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Corazon
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Koshi, if you are going to prove you are town by trolling, I am going to be really sad | ||
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This is just me theory-crafting but let me know if I am way off. | ||
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On December 27 2013 13:58 raynpelikoneet wrote: Corazon if you were a leader now would you send a team that does not include yourself? Seeing as I just said that I don't really think it matters, I don't understand why are you asking that question. | ||
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On December 27 2013 14:06 raynpelikoneet wrote: Because you job as a leader is to send 3 townies on a mission. You knowing your alignment why would you not send yourself? Because it gives me the opportunity to share my reads and have people discuss them. I can say all I want about people being townie but it never becomes concrete until I send them on a mission. If I send myself, we only get to talk about the alignment of 3 people. If I don't send myself, we get to talk about the alignment of 4 people. Myself + the 3 others I sent. Of course the drawback is that we aren't able to discern the leader's alignment as accurately after the mission fails/succeeds, but I think both approaches are valid ways of picking teams. | ||
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On December 27 2013 14:16 raynpelikoneet wrote: Why would we talk only about those people's alignment who are sent in the mission? Because when I say, "I'm thinking of sending A/B/C", that means we are supposed to talk about A, B, and C when we decide to accept/reject the team. There are other times where we discuss everyone's alignment (such as after a mission), but for accepting/rejecting teams, I don't understand why we would publicly evaluate anyone else besides the town status of the people that the leader chose and the town status of the leader himself. | ||
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On December 27 2013 14:25 raynpelikoneet wrote: Oh god, i hope you drop that line of thinking if you are town. We are supposed to discuss everyone's alignment regardless of what the team leader is going to send. Strongest townreads should go, on D1 that means you should send yourself, because you are your strongest townread, and there is no concrete information of anyone's scumminess/towniness (i mean voting patterns & mission results to analyze). Even if you have a weak townread on someone who is being put on the mission that does not mean you should automatically pass that without discussion, you need to suggest your strongest townreads. After D1 that somewhat changes but the first mission.. There is no reason to not nominate yourself if you are town, absolutely none. So you are saying my line of reasoning is only invalid for D1? | ||
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On December 27 2013 14:41 raynpelikoneet wrote: Basically yes. After D1 that somewhat changes. Ok, I can compromise with you there. Of course I'm not picking first so I don't know what you mean by "I hope you stop thinking like this if you are town". No need to attack me for hypotheticals | ||
Corazon
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It's only a bad plan if we are behind, as spies can spare town a win and allow us to misread the liability. I'm only doing a lot of theory crafting b/c this is my first time playing resistance and not too much has happened in the way of action. Koshi, I think you should give hopeless the benefit of the doubt in the beginning of the game and not assume he is going to lurk the whole game. Why are you calling out people for meta reasons? How is that solving anything? | ||
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If he doesn't improve, I don't think he should be considered for any of the missions (at least the first 2 or 3). | ||
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I'm also okay with Rayn and Adam as nominations. I want to hear some more questioning and activity from everyone b/c the only scum/spy read I have right now is Koshi. | ||
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Ofc if he pulls a Koshi and lurks, then you can go after him. @Rayn + everyone else How do you feel about Adam's team? Is there a more optimal team from your standpoint? | ||
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The other thing that startles me was the lack of contestation of the picks. 3 people voted yes without really discussing it, which makes me nervous that this team is backed by the spies, which would most likely result in this mission failing. There wasn't enough scrutiny early on which doesn't give me confidence in Adam or his team. | ||
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On December 29 2013 10:39 Adam4167 wrote: You don't like the fact that I want to take extra time to make sure I don't fuck this up? Why This ultimately rests in my hands, as I have the swing vote and I want to make sure i'm making the right decision. Why are you only being cautious now as opposed to being cautious when you picked a team? | ||
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I have a really good feeling that VE is town and I would blindly trust him a lot more than I would have blindly trusted Adam. | ||
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On December 30 2013 02:00 VisceraEyes wrote: No there's a reason. I'm just trying to decide if it's a town-aligned one or a scum-aligned one. Like, he said he'd consider Yay voting the team I said I was gonna submit, but he's also been calling me scum for two pages. Does that make sense from a town-perspective? It occurs to me that I'm trying to find a balance of towniness to me and towniness to the thread when making my choices, but Koshi seemed like he would send a scumread. :/ Well when it comes to Koshi, I'm just glad that there is no day where we have to send all of the town players. If he keeps this up, lets just not send him on any missions until we have a better idea of who is scum. | ||
