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Although, I don't agree with his yamato pick as a stand in. | ||
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On January 12 2014 08:15 yamato77 wrote: Lawl, so you just don't like me. Gotcha I'm basically glossing over all the fine novels on display, so forgive me if I got the wrong impression. I just don't see a reason to have you as town from your filter. | ||
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On January 12 2014 08:28 DoctorHelvetica wrote: Alakaslam is too bad to be scum there is no difference at all between his scum and town play | ||
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On January 12 2014 08:34 Blazinghand wrote: ok well either you believe his claim and he shoudl be the mayor (since he will have a for sure bodyguard) or you DONt believe his claim. since i beleive him i vote him. makes sense right? makes sense indeed, if im understanding the setup correctly, the strongest role to have in the mayor position would be a mason. | ||
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On January 12 2014 08:35 marvellosity wrote: if mafia hits Hopeless in the first couple of nights they are doing town a massive favour by not hitting stronger players So the questions become do you value heart or mechanics more essentially. What is hopeless' proposed lynch at any rate | ||
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On January 12 2014 08:39 marvellosity wrote: ? It's not even a debate. You have a strong town player as mayor who can actually guide town in later days instead of town falling apart as happens 100% of the time in large games when mafia kill off the leaders. I want to elect rayn at any rate, just playing devil's advocate. Are you preferring yamato? I don't think rayn is scum after talking with him briefly. | ||
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just don't prefer you for mayor pretty much | ||
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On January 12 2014 08:57 marvellosity wrote: how do you read me, Vayne? What is my strategy for reading you or what is my current read on you after a brief read? I assume the latter so, I thought you were scummy from glancing over but rayn says you guys have talked a lot and that you are pretty town so obviously I trust that more then a quick read through. | ||
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On January 11 2014 09:41 marvellosity wrote: I'll run for mayor if/when I find a candidate I want to lynch or I think town is going full on dumbo. Seemed to me like a cop out if things were not going the way you wanted for your team, you would step in and try to take control as mayor to do damage control. | ||
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ill be voting for marv | ||
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WoS doing his usual paranoid of everyone thing and has some valuable input to the game (bar the squabbles with marv which are completely useless) that I think needs to be reread. On January 12 2014 11:02 Captain Obvious wrote: He must claim, either to verify or to deny and call you out as scum. Scum already knows if you're really a mason or not, not claiming only withholds information from town! On January 12 2014 23:19 Captain Obvious wrote: I have news for thee, faithful citizens! The one named Koshi engaged me in personal messaging last day, but after some silly banter, has disappeared when prompted to give some opinions about the game! This is very unsettling. dislike both of these posts. Teaching scum how to play and useless speculation in one post. Then tries to pin something that isn't inherently scummy on Koshi, grasping at straws. | ||
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On January 12 2014 22:47 Xatalos wrote: thrawn: + Show Spoiler + It's actually been a while. We haven't been in contact after the start of the day. Would you care to share your reasoning for having me in your "naughty list"? I agree with Derrida and Koshi though. Derrida opened with an easy-to-fake and useless listpost, has had zero interest in finding scum, has similarities with his last scumgame and now folds under pressure. Koshi has played so lazy and useless that he's probably not town. He's capable of much better. Only thing I'm unsure about is that he played a very active scumgame in Nuclear Winter Mafia, and he was very hard to catch, but here he's almost too scummy. I'm puzzled by suchdoge's disappearance as well as VE's PM behaviour. VE hasn't answered my PM's and apparently suspects marv/Mocsta in his PM's with Aquanim, yet shares no reasoning. Have you PM'd with VE? BH is almost certainly a Mason or even if he isn't, a fakeclaim will be found out later on. So I guess my suspicions about BH are pretty much useless to talk about now. Original Message From thrawn2112: Hi again, I'd like an up to date version of your thoughts on the game, and am wondrin if you have any reads you'd like to talk about? jat: + Show Spoiler + You've pretty much shared no reads in the thread and even posted this: "Well the reason for this is probably that some of those reads were indeed formed on the spot. I did not think deeply about all of the persons on your list and had to think about what my actual opinion on some of them is." How involved in finding scum are you really? Who are your 3 top scumreads? VE: + Show Spoiler + Why did you never reply to my PM despite posting in the thread? Apparently you suspect marv/Mocsta? Do you have any reasoning for that? rayn: + Show Spoiler + You never answered to my latest PM? Mostly about the possible faults with a massclaim. What do you think of marv as Mayor? Have you PM'd with VE? Aquanim: + Show Spoiler + I just had a worrying thought about marv. He claimed to me earlier that he would definitely run for Mayor as scum. Then he referenced an earlier game where he was hesitant to run for Mayor as town. What if he planned around that by being hesitant at first and then running anyway as scum? He's a skilled player so I don't think it would be impossible for him to think of a plan like that. Then there's also the fact of his very passive responses in PM's earlier. Otherwise he's felt towny, but I'm not sure if I'm ready to completely trust him yet. Original Message From Aquanim: Yeah, I'm inclined to agree with you about JAT that it's probably better to give him more time. I'm getting the definite impression that his early-game is weak. I've seen nothing more from VE than what I