And why the hell is that? If you are town we have 3 confirmed townies. Why would you say game is impossible to win? You need to find one townie now, then one townie more after this mission and gg.

Why don't people play this game for fucks sake?

Koshi

Belgium38798 Posts

January 10 2014 15:50 GMT

#1043

That's bad logic. There is no reason for me to be town. There is no reason for you to be town. Really 0 reason. Because you make sensible posts you are town?? Ofc not, and there is NOTHING we have to verify you are town. So you went on 2 missions and they both failed? So what? There were 5 others who could be spies. There is nothing to pressure people with in this game on D1: activity might be an indicator but why can't scum be active, there is no reason for them to not be active and "scumhunt" because there are no flips and nobody will ever know if you were wrong.

We all roll dices and hope they fall correct.

It's 6 vs 3.
Voting analysis is fucking silly because it is so easy for scum to see what will happen and vote accordingly.
No flips ever.
No blue powers or something like that.

This is comparable to a 6 vs 3 mini without flips, blue roles or NK. Just lynches in the darkness. Which town just doesn't win unless lucky. Extremely lucky.

I guess this is for endgame but the math behind this makes it very unlikely town wins this unless everybody is a super duper pro player, otherwise you need extreme luck to win as town.

Koshi

Belgium38798 Posts

January 10 2014 15:55 GMT

#1044

This game without secret votes makes it a tremendous times harder to catch scum with pants down. I tried to play into this fact by saying I would yay-vote and then nay-vote but it's so silly.

In this game to win you need to have 3 players that roll town AND that are better at looking town then 1 player who rolled scum.

If there is a player that rolled scum that is really good at looking town the game is played.

That's how I see it.

raynpelikoneet

Finland43268 Posts

January 10 2014 15:57 GMT

#1045

No Koshi, you don't need luck to win Resistance as town. There are no-flip setups in mafia which are balanced. This game would not exist if it was not balanced enough. I agree scum need to fuck up to lose. They have fucked up.

Sentinel thought there is 7 town. Noone makes that kinda logical mistake as town. If someone does then it's their fault.
Hopeless did - after that - call three other people scum. That is the next closest thing to a scumclaim. If he does that as fucking town then it's his fault.

This is the information we have and this is the information we need to work with. Because there are no flips. If even one of those guys is town then fuck it, but townies should not fuck up like that because this game is literally based on those kinda analysis!! It's that simple, they are scum, and now we have 7 people where we need to find 1 scum, or rather find 2 people where there is 1 scum so we can have 5 townies on mission 4 and 5.

Koshi

Belgium38798 Posts

January 10 2014 15:59 GMT

#1046

Normal mafia is balanced around the fact a team plays better than guys who are solo. I think this game counters that by the voting mechanism, but this voting mechanism is not the normal voting mechanism. The slowness of 24h picks and 24h votes also work in scum favor imo, making it fast paced like irl helps town because you need to take stances. VE didn't take a single stance on any player in the first 240 hours of this game. Still gets town read. rofl.

raynpelikoneet

Finland43268 Posts

January 10 2014 16:06 GMT

#1047

On January 11 2014 00:59 Koshi wrote:
Normal mafia is balanced around the fact a team plays better than guys who are solo. I think this game counters that by the voting mechanism, but this voting mechanism is not the normal voting mechanism. The slowness of 24h picks and 24h votes also work in scum favor imo, making it fast paced like irl helps town because you need to take stances. VE didn't take a single stance on any player in the first 240 hours of this game. Still gets town read. rofl.

And that's why i want Grack to do shit, i don't trust VE. At some point i thought he was town but after rereading it's a big nono. The problem is Grack hasn't done much either and Cora was really fucking scummy last phase. But at least one, probably 2 are town. And we need 1 town from there.

Scum disadvantage is no off thread comm. They need to play together in thread only, and that makes them fuck up. They can't coordinate.

Hopeless1der

United States5836 Posts

January 10 2014 16:17 GMT

#1048

On January 11 2014 00:57 raynpelikoneet wrote:
No Koshi, you don't need luck to win Resistance as town. There are no-flip setups in mafia which are balanced. This game would not exist if it was not balanced enough. I agree scum need to fuck up to lose. They have fucked up.

Sentinel thought there is 7 town. Noone makes that kinda logical mistake as town. If someone does then it's their fault.
Hopeless did - after that - call three other people scum. That is the next closest thing to a scumclaim. If he does that as fucking town then it's his fault.

This is the information we have and this is the information we need to work with. Because there are no flips. If even one of those guys is town then fuck it, but townies should not fuck up like that because this game is literally based on those kinda analysis!! It's that simple, they are scum, and now we have 7 people where we need to find 1 scum, or rather find 2 people where there is 1 scum so we can have 5 townies on mission 4 and 5.

