I like CR his explanation better because that is actually the truth. While what Hopeless is saying here is just fucking dumb if he is scum and he knows I am town. He is just pissing me off. Which can't help his cause. Unless he thinks he doesn't need me and is trying to play rayn like this. But really? This is the best way he can do it? Mehh.

Hopeless1der

United States5836 Posts

January 10 2014 18:09 GMT

#1063

On January 11 2014 02:59 Koshi wrote:
What do you make of Hopeless going in blind rage after me? This is perfect example.

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If I'm scum and manage to successfully "play" anyone, the game is over because some scummer is going to get onto the team to win the game for me. On the other hand you saying

On January 04 2014 10:48 Koshi wrote:
Guess I will yayvote.

On January 05 2014 04:41 Koshi wrote:
I will.

Followed by

On January 08 2014 00:27 Koshi wrote:
##Vote: Nay

Is literally you lying. Is it scummy? Maybe?...Perhaps?...but its not false like you suggest it to be and I know one of you or rayn is scum so this kind of ties my hands as far as rayn looks like he gives a shit and you dont.

raynpelikoneet

Finland43269 Posts

January 10 2014 18:13 GMT

#1064

Nonono.. What Koshi did there is not scummy at all.

Hopeless1der

United States5836 Posts

January 10 2014 18:20 GMT

#1065

There is a scum motive for it, and I concede its not the scummiest thing hes done, but its you or him.

raynpelikoneet

Finland43269 Posts

January 10 2014 18:21 GMT

#1066

No it's a null-tell.

Hopeless1der

United States5836 Posts

January 10 2014 18:58 GMT

#1067

so then why is koshi confirmed town again?

raynpelikoneet

Finland43269 Posts

January 10 2014 19:02 GMT

#1068

Because Sentinel claimed scum and you proposed a scumteam that did not include him and now i have to think if you were just being dumb because now Koshi is being dumb. Why the hell do you guys need to make this game so fucking hard for me?!!?""?! 5'
#t

Hopeless1der

United States5836 Posts

January 10 2014 19:05 GMT

#1069

On January 11 2014 04:02 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Because Sentinel claimed scum and you proposed a scumteam that did not include him and now i have to think if you were just being dumb because now Koshi is being dumb. Why the hell do you guys need to make this game so fucking hard for me?!!?""?! 5'
#t

but i did include sentinel, i told you i was being butthurt.

Thats the scumteam. Moderate chance that Sentinel is scum, but I'm calling that the scumteam. In any case, I still have 5 other players to choose from that arent those 4.

Hopeless1der

United States5836 Posts

January 10 2014 19:06 GMT

#1070

* note that statement is likely false as both CR and Rayn are probably town

raynpelikoneet

Finland43269 Posts

January 10 2014 19:08 GMT

#1071

Moderate chance that Sentinel is scum, but I'm calling that the scumteam.

Ughhh...

Hopeless1der

United States5836 Posts

January 10 2014 19:25 GMT

#1072

rayn, for the longest time I've been getting zero traction this game and everyone just assumes i'm scum because its convenient. What if Koshi is scum? There is enough one-linering and general apathy for the game that its at least plausible that he is a spy (and I'm not), isnt there?

Hopeless1der

United States5836 Posts

January 10 2014 19:28 GMT

#1073

I know that applies to a large portion of the player base but for right now, lets assume one of me and koshi is scum. You just concluded that the reasoning that CR gave Koshi confirmed town status is actually only sufficient to give him a null read. I'm continuously showing that I'm upset with town because no one will talk to me like i might be town. Its not like someone asked me or expected me to do things and I let them down, they just shrug me off and ignore me. Its hard to get motivated to give a shit under those conditions. Koshi is sheltered by CR's massive posts that have a decent amount of insight and he looks relatively town, but that does not make CR infallible.

Koshi

Belgium38799 Posts

January 10 2014 19:43 GMT

#1074

Hopeless. I keep giving you chances to call rayn scum and team up with me. Why don't you do that?

Hopeless1der

United States5836 Posts

January 10 2014 20:03 GMT

#1075

On January 11 2014 04:43 Koshi wrote:
Hopeless. I keep giving you chances to call rayn scum and team up with me. Why don't you do that?

i might be completely biased, but I dont think this is true. In any case, I find rayn to be way more town than you are.

Koshi

Belgium38799 Posts

January 10 2014 20:16 GMT

#1076

It's not way more. It's definite.

Chairman Ray

United States11903 Posts

January 10 2014 20:20 GMT

#1077

Hopeless, there's a chance that Koshi or Rayn may be spy. I read through both their filters three times, looked through their vote patterns, and spent a lot of effort trying to prove it either way, but there's nothing I could find. In order to give cause to someone being a spy, we have to look at their vote patterns and how they are pushing teams. We look at when they are pushing themselves to be on a team, what teams they are against and what teams they are for, who else they are trying to get on a team, and who they are trying to remove from teams. If either Koshi or Rayn is a spy, then that means town has been very trigger happy with voting, and they have constantly fought against each other to make arbitrary, non-alignment-indicative changes to teams. Koshi or Rayn slipped by the entire game without ever needing to vote on a team when the votes still mattered, or fight to get the team changed. Town this game cockblocked every opportunity that we have for getting reads from either of them and conveniently put spies on every mission.

If you can find some evidence indicating that either Koshi or Rayn is the spy, then I'm willing to consider it, but at this point I did whatever I could do, and if Koshi or Rayn does turn out to be the spy, I'm okay with the game ending.