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Corazon
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
United States3230 Posts
December 23 2013 23:56 GMT
#6
/in
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Corazon
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
United States3230 Posts
December 26 2013 23:39 GMT
#70
*raises hand and jumps up and down* pick me Adam, pick me!

Koshi, if you are going to prove you are town by trolling, I am going to be really sad
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Corazon
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
United States3230 Posts
December 27 2013 02:54 GMT
#90
From a voting standpoint, I think it doesn't matter whether the leader sends himself or not. If you think the leader is town, you are going to trust his selections the same no matter who is on it. In fact, it might be even better if the leader decides not to put himself on the team as we are able to see more of his concrete reads and opinions.

This is just me theory-crafting but let me know if I am way off.
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Corazon
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
United States3230 Posts
December 27 2013 03:12 GMT
#92
If Koshi is going to troll, I'm not sure if I want him going on missions. Would it help our read of him or just hinder our chances at getting a good mission?
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Corazon
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
United States3230 Posts
December 27 2013 05:01 GMT
#99
On December 27 2013 13:58 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Corazon if you were a leader now would you send a team that does not include yourself?

Seeing as I just said that I don't really think it matters, I don't understand why are you asking that question.

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Corazon
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
United States3230 Posts
December 27 2013 05:14 GMT
#101
On December 27 2013 14:06 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Because you job as a leader is to send 3 townies on a mission. You knowing your alignment why would you not send yourself?

Because it gives me the opportunity to share my reads and have people discuss them. I can say all I want about people being townie but it never becomes concrete until I send them on a mission.

If I send myself, we only get to talk about the alignment of 3 people.
If I don't send myself, we get to talk about the alignment of 4 people. Myself + the 3 others I sent.

Of course the drawback is that we aren't able to discern the leader's alignment as accurately after the mission fails/succeeds, but I think both approaches are valid ways of picking teams.
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Corazon
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
United States3230 Posts
December 27 2013 05:19 GMT
#103
On December 27 2013 14:16 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Why would we talk only about those people's alignment who are sent in the mission?

Because when I say, "I'm thinking of sending A/B/C", that means we are supposed to talk about A, B, and C when we decide to accept/reject the team.

There are other times where we discuss everyone's alignment (such as after a mission), but for accepting/rejecting teams, I don't understand why we would publicly evaluate anyone else besides the town status of the people that the leader chose and the town status of the leader himself.
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Corazon
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
United States3230 Posts
December 27 2013 05:30 GMT
#105
On December 27 2013 14:25 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Oh god, i hope you drop that line of thinking if you are town. We are supposed to discuss everyone's alignment regardless of what the team leader is going to send. Strongest townreads should go, on D1 that means you should send yourself, because you are your strongest townread, and there is no concrete information of anyone's scumminess/towniness (i mean voting patterns & mission results to analyze).

Even if you have a weak townread on someone who is being put on the mission that does not mean you should automatically pass that without discussion, you need to suggest your strongest townreads. After D1 that somewhat changes but the first mission.. There is no reason to not nominate yourself if you are town, absolutely none.

So you are saying my line of reasoning is only invalid for D1?
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Corazon
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
United States3230 Posts
December 27 2013 05:48 GMT
#108
On December 27 2013 14:41 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Basically yes.
After D1 that somewhat changes.

Ok, I can compromise with you there. Of course I'm not picking first so I don't know what you mean by "I hope you stop thinking like this if you are town". No need to attack me for hypotheticals
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Corazon
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
United States3230 Posts
December 27 2013 16:06 GMT
#145
I kind of like Hopeless' idea of sending 2 strong town reads and 1 liability. I think that would be a good way to weed out the town lurkers from the spy lurkers if we got a good D1 where we passed the mission.

It's only a bad plan if we are behind, as spies can spare town a win and allow us to misread the liability.

I'm only doing a lot of theory crafting b/c this is my first time playing resistance and not too much has happened in the way of action.

Koshi, I think you should give hopeless the benefit of the doubt in the beginning of the game and not assume he is going to lurk the whole game. Why are you calling out people for meta reasons? How is that solving anything?
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Corazon
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
United States3230 Posts
December 27 2013 18:44 GMT
#154
In my opinion, Koshi needs to step up his game. His line of reasoning is very anti-town and his only explanation for why he should be picked is "I'm town".

If he doesn't improve, I don't think he should be considered for any of the missions (at least the first 2 or 3).
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Corazon
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
United States3230 Posts
December 27 2013 23:38 GMT
#170
After looking at Hopeless again, I really do like his posts. His contributions have been very excellent and I don't mind his nomination at all.

I'm also okay with Rayn and Adam as nominations. I want to hear some more questioning and activity from everyone b/c the only scum/spy read I have right now is Koshi.
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Corazon
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
United States3230 Posts
December 28 2013 00:35 GMT
#174
On CR - I think you are being a little harsh on him. I think your scum read on him is simply because you disagree with him. Most of his posts have been refuting you so he hasn't had much of a chance to say anything else in relation to the game. Perhaps you should back off of him a bit and let him do his thing?

Ofc if he pulls a Koshi and lurks, then you can go after him.

