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On January 10 2014 01:52 marvellosity wrote: yeah, the more the merrier jat, I'll take the number of ... as indicative of the level of your affection for me I thought that was self-evident. What other reason would there be for posting those? | ||
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On January 10 2014 04:01 LSB wrote: Sounds good to me, it has been moved up 3 hours earlier, as soon as I figure out how time codes work Thank you sir! | ||
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On January 11 2014 02:01 marvellosity wrote: yeah I probably won't initiate any PMing this game. I'll just trust that people want to PM me first. Then if they don't I'll complain in the thread about it. Hm, good to know. I won't initiate many conversations either but because of different reasons. I think it is hard enough to manage the thread and filters without having to pm a shitload of people while doing so. I will respond to people but I will pm people first only if I have a very specific reason to do so or if I really respect their opinion and want to know it. | ||
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Now the only question that remains is - should a corgi really be classified as a dog? I have doubts about that. Hopeless you can still join I think. | ||
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On January 11 2014 09:10 Blazinghand wrote: Make me mayor and I'll lynch kush d1. /thread Why don't you wait and see how he plays first? What's with all the people deciding to policy lynch that early in the game without even considering the play of the person in question... Marv will you try to be elected? | ||
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On January 11 2014 09:35 Blazinghand wrote: Not considering the play of the person in question? are you flipping kidding me? kush's play is not necessary "awful" per se but it's the kind of play that in my personol onion demands a response that optimizes our chance of winning this game. That response is lynching kush. I know EXACTLY how kush is going to play this game, and let's not kid anyone here: so do you. He's going to lurk. he's going to make occasional posts. If he's town, he will try to vote whoever is the scummiest, but if he's scum his activity will basically be the same. We should get rid of him. Well IF Kush is playing this way and you still think nobody will be able to read him - ok. But I don't think threating him this way (deciding to kill him without caring about what he actually does) improves the situation with him. | ||
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On January 11 2014 09:41 marvellosity wrote: I'll run for mayor if/when I find a candidate I want to lynch or I think town is going full on dumbo. Keep in mind that the mayor has more power than deciding the Day1 lynch. | ||
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On January 11 2014 09:44 marvellosity wrote: I'm well aware of the setup, twinkletoes  Just wanted to be sure. | ||
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On January 12 2014 01:13 Mocsta wrote: This page top is a read from Kush regarding you. You call that a read? Maybe have a look at my last game where I got in a huge fight with bugs about the same topic. We can look at his actual play (which based on this read on me is pretty bad I admit especially because he knows I defended him last game) before deciding to policy lynch him, no? | ||
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On January 11 2014 18:13 DoctorHelvetica wrote: I didn't say or even imply that, it's clear you're not reading. I'd like him to explain the mass PM and why he sent it to me first then didn't respond to my reply, I want to know his intentions there. Just like I wanted to know his intentions for the Kush lynch, which he admitted were sincere, but then is going to push me as mayor even though I most definitely won't lynch the person he wants lynched which means he must not have cared much about it in the first place. That's not really what I'd call tunneling and it doesn't seem like he's taking his policy lynch seriously so it's curious he hasn't abandoned the idea already. It's even more curious that anyone else would think it's a good idea. It's curious. I want him to respond. I want answers from him. I demand them. This is part of the process of scumhunting. Not pulling hyperbolic accusations out of your ass prematurely, it's a process. I obviously get why you think the policy is bad but I don't understand the bolded. How would you know at that point that you won't think Kush is scummy later on? On January 11 2014 19:18 raynpelikoneet wrote: Elaborate more please. I can't know how you reached to the conclusion because i don't see your thought process in thread. Nor does anyone else. On January 11 2014 22:11 raynpelikoneet wrote: His post says Mig and marv are good players. So is DrH, but not as good as Mig or marv. DrH writes posts with many words. PM me and let's discuss reads, i won't do that in thread. Somehow I feel those quotes don't go to well together. Could you explain this? On January 12 2014 01:00 kushm4sta wrote: The thing that sucks about making rayn mayor is he is really bad at d1. He is best at analyzing the consistency in someone's reads, but you can't really do that yet d1. This is so wrong. If anything Day1 is rayns biggest strength. Just look at the last game. On January 12 2014 00:40 Mocsta wrote: [/B]<b>BUM WHERE ART THOU? Not sure if you did this on purpose or not... | ||