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On December 28 2013 04:09 Koshi wrote: Will stop posting for 48 hours. Not as much as this is a scumslip | ||
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Your scum read on me is based on the fact that you think Koshi is town, so your logic is faulty. Don't say I've only been +1ing people when I've been contributing a lot more to the thread than you. | ||
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On December 30 2013 08:18 Hopeless1der wrote: The OMGUS is strong with this one. I didn't overlook shit with koshi. I have him as town despite his poor reasoning and his superficial attack on me. My scum read on you is not solely based on koshi association. I never said you're only +1ing. I said the +1 to me being town was scummy. Get wrecked. [Hr] VE you never brought up any reservations on me or rayn regarding why Adams team failed. Nor did you try to gauge reactions to your team before it was LOCKED in for your turn as leader. Very passive play bordering on foolish. Adam nayed himself to allow us more room for discussion. You just narrowed that discussion to your team for no reason almost immediately. That's not cool at all, I think its scummy. So you're looking at Koshi's lack of productiveness and see it as town, and then you overlook my filter and only call me scum for one post? You're not looking at the big picture here. | ||
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The fact that you are only going after me and overlooking others is really scummy. Your lack of parity between attacking myself and attacking others gives me a good feeling that you are scum and you are trying to derail this proposed team. | ||
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Rayn/VE - why haven't you made a decision on the team yet? You two have been the most active this "cycle" and you haven't voted yet, so I'm wondering what you two are waiting for. | ||
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On December 30 2013 02:00 Corazon wrote: As for the team, I'd rather have myself, VE, and Rayn on the team but I would probably accept the team VE wants to propose. I have a really good feeling that VE is town and I would blindly trust him a lot more than I would have blindly trusted Adam. Hopeless you are so scummy. Stop making accusations without looking at the facts. | ||
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On December 31 2013 11:27 Hopeless1der wrote: You're trying to push a team through with scummy supportive reasoning. You "have a really good feeling that VE is town". *clap**clap* Very compelling. "blind trust" And you've tried to tell me you contributed more to the game than I have? Puh lease. God you're full of shit. Stop flinging lies and shit around. I'm definitely not approving any team with you in it. | ||
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Yeah it's pretty bad townplay to not talk to you directly, but the vibe I got off of your first few posts were that you weren't going to take this game seriously. I actually do like the effort you put into the case, although I really don't think it proves that VE is scum. Perhaps I'm biased by my own read of him. I haven't been scum in any game besides Titanic I and NMM 33. Not much to base my scum play off I guess, sorry =( Instead of telling us who you aren't going to pick, I would like it if you could talk about who you are considering, please. | ||
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On January 01 2014 05:21 Hopeless1der wrote: Cora you wanna play mano-y-mano? I'll get the air fresheners | ||
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On January 01 2014 07:00 Hopeless1der wrote: So guys...rayn/cora/hopeless Who needs convincing? This team is not going to work because I will vote no to it and hopeless is going to vote no to it. | ||
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On January 01 2014 07:10 VisceraEyes wrote: This looks like a post promoting the team Cora, not a post from someone who won't yay vote it. Is Hopeless the only factor in you not wanting to send this team? Yes. I'm pretty convinced that he is scum. I really wish you would've suggested yourself/me/Rayn. I would've Yay'd that team in a heartbeat. | ||
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On January 01 2014 07:44 Koshi wrote: Cora, you do agree with me that there are some holes in VE his play right? The biggest problems I have: 1) The nayvote as 4th vote with what he now calls a bullshit reason, who does that as town? I refer to big case to why he does it as scum (it comes down to bussing = bad). Here are the posts in VE filter around that:+ Show Spoiler + On December 29 2013 00:30 VisceraEyes wrote: Well if the guy who picked the team isn't confident, why should I be? I don't even have to read to nay-vote the team. XD I'm reading anyway, you rascals. On December 29 2013 02:53 VisceraEyes wrote: Adam's reasoning is pretty generic for his picks, which isn't bad per se, but he himself is kinda a null read for me and I'd feel comfortable with someone like myself or Corazon on the team. Maybe a little Sentinel. But mostly just less Adam. ##Vote: Nay On December 31 2013 05:13 VisceraEyes wrote: And no, I thought Adam was scum when I nay-voted the team. Or at least, I was explicit in saying Adam was the reason I was nay-voting. On December 31 2013 12:32 VisceraEyes wrote: I'm going to be completely honest here guys. The reason I nay-voted Adam's team was because three people instantly yay'd it and that bothered me so I