@Rayn + everyone else
How do you feel about Adam's team? Is there a more optimal team from your standpoint?
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Corazon
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
United States3230 Posts
December 28 2013 00:46 GMT
#176
Yeah I would've preferred myself or VE on the team instead of Adam but I also agreed with your point about the leader picking themselves on the team.
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Corazon
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
United States3230 Posts
December 28 2013 15:50 GMT
#189
Is it typical for the first mission team to be approved mostly uncontested?
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Corazon
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
United States3230 Posts
December 28 2013 20:35 GMT
#202
I'm going to have to Nay as well. I gave it careful consideration but I realized that Adam has had little thread presence and I can't really trust his picks because I believe that he has not been putting enough attention into the game to read anyone else.

The other thing that startles me was the lack of contestation of the picks. 3 people voted yes without really discussing it, which makes me nervous that this team is backed by the spies, which would most likely result in this mission failing. There wasn't enough scrutiny early on which doesn't give me confidence in Adam or his team.
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Corazon
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
United States3230 Posts
December 28 2013 20:46 GMT
#205
He's making Adam vote formally so we still have a chance to convince him to oppose his team and read the game.
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Corazon
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
United States3230 Posts
December 28 2013 21:17 GMT
#208
Would you like to explain your post?
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Corazon
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
United States3230 Posts
December 29 2013 01:41 GMT
#240
On December 29 2013 10:39 Adam4167 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 29 2013 10:28 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On December 29 2013 09:39 Adam4167 wrote:
Sentinel, if you could change your vote, would you switch it?

Rayn, same question to you

No i wouldn't. I don't trust you, especially after your comment on the top of the current page.


You don't like the fact that I want to take extra time to make sure I don't fuck this up?

Why

This ultimately rests in my hands, as I have the swing vote and I want to make sure i'm making the right decision.

Why are you only being cautious now as opposed to being cautious when you picked a team?
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Corazon
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
United States3230 Posts
December 29 2013 16:58 GMT
#270
TBH I think we should disregard most of what Koshi says. It's quite obvious from his posts that he's not really playing the game and he's just flinging shit for no reason.
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Corazon
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
United States3230 Posts
December 29 2013 17:00 GMT
#271
As for the team, I'd rather have myself, VE, and Rayn on the team but I would probably accept the team VE wants to propose.

I have a really good feeling that VE is town and I would blindly trust him a lot more than I would have blindly trusted Adam.
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Corazon
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
United States3230 Posts
December 29 2013 17:02 GMT
#273
On December 30 2013 02:00 VisceraEyes wrote:
No there's a reason. I'm just trying to decide if it's a town-aligned one or a scum-aligned one. Like, he said he'd consider Yay voting the team I said I was gonna submit, but he's also been calling me scum for two pages. Does that make sense from a town-perspective? It occurs to me that I'm trying to find a balance of towniness to me and towniness to the thread when making my choices, but Koshi seemed like he would send a scumread. :/


Well when it comes to Koshi, I'm just glad that there is no day where we have to send all of the town players. If he keeps this up, lets just not send him on any missions until we have a better idea of who is scum.
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Corazon
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
United States3230 Posts
December 29 2013 17:12 GMT
#274
VE, I just realized that you submitted a team. Is there a reason you proposed Sentinel instead of Rayn?
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Corazon
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
United States3230 Posts
December 29 2013 17:27 GMT
#277
On December 28 2013 04:09 Koshi wrote:
Will stop posting for 48 hours.

Not as much as this is a scumslip
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Corazon
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
United States3230 Posts
December 29 2013 20:40 GMT
#285
Hey hopeless, do you want to tell us why you are voting nay instead of trying to ninja your vote?
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Corazon
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
United States3230 Posts
December 29 2013 20:59 GMT
#293
Hopeless, do you think Koshi is town and why
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Corazon
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
United States3230 Posts
December 29 2013 21:54 GMT
#306
Hopeless, you think Koshi has town, yet you overlook the fact that he has barely contributed to the discussion and has only attacked people for superficial reasons.

Your scum read on me is based on the fact that you think Koshi is town, so your logic is faulty.

Don't say I've only been +1ing people when I've been contributing a lot more to the thread than you.
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Corazon
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
United States3230 Posts
December 29 2013 23:25 GMT
#312
On December 30 2013 08:18 Hopeless1der wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 30 2013 06:54 Corazon wrote:
Hopeless, you think Koshi has town, yet you overlook the fact that he has barely contributed to the discussion and has only attacked people for superficial reasons.

Your scum read on me is based on the fact that you think Koshi is town, so your logic is faulty.

Don't say I've only been +1ing people when I've been contributing a lot more to the thread than you.

The OMGUS is strong with this one. I didn't overlook shit with koshi. I have him as town despite his poor reasoning and his superficial attack on me.

My scum read on you is not solely based on koshi association.

I never said you're only +1ing. I said the +1 to me being town was scummy. Get wrecked.

[Hr]

VE you never brought up any reservations on me or rayn regarding why Adams team failed. Nor did you try to gauge reactions to your team before it was LOCKED in for your turn as leader. Very passive play bordering on foolish. Adam nayed himself to allow us more room for discussion. You just narrowed that discussion to your team for no reason almost immediately. That's not cool at all, I think its scummy.