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See you in ~ 3 hours. | ||
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On January 12 2014 02:44 raynpelikoneet wrote: Apparently i thought Cheesecake was town last game, i wasn't the driving force behind lynching Corazon and Artanis was an easy catch on N1. But in the end kush might misremember that game.. Apparently in Extractor trick in the end of D1 my scumreads were gumshoe and yamato. I think thrawn can tell more about this. Also in other games kushm4sta has played with me my D1 reads have been terrible. He won't elaborate more though. Ok, I don't know which games you are talking about but I will take your word for it I guess. | ||
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On January 12 2014 02:45 raynpelikoneet wrote: ofc i am. Why are people doubting it? I just want to know if it is worthwhile to consider to elect you. Last post for now. | ||
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On January 12 2014 02:46 marvellosity wrote: jat, you didn't quite grasp rayn's dripping sarcasm there, did you I obviously didn't. Maybe cause I am in a hurry right now. | ||
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On January 12 2014 02:53 raynpelikoneet wrote: I am a bit puzzled JAT. Why do you think i would possibly not want to run for mayor? No idea. You could think someone else is better suited or have other reasons. Like Marv who doesn't seem to be interested in being mayor. | ||
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On January 12 2014 06:25 LSB wrote: LSB Banking was my smurf and ignore that. I'm am trying to see if I have a smurf for people to use if you want to Why would you want to use a smurf and why would that even be allowed (aside from the smurfs who signed up as a smurf)? I am confused. | ||
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On January 12 2014 06:37 yamato77 wrote: Well, if it's Chez, we pretty much just ignore/lynch him at our convenience. It would be nice to know who it is, regardless. Why? The only time I played with Chezinu (PYP) he played really well and townie. | ||
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On January 12 2014 07:45 Blazinghand wrote: well i retract any reason of lynchinig kush! don't lynch him as he is actually vayne Mind = blown. | ||
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On January 12 2014 07:53 Alakaslam wrote: What about a mayor you can WotC? I am open. Huh? | ||
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On January 12 2014 08:06 DoctorHelvetica wrote: i don't like you to be honest i've never hated anyone in a game more than i hate you but i think you're town, i'm being petty This only answers the second question and not the first one. | ||
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Why? I don't see the stupidity. | ||
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On January 12 2014 10:59 WaveofShadow wrote: Why, exactly? Were you planning on tunneling this to the ends of the earth? I don't really get this either. | ||
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On January 12 2014 11:35 Aquanim wrote: No. I have a couple of similar strength though. All I see in justanothertownie's two-page filter is kinda pointless oneliners in which he commits to almost nothing. For all I know he's doing work in PMs, but based on his thread presence so far he's another possible scum for me. This one isn't a scumread as such, but as long as Captain Obvious continues to post only "obvious" stuff and committing to nothing he's going to be next to impossible to read I think. And then there's the eight or so other lurkers. Of the active players I reckon at least most are town. Maybe you could point out the scummy things in my 2 page filter then? Or is my thread presence the only reason for your read? You don't even have one filter page and call other people lurkers... | ||
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Who do you want to elect? | ||
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If you want to hear my reads you could question me you know? But you didn't do that. You did not try to figure out my alignment and instead just threw shit on me. | ||
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On January 12 2014 12:39 Aquanim wrote: See, the thing is that if somebody accused me in the way that I just accused you, as a townie I would not have attacked them back. I would have thought "hey, they have a point. I should post my reads and convince them I have actually been thinking about the game." Also, just because this is a mayor-election day doesn't mean we shouldn't talk about who is scum. The bolded is obviously true but it is of secondary importance to me right now. If someone who looked townie accused me I probably would have reacted that way. But it was you who did next to nothing himself and to me it looks really suspicious that my lack of public reads is the scummiest thing you found in this game. | ||
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On January 12 2014 12:49 thrawn2112 wrote: what in your opinion is the scummiest thing in the game? Good question. I thought some things BH said were pretty scummy but that was probably wrong obviously... and call it OMGUS but I think Aquanims wishy washy stance on Derrida (he himself felt the need to answer the question about Derrida which was directed at everyone and then only came up with this inconclusive statement - why even say anything about it then?) + his attack against me is scummy too. If someone wants my opinion on something/someone just ask me. It's not hard... But I have to leave for real now. | ||
