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VisceraEyes
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States21170 Posts
January 11 2014 09:23 GMT
#471
On January 11 2014 18:19 yamato77 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 11 2014 18:14 raynpelikoneet wrote:
If you are discussing your reads in PM's that's anti-town. There is no reason to do that if you are town. So i assume you are not doing anything useful in PM-land.

I want you to explain why:
1) BH's policy makes him suspicious
2) Why Mocsta trolling makes him scum
3) Why marv's "non-caringness" makes him scum

If Moc does not stop trolling, we will kill him. If he's town and doing this, he knows this.

If he doesn't want to play the game, he should be obliged.

Basically this. He'll come out to play regardless of his alignment imo. If he doesn't, I'm all about killing Mocsta.
if I had to describe his playstyle, it'd be a coked up rabbit with the attention of a goldfish injecting caffeine into himself directly through an IV drip. it's like a reel of random animated shorts where things just blow up randomly
VisceraEyes
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States21170 Posts
January 11 2014 09:25 GMT
#475
On January 11 2014 18:21 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 11 2014 18:19 VisceraEyes wrote:
On January 11 2014 18:14 raynpelikoneet wrote:
If you are discussing your reads in PM's that's anti-town. There is no reason to do that if you are town. So i assume you are not doing anything useful in PM-land.

I want you to explain why:
1) BH's policy makes him suspicious
2) Why Mocsta trolling makes him scum
3) Why marv's "non-caringness" makes him scum

The bolded is patently false. There's nothing wrong with discussing reads in PMs with others. It becomes a problem if the conclusions you draw never see the thread and you act on them, but the act itself isn't anti-town in the slightest.

Rayn I really hope you're just like drunk or something. What do you expect people to do in PMs if not discuss reads?

No, there is no reason to discuss reads - especially scumreads - in PM's when you can do that in thread and make everyone see your thought process. It's anti-town, on D1. Period.

Well I disagree and clearly you feel strongly about it so whatever. I'm discussing reads with people in PMland rayn, umad?
if I had to describe his playstyle, it'd be a coked up rabbit with the attention of a goldfish injecting caffeine into himself directly through an IV drip. it's like a reel of random animated shorts where things just blow up randomly
VisceraEyes
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States21170 Posts
January 11 2014 09:30 GMT
#489
On January 11 2014 18:25 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 11 2014 18:21 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On January 11 2014 18:19 VisceraEyes wrote:
On January 11 2014 18:14 raynpelikoneet wrote:
If you are discussing your reads in PM's that's anti-town. There is no reason to do that if you are town. So i assume you are not doing anything useful in PM-land.

I want you to explain why:
1) BH's policy makes him suspicious
2) Why Mocsta trolling makes him scum
3) Why marv's "non-caringness" makes him scum

The bolded is patently false. There's nothing wrong with discussing reads in PMs with others. It becomes a problem if the conclusions you draw never see the thread and you act on them, but the act itself isn't anti-town in the slightest.

Rayn I really hope you're just like drunk or something. What do you expect people to do in PMs if not discuss reads?

No, there is no reason to discuss reads - especially scumreads - in PM's when you can do that in thread and make everyone see your thought process. It's anti-town, on D1. Period.

I think making lists of barely formed scumreads is the stupidest and least pro-town thing you can ever do and I've almost gotten into some over the line nasty fights with VE in particular about this.

Psh, almost?
if I had to describe his playstyle, it'd be a coked up rabbit with the attention of a goldfish injecting caffeine into himself directly through an IV drip. it's like a reel of random animated shorts where things just blow up randomly
VisceraEyes
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States21170 Posts
January 11 2014 09:37 GMT
#499
On January 11 2014 18:33 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Yeah you have no idea how to play in PM games. So i'll just stop.
Whatever.

##Vote: yamato77
Obviously town and will most likely listen to me and lynch mafia. DrH will fail.

If you're so confident in your ability to lynch scum, why not run yourself? Plenty of people are well aware of your skill, if I think you're on the right track finding mafia I could be convinced to vote for you if you intended to actually run. Why do you think Yamato should be mayor just because he'll lynch who you tell him to on D1?
if I had to describe his playstyle, it'd be a coked up rabbit with the attention of a goldfish injecting caffeine into himself directly through an IV drip. it's like a reel of random animated shorts where things just blow up randomly
VisceraEyes
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States21170 Posts
January 11 2014 09:42 GMT
#502
On January 11 2014 18:40 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 11 2014 18:37 VisceraEyes wrote:
On January 11 2014 18:33 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Yeah you have no idea how to play in PM games. So i'll just stop.
Whatever.