So you're looking at Koshi's lack of productiveness and see it as town, and then you overlook my filter and only call me scum for one post? You're not looking at the big picture here.
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Corazon
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
United States3230 Posts
December 29 2013 23:30 GMT
#313
You also call me scummy for simply agreeing with people on my feelings about you, yet you overlook the three people who immediately sheeped yay votes onto Adam's team with minimal explanation. At least I waited for discussion before voting, just like I have for this team.

The fact that you are only going after me and overlooking others is really scummy. Your lack of parity between attacking myself and attacking others gives me a good feeling that you are scum and you are trying to derail this proposed team.
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Corazon
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
United States3230 Posts
December 31 2013 01:08 GMT
#358
I'd rather just pass this team b/c Koshi is the next pick and I'm automatically vetoing anything with him in it.

Rayn/VE - why haven't you made a decision on the team yet? You two have been the most active this "cycle" and you haven't voted yet, so I'm wondering what you two are waiting for.
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Corazon
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
United States3230 Posts
December 31 2013 01:41 GMT
#361
On December 30 2013 02:00 Corazon wrote:
As for the team, I'd rather have myself, VE, and Rayn on the team but I would probably accept the team VE wants to propose.

I have a really good feeling that VE is town and I would blindly trust him a lot more than I would have blindly trusted Adam.

Hopeless you are so scummy. Stop making accusations without looking at the facts.
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Corazon
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
United States3230 Posts
December 31 2013 02:18 GMT
#364
No, I said why I voted yay in the post I quoted. I'm not saying yay solely just to spite Koshi. I said yay because I liked the team. You made a false accusation because you're not looking at all of my posts. You're not calling me out, you're trying to throw shit all over me.
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Corazon
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
United States3230 Posts
December 31 2013 02:39 GMT
#367
On December 31 2013 11:27 Hopeless1der wrote:
You're trying to push a team through with scummy supportive reasoning. You "have a really good feeling that VE is town". *clap**clap* Very compelling.
"blind trust"

And you've tried to tell me you contributed more to the game than I have? Puh lease.

God you're full of shit. Stop flinging lies and shit around.
I'm definitely not approving any team with you in it.
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Corazon
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
United States3230 Posts
December 31 2013 02:39 GMT
#368
BTW Adam, happy birthday.
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Corazon
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
United States3230 Posts
December 31 2013 18:03 GMT
#417
@Koshi
Yeah it's pretty bad townplay to not talk to you directly, but the vibe I got off of your first few posts were that you weren't going to take this game seriously.

I actually do like the effort you put into the case, although I really don't think it proves that VE is scum. Perhaps I'm biased by my own read of him.

I haven't been scum in any game besides Titanic I and NMM 33. Not much to base my scum play off I guess, sorry =(

Instead of telling us who you aren't going to pick, I would like it if you could talk about who you are considering, please.
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Corazon
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
United States3230 Posts
December 31 2013 18:58 GMT
#420
Do you think his accusations of me are him trying to figure out if I'm scum or just him throwing shit on me? In my opinion, he's been throwing shit at me all game and he tries to count that as scumhunting when it isn't. I will say No to any team with Hopeless on it.
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Corazon
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
United States3230 Posts
December 31 2013 19:22 GMT
#425
Hopeless' shit-flinging on me could be an excuse for him to vote nay to an all-town team. He just decided the problem with the team was me and started shit-flinging to back up his opinion.
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Corazon
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
United States3230 Posts
December 31 2013 21:58 GMT
#445
On January 01 2014 05:21 Hopeless1der wrote:
Cora you wanna play mano-y-mano?


I'll get the air fresheners
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Corazon
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
United States3230 Posts
December 31 2013 22:01 GMT
#448
On January 01 2014 07:00 Hopeless1der wrote:
So guys...rayn/cora/hopeless

Who needs convincing?

This team is not going to work because I will vote no to it and hopeless is going to vote no to it.
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Corazon
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
United States3230 Posts
December 31 2013 22:13 GMT
#450
On January 01 2014 07:10 VisceraEyes wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 01 2014 07:00 Hopeless1der wrote:
So guys...rayn/cora/hopeless

Who needs convincing?

This looks like a post promoting the team Cora, not a post from someone who won't yay vote it. Is Hopeless the only factor in you not wanting to send this team?

Yes. I'm pretty convinced that he is scum. I really wish you would've suggested yourself/me/Rayn. I would've Yay'd that team in a heartbeat.
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Corazon
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
United States3230 Posts
December 31 2013 22:49 GMT
#454
On January 01 2014 07:44 Koshi wrote:
Cora, you do agree with me that there are some holes in VE his play right?

The biggest problems I have:
1) The nayvote as 4th vote with what he now calls a bullshit reason, who does that as town? I refer to big case to why he does it as scum (it comes down to bussing = bad). Here are the posts in VE filter around that:+ Show Spoiler +
On December 29 2013 00:30 VisceraEyes wrote:
Well if the guy who picked the team isn't confident, why should I be? I don't even have to read to nay-vote the team. XD

I'm reading anyway, you rascals.