nay-voted. I hadn't filtered a single one of them when I voted. It was a response to the present votes, period. Discuss. On December 31 2013 12:34 VisceraEyes wrote: When I posted later, I had filtered them and posted my thoughts, but at the time of my vote, I had no idea what alignment I thought any of the candidates were, aside from maybe having Adam as leaning town for thinking I'm scum for bad reasons. He says he purely nayvoted based on the 3 yayvotes and didn't read any filters. HOWEVER, while he nayvoted he gave pretty accurate reasons to why he nayvoted ADAM. And then the last post in the spoiler is saying that when he actually did read Adam he had a townie read on Adam. That's a pretty serious contradiction right? Why would he point out his own contradictions? Both his reasons for downvoting Adam's team (he didn't like Adam/he was concerned by the lack of opposition) were decent reasons on their own, the only problem is that he changed his story halfway through. I don't see scum play in his open and honest posts. | ||
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On January 01 2014 07:39 Hopeless1der wrote: Cora's brain can't seem to handle the possibility that someone considers him scum. But he's probably town. And a self-centered drama queen. What a 180. This post greatly supports my theory that Hopeless was simply trying to throw shit at me to justify a nay-vote to an all-town team. | ||
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On January 01 2014 07:57 VisceraEyes wrote: Cora do you have misgivings about Sentinel that I overlooked somewhere? While I go look at Sentinel's filter (because I did have one small qualm but I decided to overlook it b/c I was ok with the team you sent out), can you answer me this: Are you trying to find scum through process of elimination? As in finding all of the town first? | ||
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The only problem I have with Sentinel is that he isn't really sharing his own opinions. He's made a few posts talking about who he thinks is scummy, but the majority of his posts are talking about game mechanics and possible scum plans. I'm not sure where he stands on his reads because he hasn't made them readily available. | ||
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On December 30 2013 08:30 Corazon wrote: You [hopeless] also call me scummy for simply agreeing with people on my feelings about you, yet you overlook the three people who immediately sheeped yay votes onto Adam's team with minimal explanation. At least I waited for discussion before voting, just like I have for this team. The fact that you are only going after me and overlooking others is really scummy. Your lack of parity between attacking myself and attacking others gives me a good feeling that you are scum and you are trying to derail this proposed team. On December 31 2013 11:18 Corazon wrote: No, I said why I voted yay in the post I quoted. I'm not saying yay solely just to spite Koshi. I said yay because I liked the team. You made a false accusation because you're not looking at all of my posts. You're not calling me out, you're trying to throw shit all over me. On January 01 2014 04:22 Corazon wrote: Hopeless' shit-flinging on me could be an excuse for him to vote nay to an all-town team. He just decided the problem with the team was me and started shit-flinging to back up his opinion. This is the basis of my Hopeless read. | ||
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My apologies. | ||
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On January 02 2014 09:40 [UoN]Sentinel wrote: Oh Rayn didn't, forgot he votes last. He was in support of this team though. This team is going to fail because Hopeless is scum. I don't know how many more times I have to say it | ||
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Yeah but 2 people who haven't read the thread said yes without thinking it over. | ||
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On January 02 2014 09:42 [UoN]Sentinel wrote: Other than him, who are your two others and why? I thought it was Koshi first but I'm a bit less sure due to his latest posting. I wonder if he will keep his activity up after his turn to pick is over. I'm also curious about CR as he hasn't done much after the first 24 hours. Coag and I agreed a week or so ago by PM to not talk to each other so I probably will not pick him for missions either. I'm just trying to find three really townie people to send right now. I'm just finding people I don't want to send on teams, it's hard to call someone scum for sure until we do some missions. | ||
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On January 02 2014 09:44 [UoN]Sentinel wrote: Read the rationale on CR's nonvoting given by Koshi/Rayn and please post thoughts on it Koshi just gave two possible rationales for CR's lack of caring and then gave a null read on CR. It doesn't really matter to me if he is trying to make himself hard to read or if he is not caring about D1, all I know is that he is not invested in this game at all which makes me not want to take him on a mission currently. If he starts caring after D1, then my read on him will change based on his posts and his reads, but I won't forget how much of a non-factor he has been so far. | ||
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On January 02 2014 09:59 [UoN]Sentinel wrote: Cora you're only making yourself look redder by using that fight as a crutch. This has nothing to do with the game. I don't want him to talk to me and he should respect that. | ||
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On January 02 2014 10:01 Coagulation wrote: We are in a game together and its expected that you play properly. your just gonna have to tough it out buddy. You joined my game. Last warning before GM has to hear about this issue again. | ||