##Vote: yamato77
Obviously town and will most likely listen to me and lynch mafia. DrH will fail.

If you're so confident in your ability to lynch scum, why not run yourself? Plenty of people are well aware of your skill, if I think you're on the right track finding mafia I could be convinced to vote for you if you intended to actually run. Why do you think Yamato should be mayor just because he'll lynch who you tell him to on D1?

You won't vote for me anyways, even if i make a really good case on scum on D1 like in last game.
So i'll just convince yamato, it's easier.

Ahhh but there's the difference rayn - now I'm AWARE that I should be looking for really good cases from you D1. In the game I'm assuming you're referencing, I was convinced your D1 reads were trash for obvious reasons. Now I know you're capable D1.

But yeah, feel free to take the scummy, lazy route. That's what I'm doing. *shrug*
if I had to describe his playstyle, it'd be a coked up rabbit with the attention of a goldfish injecting caffeine into himself directly through an IV drip. it's like a reel of random animated shorts where things just blow up randomly
VisceraEyes
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States21170 Posts
January 11 2014 09:44 GMT
#506
Hopefully I have yet to and will refrain from giving you cause to do that this game.
if I had to describe his playstyle, it'd be a coked up rabbit with the attention of a goldfish injecting caffeine into himself directly through an IV drip. it's like a reel of random animated shorts where things just blow up randomly
VisceraEyes
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States21170 Posts
January 11 2014 09:46 GMT
#509
On January 11 2014 18:45 Mocsta wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 11 2014 18:44 Alakaslam wrote:
So Mocsta does not desire to defend against the accusations I can't even remember, and thinks I am playing my troll game.

Moc it is good to defend as all alignments but one must do so properly. You seem to insist on discussing your own state of being misread; well then, answer queries in a timely fashion. What need you worry about? There is no blue concern since you have already claimed vig.

You're scum because you're treating me seriously.

Everyone else is ignoring me.

I will vote mayor for anyone that will lynch slam.

I'm not ignoring you - I'm just not commenting on you publicly. There's a difference.
if I had to describe his playstyle, it'd be a coked up rabbit with the attention of a goldfish injecting caffeine into himself directly through an IV drip. it's like a reel of random animated shorts where things just blow up randomly
VisceraEyes
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States21170 Posts
January 11 2014 09:49 GMT
#512
On January 11 2014 18:48 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Like here is a good example. Mocsta nd VE are in a misunderstanding. Why? Does it help the town Mocsta thinks something is true when it's not? Why is VE being super secret on his read on Mocsta? Does it help anyone?

Yeah rayn, it helps me. With my read on Mocsta being unsure to Mocsta, he can't respond and react accordingly. I have the pleasure of seeing him in his natural state, which helps me to determine what I believe his alignment to be.
if I had to describe his playstyle, it'd be a coked up rabbit with the attention of a goldfish injecting caffeine into himself directly through an IV drip. it's like a reel of random animated shorts where things just blow up randomly
VisceraEyes
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States21170 Posts
January 11 2014 09:59 GMT
#529
On January 11 2014 18:57 kushm4sta wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 11 2014 18:52 thrawn2112 wrote:
On January 11 2014 18:51 kushm4sta wrote:
On January 11 2014 18:49 thrawn2112 wrote:
On January 11 2014 18:48 kushm4sta wrote:
page 17.. already skipping over gumshoe's posts because he's obv town. Any disagreement?


are you scum after all?


no im not. do you agree that is he obvious town?


nope. I just don't know why you'd care to bring it up.


anytime I develop a strong read i share it with the thread. I could say why for gumshoe but I don't want to go into it if everyone already agrees.