On December 29 2013 02:53 VisceraEyes wrote:
Adam's reasoning is pretty generic for his picks, which isn't bad per se, but he himself is kinda a null read for me and I'd feel comfortable with someone like myself or Corazon on the team. Maybe a little Sentinel. But mostly just less Adam.

##Vote: Nay

On December 31 2013 05:13 VisceraEyes wrote:
And no, I thought Adam was scum when I nay-voted the team. Or at least, I was explicit in saying Adam was the reason I was nay-voting.

On December 31 2013 12:32 VisceraEyes wrote:
I'm going to be completely honest here guys.

The reason I nay-voted Adam's team was because three people instantly yay'd it and that bothered me so I nay-voted. I hadn't filtered a single one of them when I voted. It was a response to the present votes, period.

Discuss.

On December 31 2013 12:34 VisceraEyes wrote:
When I posted later, I had filtered them and posted my thoughts, but at the time of my vote, I had no idea what alignment I thought any of the candidates were, aside from maybe having Adam as leaning town for thinking I'm scum for bad reasons.

He says he purely nayvoted based on the 3 yayvotes and didn't read any filters. HOWEVER, while he nayvoted he gave pretty accurate reasons to why he nayvoted ADAM. And then the last post in the spoiler is saying that when he actually did read Adam he had a townie read on Adam.

That's a pretty serious contradiction right?

Why would he point out his own contradictions? Both his reasons for downvoting Adam's team (he didn't like Adam/he was concerned by the lack of opposition) were decent reasons on their own, the only problem is that he changed his story halfway through. I don't see scum play in his open and honest posts.
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Corazon
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
United States3230 Posts
December 31 2013 22:54 GMT
#457
On January 01 2014 07:39 Hopeless1der wrote:
Cora's brain can't seem to handle the possibility that someone considers him scum. But he's probably town. And a self-centered drama queen.


What a 180. This post greatly supports my theory that Hopeless was simply trying to throw shit at me to justify a nay-vote to an all-town team.
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Corazon
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
United States3230 Posts
December 31 2013 23:01 GMT
#460
On January 01 2014 07:57 VisceraEyes wrote:
Cora do you have misgivings about Sentinel that I overlooked somewhere?

While I go look at Sentinel's filter (because I did have one small qualm but I decided to overlook it b/c I was ok with the team you sent out), can you answer me this:

Are you trying to find scum through process of elimination? As in finding all of the town first?
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Corazon
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
United States3230 Posts
January 01 2014 00:30 GMT
#464
Ok VE, I will answer you now.

The only problem I have with Sentinel is that he isn't really sharing his own opinions. He's made a few posts talking about who he thinks is scummy, but the majority of his posts are talking about game mechanics and possible scum plans. I'm not sure where he stands on his reads because he hasn't made them readily available.
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Corazon
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
United States3230 Posts
January 01 2014 00:50 GMT
#467
@Koshi
On December 30 2013 08:30 Corazon wrote:
You [hopeless] also call me scummy for simply agreeing with people on my feelings about you, yet you overlook the three people who immediately sheeped yay votes onto Adam's team with minimal explanation. At least I waited for discussion before voting, just like I have for this team.

The fact that you are only going after me and overlooking others is really scummy. Your lack of parity between attacking myself and attacking others gives me a good feeling that you are scum and you are trying to derail this proposed team.


On December 31 2013 11:18 Corazon wrote:
No, I said why I voted yay in the post I quoted. I'm not saying yay solely just to spite Koshi. I said yay because I liked the team. You made a false accusation because you're not looking at all of my posts. You're not calling me out, you're trying to throw shit all over me.


On January 01 2014 04:22 Corazon wrote:
Hopeless' shit-flinging on me could be an excuse for him to vote nay to an all-town team. He just decided the problem with the team was me and started shit-flinging to back up his opinion.


This is the basis of my Hopeless read.
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Corazon
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
United States3230 Posts
January 01 2014 23:45 GMT
#485
This game...

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Corazon
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
United States3230 Posts
January 01 2014 23:50 GMT
#487
5 people who barely participate (besides Sentinel) just outvoted all of the people actually discussing everything...
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Corazon
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
United States3230 Posts
January 02 2014 00:06 GMT
#489
Yeah I'm sorry, Koshi has been involved in the game ever since he has gotten to pick his team.
My apologies.
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Corazon
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
United States3230 Posts
January 02 2014 00:40 GMT
#492
On January 02 2014 09:40 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
Oh Rayn didn't, forgot he votes last. He was in support of this team though.

This team is going to fail because Hopeless is scum. I don't know how many more times I have to say it
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Corazon
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
United States3230 Posts
January 02 2014 00:42 GMT
#495
On January 02 2014 09:41 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 01 2014 04:55 raynpelikoneet wrote:
If you wanna send me + you + Hopeless i am okay with it. But please, do not pick the team yet if you are able to do it later, i want to hear what other people have to say about it aswell.

Yeah he said so right here

Yeah but 2 people who haven't read the thread said yes without thinking it over.
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Corazon
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
United States3230 Posts
January 02 2014 00:47 GMT
#498
On January 02 2014 09:42 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 02 2014 09:40 Corazon wrote:
On January 02 2014 09:40 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
Oh Rayn didn't, forgot he votes last. He was in support of this team though.