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On January 12 2014 13:00 thrawn2112 wrote: Has anyone talked to JAT in pms? I have been recently and I got the impression that he was making up his reads on the spot. Explanations were short and there weren't many conclusions. He also only talked about people that I mentioned first, something I noticed about my own scum mason play (esp the rayn chat) from Time to Die. Does anyone have similar or contrasting experiences with him in pm's? Well the reason for this is probably that some of those reads were indeed formed on the spot. I did not think deeply about all of the persons on your list and had to think about what my actual opinion on some of them is. | ||
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On January 12 2014 17:56 raynpelikoneet wrote: I know, that's what's fucked up in PM games. Noone does anything in thread. That's what i was trying to say early on in the game but apparently noone gives a shit. This is so annoying to me. It is hard enough to read people in normal games but here everyone can just say "no, I won't post in thread I pm people". The problem is if you pm those people they can choose what to tell you specifically. There is no possibility of reading people by their way of interacting with each other... I hate this. On January 12 2014 18:22 Aquanim wrote: Well for starters I'd appreciate it if you say where I "called people out for making general statements". I remember calling JAT out for "having no commitments regarding any reads at all in his entire filter" which is not at all the same thing. Also, everybody makes some general statements, including me. I've also made some not-general statements. What exactly is your point? I also can't help but notice that you haven't really answered my question. Would you care to correct that? Where is your commitment to your reads then? You backed off when rayn said I play this way as town and you are still flip flopping about Derrida. On January 12 2014 19:55 Aquanim wrote: Talked with marv and mocsta in PMs and I'm confident they're thinking about the game, hoping someone else who actually wants to deal with suchdoge in PMs will read him, have a slight townread on WoS (and he's pushing suchdoge, anyway, so your characterisation is inaccurate here), and I don't like Koshi's play so far either but I'll get to him later. If I tried to push eight lurkers at once I wouldn't get anywhere. By pushing JAT alone I've drawn reactions from him and others and moved the thread forward. (Before you ask, I'm not telling you everything I've learned from pushing JAT. Deal with it.) You still haven't explained why you think VE's town. 1) You call me out for having 2 pages of filter and no reads. 2) You call me a lurker. You can't have it both ways. 3) You tell us you have townreads on players who didn't do more than me because of pm conversations. Why didn't you pm me then? Are you interested in figuring out my alignment at all or are you just looking for someone to throw shit on to look like you are contributing? On January 12 2014 20:10 Aquanim wrote: I'm done with you Rayn. If somebody else thinks it's important to ask his questions, then say so and I'll answer them. What is the point? If it is the same question you could also just answer rayn... ignoring him only makes sense if his questions seem dumb to you. If they are there is no benefit in answering them if someone else asks them. | ||
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On January 12 2014 22:44 marvellosity wrote: More time to formulate a plan? What the fuck are you talking about? I'm not you so I don't make retarded plays because they sound like a good idea in my head. I'm swimming against the tide by running for mayor so late, that's really obvious. Doesn't seem that obvious to me. ^^ | ||
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Can't argue with that. | ||
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On January 13 2014 03:38 Captain Obvious wrote: You must not take the absence of something convincingly town as meaning they are mafia! Perhaps they have not yet had their chance to prove their towniness! In other news, Koshi still has not replied. It concerns me that he is happily chitchatting but stops messaging once I ask for something actually game-related! Are you actually chezinu? So many exclamation marks. | ||
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On January 13 2014 06:26 Koshi wrote: Also JAT. Why? | ||
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On January 13 2014 07:11 Koshi wrote: You aren't your intelligent and independent self. You also say you got to go in a hurry and then stay for 25 minutes. Twice now. Really Koshi? I am scummy because I stay a little longer than I said before? Explain please. When I said I was in a hurry I certainly did not stay 25 minutes longer. I remember this as one of my last posts at that time. How would you define my intelligent and independent self? Where is the difference to my usual play? | ||
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On January 13 2014 07:16 raynpelikoneet wrote: Koshi is town. How did you conclude this? | ||
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I don't have the time right now I need to finish a lab report and am really behind on this already due to this game. But on day2 I should have more time and would gladly do so. | ||