Its frustrating that I am expected to play perfectly when I've never played in a forum setting nor did I claim to be particularly good at resistance, just that I understood the mechanics. CR used my whole "leader should always go" to call me scum because obviously I should know better. Guess what, I dont and Im bad. Gratz on dem scumhunting skillz.

Hopeless1der

United States5836 Posts

January 10 2014 16:19 GMT

#1049

rayn i called you/koshi/CR scum because I was butthurt and no one is giving me the time of day. CR's is full of shit, as pretty as it looks and yes it does looks incriminating for me, but its still technically false so i'm allowed to be upset by it.. In the same post I have sentinel as likely scum, but again, the whole being butthurt thing. I know one of you/koshi is scum and its probably koshi. And yet here you are trying to convince him to play, days too late for it to matter anymore because no one cares

Koshi

Belgium38798 Posts

January 10 2014 16:29 GMT

#1050

Nha. Not when you got this much time to do shit.
How to play scum:
-Either look like the towniest town that towned day 1 by trying to push "townagenda" and make friends by looking you want the best for town. Or just be more in shadow and missdirect town and the thread like in normal mafia.
-Predict how people will vote (it's obvious) and vote accordingly. There aren't much swingvotes and it should be easy to not look bad. Looking good isn't even needed most of the time.

By following above 2 rules you corrupted the dice. Now sit back and see them being rolled in your favor.

Koshi

Belgium38798 Posts

January 10 2014 16:31 GMT

#1051

Rayn fits above playstyle.

Scummers on my list don't.

Thats why I am on 0 care because I will stick to list even if it doesnt make sense.

Hopeless1der

United States5836 Posts

January 10 2014 16:37 GMT

#1052

if thats true then why is this game unwinnable?

raynpelikoneet

Finland43268 Posts

January 10 2014 16:40 GMT

#1053

I don't fucking know what to think. Maybe we should swap Koshi and Hopeless.

Hopeless1der

United States5836 Posts

January 10 2014 16:48 GMT

#1054

On January 11 2014 01:40 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I don't fucking know what to think. Maybe we should swap Koshi and Hopeless.

that still leaves us wondering who is the scum on mission 2. Does my VCA for koshi/grack/adam(coag) do anything for you if you assume I'm town?

It would mean that Koshi is scum and one of coag/grack are likely scum (since Sent is almost confirmed). For right now we only need 4 and then the same 4 +anyone can go next mission since it's trivial if we pass this one.

raynpelikoneet

Finland43268 Posts

January 10 2014 16:51 GMT

#1055

I gotta take a close look at this later on tonight. I have sauna soon so i don't have time to think another scenario through from the beginning.

Koshi

Belgium38798 Posts

January 10 2014 16:51 GMT

#1056

Hopeless. Still sucking rayn cock. Since fucking Mission 1 failed. So dumb.

On January 10 2014 23:20 Koshi wrote:
So I had to consider you as scum to win.

Let it be known I gave you the option to look at rayn/CR after Mission 1 but you didn't Hopeless. You fucking didn't.

Koshi

Belgium38798 Posts

January 10 2014 16:55 GMT

#1057

And yes Hopeless.

As scum I am totally posting how this game is impossible to win and putting focus on me because it isn't 100% obvious I will go on the next mission and you won't.

rofl rofl rofl.

Fuck it.

Stick to my list which is a glorified "deserve to win" list.

rayn deserves it and I hope he isn't town and a random scum in VE/CR/Coag fucks it over and Hopeless doesn't at fucking all in case he is town and thus rayn scum.

It's so fucking impossible that Hopeless is being such an oblivious fuck as scum though. And the activity. FUCK IT.

My list stands. Still 0 care. Now without posting. Nobody else cares anyway. Except we 3 and at least 1 is scum.

Grtz on activity this game.

Koshi

Belgium38798 Posts

January 10 2014 16:59 GMT

#1058

rayn/ve/cr for endgame cred.

Koshi out.

Hopeless1der

United States5836 Posts

January 10 2014 17:02 GMT

#1059

On January 11 2014 01:55 Koshi wrote:
And yes Hopeless.

As scum I am totally posting how this game is impossible to win and putting focus on me because it isn't 100% obvious I will go on the next mission and you won't.

rofl rofl rofl.

Yeah...because you win the game if you get on the next missionn and acting like you are so upset about not being able to win "looks" townie when you arent supposed to care anymore.

Koshi

Belgium38798 Posts

January 10 2014 17:02 GMT

#1060

Oh. I need to add that I will still stick to my other list that I will vote yay/nay for.

But now I named 7 people that might be scum and I can't go wrong.