This team is going to fail because Hopeless is scum. I don't know how many more times I have to say it


Other than him, who are your two others and why?

I thought it was Koshi first but I'm a bit less sure due to his latest posting. I wonder if he will keep his activity up after his turn to pick is over.

I'm also curious about CR as he hasn't done much after the first 24 hours.

Coag and I agreed a week or so ago by PM to not talk to each other so I probably will not pick him for missions either.

I'm just trying to find three really townie people to send right now. I'm just finding people I don't want to send on teams, it's hard to call someone scum for sure until we do some missions.
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Corazon
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
United States3230 Posts
January 02 2014 00:56 GMT
#500
On January 02 2014 09:44 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 02 2014 09:42 Corazon wrote:
On January 02 2014 09:41 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
On January 01 2014 04:55 raynpelikoneet wrote:
If you wanna send me + you + Hopeless i am okay with it. But please, do not pick the team yet if you are able to do it later, i want to hear what other people have to say about it aswell.

Yeah he said so right here

Yeah but 2 people who haven't read the thread said yes without thinking it over.

Read the rationale on CR's nonvoting given by Koshi/Rayn and please post thoughts on it

Koshi just gave two possible rationales for CR's lack of caring and then gave a null read on CR.

It doesn't really matter to me if he is trying to make himself hard to read or if he is not caring about D1, all I know is that he is not invested in this game at all which makes me not want to take him on a mission currently.

If he starts caring after D1, then my read on him will change based on his posts and his reads, but I won't forget how much of a non-factor he has been so far.
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Corazon
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
United States3230 Posts
January 02 2014 00:57 GMT
#503
Coag, I don't intend on talking to you at all this game and I asked you to not talk to me at all. Please respect that request.
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Corazon
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
United States3230 Posts
January 02 2014 01:01 GMT
#505
On January 02 2014 09:59 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 02 2014 09:57 Corazon wrote:
Coag, I don't intend on talking to you at all this game and I asked you to not talk to me at all. Please respect that request.

Cora you're only making yourself look redder by using that fight as a crutch.

This has nothing to do with the game. I don't want him to talk to me and he should respect that.
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Corazon
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
United States3230 Posts
January 02 2014 01:01 GMT
#507
On January 02 2014 10:01 Coagulation wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 02 2014 09:57 Corazon wrote:
Coag, I don't intend on talking to you at all this game and I asked you to not talk to me at all. Please respect that request.


We are in a game together and its expected that you play properly. your just gonna have to tough it out buddy.

You joined my game. Last warning before GM has to hear about this issue again.
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Corazon
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
United States3230 Posts
January 02 2014 01:05 GMT
#512
On January 02 2014 10:03 Coagulation wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 02 2014 10:01 Corazon wrote:
On January 02 2014 09:59 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
On January 02 2014 09:57 Corazon wrote:
Coag, I don't intend on talking to you at all this game and I asked you to not talk to me at all. Please respect that request.

Cora you're only making yourself look redder by using that fight as a crutch.

This has nothing to do with the game. I don't want him to talk to me and he should respect that.


CORA this is a PUBLIC chat forum for christs sake. I dont have to "respect" your wishes when they are as asinine as controlling who I can talk to in a public place.


It would be bad if I said you could not talk to someone else, but I just want you to leave me alone. How simple of a wish is that?
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Corazon
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
United States3230 Posts
January 02 2014 01:05 GMT
#513
On January 02 2014 10:04 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
Can both of you just stop acting like five year olds and start playing the game?

You're the one who made the issue worse by calling me scummy for it.

I'll be back later.
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Corazon
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
United States3230 Posts
January 02 2014 21:22 GMT
#549
Guys, look at hopeless flopping around like a fish because he has nowhere to hide.
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Corazon
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
United States3230 Posts
January 02 2014 21:43 GMT
#551
I did develop a cohesive argument. Read my filter.
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Corazon
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
United States3230 Posts
January 02 2014 21:59 GMT
#556
On January 03 2014 06:57 Chairman Ray wrote:
Has Corazon played as scum in a previous mafia game before?

Newbie Mini Mafia 33
Titanic I (I was IMCaptnJackSparrow)
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Corazon
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
United States3230 Posts
January 03 2014 17:18 GMT
#660
Look guys, I'm going to make this as simple as possible:

Hopeless is scum because when we had the best team suggested so far of Me/VE/Sentinel, his excuse for saying no was to throw lies against me and twist my words to give him some sort of justification to call me scum and disrupt the team. In my opinion, Hopeless saw that this team was all-town and he needed a decent reason to oppose it.

Now that this team failed, he immediately blamed Koshi without analyzing any of Koshi's posts or anything else. He doesn't even open up the possibility that Rayn could be scum. This would make sense from a scum perspective because if I was in scum Hopeless' position, I would attack the weakest target. It would be hard to fake a case on Rayn because he would tear things apart.