I think we should probably wait to see who he thinks is scum and why before saying for sure, but I agree that his play seems townie enough for now. Keep reading imo.
if I had to describe his playstyle, it'd be a coked up rabbit with the attention of a goldfish injecting caffeine into himself directly through an IV drip. it's like a reel of random animated shorts where things just blow up randomly
VisceraEyes
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States21170 Posts
January 11 2014 18:32 GMT
#697
I all catching up, did I miss like a dayvig or anything? Not really enough pages if I did...
if I had to describe his playstyle, it'd be a coked up rabbit with the attention of a goldfish injecting caffeine into himself directly through an IV drip. it's like a reel of random animated shorts where things just blow up randomly
VisceraEyes
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States21170 Posts
January 11 2014 20:43 GMT
#730
Rayn grasping its kinda weird...didn't Doc post a log between he and Xata? Or am I misremembering?
if I had to describe his playstyle, it'd be a coked up rabbit with the attention of a goldfish injecting caffeine into himself directly through an IV drip. it's like a reel of random animated shorts where things just blow up randomly
VisceraEyes
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States21170 Posts
January 11 2014 21:29 GMT
#748
Yeah I don't think it matters who Captain Obvious is if he's a smurf. He's not doing shit in this game and he can die if he continues to not do anything.

I've begun the filtration process. I'm at a computer presently, so if anyone has any questions for me now is the time. As far as personal communication goes, I respond to PMs and I'll probably ghost the IRC channel a little later if I'm feeling saucy. Otherwise the most reliable method is TL PMs.
if I had to describe his playstyle, it'd be a coked up rabbit with the attention of a goldfish injecting caffeine into himself directly through an IV drip. it's like a reel of random animated shorts where things just blow up randomly
VisceraEyes
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States21170 Posts
January 11 2014 21:51 GMT
#754
On January 12 2014 02:14 Koshi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 12 2014 02:12 kushm4sta wrote:
On January 12 2014 02:07 Koshi wrote:
I think rayn is town. Crazy. There will be bo repeat of Noir after Witchcraft.

koshi we already have a captain obvious. Thoughts on who to lynch?

WoS and VE are being sneaky.

Quantify this statement please Koshi.
if I had to describe his playstyle, it'd be a coked up rabbit with the attention of a goldfish injecting caffeine into himself directly through an IV drip. it's like a reel of random animated shorts where things just blow up randomly
VisceraEyes
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States21170 Posts
January 11 2014 22:06 GMT
#760
On January 12 2014 06:56 Derrida wrote:
Hey all, this is my third mafia game and first PM and first mayor game. You can find my previous games here and here. I was scum in the first one and got killed on Day1, so I’m a terrible scum player. In the second link which is an ongoing game, I am a townie.

Below is the list I’ve made while going through filters to catch-up, I wanted to share it and I will be updating it throughout the game. I am experimenting on it, but in my shadowings and coaching I received, I’ve been told that trying to visualize the connections and reads is very helpful in a mafia game. I will try it out this game. I am hoping that keeping a tab on people’s reads, votes for mayor, and activity fluctuations will make it harder for scum to go unnoticed and pressure them to keep a consistent townie persona, forcing them to slip eventually. Please let me know if I've made a mistake and/or missed any of your reads in my list.

My current mayor candidate is Dr. Helvetica, primarily because I enjoyed reading how seriously he approaches the game. I would like to play a serious game as well, hence the endorsement. I also enjoyed reading through Yamato77’s filter, he is my #2 mayor candidate. I am open to PMs and IRC discussions; though one question, why should one be careful about anonymity on IRC?

+ Show Spoiler +
Inactive players: BloodyC0bbler (1 post, no reads), chinstrap (2 posts, no reads), Bumatlarge (2 posts, no reads), Gumshoe (sub-10 posts, no reads), Captain Obvious (sub-5 posts, no reads), Mkfuba07 (2 posts, no reads), Aquanim (5 posts, no reads),

