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On January 25 2014 07:02 marvellosity wrote:
it's nothing to do with reading his filter, it's the totally unnatural idea that you're reading a game and for some totally bizarre reason you decide to ignore one user's posts despite the fact that the rest of the game is reading and responding to those posts, so you have no contextual idea of what you're reading from anyone else regarding that user. That's really what you did?
yeah? What point would there be in having contextual knowledge about a player that's not in the game anymore, a player who used to have my spot in this game. Not like I'm going to explain anything he posted and say "that's totally townie" or "that's totally mafia" because even if I did read his posts, despite replacing in for him, we don't share memories or a brain in general.
Also you guys (mostly gonzaw) told me to read as quickly as possible. It was a corner to cut.
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On January 25 2014 07:15 marvellosity wrote:
Does anyone else find that Toad not reading holy's posts sketchy, or am i making something out of nothing?
see this:
On January 25 2014 07:15 gonzaw wrote:Show nested quote +On January 25 2014 07:09 Toadesstern wrote:
Also you guys (mostly gonzaw) told me to read as quickly as possible. It was a corner to cut. Yeah....26 hours ago
so he agrees in principal, but you seem to have a problem with the fact that I didn't go back and read his filter and like I said, I still had 10 or so pages left inbetween to read, I still had to reread the voting section, I still had to watch through WoS filter and that's what I've done so far. Like I said, reading Holy's filter isn't even on the list of things I want to do, I'm going through foolish's filter right now and probably will take another look at prior to deadline afterwards.
I just don't get why you think it's that strange that if I left them out in the first place it's so weird that I haven't read his filter when obviously other filters are way more important
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On January 25 2014 07:27 VisceraEyes wrote:
But the principal is the same marv - you're telling me that a townToad who knows he's town and knows that Holyflare is town could NOT read the thread and anytime he sees a Holyflare post say "Welp no scum here, moving on" and just not read the post?
Are we talking about the same Toad?
how is it that this apparently ISN'T considered to be the natural thing to do
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That one, right?
On January 25 2014 04:12 gonzaw wrote:
Toad, what do you think about Foolishness' attitude towards you and your predecessor?
I.e instantly finding Holy scummy (because of my case), but never doing anything else about it (other than fleetingly mention him a few times), to him being his 2nd scum read after Prome, to him not mentioning him nor you AT ALL after he had a 100% change of heart on Prome?
I think it makes him look bad to just drop it out of nowhere, without any kind of explanation and to do an almost 180. Just like I said when I answered it from the Sandroba point of view and if what you pointed out in your bigger post is true it's literally the same thing. Want me to repeat it?
That's the reason I'm in his filter right now.
He did mention BOTH Holy (aka me) and Sandro early, really early and he has been going on about it
+ Show Spoiler [example] +On January 23 2014 06:59 Foolishness wrote:Show nested quote +On January 23 2014 06:56 marvellosity wrote:
Fool in brief.
Am I mafia?
Is sand mafia?
Just based on likelihoods, doesn't need to be certain Yes Yes Show nested quote +On January 23 2014 06:56 gonzaw wrote:So Foo. The contradiction I found against Holy made you think he was like 100% scum. Next time you come, you say "oh, Holy made that replacement post, maybe I'm overthinking this" and you keep going against Prome. Did Holy's post really convince you he's not that surefire scum you thought he was before? 1) To see how people would respond to it, but mostly to see how he responded. I quoted his first post (which is suspicious as I've already explained) so that you would know where I saw the evidence before I revealed my whole hand. You mean by calling you scum and tunneling you until your D1 lynch? Sounds like a great plan Foolishness! As I said, my posts always accomplish something (besides the one I posted before this cause you guys frustrate me to no end). You want to run wild theories that's fine by me, but I'm pretty sure you find less mafia than I do. Yes, HolyFlare lynch is good.
I find that post to be the prime example of this to be honest. So he thinks Sandro is mafia and very clearly states so, but doesn't vote him, he thinks marv is mafia, he thinks Holy is mafia and I guess he was on prome around that time already?
That just doesn't make sense to me and yeah like you said he completly and utterly dropped both Holy and Sandro later on like nothing happened. Marv and Prom are understandable because they voted Sand but the Sand and Holy drops are weird.