After saying Koshi is scum, he has not said anything to back it up. It's pretty obvious.
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Corazon
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
United States3230 Posts
January 03 2014 17:42 GMT
#662
On January 04 2014 02:26 Hopeless1der wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 04 2014 02:18 Corazon wrote:
Look guys, I'm going to make this as simple as possible:

Hopeless is scum because when we had the best team suggested so far of Me/VE/Sentinel, his excuse for saying no was to throw lies against me and twist my words to give him some sort of justification to call me scum and disrupt the team. In my opinion, Hopeless saw that this team was all-town and he needed a decent reason to oppose it.

Now that this team failed, he immediately blamed Koshi without analyzing any of Koshi's posts or anything else. He doesn't even open up the possibility that Rayn could be scum. This would make sense from a scum perspective because if I was in scum Hopeless' position, I would attack the weakest target. It would be hard to fake a case on Rayn because he would tear things apart.

After saying Koshi is scum, he has not said anything to back it up. It's pretty obvious.

And now that the team I was on failed, I've immediately said that the team I downvoted is probably all-town and needs to go today.

Why did it take until a team failing for you to figure it out? You're trying to get me off of your back.

It doesn't explain your 180 on me and your 180 on Koshi. If you were so sure about Koshi being scum, you wouldn't have voted yes for the team.

Right after the team failed, you should have looked at Koshi's filter and given reasons as to why it is Koshi instead of saying "Koshi is the spy". That is not a town mindset. It's you continuing to find someone to attack and throw shit on to say that you are participating in the game.
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Corazon
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
United States3230 Posts
January 03 2014 17:55 GMT
#664
On January 04 2014 02:47 Hopeless1der wrote:
Cora, did I say I flipped a coin or something? You've assumed I didn't read koshi's filter (I did). You never asked for reasoning, you just jumped the gun and said I'm full of shit at every turn.

I thought koshi was town, so I voted yes on the team. Then it failed. Ergo Rayn or Koshi (yes, or me, kthx) is scum. Rayn is not scum because have you read his filter recently? If thats scum rayn I don't want to win this game, he's fucking earned it. Ergo Koshi is scum.

Well I'll drop that point on you b/c I'm not going to convince you that you are scum.

It still doesn't explain your 180 on me and your 180 on me/VE/Sentinel. Your nay vote was terrible on that team and even worse given that you started flinging shit on me as your excuse.
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Corazon
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
United States3230 Posts
January 03 2014 18:10 GMT
#666
You were flinging shit at me! You came up with conclusions that made me look scummy that were far from the truth. Did you read any of my posts that I wrote in response to your accusations?
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Corazon
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
United States3230 Posts
January 03 2014 18:28 GMT
#670
On January 04 2014 03:15 Hopeless1der wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 04 2014 03:10 Corazon wrote:
You were flinging shit at me! You came up with conclusions that made me look scummy that were far from the truth. Did you read any of my posts that I wrote in response to your accusations?

Not a damn thing I said was false. You can claim misconstrued, misunderstood, difference of opinion etc. You cannot claim false because at the time I posted, I believed my opinion. My accusations were an opinion based on my observations. That is not flinging shit, that is playing the game. I have since changed my mind about you. I dont necessarily need to change your mind about me, but it would certainly make the game easier to win for us.

No. They were blatant lies aimed to give you an excuse for voting no to a good team.
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Corazon
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
United States3230 Posts
January 03 2014 18:35 GMT
#672
On January 04 2014 03:32 Hopeless1der wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 04 2014 03:28 Corazon wrote:
On January 04 2014 03:15 Hopeless1der wrote:
On January 04 2014 03:10 Corazon wrote:
You were flinging shit at me! You came up with conclusions that made me look scummy that were far from the truth. Did you read any of my posts that I wrote in response to your accusations?

Not a damn thing I said was false. You can claim misconstrued, misunderstood, difference of opinion etc. You cannot claim false because at the time I posted, I believed my opinion. My accusations were an opinion based on my observations. That is not flinging shit, that is playing the game. I have since changed my mind about you. I dont necessarily need to change your mind about me, but it would certainly make the game easier to win for us.

No. They were blatant lies aimed to give you an excuse for voting no to a good team.

We'll come back to this post game. You're going to eat your words.

Right after you ride the bench of all of the missions and town cruises to victory.
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Corazon
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
United States3230 Posts
January 04 2014 07:18 GMT
#712
Yeah this is basically the team I've been wanting to send, and I can't knock Grack for wanting to send himself.
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Corazon
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
United States3230 Posts
January 04 2014 20:31 GMT
#720
Care to explain your vote?
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Corazon
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
United States3230 Posts
January 04 2014 22:09 GMT
#741
Koshi, you were doing so well. Are you ever going to care about this game when you are not picking the team?
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Corazon
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
United States3230 Posts
January 05 2014 23:38 GMT
#802
Well I'm still pretty sure Hopeless is scum so I'm most likely going to reject any team that he throws down.

Sentinel, you are really leaning on your Grack scum read in your proposed team. Grack has to literally claim scum for your team to be a good one to submit. Otherwise, you are taking a blind risk and hoping that Grack was the one who sabotaged the mission.
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Corazon
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
United States3230 Posts
January 05 2014 23:39 GMT
#803
Koshi if you could put more effort in when it's not your turn to pick the team, I might feel like sending you on missions.