Marvellosity - 40+ posts, almost all of them 1-2 liners, states that people need to start posting more for him to start analyzing them.
Reads: Suchdoge (town), Captain Obvious (scum)
Yamato77 – 20ish posts, strives to provide reads and analysis, seems like he wants to play actively.
Reads:
Kushm4sta – 20ish posts, active.
Reads: Gumshoe (town), Thrawn (town), Alakaslam (town), Raynpelikoneet (town), justanothertownie (scum), waveofshadow (scum),
Alakaslam – 20+ posts, active.
      Reads: Dr. Helvetica (town)
VisceraEyes – 20+ posts, active.
      Reads: Dr. Helvetica (town),
Koshi – 10ish posts, somewhat inactive.
      Reads: Raynpelikoneet (town).
Dr. Helvetica – 50+ posts, active.
      Reads: Blazinghand (scum)
WaveofShadow – 10ish posts, semi-active.
      Reads: none(?)
Xatalos – 20+ posts, active.
      Reads: none(?)
Blazinghand - 20ish posts, active.
      Reads: none(?)
Just anothertownie – 20ish posts, semi-active.
      Reads: none(?)
Thrawn2112 – 20ish posts, almost all one-liners.
      Reads: none(?)
Mocsta – 50+ posts, active.
      Reads: Alakaslam (scum), Rayn (scum), kush (town), suchdoge (scum)
Suchdoge – 10ish posts, semi-active.
      Reads: none(?)
Hopeless1der – sub-10 posts, semi-active.
      Reads: none(?)


My two mayor favorites are also my top two townie reads. I do not have any scum reads based on the filters, and I don't most of the people here anyway, so I can't do much 'meta-reading'.

My filter should indicate a townread on BH too.
if I had to describe his playstyle, it'd be a coked up rabbit with the attention of a goldfish injecting caffeine into himself directly through an IV drip. it's like a reel of random animated shorts where things just blow up randomly
VisceraEyes
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States21170 Posts
January 11 2014 22:19 GMT
#762
I do. I'll share with the class in due time friend.
if I had to describe his playstyle, it'd be a coked up rabbit with the attention of a goldfish injecting caffeine into himself directly through an IV drip. it's like a reel of random animated shorts where things just blow up randomly
VisceraEyes
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States21170 Posts
January 11 2014 22:32 GMT
#764
Could you maybe show me the things you don't like and I can tell you what I was/am thinking Koshi? I asked you to quantify "VE/WoS being sneaky" and you said "VE/WoS being sneaky" in response essentially - without quoting the posts you don't like and saying why, just saying "he's said things I don't like" doesn't really tell anyone anything.
if I had to describe his playstyle, it'd be a coked up rabbit with the attention of a goldfish injecting caffeine into himself directly through an IV drip. it's like a reel of random animated shorts where things just blow up randomly
VisceraEyes
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States21170 Posts
January 11 2014 22:33 GMT
#766
I'm not running for mayor because I don't have the time to spam the thread which is pretty much how I confirm myself as town early - without being "confirmed" town, I can't win because I'm known for being slippery as scum. Me running is a waste of my time and posts.
if I had to describe his playstyle, it'd be a coked up rabbit with the attention of a goldfish injecting caffeine into himself directly through an IV drip. it's like a reel of random animated shorts where things just blow up randomly
VisceraEyes
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States21170 Posts
January 11 2014 22:36 GMT
#769
On January 12 2014 07:35 marvellosity wrote:
kushm4sta was just temp banned for 2 days by EvilTeletubby.

That account was created on 2011-07-12 23:54:33 and had 4750 posts.

Reason:
On January 11 2014 23:02 kushm4sta wrote:
worst op ever.


Worst bump ever.

Well that's fantastic. :/
if I had to describe his playstyle, it'd be a coked up rabbit with the attention of a goldfish injecting caffeine into himself directly through an IV drip. it's like a reel of random animated shorts where things just blow up randomly
VisceraEyes
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States21170 Posts
January 11 2014 22:43 GMT
#777
Well I don't know what to say - different game, different mechanics, different schedules. I've got my suspicions and I'll share them eventually. Just hang tight. YOU DON'T WANNA MISS A MINUTE!!!!
if I had to describe his playstyle, it'd be a coked up rabbit with the attention of a goldfish injecting caffeine into himself directly through an IV drip. it's like a reel of random animated shorts where things just blow up randomly
VisceraEyes
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States21170 Posts
January 11 2014 22:56 GMT
#800
On January 12 2014 07:55 Alakaslam wrote:
I will obey the wisdom of the crowds.

Town controls mayor powers.

Dost thou not have thine own opinions and thine own will?
if I had to describe his playstyle, it'd be a coked up rabbit with the attention of a goldfish injecting caffeine into himself directly through an IV drip. it's like a reel of random animated shorts where things just blow up randomly
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