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On January 25 2014 07:51 marvellosity wrote:
I'm gonna do to you what VE did to me
Toad can't straight up lie? Ha!
there's no way I would have read this game at all as mafia. I'm the laziest guy around, I can hardly push myself into reading the game when being town and when I don't have to because I consider myself confirmed through role (blues) I don't do so as town either lol
Now you're probably going to claim "waitwaitwait, what about that failgame, you were mafia in there and you read it". Yes but I replaced in thinking I'm town and was given a 24hour advance warning before replacing for someone and therefore caught up with the game before actually replacing in. In this case it's literally been "want to replace? - eeehm, sure why not" and bam I'm in this game.
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On January 25 2014 10:15 Foolishness wrote:Show nested quote +On January 25 2014 10:09 WaveofShadow wrote:On January 25 2014 10:06 Foolishness wrote:On January 25 2014 09:57 WaveofShadow wrote:I think it is even more apparent through the entirety of day 1 as a whole. Where is my mafia team to save me? Are they just afk (we all know mafia games on TL are never that easy)? The only one trying to deflect votes off of me was me. Sure, kitaman and austin both said I was town, but there was never a hard push. It seemed like their attitude was, "yeah Foolishness is town I'm sure, but I got nothing better to propose". Kitaman's push on Promethelax was mediocre at best (in terms of aggressiveness, not content). I was 100% on my own for all of day 1. I see absolutely zero reason why this section of your post is relevant, and I've said it multiple times before. I don't ever see mafia members actively trying to push lynches off their scumbuddies. However if you actually do think this way, maybe it explains why you as scum were trying to save sandroba? As I said above, if you and kitaman want to run down the conspiracy theory hole even after there's a boatload of evidence proving my innocence and very little evidence proving yours (and VE's, and Toad's, and Kitaman's) then that's cool when you lose the game for the town. I win games. Silly question then in regards to your last post: Which two of the four of us are scum? And 'it doesn't matter' doesn't cut it because there is no way in hell the rest of the players in this game will simply follow your instructions and lynch those 4 without considering all options. That's not a silly question. I believe it is you and Toad. Though I go back and forth on whether it's Toad or VE. Kitaman went after sandroba a lot on day 1. He called him out early, voted on him (twice) and pushed his case. I don't see him doing that to his own scumbuddy (moreso since sandroba was inactive so his case just kept looking better over time).
Back and is it just me or is this super weird?
So you have WoS as your undisputed #1 and either VE or me as the #2 slot.
I'm the guy who's voting WoS right now and you place me on the #2 slot instead of VE?
What's my plan here as mafia if you're so certain about WoS, VE and me that you don't even feel need the need to talk about us at all but rather talk about those 4 scenarios and how what makes sense with you and prom together?
How come noone has an issue with this?
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there's literally no way for what foolish just said there to be possible. I'm bussing WoS / WoS is bussing me and whoever skates through lylo himself? You've got to be kidding me. And Gonzaw before you even start rambling, no this isn't LI all over again.
Like I said to top it off the entire post + Show Spoiler +On January 25 2014 09:35 Foolishness wrote:Show nested quote +On January 25 2014 00:08 kitaman27 wrote:On January 22 2014 07:19 Foolishness wrote:
Austin and sandroba might as well be afk until 3 pages ago, but since coming to the thread both have had strong appearances. I'm okay with them right now because they have brought things to the thread This is the post that still bothers me the most about Foolishness when he groups austin and sandroba in his null reads. Foolishness, I know you stated several times that you were treating sandroba as wait and see, but what are the "strong appearances" and "things brought to the thread" that you are referring to with sandroba's posts. I mentioned earlier that I disagreed with his assessment, but you didn't reply. Could you please point out what you were seeing? This is from a while ago, but his posts I saw when I made that post were: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=439137¤tpage=20#381http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=439137¤tpage=21#408And I thought these were fine at the time. A lot of you seem to think that I'm doing things 12 hours after they happened when in reality it's been a lot closer. I saw sandroba and austin both come to the thread and start posting, and I didn't post long after that (a few hours at most). As I said, my mindset was, "well they've been kinda afk so far, but as long as they keep posting I don't have an overwhelming reason to suspect them". Look at my list where I put austin and sandroba in the same category; this is exactly why. Gonzaw kinda brought this up here but let's go through these scenarios cause it's important. Scenario 1Foolishness is mafiaPromethelax is mafiaYes, after