Thx babycakes
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Corazon
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
United States3230 Posts
January 05 2014 23:50 GMT
#805
I'm not entirely sure, but two things are confusing to me:

Why did Grack make his team and then vote No on it? The timing of his vote looks really suspicious because it was after his vote would not matter. Perhaps he could be try to distance himself from a mission he knew was going to fail?

Why did Sentinel immediately blame Grack for the sabotage? It looks especially weird because he voted yes to the team. I don't understand.

Also, CR's post really makes me feel like he knew the mission was going to end in failure.

In my opinion, I need to pick two out of these three to join hopeless as my proposed scum team.
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Corazon
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
United States3230 Posts
January 05 2014 23:50 GMT
#806
Looks like 2 turned into 3. XD
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Corazon
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
United States3230 Posts
January 05 2014 23:56 GMT
#809
On January 06 2014 08:52 Koshi wrote:
Is there a reason why VE is town? Shouldn't he carry more weight?

I haven't seen any scummy posts from VE. I just get a townie vibe from him. He looks like he is trying to solve the game and never has bouts of inactivity or lack of effort like a lot of other players here.
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Corazon
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
United States3230 Posts
January 05 2014 23:57 GMT
#810
On January 06 2014 08:56 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
I stand by my proposition.

Why did you vote yes to your scumread's team?
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Corazon
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
United States3230 Posts
January 06 2014 00:02 GMT
#812
On January 06 2014 08:59 Koshi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 06 2014 08:56 Corazon wrote:
On January 06 2014 08:52 Koshi wrote:
Is there a reason why VE is town? Shouldn't he carry more weight?

I haven't seen any scummy posts from VE. I just get a townie vibe from him. He looks like he is trying to solve the game and never has bouts of inactivity or lack of effort like a lot of other players here.

dafuq???

He has 10 oneliners in the last 6 days??? Maybe 11.

So did CR, until his last post.
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Corazon
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
United States3230 Posts
January 06 2014 00:09 GMT
#814
At least I'm not confirmation biased...
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Corazon
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
United States3230 Posts
January 06 2014 00:11 GMT
#818
On January 06 2014 09:09 Koshi wrote:
VE hasn't committed on a single read, nor has he shown any interest at figuring out anybodies alignment.

At least he tries to play the game when it's not his turn to pick a team...
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Corazon
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
United States3230 Posts
January 06 2014 00:12 GMT
#819
"Yeah, I'll just throw my points in Cora's face and not give him any chance to respond. That'll show him"
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Corazon
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
United States3230 Posts
January 06 2014 00:47 GMT
#822
On January 06 2014 09:44 Chairman Ray wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 06 2014 08:50 Corazon wrote:
I'm not entirely sure, but two things are confusing to me:

Why did Grack make his team and then vote No on it? The timing of his vote looks really suspicious because it was after his vote would not matter. Perhaps he could be try to distance himself from a mission he knew was going to fail?

Why did Sentinel immediately blame Grack for the sabotage? It looks especially weird because he voted yes to the team. I don't understand.

Also, CR's post really makes me feel like he knew the mission was going to end in failure.

In my opinion, I need to pick two out of these three to join hopeless as my proposed scum team.


Of course I knew the mission was going to end in failure. I explained why in my post. In a 5-4 pass vote where three yay votes are from outside the mission, the mission is guaranteed to fail. Do you understand this logic?

Why didn't you spend your time trying to convince people it was bad instead of writing some long and hard to follow post? You're not being proactive at all this game.
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Corazon
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
United States3230 Posts
January 07 2014 00:37 GMT
#840
Somehow Koshi thinks that VE is town now. I really can't take anything he says seriously anymore.
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Corazon
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
United States3230 Posts
January 07 2014 02:17 GMT
#842
At least I can keep my reads straight.
And care about the game.
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Corazon
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
United States3230 Posts
January 07 2014 06:39 GMT
#872
Hey Sentinel, I'm trying to figure out a team to go after Hopeless' team goes into failure.

Who would you be ok sending?
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Corazon
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
United States3230 Posts
January 07 2014 06:53 GMT
#878
Hopeless has been attacking people with blatant lies all game VE. You just figured this out?
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Corazon
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
United States3230 Posts
January 07 2014 16:29 GMT
#903
Ok, this is what I'm thinking about:

People I want to take to the mission
Myself
Rayn
VE

People I don't want to take to the mission
Coag
CR
Hopeless
Koshi

Wait, now that I've visualized it in my head, I guess the only team I would want propose is me/Sentinel/Rayn/VE. It's just so hard because it's only a slight difference from the last one that failed. What do you guys think?
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Corazon
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
United States3230 Posts
January 07 2014 16:35 GMT
#905
On January 08 2014 01:34 Koshi wrote:
My list is way better.

Your list also changes every 3 hours
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Corazon
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
United States3230 Posts
January 07 2014 16:40 GMT
#907
On January 08 2014 01:38 Grackaroni wrote:
So you're counting on me being scum eh?

Well I really want Rayn and VE on the team because I have the best town vibes from the two of them, and I can't send the same team again because it will fail.