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On January 02 2014 10:03 Coagulation wrote: CORA this is a PUBLIC chat forum for christs sake. I dont have to "respect" your wishes when they are as asinine as controlling who I can talk to in a public place. It would be bad if I said you could not talk to someone else, but I just want you to leave me alone. How simple of a wish is that? | ||
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On January 02 2014 10:04 [UoN]Sentinel wrote: Can both of you just stop acting like five year olds and start playing the game? You're the one who made the issue worse by calling me scummy for it. I'll be back later. | ||
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On January 03 2014 06:57 Chairman Ray wrote: Has Corazon played as scum in a previous mafia game before? Newbie Mini Mafia 33 Titanic I (I was IMCaptnJackSparrow) | ||
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Hopeless is scum because when we had the best team suggested so far of Me/VE/Sentinel, his excuse for saying no was to throw lies against me and twist my words to give him some sort of justification to call me scum and disrupt the team. In my opinion, Hopeless saw that this team was all-town and he needed a decent reason to oppose it. Now that this team failed, he immediately blamed Koshi without analyzing any of Koshi's posts or anything else. He doesn't even open up the possibility that Rayn could be scum. This would make sense from a scum perspective because if I was in scum Hopeless' position, I would attack the weakest target. It would be hard to fake a case on Rayn because he would tear things apart. After saying Koshi is scum, he has not said anything to back it up. It's pretty obvious. | ||
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On January 04 2014 02:26 Hopeless1der wrote: And now that the team I was on failed, I've immediately said that the team I downvoted is probably all-town and needs to go today. Why did it take until a team failing for you to figure it out? You're trying to get me off of your back. It doesn't explain your 180 on me and your 180 on Koshi. If you were so sure about Koshi being scum, you wouldn't have voted yes for the team. Right after the team failed, you should have looked at Koshi's filter and given reasons as to why it is Koshi instead of saying "Koshi is the spy". That is not a town mindset. It's you continuing to find someone to attack and throw shit on to say that you are participating in the game. | ||
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On January 04 2014 02:47 Hopeless1der wrote: Cora, did I say I flipped a coin or something? You've assumed I didn't read koshi's filter (I did). You never asked for reasoning, you just jumped the gun and said I'm full of shit at every turn. I thought koshi was town, so I voted yes on the team. Then it failed. Ergo Rayn or Koshi (yes, or me, kthx) is scum. Rayn is not scum because have you read his filter recently? If thats scum rayn I don't want to win this game, he's fucking earned it. Ergo Koshi is scum. Well I'll drop that point on you b/c I'm not going to convince you that you are scum. It still doesn't explain your 180 on me and your 180 on me/VE/Sentinel. Your nay vote was terrible on that team and even worse given that you started flinging shit on me as your excuse. | ||
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On January 04 2014 03:15 Hopeless1der wrote: Not a damn thing I said was false. You can claim misconstrued, misunderstood, difference of opinion etc. You cannot claim false because at the time I posted, I believed my opinion. My accusations were an opinion based on my observations. That is not flinging shit, that is playing the game. I have since changed my mind about you. I dont necessarily need to change your mind about me, but it would certainly make the game easier to win for us. No. They were blatant lies aimed to give you an excuse for voting no to a good team. | ||
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On January 04 2014 03:32 Hopeless1der wrote: We'll come back to this post game. You're going to eat your words. Right after you ride the bench of all of the missions and town cruises to victory. | ||
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Sentinel, you are really leaning on your Grack scum read in your proposed team. Grack has to literally claim scum for your team to be a good one to submit. Otherwise, you are taking a blind risk and hoping that Grack was the one who sabotaged the mission. | ||
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Thx babycakes | ||
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Why did Grack make his team and then vote No on it? The timing of his vote looks really suspicious because it was after his vote would not matter. Perhaps he could be try to distance himself from a mission he knew was going to fail? Why did Sentinel immediately blame Grack for the sabotage? It looks especially weird because he voted yes to the team. I don't understand. Also, CR's post really makes me feel like he knew the mission was going to end in failure. In my opinion, I need to pick two out of these three to join hopeless as my proposed scum team. | ||
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On January 06 2014 08:52 Koshi wrote: Is there a reason why VE is town? Shouldn't he carry more weight? I haven't seen any scummy posts from VE. I just get a townie vibe from him. He looks like he is trying to solve the game and never has bouts of inactivity or lack of effort like a lot of other players here. | ||
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On January 06 2014 08:56 [UoN]Sentinel wrote: I stand by my proposition. Why did you vote yes to your scumread's team? | ||
