments against me was Palmar in Thug Life I believe. Oh and by the way, if you think I don't swear as town, you should check out Thug Life for another reason. Bad meta thoughts here are real bad. I'm not sure what the purpose of this post is. Foolishness essentially admits that he wasn't able to find a valid meta comparison. Wave then proceeded to explain why the meta comparisons are bad. Okay, fine he might swear in town games and mafia games, but nobody was saying that he is mafia because based on this reason. Who exactly is he defending himself against? Similar to Holy, Wave's largest post is defensive in nature. I'm willing to give wave a bit more leeway since at least there are a few thoughts he shares opinions on. I'm somewhat frustrated by his unwillingness to share reads without engaging in a direct conversation. I can understand if that is your preferred method of scumhunting, but at some point you have to go by what has been posted in the thread, even if you're not involved. This is more someone that I'm annoyed about, rather than a tie to alignment. The cost of rolling anti-town several times in a row is that players seem to be less likely to trust you going forward. From my perspective, I think I've been more open with my opinion than most others, yet wave still views me as the greatest threat. I'm willing to consider that he is a paranoid townie if he shows interest in other individuals. If he continues to stick to one single player throughout the cycle, I think it's more likely that he is mafia. While there are a few things that I have nitpicked about, there isn't any obvious mafia agenda yet. He could be playing a survivalist style where he doesn't have a strong thread presence and just cares about avoiding the noose, but I don't see a strong case for a lynch yet. I really wish he would comment on more individuals, even if he needs to make a list post. I need to see what he is thinking, even if he is unsure. Leaning townie null. Foolishness has been absent from the conversation again. He said he wanted to hear others thoughts on Wave, so I want to hear from him if he is seeing anything from him that is malicious in nature. I'm sure you will all be disappointed, but I'm putting the combinitorics on hold until at least tonight. I started putting a few together, but it became clear that I wasn't going to come up with a small enough list to have any value in today's lynch. I'm seeing a lot of town reads from VE so I haven't really looked into him, but his play has dropped off, which is a concern. I'm still worried about the lack of direction from marv and austin. | ||
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On January 22 2014 22:53 marvellosity wrote: Wave looks better, for obvious reasons Could you expand on this, even if it's brief? I didn't pick up on the obvious reason. Mine read was more based on the lack of anything wrong, rather than an abundance of anything he has done that is helpful. Also, could you justify your Holyflare vote for me with specifics? You mention that you thought gonzaw's points were good. Is that what you're going by or is the vote mostly due to his absence from the thread? I currently don't have a strong preference between sandroba and Holyflare and it seems like sandroba hasn't been inspired to rejoin the thread. I'll vote with you for the time being. ##Unvote ##Vote Holyflare | ||
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On January 23 2014 02:10 VisceraEyes wrote: I could MAYBE vote for HolyFlare. I'm teetering on the cusp of voting for Foolishness. Have you reevaluated your read on Prom due to his latest posts? If so, do you think you were mistaken about your initial read or are the alternatives a better option at this point. | ||
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On January 23 2014 02:51 marvellosity wrote: I'd very much like to hear from VE as well re: Prome Do you think Prom made a valid case against myself? | ||
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On January 23 2014 02:54 gonzaw wrote: @kita: You have the strange habit of "sheeping" reads and votes, without actually addressing the reasons you are sheeping them? marv agrees with my post, I mentioned a reason for Holy being scum. You sheep marv...but you don't care about that post I made, which is basically what made marv vote Holy just now? Was there something about my earlier Holyfire post that you were not satisfied with? I don't find that I am sheeping marv. I have commented more about Holy than he had. On January 23 2014 02:54 gonzaw wrote: Something similar happened with your vote on Foolishness. marv voted Foo because he made a horrible unexplained vote and entrance. Then you sheep marv as well, but ignore that fact, and spout some other stuff about activity What gives? I'm more than willing to move my vote around throughout the day. I find that it generates more discussion this way. The final vote is the only one that counts so why not? | ||
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On January 23 2014 02:55 marvellosity wrote: yuh huh. you've been giving me the jeebies all game. but you're too active to lynch today in the end. Too active as in you don't think you could pull it off or too active as in you don't want to kill me off right now? | ||
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On January 23 2014 03:02 gonzaw wrote: I just find it weird that the action of you voting is like this automatic sheeping action when marv votes someone. Does 2/4 times make a trend? | ||
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I'm willing to give the replacement a change to provide a fresh perspective. Hoping to have time for Prom, though I have some work to take care of first. | ||
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On January 23 2014 04:03 gonzaw wrote: Hmm, I actually thought him getting replaced would actually force our hand into lynching him, not letting him go. Why do you guys think the opposite? From my perspective, that post of his right now basically means he won't post anymore. He won't contribute anymore, nothing. We can't get any info whatsoever from him or his spot until after D1 ends. That would be different if he was just AFK, where we do get info (i.e he's lurking), or if he comes back and does anything else. By having so many suspicions on him, town sentiment against him, by straight up doing that he forces us to lynch him without a second thought, or completely ignore him from now on. However, if we do the 2nd one, it'd introduce way too much chaos into town, specially if there is not much time before the day ends. Town would have to find new suspects and lynch candidates, etc. It opens a weak spot for scum to influence the lynch or for us to straight up fuck up. Doesn't that basically mean, that we have to lynch him? With Holy we know we're getting someone new and that person has the opportunity to completely turn around Holy's image. If that can avoid a mislynch, then great, otherwise if he is mafia, then his replacement can be lynched. I found a few things scummy about Holy's play, but most of my final decision was going to come down to his future posts. If we know they're not coming, I don't think it warrants a lynch. Unfortunately, there are a lot of individuals that are wait and see with the lynch coming closer. I certainly shouldn't be leading the vote right now. That's for sure. | ||
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On January 23 2014 04:19 gonzaw wrote: Does someone feel like lynching austin? Or at least put him into the lynch table. I mean, nobody wants to lynch Foo, everybody is baffled about lynching Prome or whatever, so why not? I'd consider it. | ||
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