So yeah, I'm counting on you being scum. That's all I have after taking a step back and looking at the big picture of the game.
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Corazon
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
United States3230 Posts
January 07 2014 16:48 GMT
#909
On January 08 2014 01:46 Koshi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 08 2014 01:35 Corazon wrote:
On January 08 2014 01:34 Koshi wrote:
My list is way better.

Your list also changes every 3 hours

Glad you agree that it is better.

I think it wont change anymore.

You've also said that a bunch of times too. I can't take anything you say seriously anymore. Especially because you don't care about the game (your words, not mine).
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Corazon
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
United States3230 Posts
January 07 2014 16:53 GMT
#911
On January 06 2014 09:11 Koshi wrote:
0 cares. I am in 0 care mode.

Starting under this line.

______________________________________________

His words, not mine Grack.
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Corazon
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
United States3230 Posts
January 07 2014 20:18 GMT
#917
It doesn't matter what team I send, does it? Someone is going to have a problem with everyone.

What if I sent Coag/CR instead of Sentinel/Grack? Would that make them talk?
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Corazon
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
United States3230 Posts
January 08 2014 02:20 GMT
#936
Coming in between practicing French and going to work.

I'm putting CR on the team (i just submitted it) in hopes that it will convince him to come out and prove that he is town.
I proposed me/Rayn/VE/CR
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Corazon
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
United States3230 Posts
January 08 2014 02:20 GMT
#937
Also, I will be on later to discuss. I promise.
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Corazon
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
United States3230 Posts
January 08 2014 04:21 GMT
#940
On January 08 2014 12:16 Chairman Ray wrote:
Corazon, what's your reasoning behind confirming Grack as spy?

I want to bring VE and Rayn, I'm very confident that they are town. If I brought Grack, that would just be stupid as I would be bringing the same team as last time and throwing the game. So yeah, after I stepped back and looked at it. I decided it had to have been grack.

I'm bringing you because I want to see the reads you have and all of the activity/caring about the game that you have promised us time and time again. Let's hear those reads.
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Corazon
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
United States3230 Posts
January 08 2014 04:33 GMT
#942
I think Hopeless is scum...?
Koshi has said he doesn't care about the game so I didn't take him. Simple as that.
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Corazon
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
United States3230 Posts
January 08 2014 04:52 GMT
#944
On January 08 2014 13:43 raynpelikoneet wrote:
It does not matter if he cares or not.
If you think i am town and Hopeless is scum Koshi is confirmed town and you should take townies to the mission. VisceraEyes/Grack are not confirmed town, so why did you take VE/Grack over Koshi?

I didn't take Grack.

I took the two people I thought were the most town and then someone I wanted to see post more. No one in this town agrees with each other so it's hard to pick out one alignment-based case like yours out of the giant web of scum reads everyone has.

You can always nay the team if you are not satisfied with it.
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Corazon
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
United States3230 Posts
January 08 2014 04:58 GMT
#946
On January 08 2014 13:57 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Yeah but you don't take people "you want to see post more". You take people who are town. If you think i am town, Koshi, Coagulation and Chairman Ray are confirmed town.

Therefore your suggestion by default should be yourself, Koshi, CR and Coag. That's not what you did so i am nay-voting.

Well then fucking get CR to talk. I'm never going to get a team that will get 5 votes because half the people playing don't care about the game and the other half all think each other is scum. This is going to get nowhere.
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Corazon
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
United States3230 Posts
January 09 2014 04:45 GMT
#966
I hope FT decides to modkill CR. He posts like once every 5 days. How is that effort?
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Corazon
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
United States3230 Posts
January 10 2014 23:48 GMT
#1085
Hopeless y u so scummy?
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Corazon
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
United States3230 Posts
January 11 2014 00:07 GMT
#1087
Well I was just trying to demonstrate that I don't care anymore in order to secure a town read from you guys. Just like Koshi.
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Corazon
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
United States3230 Posts
January 11 2014 00:27 GMT
#1089
On January 11 2014 09:12 Hopeless1der wrote:
Oh wait I was supposed to stop posting, excepy for votes and such. My bad.

Yeah and so then, the last 3 people to stop trying are obviously scum. This plan is awesome.
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Corazon
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
United States3230 Posts
January 11 2014 01:01 GMT
#1095
gg thx for carrying Rayn

Sorry for pushing you around a bit hopeless, i needed to push a read
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Corazon
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
United States3230 Posts
January 11 2014 01:17 GMT
#1100
I think the question should arise of this game being suitable for these forums. Recently, we've had a lot of people who just sheep the strongest voices in the town. It makes it even harder to scumhunt without flips. I feel like we won this game because people just said "Ok, Rayn is town. We will listen to him". Rayn got picked to every single team without even having to make one himself.

I think this game is not very suitable for these forums, at least when there is only 1 strong veteran player in the game (I'm not saying anyone is bad, but Rayn is really really good).
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Corazon
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
United States3230 Posts
January 11 2014 01:29 GMT
#1109
On January 11 2014 10:27 Hopeless1der wrote:
Also cora if you ever hide behind omgus again...

That wasn't OMGUS lol. I literally caught you lying about what I had said.
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