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On January 06 2014 08:59 Koshi wrote: dafuq??? He has 10 oneliners in the last 6 days??? Maybe 11. So did CR, until his last post. | ||
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On January 06 2014 09:09 Koshi wrote: VE hasn't committed on a single read, nor has he shown any interest at figuring out anybodies alignment. At least he tries to play the game when it's not his turn to pick a team... | ||
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On January 06 2014 09:44 Chairman Ray wrote: Of course I knew the mission was going to end in failure. I explained why in my post. In a 5-4 pass vote where three yay votes are from outside the mission, the mission is guaranteed to fail. Do you understand this logic? Why didn't you spend your time trying to convince people it was bad instead of writing some long and hard to follow post? You're not being proactive at all this game. | ||
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And care about the game. | ||
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Who would you be ok sending? | ||
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People I want to take to the mission Myself Rayn VE People I don't want to take to the mission Coag CR Hopeless Koshi Wait, now that I've visualized it in my head, I guess the only team I would want propose is me/Sentinel/Rayn/VE. It's just so hard because it's only a slight difference from the last one that failed. What do you guys think? | ||
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On January 08 2014 01:34 Koshi wrote: My list is way better. Your list also changes every 3 hours | ||
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On January 08 2014 01:38 Grackaroni wrote: So you're counting on me being scum eh? Well I really want Rayn and VE on the team because I have the best town vibes from the two of them, and I can't send the same team again because it will fail. So yeah, I'm counting on you being scum. That's all I have after taking a step back and looking at the big picture of the game. | ||
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On January 08 2014 01:46 Koshi wrote: Glad you agree that it is better. I think it wont change anymore. You've also said that a bunch of times too. I can't take anything you say seriously anymore. Especially because you don't care about the game (your words, not mine). | ||
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On January 06 2014 09:11 Koshi wrote: 0 cares. I am in 0 care mode. Starting under this line. ______________________________________________ His words, not mine Grack. | ||
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What if I sent Coag/CR instead of Sentinel/Grack? Would that make them talk? | ||
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I'm putting CR on the team (i just submitted it) in hopes that it will convince him to come out and prove that he is town. I proposed me/Rayn/VE/CR | ||
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On January 08 2014 12:16 Chairman Ray wrote: Corazon, what's your reasoning behind confirming Grack as spy? I want to bring VE and Rayn, I'm very confident that they are town. If I brought Grack, that would just be stupid as I would be bringing the same team as last time and throwing the game. So yeah, after I stepped back and looked at it. I decided it had to have been grack. I'm bringing you because I want to see the reads you have and all of the activity/caring about the game that you have promised us time and time again. Let's hear those reads. | ||
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Koshi has said he doesn't care about the game so I didn't take him. Simple as that. | ||
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On January 08 2014 13:43 raynpelikoneet wrote: It does not matter if he cares or not. If you think i am town and Hopeless is scum Koshi is confirmed town and you should take townies to the mission. VisceraEyes/Grack are not confirmed town, so why did you take VE/Grack over Koshi? I didn't take Grack. I took the two people I thought were the most town and then someone I wanted to see post more. No one in this town agrees with each other so it's hard to pick out one alignment-based case like yours out of the giant web of scum reads everyone has. You can always nay the team if you are not satisfied with it. | ||
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On January 08 2014 13:57 raynpelikoneet wrote: Yeah but you don't take people "you want to see post more". You take people who are town. If you think i am town, Koshi, Coagulation and Chairman Ray are confirmed town. Therefore your suggestion by default should be yourself, Koshi, CR and Coag. That's not what you did so i am nay-voting. Well then fucking get CR to talk. I'm never going to get a team that will get 5 votes because half the people playing don't care about the game and the other half all think each other is scum. This is going to get nowhere. | ||
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On January 11 2014 09:12 Hopeless1der wrote: Oh wait I was supposed to stop posting, excepy for votes and such. My bad. Yeah and so then, the last 3 people to stop trying are obviously scum. This plan is awesome. | ||
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Sorry for pushing you around a bit hopeless, i needed to push a read | ||
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I think this game is not very suitable for these forums, at least when there is only 1 strong veteran player in the game (I'm not saying anyone is bad, but Rayn is really really good). | ||
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On January 11 2014 10:27 Hopeless1der wrote: Also cora if you ever hide behind omgus again... That wasn't OMGUS lol. I literally caught you lying about what I had said. | ||
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