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On January 13 2014 07:28 Koshi wrote: First time you said you need to go but made 3 more posts. Maybe it is townie, but I don't remember you doing that in other games. But ok, not scummy for this: + Show Spoiler + On January 12 2014 02:44 justanothertownie wrote: You are seriously candidating for mayor rayn? See you in ~ 3 hours. On January 12 2014 02:45 justanothertownie wrote: Ok, I don't know which games you are talking about but I will take your word for it I guess. On January 12 2014 02:47 justanothertownie wrote: I just want to know if it is worthwhile to consider to elect you. Last post for now. On January 12 2014 02:48 justanothertownie wrote: I obviously didn't. Maybe cause I am in a hurry right now. But here you do it again, and it's not like you got a million posts. You have like 20 posts total back then and 8 are made "in a hurry":+ Show Spoiler + On January 12 2014 12:48 justanothertownie wrote: Anyways I am off for now. It has gotten really late. On January 12 2014 13:09 justanothertownie wrote: Well the reason for this is probably that some of those reads were indeed formed on the spot. I did not think deeply about all of the persons on your list and had to think about what my actual opinion on some of them is. The thing about the restricted and intelligent thing that is lacking are these 5 consecutive posts of you But I just glanced over some pages of PYP and you do this kinda one-liners there as well so mehhhh. okokok You are off the list. Is your confidence in your other reads of similar strength? | ||
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No, not in a hurry. But I can't be playing this game the whole time because I can't get anything done this way. | ||
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On January 13 2014 18:31 thrawn2112 wrote: nvm about aqua... he just came pretty close to town-confirming himself to me I don't really get how this confirms him as town in your eyes. | ||
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Like would you explain this to me? | ||
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On January 13 2014 18:54 thrawn2112 wrote: We've been talking all game and I've been very friendly in a "i'm town reading you" way, but I've gone back and forth from scum and town reading him without him knowing. All he knew up till I posted my case is that I was probably town reading him based on how I acted in PMs. Then suddenly I reveal my scumread to him and the thread, and he's still interested in talking to me even after he knows I strung him along in PMs. I don't think that as scum, his first reaction would be to immediately talk to the guy who just "betrayed" him. Well if he was scum don't you think it would be his primary goal to convince you that your suspicion is wrong? By refusing to talk to you he certainly would not achieve that. | ||
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On January 13 2014 18:59 thrawn2112 wrote: Yes, that would be his goal. But I have to make a call, and my call is that that post was genuine. This part here: "Well, I still think you're town (perhaps even more so now, that case felt about right as your town mentality)" looks very much like a real thought process that actually occured in a town aqua's mind Ok... I actually thought your post about him made plenty of sense and I don't see how this pm can't be written by scum. | ||
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On January 13 2014 18:06 thrawn2112 wrote: Aquanim + Show Spoiler [thread] + On January 12 2014 11:16 Aquanim wrote: Yeah, OK. Reasons to think he's scum: list post, but that's a heuristic in which I have only limited confidence bases his mayoral preferences first on "enjoying reading their filter because it is srs" and second his read on them Reasons to think he's town: I got nuffin, but I do have... Reasons I'm not certain yet: he has like 2 posts and being a newbie his thinking about "is this relevant to whether they should be mayor or not" probably isn't expected to be entirely accurate whatever his alignment tl;dr I'm not certain he's scum but he's a reasonable guess P.S. will go meta him now re. Marv's statement On January 12 2014 11:35 Aquanim wrote: All I see in justanothertownie's two-page filter is kinda pointless oneliners in which he commits to almost nothing. For all I know he's doing work in PMs, but based on his thread presence so far he's another possible scum for me. On January 12 2014 19:36 Aquanim wrote: JAT had clearly been present for a fair bit of the game but hadn't done anything which seemed like he was even interested in looking for scum. If PM evidence is presented which shows he was looking for scum in that way I will reconsider my read. If ya'll reckon that JAT not looking for scum is his standard town meta I will (disgustedly) move him to null. --note-- i don't believe aqua has followed up on this read at all On January 12 2014 21:34 Aquanim wrote: It would be an easy playstyle to replicate if he's scum. At worst, if he's town I have hopefully communicated to him that he should have reads and make them public to convince us all of his alignment. If he does that I am quite willing to be persuaded that I am incorrect in my present read, if that is in fact the case. + Show Spoiler [PMs] + "As for WoS, my read is like I said - gut says town, can't find any actual reads he's made so I'm having difficulty substantiating it, and I don't know him well enough to guess whether this raging is characteristic of his town or scum game. I've PMd him to see if he actually has reads he was too mad to post or not - starting with exactly why