seeing that my case on WoS during day 1 didn't have as much merit as I thought at the time, I immediately decided to bus my own teammate. Not only that but I was also under scrutiny in the thread, why would I bring attention to another mafia member when I can push a case on someone else (HolyFlare? Marv maybe?). Better for me to just keep pushing on WoS or pick a new target, no sense is putting two mafia members under scrutiny on day 1. Speaking of HolyFlare, this is off topic from my current explanation but when I went back later on and reread his posts I thought he might be town. I don't even remember why but that's what I thought. I don't like reading into people getting replaced out so I focused my attention elsewhere. If HolyFlare is town I expect Toad to be able to prove it to us sooner and not later. And by sooner I mean end of night 2 at the absolute latest. Secnario 2Foolishness is MafiaPromethelax is townThis is the only scenario out of the three that the town should be worried about as I didn't want to switch to sandroba and even said so straight up (the reason I didn't want to was because I saw Marv move his vote and I was really sketchy about him at the time. I didn't like what I was seeing last minute and I got super scared it was just town derp switching onto another town). But as I pointed out in my earlier posts what is the mafia doing the entirety of day 1 when I'm accumulating votes? As gonzaw pointed out this would only make sense if the entire mafia team (but myself) is afk (so like, HolyFlare also mafia). Furthermore, if I'm mafia and Promethelax is town, then wtf is up with sandroba's vote 30 minutes before the deadline? His post wasn't a mafia post trying to save his buddy, that was a mafia pushing what he perceived to be a safe lynch to make his team look pretty for the future days after I flip town or Promethelax flips town. I think it is even more apparent through the entirety of day 1 as a whole. Where is my mafia team to save me? Are they just afk (we all know mafia games on TL are never that easy)? The only one trying to deflect votes off of me was me. Sure, kitaman and austin both said I was town, but there was never a hard push. It seemed like their attitude was, "yeah Foolishness is town I'm sure, but I got nothing better to propose". Kitaman's push on Promethelax was mediocre at best (in terms of aggressiveness, not content). I was 100% on my own for all of day 1. Scenario 3Foolishness is TownPromethelax is mafiaWhy the hell did sandroba push onto Promethelax when he could have easily just been like, "yo guys I've caught Foolishness as mafia in three separate games on day 1/2, this is a free town lynch"? Doesn't make sense. Secnario 4Foolishness is TownPromethelax is TownI brought this up before, but go back and read sandroba's case on Promethelax. After sandroba's vote both Promethelax and I had 3 votes apiece (if I'm not mistaken here). Mafia were very very very happy with the votes at this time. Town Foolishness is under scrutiny and about to get lynched, and second in line is another town who Foolishness (apparently well-known scumhunter) is 100% convinced is mafia. Wow find me a happier mafia team on day 1 in a normal or all-vanilla game. Sandroba was not throwing his vote down to save someone or push for any lynch. Mafia were happy with who was getting lynched that day and there was no need to do anything about it. THIS NEXT PARAGRAPH IS VERY IMPORTANTLook at this from sandroba's point of view in this scenario. The only people with votes are two townies. He drops his vote on Promethelax with the following mindset. "Let's say Foolishness gets lynched. Sweet, I just push on Promethelax the following day and tell the town, 'yeah guys you fucked that up, Foolishness is best scum-hunter NA we gotta lynch Promethelax now'. Let's say Promethelax gets lynched. Sweet, I just admit my mistake and push Foolishness the following day and tell the town, 'yeah damn sorry about that read, this guy Foolishness is definitely mafia and 100% misled the town into a bad lynch. Many people said that lynch was bad from the beginning we should never have listened to Foolishness'". No matter who got lynched sandroba was in a great position, that is until he himself got lynched instead. Sandroba's vote was not a push to get the town to do something. No, it was lazily cast knowing that both suspects were town and he could ride it through the next day.
THIS SHOWS THAT PROMETHELAX IS TOWNLook at all four above scenarios. Scenario 3 makes the least amount of sense cause then sandroba's vote is an awful mistake. Scenario 1 doesn't make sense cause that means I bussed my own teammate (when I could have easily gone after WoS from the start or anyone else) and oh btw also means Promethelax bussed sandroba last minute (keep in mind him and Hapa voted 1 minute apart so in essence they both hammered that vote). The remaining two scenarios both have Promethelax as town. Because he is. Regardless of what you think of me as well, though the above and my earlier posts should prove my innocence as well. If you guys wanna spend 9 hours going down the conspiracy theory hole then cool story bro. Or you can just look at the facts and deduce the following: Town wins if WaveOfShadow, VisceraEyes, Kitaman, and Toad all die.
Also my time is very limited today and tomorrow but I will try to be here when I can.
What the fuck is that.