posted in the thread. It seems entirely unlike his towngame to be this reticient, but it's conceivable he's making some big play in PMs or some such. In any case he's probably a bad lynch today on the "don't-lynch-vets-day-1 principle" so I'm happy to let that lie for now. I'd love to have a more confident lynch than Derrida but at this point it's looking like he's the best lynch and not too terrible a choice. D'you have a read on Marv? My guess is he's town - I'm not certain, but I'd prefer to take that risk (in terms of handing out mayor) than to go with the guaranteed clusterf*** that a Rayn mayoralty would be. (The only game I've played with him was Back to the Basics in which he royally screwed the town over as town. He and I don't have a high opinion of one another, if you haven't noticed that already.) Hide nested quote - Original Message From Xatalos: jat has mostly posted one-liners about random stuff and hasn't appeared to focus on scumhunting so far. I also really dislike this post: "Well the reason for this is probably that some of those reads were indeed formed on the spot. I did not think deeply about all of the persons on your list and had to think about what my actual opinion on some of them is." Reactive much? Still, apparently he's a slow starter, so I think it's better to wait for him to start doing stuff. I think I'll chat with him soon to see if he's more transparent in PM's. It's actually kind of funny that I started suspecting you a bit earlier and people similarly told me that you're a slow starter. And now you've started posting quite a bit. I like most of your later posts so maybe the same will be true for jat as well. Apparently BH is Mason...? Well, at least he won't be a distraction anymore then. Derrida definitely seems scummy from his (short) filter. 1) Zero interest in scumhunting 2) easy to fake listpost 3) similarities with his previous scumgame 4) folding under pressure. I'm curious about VE. He hasn't responded to my PM's (despite me PM'ing him long before I went to sleep) and I have no idea what he's doing in PM land. Looking at your discussion with him he thinks Mocsta and marv are scum? Has there been any reasoning for that? Original Message From Aquanim: Heya, I'd like to have a bit of a chat with you. As a starting point, what's your read on justanothertownie so far and why? If you have anything you'd like to ask me, go ahead. cheers ~Aqua first major thing that pops out to me when going over his filter, was he in contact with anyone else? this could clear up quite a bit. This list shouldn't be considered for lynch for quite a bit imo, It didn't look like he was going to get lynched until towards the end of the day so he wouldn't have known to try to trick us or anything. all of these correspondants are town I think | ||
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On January 14 2014 02:30 marvellosity wrote: Vayne, what are the insights that you found valuable from Wave? mostly here On January 12 2014 10:07 WaveofShadow wrote: I'd suggest ditching dick move analysis; it's proven to be ineffective as of late. I will however appeal to you personally; you can take it as you will. Knowing what you know of me, my playstyle, and my attitude towards mafia and rules in general, I think you can draw the proper conclusions. Now if people are interested in my scumreads (and you should be), I'm thinking primarily suchdoge for starters. I have been in discussion with a few players in PMs (I won't reveal who I'm talking to with regards to specific conversations unless I believe it's absolutely necessary---they can reveal themselves if they so choose) and one player got me thinking about suchdoge's identity. I won't really bother guessing (even though we both guessed the same person) because basing a scumread solely on that (and as a result, meta) would be terrible but if other people have any guesses you may want to keep those in mind or alternatively you can PM me and I will discuss that section with you. Suchdoge: His massive entry post that said the same thing about the mayoral election that I already did earlier in thread, and then promoted marv and mig as good candidates for election despite the fact that marv (at the time) was barely playing this game (although I can't be certain about PMs) and I'm assuming Mig hasn't shown up yet (and from what I saw in PYP I'm not particularly impressed with his play). The rest of his filter (and he HAS one, unlike others) was shitting on the main and strongest mayoral prospect and talking about how he can't PM. I would be curious to know what interactions people have had with him in PM/IRC-land because I have spoken to people with conflicting reads here. It is my belief that such an entry into the thread, not offering anything particularly useful other than the offering up of mayoral candidates that can widely be accepted as 'good players' if they decide to run is nothing more than a safe and neutral play under the guise of effort, a perfect scum opener. The rest of his filter does not lead me to believe he has town's best interests in mind (despite some people currently agreeing with DrH not being the best mayoral prospect, including DrH himself) as he promoted negativity without offering something positive and realistic in return. Also now that marv HAS announced his potential candidacy I would like to see how he will react. I tend to agree with dick move analysis not being that great lately and with his qualms about suchdoge, who I don't have a strong or even slight town read on yet. Maybe I'll send him a PM and see what we can accomplish. also here On January 12 2014 21:39 WaveofShadow wrote: I really don't like the direction things have taken right now. I'm really tempted to pick up the reins here now that yamato has dropped out (and why, exactly?) because I have zero faith or trust in Rayn this game and don't want the mayor role to default onto him. Marv I'm 50/50 on you right now, so let's chat while I have the chance. At the moment the only thing stopping me from actually running is the fact that I won't be around for deadlines and a large part of today specifically, which wouldn't exactly be fair to what would be my loyal constituents, now would it? VE please take your vote off me so I'm not tempted any further. I've said it before and I'll say it again---I get burned on newbie reads a lot, unfortunately, but that doesn't mean I have to like what is going on with Derrida. I simply don't think he is scum despite the similarities between his opening post here and in his scum game and I certainly don't like that he appears to be an easy 'default' lynch for people to fall back on. Rayn announced he'd vote for him (to assist him in winning, no doubt) and now marv has done the same---it seems today's lynch has already been chosen despite all the talk that's going to go on for the next few hours, no? At that point in the game, Dr.H and yamato had both dropped out of mayor running and so he had good reason to wonder wtf was going on at that point in the game. Also I tended to agree with his Derrida analysis after I went through some more filters, because there was a lot of players in the game like chinstrap and captain obvious that had about the same content at that point but derrida was getting singled out which felt strange to me. | ||