he thinks VE is town." "Also, about Gumshoe: putting himself forward as a mayoral candidate put him in the spotlight some so it'd be a ballsy scum move but he's done absolutely nothing since. The following post is a pretty half-assed way to support a Xata lynch. How seriously are you considering him? I'm currently at "if he does nothing significant tomorrow he's a decent lynch"." "I don't really know a whole lot about Koshi except that I think he's usually more active and more proactive than this. On that basis I'm leaning scum, but I think what this should really mean is "I should go talk to Koshi and find out what he's actually thinking"." "well he's not posted since I talked about him in the thread. In short, there's nothing about him I find towny and have no objections to seeing him hang, but due to the sheer shortness of his filter there's not enough material for me to be certain. " "My recollection of what I've seen from justanothertownie in the past is that this isn't *quite* unbelieveable as his towngame, I don't remember him ever having much in the way of strong/accurate/confident reads and pushing them. Reading those PMs it certainly doesn't feel like he's put a great deal of effort into his reads, but I'm not 100% certain that makes him scum - I've long since ceased to be amazed at the failure of townies to put effort into games. He's certainly jumped up to the top of my scummy list though." "Leaning scum on Rayn since he hasn't claimed that Mocsta is scum for the clusterf*** between the two of them. Blatant OMGUS is basically all Rayn does as town, isn't it? (based on BttB anyway) Then again the sheer derpiness which Rayn is exhibiting is a towny indication generally from him. "Talking about reads in PMs is anti-town"... is he drunk or something? Basically I don't want to try to read Rayn because either way reading his posts will pain me. Mocsta's trolly play is bizarre and not really typical of him, but I think I'll have a chat with him privately. Either he's scum and just trying to shit up the thread or he has some motivation for inciting Rayn, I could believe either. Or maybe he's drunk too. Kush seems moderately towny but not really enough to judge yet. " Town Aquanim from BttB The differences should be pretty obvious. Aquanim is clearly player who as town (which he's always rolled previously) likes to put a lot of thought into his reads and effort into his posts. He's doing neither of those this game. His explanations for reads only go surface deep, and many of his reads follow the pattern of "maybe this, maybe that, and here's an out for my future self." He doesn't screw around like that as town. He thinks through a problem, and comes to a conclusion which he clearly states. I've been having trouble getting firm reads out of him for much of the game, and when he considers a person's alignment he only takes small portions of their play into account. This is not the thoughtful town Aquanim that I've played with. I also want to mention that I've been in PM contact with him since 15:40 KST, roughly two hours ago and he has not posted in the thread during that time. I'm fairly sure that I noticed this happening earlier in the game. His thread presence is non-existent, but since that is the case with so many likely-townies because of PMs I'd like to hear if any of you have PM'd him enough to get a read on him. Am I the only one who has issues with some of those reads? Even if I put his read on me aside there are problems here: He states that the only things gumshoe has done were townie - is ok lynching him. He states Koshi has done nothing townie - true. But Koshi did play like that in recent games and I somehow doubt he would play this blatantly scummy if he was indeed scum. Ok, maybe Aquanim didn't follow those games. But the kicker is this rayn read. Holy shit. No, OMGUS is not the thing rayn does at all. I basically fought with rayn for half of the PYP really hard and he still had a townread on me for almost the whole game as far as I know. And I totally agree that discussing reads in pm while maybe helping to figure the specific person out prevents other players from reaching conclusions and isn't that helpful for town as a whole. This seems like a really weak cop out to not have to face rayn and/or his reads. | ||
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On January 13 2014 19:17 raynpelikoneet wrote: It's the way he posts. He has really good posts. Especially lately. For example? | ||
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On January 13 2014 19:36 Aquanim wrote: Okay then. You've misrepresented my statement on Gumshoe - what I actually said was "what he's done so far is townie, but if what he's done so far is ALL he does then it won't be enough to stop me scum-reading him for being useless" (put more explicitly here to prevent misunderstanding). As for rayn, if you think my view is groundless I guess you didn't read Back to the Basics, which is my only first-hand experience with him. I'm going to recast my question to you very simply. Do you think I am the best lynch tomorrow or not? You seem like a decent lynch, yes. | ||
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On January 13 2014 19:39 Aquanim wrote: That wasn't the question I asked. "Decent" isn't the same thing as "best". I want you to say, one way or the other, whether you think at this time there are NO other people in the game who are more likely to flip scum than me. Luckily it is N1 and the end of day2 is far away. You are the player who I have the worst feeling about right now so if I had to lynch someone this instant it would be you. I have a problem forming that many scumreads this game because I usually go mostly by PoE and with that many lurkers/replacements + some people only being active in pm this doesn't work that well this game so I have to have to go with what stands out as scummy to me (you). | ||