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It just doesn't make sens:
On January 24 2014 11:26 Foolishness wrote:Show nested quote +On January 24 2014 11:19 austinmcc wrote:
Side note, just putting this in thread while trying to chart stuff out.
IF Foolishness is mafia, then mafia Foolishness and mafia Sandroba were both pushing unknown alignment Promethelax yesterday. That combo means very very very very very very very very very likely that Promethelax is town.
That also means that the ONLY people voting not-mafia on D1 were Kitaman and HF.
Foolishness alignment unknown. Votes not perfectly telling, but WoS and VE both on Foolishness, and if he were mafia and actually looking like he might be lynched, I would expect not just a Foolish push towards votes on Prome, but a vote swap from the other mafia onto Prome.
So the possibilities of the third player in a Foolishness/Sandroba/x team really get chopped down and, to me, look like they consist only of Kita. I brought this up in my earlier post as well. The options are limited and are not congruent with the rest of the thread. WoS or VE today.##Vote: WaveOfShadow
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On January 25 2014 10:49 Foolishness wrote:Show nested quote +On January 25 2014 10:29 WaveofShadow wrote:On January 25 2014 10:15 Foolishness wrote:On January 25 2014 10:09 WaveofShadow wrote:On January 25 2014 10:06 Foolishness wrote:On January 25 2014 09:57 WaveofShadow wrote:I think it is even more apparent through the entirety of day 1 as a whole. Where is my mafia team to save me? Are they just afk (we all know mafia games on TL are never that easy)? The only one trying to deflect votes off of me was me. Sure, kitaman and austin both said I was town, but there was never a hard push. It seemed like their attitude was, "yeah Foolishness is town I'm sure, but I got nothing better to propose". Kitaman's push on Promethelax was mediocre at best (in terms of aggressiveness, not content). I was 100% on my own for all of day 1. I see absolutely zero reason why this section of your post is relevant, and I've said it multiple times before. I don't ever see mafia members actively trying to push lynches off their scumbuddies. However if you actually do think this way, maybe it explains why you as scum were trying to save sandroba? As I said above, if you and kitaman want to run down the conspiracy theory hole even after there's a boatload of evidence proving my innocence and very little evidence proving yours (and VE's, and Toad's, and Kitaman's) then that's cool when you lose the game for the town. I win games. Silly question then in regards to your last post: Which two of the four of us are scum? And 'it doesn't matter' doesn't cut it because there is no way in hell the rest of the players in this game will simply follow your instructions and lynch those 4 without considering all options. That's not a silly question. I believe it is you and Toad. Though I go back and forth on whether it's Toad or VE. Kitaman went after sandroba a lot on day 1. He called him out early, voted on him (twice) and pushed his case. I don't see him doing that to his own scumbuddy (moreso since sandroba was inactive so his case just kept looking better over time). And what makes me the most likely scum candidate over someone like VE or Toad? What have I done in this game to deserve the 'Most objectively scummy award?' And you know, as an aside something gonzaw mentioned really strikes home with me here. You keep pushing the lynch on four of us---if Toad is scum as I surmise, then you win simply because you mislynch the other three, and you hope to gain the sweet lovely towncred you crave. Even IF I somehow go down today (which isn't happening), immediately upon my flip the thread realizes something is up and your 'lynch 4 and win' plan never comes to fruition. Me explaining why you are mafia and should be lynched: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=439137¤tpage=53#1056What I said about VE on day 1 still applies: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=439137¤tpage=23#447But as I said I would be fine lynching either of you. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=439137¤tpage=63#1246Now that I gave you indisputable evidence that Promethelax is town (regardless of what you think I am) who is your mafia team? As a side note, for the list of reasons I want to lynch you we can also add "diverting the town with strange conspiracy theories about what happened on the day 1 lynch".
