On December 27 2013 13:19 raynpelikoneet wrote:
So everybody is basically saying the same thing over and over again. There are 6 townies. If you exclude yourself there are 5 townies. Even the last missions require only max 5 people. You can select an all town team even if you exclude yourself. Therefore, in case you are considered not necessarily town and your team would be refused if you are in it, it's better to select other people. If you select a team which gets 8 nay votes, it tells us nothing. Voting patterns are the most important thing (obviously besides mission results) in this game because there are no flips.

Anyone who refuses to cooperate in mission selection as a leader and pushes through a selection that is doomed to get a fuckton of nay votes should not go a mission. That's what i think.

On December 27 2013 12:08 Chairman Ray wrote:
There are definitely situations where the leader would not put himself in. It would probably be best to analyse this case by case when these kinds of situations arise, because I always find that people suggesting sub-optimal teams, getting rejected, and letting the next good team pass gives more information than people doing the right play in the first place. We get information for why they chose the team, who approved the team, and who rejected it.

Anyways, other than Koshi who wants to be in, are there any other suggestions on who should be sent on the first mission? Since it's the first one, I'm alright with any team that goes in.

I think you are scum because of this. In 5 pl setup this works because it's actually better to pass the first mission as scum, in 9 pl setup this is different and not necessarily true. Seems to me like an attempt to stop the conversation before it even started.

CR - Does Koshi seem town to you? Why?

Why does not asserting for myself or a specific person to go on the first mission mean I'm scum? Is the logic that since scum will want to fail the first mission, then if I am town, I need to get into the mission to reduce the chances that there will be scum in there?

You are supposed to suggest an all town team, for every mission.
You don't seem to be giving any shits who goes onto a mission 1 and who doesn't. It's not only results and voting that wins the game, it's the discussion behind picks and people's responses on top of that.

What you said was basically "just pick some people who want to go on a mission and let's get over with it".
That's scummy.

I don't agree with that, but we can revisit this subject on day 2 if you want.

Anyway, we need to get some picks on the table. If Adam doesn't have any solid picks right now, we can throw some names on the table to discuss, and if Adam agrees, then he can put them up for a vote.

On December 27 2013 15:44 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Exactly what do you not agree with?

Please answer this. I just want to know what you disagree with, not why.

Chairman Ray

United States11903 Posts

December 27 2013 21:31 GMT

#164

Green - I agree
Red - I disagree
Blue - We can throw that up to debate case by case

Adam4167

Australia1426 Posts

December 27 2013 22:27 GMT

#165

Ill be downvoting any team that includes koshi on it.

He says he wants to send people that are active, so he adds VE to his proposed team, who had a grand total of 5 lines to his filter at that point. He wants to take hopeless out of the team because he might lurk, yet VE is completely fine with 5 lines. He theorizes me and grack are scum, pushing a townie hopeless to take the fall for the mission failure, yet still removes hopeless from his team.

I do not like that.

I am going to stick to my proposed team of myself, hopeless and rayn. Ill submit it after I have a shower and throw down a fistful of painkillers for this hangover.

raynpelikoneet

Finland43270 Posts

December 27 2013 22:59 GMT

#166

Yeah CR is scum.

raynpelikoneet

Finland43270 Posts

December 27 2013 23:07 GMT

#167

I think that's a good team Adam.

[UoN]Sentinel

United States11320 Posts

December 27 2013 23:08 GMT

#168

Gonna look more in-depth into Hopeless when I get back

FirmTofu

United States1956 Posts

December 27 2013 23:18 GMT

#169

Day 1: Phase 2

You may now begin voting on Adam4167's proposed team of Adam4167, Hopeless1der, raynpelikoneet. Remember, voting is mandatory.

Please vote in the Team Thread

Corazon

United States3230 Posts

December 27 2013 23:38 GMT

#170

After looking at Hopeless again, I really do like his posts. His contributions have been very excellent and I don't mind his nomination at all.

I'm also okay with Rayn and Adam as nominations. I want to hear some more questioning and activity from everyone b/c the only scum/spy read I have right now is Koshi.

Hopeless1der

United States5836 Posts

December 27 2013 23:48 GMT

#171

I voted yay in vote thread. Adam is null until proven otherwise, I give rayn a townread for being generally critical of everything that moves. Solid town rayn play as far as I can tell. I'm obv town of course.

raynpelikoneet

Finland43270 Posts

December 28 2013 00:14 GMT

#172

Corazon what's your read on CR?

raynpelikoneet

Finland43270 Posts

December 28 2013 00:14 GMT

#173

also Adam are you here?

Corazon

United States3230 Posts

December 28 2013 00:35 GMT

#174

On CR - I think you are being a little harsh on him. I think your scum read on him is simply because you disagree with him. Most of his posts have been refuting you so he hasn't had much of a chance to say anything else in relation to the game. Perhaps you should back off of him a bit and let him do his thing?

Ofc if he pulls a Koshi and lurks, then you can go after him.

@Rayn + everyone else
How do you feel about Adam's team? Is there a more optimal team from your standpoint?

raynpelikoneet

Finland43270 Posts

December 28 2013 00:43 GMT

#175

Corazon i think CR is giving out half-arsed opinions and not explaining them. I do not like that. I also do not like he is not willing to put any effort into figuring people's alignments on D1.

I would swap Adam with you, that would be my top team atm. I think VE is town too, but it's not a strong read. Adam is null for me. Koshi does not look too fancy, Grack & Sentinel are quite meh, haven't seen any strong opinions from them, and i think CR is scum for what i said.

Corazon

United States3230 Posts

December 28 2013 00:46 GMT

#176

Yeah I would've preferred myself or VE on the team instead of Adam but I also agreed with your point about the leader picking themselves on the team.

Adam4167

Australia1426 Posts

December 28 2013 01:49 GMT

#177

On December 28 2013 09:14 raynpelikoneet wrote:
also Adam are you here?

I'm back. kind of. Feel like trash.

Don't know what yall are seeing in VE's filter that'd be worth sending him on a mission.

Adam4167

Australia1426 Posts

December 28 2013 01:51 GMT

#178

Do I have to yay my own team? seems rather redundant

FirmTofu

United States1956 Posts

December 28 2013 03:04 GMT

#179

On December 28 2013 10:51 Adam4167 wrote:
Do I have to yay my own team? seems rather redundant

I'll assume yay unless you type nay for whatever reason.

FirmTofu

United States1956 Posts

December 28 2013 03:09 GMT

#180

Current Leader: Adam4167

Deadline to Vote on a Team: 04:00 GMT (+00:00)
Countdown:
Proposed Team: Adam4167, Hopeless1der, raynpelikoneet

Current Vote Count:
Hopeless1der: Yay
Adam4167: Yay