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On January 13 2014 19:48 raynpelikoneet wrote: Being suspicious of you, because you had a hard time getting reads cos everyone was in PM's. Now we have a scum flip and you are still not getting anything out of it. How does being suspicious of me before the flip make him look good then? But you are actually right. I didn't really go back to what Xatalos said yet and should probably do that asap. | ||
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On January 13 2014 19:57 Aquanim wrote: I (and everyone else, I imagine) would like to know what conclusions you draw from connections to Xatalos. I am going through his filter right now will post conclusions when I am done with that. You should do the same. | ||
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I think it is interesting that Xatalos supported yamatos campaign. Leads me to the question if mafia tried for mayor at all. I am not really sold about yamato but marv told me he looked good in pms. The only ever so little opposition against marv besides that was WoS. Hmm... Xatalos also seems to have a weird fixation for VE somehow. Brings him up really often without VE really doing that much and only puts him as a secondary scumread. Maybe a soft bus? He seems more certain about killing Derrida which makes that slot look a little better to me. Ok, wow those pms with Aquanim are quite exzessive for scum to fake and Aqua even started them. Damn. | ||
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On January 13 2014 20:33 marvellosity wrote: jat, how do you literally have zero opinions of any one of Xatalos, VE, or WoS on Day 1? Hm? I remember pming you opinions on both Xatalos and WoS day1. I had no opinion on VE that is correct. I always have problems reading VE and he didn't seem that important to me day1. | ||
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On January 13 2014 20:58 raynpelikoneet wrote: Sad Koshi. Do you want candies? Are you trying to roleblock him? ^^ | ||
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On January 14 2014 07:46 raynpelikoneet wrote: Like we don't even lose anything if he is town because anyways he is the most anti-town player in this game. While you are absolutely right about their play and I also agree that there should definitely be logs - I get that BH does strange and risky plays but claiming maison would be totally retarded. They can't even be saved so the longer the game goes the less excuse is there for them to survive. They absolutely will be caught if they are scum and out not one but two members. | ||
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On January 14 2014 08:04 marvellosity wrote: hopefully i got rayn to cool down on irc anyway, how about we kill wave Are we talking about lynching or vigging here? But yeah, doesn't seem like the worst idea. | ||
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On January 14 2014 08:59 Blazinghand wrote: jat So off hand my scumreads that are left are WoS and JAT. WoS doesn't really seem to be playing as others have said, and I think JAT has when he has showed up been pushing an actively antitown agenda. Here are my thoughts: A lot of his posts that look like interactions are not really interactions (link)(link)(this entire page of filter). Eventually he does give out a single unsupported read when he's seriously called out, then he bails (link). Even his attack post on thrawn2112 is super weak (link) and he's done nothing useful tonight except semispeculate on the xatalos associative tells, a player he didn't mention all day D1 (this is scummy). I want to lynch jat tomorrow. thoughts? Did you even read the thrawn post I quoted? I did not attack thrawn at all. | ||
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I don't get it. Why should I have attacked thrawn in your opinion? | ||
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On January 14 2014 09:33 gumshoe wrote: Its the xata curse, I cannot play in the same game as Xata. And why is that exactly? | ||
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On January 14 2014 09:35 gumshoe wrote: Not sure, its just how it is. If Xatas in a game making posts is like writing underwater. What prevents you from ignoring him? Are you trying to act dumb on purpose? | ||
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On January 14 2014 09:44 Mocsta wrote: It could be a pants on head thing. I dont like how he keeps fishing for information, and then avoids giving his own opinion. Hes done it to me + doge. I just cant understand him; I cant understand the motives for his actions; nor the objectives of his posts. Currently I am attributing that as mafia struggling to contribute. I only have LoL to compare to, where town Bum was open with his thoughts regardless of how useful or useless they were. Mocsta dude, Bum just flipped... | ||
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On January 14 2014 09:47 gumshoe wrote: What does voice have to do with forum? My Forum meta allows for this sort of douchbaggery, thats all thats relevant. Can someone just shoot this guy? Omg... | ||