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On January 25 2014 10:15 Foolishness wrote:Show nested quote +On January 25 2014 10:09 WaveofShadow wrote:On January 25 2014 10:06 Foolishness wrote:On January 25 2014 09:57 WaveofShadow wrote:I think it is even more apparent through the entirety of day 1 as a whole. Where is my mafia team to save me? Are they just afk (we all know mafia games on TL are never that easy)? The only one trying to deflect votes off of me was me. Sure, kitaman and austin both said I was town, but there was never a hard push. It seemed like their attitude was, "yeah Foolishness is town I'm sure, but I got nothing better to propose". Kitaman's push on Promethelax was mediocre at best (in terms of aggressiveness, not content). I was 100% on my own for all of day 1. I see absolutely zero reason why this section of your post is relevant, and I've said it multiple times before. I don't ever see mafia members actively trying to push lynches off their scumbuddies. However if you actually do think this way, maybe it explains why you as scum were trying to save sandroba? As I said above, if you and kitaman want to run down the conspiracy theory hole even after there's a boatload of evidence proving my innocence and very little evidence proving yours (and VE's, and Toad's, and Kitaman's) then that's cool when you lose the game for the town. I win games. Silly question then in regards to your last post: Which two of the four of us are scum? And 'it doesn't matter' doesn't cut it because there is no way in hell the rest of the players in this game will simply follow your instructions and lynch those 4 without considering all options. That's not a silly question. I believe it is you [note: you=WoS] and Toad. Though I go back and forth on whether it's Toad or VE. Kitaman went after sandroba a lot on day 1. He called him out early, voted on him (twice) and pushed his case. I don't see him doing that to his own scumbuddy (moreso since sandroba was inactive so his case just kept looking better over time).
aka, thought it's WoS and VE from the start of d2, when asked explains why WoS and VE into "yep it's totally WoS and the guy who's voting WoS. without any kind of explanation
##unvote
##vote Foolishness
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I messed up the order of the quotes. The 3rd one should be in position #2 and the 2nd one should be in position #3 but I'm not going to quote the entire thing for the sake of the thread.
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On January 26 2014 02:38 gonzaw wrote:
Toad, do you still believe your case against WoS? Does this change your mind about WoS or are you just more focused on Foo, while you still think WoS is scum?
I still think his posting style doesn't reflect the way he should be posting and I still feel that he's putting on a show. That being said there's no way for me to not rethink my case with the criticism I got on it from you guys. He's still yellow in my chart if that answers your question but I decided to ignore him for now and make a fresh start on him tomorrow. He doesn't really fit with foolish as well and yeah I feel stronger about him
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How about lynching Foolishness VE. We've got cookies over here
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See I don't even mind that WoS vote but I really think Foolishness is the much better option today. The guy makes sense whenever he posts but as soon as he comes to some conclusion Sandro bad lynch despite having Sandro in his scumreads earlier on / WoS + Toad scumteam despite me voting WoS at that time and still harboring fuzzy feelings for him (not in a romantic way) it just goes batshit crazy.
He doesn't even feel the need to explain his mafiareads and instead writes wall of texts about his relationship with prome.
Like I said, I don't mind that WoS vote one bit but do you really think he's a better lynch than foolishness?
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On January 26 2014 03:22 VisceraEyes wrote:Show nested quote +On January 26 2014 03:21 Toadesstern wrote:
See I don't even mind that WoS vote but I really think Foolishness is the much better option today. The guy makes sense whenever he posts but as soon as he comes to some conclusion Sandro bad lynch despite having Sandro in his scumreads earlier on / WoS + Toad scumteam despite me voting WoS at that time and still harboring fuzzy feelings for him (not in a romantic way) it just goes batshit crazy.
He doesn't even feel the need to explain his mafiareads and instead writes wall of texts about his relationship with prome.
Like I said, I don't mind that WoS vote one bit but do you really think he's a better lynch than foolishness? No, but I think he's more likely to actually get lynched.
well here's a tip, put your vote on foolishness and he's more likely to get lynched. It helps
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On January 26 2014 03:27 VisceraEyes wrote:
Toad you think it's Wave and Foolish, and you don't want Foolish to get cred for a Wave lynch is that what I'm seeing here? BEcause you were just voting for Wave and Foolish is also voting for Wave.
I thought it's Wave for sure and not sure on the other one. I don't care about Foolishness getting cred for whatever if it lynches mafia right now.
Not so sure about Wave anymore but pretty sure on Foolishness. The fact that Foolishness is voting WoS and telling people that it's WoS + me at the same time is what's making it really weird for me right now and there's bound to be some kind of mistake there.
I think it's much less likely to be a mistake on my Foolishness is mafia assumption
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see I kind of got myself lynched last game and I was town as well because I was too fed up with someone being a dick.