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On January 14 2014 02:49 marvellosity wrote: That 2nd quote I really dislike. I hate the "I don't like this direction at the moment" He keeps shading rayn without backup and he's unhappy that I'm finally running for mayor? He also defended Xatalos terribly. I dunno. Why does Wave not think Derrida is mafia? What possible reason does he have to think this other than other people have called Derrida mafia? as much as it is bad, I think that is the signature that WoS is town lol. As for the last part, I think it is a pretty good reason when you have others very similar in nature to him running around but nobody gives them a second thought (we've all seen mafia lie about activity, lets not kid ourselves) | ||
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On January 14 2014 03:02 marvellosity wrote: BC and chinstrap both advertised their absence pre-game, so I don't see any direct comparisons with Derrida; basically everyone is hunching that Derrida is/was town in the ongoing game and comparing his opening post here to his opening post in the mafiagame he played which was extremely similar in intent I don't see how you see a bad list post in a mafiagame then a bad listpost in this game and come to the conclusion "i don't think Derrida is scum" You're also saying "as much as it is bad" when originally you posted it as insight from wave and you commented that it was insight, so you're kinda disagreeing yourself here which is pretty sucky. I think it is good though... I'm just trying to level with you here. Advertising your absence doesn't mean much when you have time to come in and make big posts about how inactive you are, at least for me anyway. | ||
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@rayn persona lol | ||
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On January 14 2014 03:23 raynpelikoneet wrote: That's not what we are discussing here and in my opinion the situation was entirely different in 4 Persone, where WoS intentionally did something scummy to bait out reactions. Here we are talking about the post that disagrees with things and does not offer alternatives. It does not say anything useful but spread doubt on people and includes a read that has no basis other than "because so many people think Derrida is scummy he can't be scum". And btw WoS was not a lynch target at the time he made the post. I think you are trying to misrepresent the situation here and avoiding to give an answer. how can I mispresent the situation on some one I am not trying to get lynched? That makes zero sense. I already explained everything else. | ||
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When are flips in this game anyway, me want cookies | ||
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On January 14 2014 08:06 marvellosity wrote: he's literally opted out of the game. if he does in fact actually stop playing then that's fine. I'd rather lynch captain obvious, chinstrap, BC, etc before though. | ||
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play ball | ||
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 the testing process doesn't seem to be as rigorous as it used to be...absolutely absurd role given that it is a PM game. | ||
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On January 14 2014 10:07 suchdoge wrote: but yes I agree that making a mason circle with 3 players is pretty dumb, although if we have no other blues that can probably be excused. from a quick glance at the OP i have a feeling more lulz with ensue this game. Highly doubt the setup is balanced given the roles and what we just saw flip but ill reserve judgement | ||
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On January 14 2014 10:12 Alakaslam wrote:  blazinghand | ||
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On January 14 2014 10:23 Captain Obvious wrote: From: LSB [ 4334 posts | Profile | Buddy | Report ] Subject: Re: Doc stuff Date: 1/14/14 10:16 fk sorry wasn't paying attention Original Message From Captain Obvious: Protecting suchdoge. Yeah....I'm a doc and protected suchdoge but it didn't go through. Sorry LSB but that's just too much. ok definitely restart it now | ||
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Original Message From VayneAuthority: I take it you are VT then lol. thats the vibe I get from you Hide nested quote - Original Message From Koshi: So boring. Original Message From VayneAuthority: shrug, you will see I am not scum because I will help find them. Original Message From Koshi: Normal is what's on the 6 sides of the scum dice. I am dissapoint. Original Message From VayneAuthority: nothing im just gonna play normal, the institution has changed me Original Message From Koshi: That's not what I meant. What personality did you roll this game? Original Message From VayneAuthority: im not sure what there is to buy, just doing host a favor by replacing in and not going to ruin the game and get a 20 year ban. Original Message From Koshi: I don't buy it. I think you are scum, WoS is scum & JAT is scum. Original Message From VayneAuthority: i like a to eat a the pizza and I don't want a very large ban from replacing into a game rofl Original Message From Koshi: Why so serious? <Insert joker picture> | ||
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Very hard to replace in as scum. | ||
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On January 14 2014 10:48 marvellosity wrote: i nominally replaced bum with slam when bum got modkilled you could tell slam was being manipulated from the thread, thats for sure. I really wanted to kill him asap | ||
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