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On January 14 2014 10:01 marvellosity wrote: so you modkill 2 other townies for free? why? That's probably the money question. I don't think anyone can complain about BH getting booted. | ||
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On January 14 2014 10:03 Mocsta wrote: Can we please move on. Hosts have final say and we have already seen their alignment, so its not like we can turn back the decision. I suggest this convo be continued POST-GAME in the ban thread or whatever. This is probably the only solution besides aborting the game. | ||
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On January 14 2014 10:32 Hopeless1der wrote: jat, if i concluded you were scum, it would have been easy to lynch you. just sayin  Because you had so much credibility? Dream on^^ WHat redcheck? I see no redcheck. | ||
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On January 14 2014 10:33 marvellosity wrote: yes it is actually https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AtQ-z1Y0D1ivdEFmbFZES01YQW9hbjBNZVFCZUR4OXc#gid=0 those were my reads before the flips Nice. My post was directed at Mocsta though. | ||
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On January 14 2014 10:34 Aquanim wrote: no redcheck yet, I had a green on chinstrap. I correctly guessed that if BC was scum he'd be godfather (so wasn't going to bother checking him) and prolly would have checked Vayne sooner or later. Dunno about Derrida/LSB Banking, but he was at least on the list. Grats. Vayne was the GF! | ||
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On January 14 2014 10:36 VayneAuthority wrote: there's no doubt town would have won this easily, dat setup though, i feared the worst and got it I agree. Felt really imbalanced. Pms, an almighty mayor, 3 confirmed town masons and a bunch of roles on top of that. | ||
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On January 14 2014 10:37 Aquanim wrote: I knew mafia could give GF to someone and figued it'd probably be BC, unless you're saying you gave GF from BC to Vayne That is exactly what I am saying. | ||
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On January 14 2014 10:39 marvellosity wrote: yes Aquanim and i agreed that BC would be most likely gf we were right there Nope. | ||
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On January 14 2014 10:45 marvellosity wrote: it would have been bum/coag Clever. | ||
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On January 14 2014 10:57 marvellosity wrote: you're fun, jat. you must stay in TL Mafia for sure. Dunno if I like or hate you for this comment. | ||
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He was pretty mad... | ||
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On January 14 2014 11:01 marvellosity wrote: need more marv mayor games Not if I roll scum again. No, no, no. I felt really alone in the scum qt after Xatalos was dead  | ||
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On January 14 2014 17:22 Mocsta wrote: U had to answer my questions and make me think u cared. I do think u were nailed for the approach to the mayor. Even though u ended up in pm with them, the thread actions didn't support it. All good anyways. U were the only guy I rhymed to. So well earned haha Ohh and thrawn was a pm fiend . Absolutely. Scary stuff what that guy knew. I don't think I would have approached the mayor election very differently as town. There were other indicators though. Everything fine Aquanim. | ||
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On January 14 2014 17:47 Blazinghand wrote: I actually really liked thrawn in pms. I became several times more effective this game just from talking to him This is somehow frightening. | ||
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On January 14 2014 19:29 marvellosity wrote: For what it's worth, shortly before the modkills happened, VE spoke to me on IRC, and the conversation went along the lines of "you actually think I'm town don't you" "yes, but I'm terrified of being wrong and looking stupid for it, but yes I think you're town" edit: but I did want to lynch gumshoe right at that moment, the modkills came at a terrible time for him to reappear That's one reason I use a spreadsheet actually, I don't usually say that much on them, but it's my "rational" place, where people get up/downgraded with due thought and without emotional flippancy. So what I'm pursuing in thread doesn't necessarily quite line up with my 'inner' reads that I decide to lynch later. For some particular reason, my reads shift after the lynch/during N1 were something like bum neutral -> town yamato town -> neutral -> town Mig neutral -> town Koshi neutral -> town gumshoe town -> neutral Captain Obvious suspicious -> neutral Aquanim neutral -> town chinstrap neutral -> suspicious BC neutral -> suspicious Wave neutral -> suspicious (oops really) VE suspicious -> neutral jat had the sole honour of never being coloured anything at all all game Then I am actually not that disappointed with my play. Although it sucked. Bum said that he was about to go after other targets after I gave him my pms to you from day1. Sadly that wouldn't have helped me since he suddenly passed away... Yeah, I would also like to know who suchdoge is. Much respect. | ||
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On January 15 2014 02:47 Blazinghand wrote: Man I'm still really impressed with how well kush hoodwinked me. I gotta give him props for that. Yeah. When I saw that he was on the team I wasn't that happy but that changed pretty quickly. | ||
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