How about we all hold hands, give VE this cycle to cool down, lynch Foolishness and see what VE does the next day. He seems to cool down when you talk to him in a rational way:
On January 25 2014 04:41 VisceraEyes wrote:Show nested quote +On January 25 2014 04:36 Toadesstern wrote:On January 25 2014 04:23 VisceraEyes wrote:
Like, and he was last on the wagon - whether it was a minute or 10 minutes, he voted last on the wagon and was NOT the hammer vote on sandroba. the thing is, if foolishness is mafia that explains why he didn't vote Sandro despite being a very shady explanation. If Sandro and Foolish are mafia together Foolish has nothing to lose, it's either him or Sandro to get lynched, might as well just do nothing and hope that in the confusion of voteswitches Prome (assuming he's town) gets into a more favoreable position to be lynched. If Prom however is mafia as well, so saying it's Sand - Foolish - Prom, that unwillingness from Foolish to vote Sand makes no sense whatsoever. He has nothing to get out of not voting Sand except for a 1-1 trade with Sand which doesn't change a thing for him. Voting Sand however gives him the chance to get some towncred out of it and he WAS around, he could have certaintly voted Sand. It just doesn't make sense if Prom and Foolish are both mafia. This makes sense to me. Thank you Toad.
Doesn't sound pissed to me. If he keeps on posting like that while still not doing anything we lynch him but let's get him to that state first instead of taking the coinflip on him. I could literally see him do this as town and mafia and we'll get a better picture of this soon enough. No need to rush this, VE isn't running away.
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On January 26 2014 03:55 marvellosity wrote:
how about we lynch you instead Toad?
doesn't sound like a good idea to me.
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On January 26 2014 04:29 WaveofShadow wrote:Show nested quote +On January 26 2014 04:26 VisceraEyes wrote:On January 26 2014 04:24 WaveofShadow wrote:
Ok a few thigns:
VE wtf was that vote on me? I don;t even understand your reasoning for it. Because I think you're town and no one else does? Is that it?
As far as marv;s argument, the problem is not only would you be comparing mafia to town mindset, you also have to remember that VE and I are two different people. My motivation has been ridiculously on this game not only because I'm not and want to win, but because of the game itself. Marv you remember me asking you pre-game if I should even play in this game? Part of my motivation this game is to show myself (and others) that I deserve to be in here. In any other game I highly doubt I would be spending such a great deal of the free time I barely have to post in massive bursts. VE may not be similarly motivated as town (or obviously as scum).
Now as for Foolishness, call me dumb but I'm starting to worry about how quickly it's being picked up. Especially by people like Toad. And even then if I'm right and Foolishness truly is mafia, is everybody going to be bamboozled by him again when he comes back with an hour to go and posts a flashy essay? It was that and the fact that Hapa suspected you and died - but gonzaw pointed out that he posted his suspicion AFTER the scum had made their shot, so it comes back to the "he's the only one who's right about me" which is NOT a strong enough point to lynch imo. It'd be pretty ballsy (if I'm right about you) as scum to be the only one. Hapa's suspicion is a stronger point if anything and I'll grant you that, but surprisingly nobody brought it up. And his case on me was vastly different than anyone else's I believe---I think it actually wasn't terrible. So, is Toad's voteswitch authentic or is he trying to jump off a losing train early and trying to gain some towncred on a bus?
On January 24 2014 08:13 Toadesstern wrote:Show nested quote +On January 24 2014 08:07 Promethelax wrote:
So hapa has
WoS
VE
Holy
Fool
as scummy. I was hoping he had a clear target before the resolution deadline that would have suggested that he was killed to push a single lynch.
In terms of history: marv or I are the most likely to kill Hapa as scum n1 I think. I actually disagree. Quick check through his filter, ignoring his last post because it was before deadline, will show up WoS a lot more than anyone else, especially if you compare it to VE who would be the one to show up more in Gonzaw's filter. So as I'm still going with the WoS and VE both look really bad, especially given that they both equally failed to do anything d1 deadline ( clicky! here to see why that's an issue I'd lean on WoS even more now. ##vote WoS
you're welcome.
Also wtf is that kind of a question. I'm getting cold feet here as I'm seeing you and VE on the same guy I want lynched and you have the balls to call Foolishness 100% mafia and say it's either a bus from me or a townie being right?
Sure I think Foolishness is the best lynch but I wouldn't have the balls to call it that 100% certain oO
Also when I voted foolish it was 2-2-2 in votes. I might be called the reason you're "wagon" is losing steam, again you're welcome
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On January 26 2014 04:38 WaveofShadow wrote:Show nested quote +On January 26 2014 04:35 Toadesstern wrote:On January 26 2014 04:29 WaveofShadow wrote:On January 26 2014 04:26 VisceraEyes wrote:On January 26 2014 04:24 WaveofShadow wrote:
Ok a few thigns:
VE wtf was that vote on me? I don;t even understand your reasoning for it. Because I think you're town and no one else does? Is that it?
As far as marv;s argument, the problem is not only would you be comparing mafia to town mindset, you also have to remember that VE and I are two different people. My motivation has been ridiculously on this game not only because I'm not and want to win, but because of the game itself. Marv you remember me asking you pre-game if I should even play in this game? Part of my motivation this game is to show myself (and others) that I deserve to be in here. In any other game I highly doubt I would be spending such a great deal of the free time I barely have to post in massive bursts. VE may not be similarly motivated as town (or obviously as scum).
Now as for Foolishness, call me dumb but I'm starting to worry about how quickly it's being picked up. Especially by people like Toad. And even then if I'm right and Foolishness truly is mafia, is everybody going to be bamboozled by him again when he comes back with an hour to go and posts a flashy essay? It was that and the fact that Hapa suspected you and died - but gonzaw pointed out that he posted his suspicion AFTER the scum had made their shot, so it comes back to the "he's the only one who's right about me" which is NOT a strong enough point to lynch imo. It'd be pretty ballsy (if I'm right about you) as scum to be the only one. Hapa's suspicion is a stronger point if anything and I'll grant you that, but surprisingly nobody brought it up. And his case on me was vastly different than anyone else's I believe---I think it actually wasn't terrible. So, is Toad's voteswitch authentic or is he trying to jump off a losing train early and trying to gain some towncred on a bus? On January 24 2014 08:13 Toadesstern wrote:On January 24 2014 08:07 Promethelax wrote:
So hapa has
WoS
VE
Holy
Fool
as scummy. I was hoping he had a clear target before the resolution deadline that would have suggested that he was killed to push a single lynch.
In terms of history: marv or I are the most likely to kill Hapa as scum n1 I think. I actually disagree. Quick check through his filter, ignoring his last post because it was before deadline, will show up WoS a lot more than anyone else, especially if you compare it to VE who would be the one to show up more in Gonzaw's filter. So as I'm still going with the WoS and VE both look really bad, especially given that they both equally failed to do anything d1 deadline ( clicky! here to see why that's an issue I'd lean on WoS even more now. ##vote WoS you're welcome. Also wtf is that kind of a question. I'm getting cold feet here as I'm seeing you and VE on the same guy I want lynched and you have the balls to call Foolishness 100% mafia and say it's either a bus from me or a townie being right? Sure I think Foolishness is the best lynch but I wouldn't have the balls to call it that 100% certain oO Also when I voted foolish it was 2-2-2 in votes. I might be called the reason you're "wagon" is losing steam, again you're welcome Yeah I was watching you subtly try to take credit for that. Horseshit, good sir. If there's any reason I'm not getting lynched today it's through my own damn merit. This is another one of those cases Toad where I'm damned if I do and I'm damned if I don't. If I'm not 100% confident people call me wishy washy, and now that I am you find it fishy. Fuck 'wishy-washy,' I'm never using it as a strict tell ever again.
okay here's the thing. I said I'm ignoring you for today because I got that people disagree with what I said about you and I'm rethinking the whole thing. You just implied that I was trying to get off a losing wagon which was obviously horseshit because it wasn't a losing wagon until I unvoted. Gonzaw specifically said something along the lines of "well looks like Foolish or VE day today" after I voted Foolishness if I recall correctly. I'm not taking credit for anything, I'm rubbing it under your nose because that comment of yours annoyed me.
So sorry for rubbing it under your nose but I can't stand it if you're flinging shit at me that's completly made up.
See, I'm taking my time to rethink you, I'm actually doing that because I know how badly tunneling can end up and especially you should know so as well. So could you please take a bit of that same medicine and just stop the flinging shit for no reason-part?
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On January 26 2014 04:52 WaveofShadow wrote:Show nested quote +On January 26 2014 04:47 Toadesstern wrote:On January 26 2014 04:38 WaveofShadow wrote:On January 26 2014 04:35 Toadesstern wrote:On January 26 2014 04:29 WaveofShadow wrote:On January 26 2014 04:26 VisceraEyes wrote:On January 26 2014 04:24 WaveofShadow wrote:
Ok a few thigns:
VE wtf was that vote on me? I don;t even understand your reasoning for it. Because I think you're town and no one else does? Is that it?
As far as marv;s argument, the problem is not only would you be comparing mafia to town mindset, you also have to remember that VE and I are two different people. My motivation has been ridiculously on this game not only because I'm not and want to win, but because of the game itself. Marv you remember me asking you pre-game if I should even play in this game? Part of my motivation this game is to show myself (and others) that I deserve to be in here. In any other game I highly doubt I would be spending such a great deal of the free time I barely have to post in massive bursts. VE may not be similarly motivated as town (or obviously as scum).
Now as for Foolishness, call me dumb but I'm starting to worry about how quickly it's being picked up. Especially by people like Toad. And even then if I'm right and Foolishness truly is mafia, is everybody going to be bamboozled by him again when he comes back with an hour to go and posts a flashy essay? It was that and the fact that Hapa suspected you and died - but gonzaw pointed out that he posted his suspicion AFTER the scum had made their shot, so it comes back to the "he's the only one who's right about me" which is NOT a strong enough point to lynch imo. It'd be pretty ballsy (if I'm right about you) as scum to be the only one. Hapa's suspicion is a stronger point if anything and I'll grant you that, but surprisingly nobody brought it up. And his case on me was vastly different than anyone else's I believe---I think it actually wasn't terrible. So, is Toad's voteswitch authentic or is he trying to jump off a losing train early and trying to gain some towncred on a bus? On January 24 2014 08:13 Toadesstern wrote:On January 24 2014 08:07 Promethelax wrote:
So hapa has
WoS
VE
Holy
Fool
as scummy. I was hoping he had a clear target before the resolution deadline that would have suggested that he was killed to push a single lynch.
In terms of history: marv or I are the most likely to kill Hapa as scum n1 I think. I actually disagree. Quick check through his filter, ignoring his last post because it was before deadline, will show up WoS a lot more than anyone else, especially if you compare it to VE who would be the one to show up more in Gonzaw's filter. So as I'm still going with the WoS and VE both look really bad, especially given that they both equally failed to do anything d1 deadline ( clicky! here to see why that's an issue I'd lean on WoS even more now. ##vote WoS you're welcome. Also wtf is that kind of a question. I'm getting cold feet here as I'm seeing you and VE on the same guy I want lynched and you have the balls to call Foolishness 100% mafia and say it's either a bus from me or a townie being right? Sure I think Foolishness is the best lynch but I wouldn't have the balls to call it that 100% certain oO Also when I voted foolish it was 2-2-2 in votes. I might be called the reason you're "wagon" is losing steam, again you're welcome Yeah I was watching you subtly try to take credit for that. Horseshit, good sir. If there's any reason I'm not getting lynched today it's through my own damn merit. This is another one of those cases Toad where I'm damned if I do and I'm damned if I don't. If I'm not 100% confident people call me wishy washy, and now that I am you find it fishy. Fuck 'wishy-washy,' I'm never using it as a strict tell ever again. okay here's the thing. I said I'm ignoring you for today because I got that people disagree with what I said about you and I'm rethinking the whole thing. You just implied that I was trying to get off a losing wagon which was obviously horseshit because it wasn't a losing wagon until I unvoted. Gonzaw specifically said something along the lines of "well looks like Foolish or VE day today" after I voted Foolishness if I recall correctly. I'm not taking credit for anything, I'm rubbing it under your nose because that comment of yours annoyed me. So sorry for rubbing it under your nose but I can't stand it if you're flinging shit at me that's completly made up. See, I'm taking my time to rethink you, I'm actually doing that because I know how badly tunneling can end up and especially you should know so as well. So could you please take a bit of that same medicine and just stop the flinging shit for no reason-part? It's not no reason, you're attempting to take credit for something I don't believe deserves it. I wasn't getting lynched once I showed up last night and started talking, despite where the votes were/are. I do appreciate you untunneling however, though I'm not really sure you had a choice given your case was pretty torn up. I'm sorry my comment annoys you but it's the way I am attempting to think about the game right now, especially because I am worried about Foolishness's inevitable return pre-lynch, which i will likely not be here for. Toad let's just talk. If Foolishness comes back and posts a whole bunch, do you think he is still likely to be lynched?
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On January 26 2014 05:00 gonzaw wrote:
Toad, why are you refusing to talk about VE?
He's the hotspot in the thread at the moment, yet you are the only one going on a tangent with WoS about Foo or whatever and not discussing him at all.
I've said that I'd like to see if this continues and judge him the next day.
I know ongoing game... but check out SMB mini mafia d2 lynch and my post directly before that. That gives you a good idea. Shouldn't be a problem to mention this as I've already flipped. That'll maybe take you 60 seconds
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