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On December 10 2013 05:50 Alakaslam wrote: FOR FILTER: GAME STARTED HERE Teaches you for spamming in pregame. | ||
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On December 10 2013 06:02 Corazon wrote: I just want to let you all know that I have some English work to do in the next two days so don't expect me to be super-active.... ....If you are town and you are lurking, expect to be under the gun during the game and expect me to not be very nice to you post-game. I will be weighing activity a lot heavier in my voting decision this game than I have in the past. You all are warned. If you are going to take a sieste the entire time and not participate, I am going to be on you until you do so. That is all. I see some dissonance between your first point and your second. Why would you be so inclined towards policy on low activity players when you have just acknowledged that people can be town and not be active? Perhaps as you say you only require town to be active and you are, in fact, scum? | ||
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Perhaps instead of going after lurkers on policy you should try to lynch scum? | ||
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For the record, I always prefer lynching scum to lynching coin-flips, thus I will be hard on people who get in my way when I try to do so. | ||
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On December 10 2013 06:33 purpletrator wrote: It was a pretty lackluster statement to make. I want to know if there was any meat to the meaning behind "coin-flip", because its an empty phrase, much like things like WIFOM and scumslip. Empty buzzwords that don't actually find scum but look like you want to find them. How is stating that you would rather lynch scum than coin-flip on a lurker lynch a 'hollow statement'? I would like you to clarify because it seemed reasonably clear to me. On December 10 2013 06:40 Xatalos wrote: Hmm. Well, it's good to demand explanations for hollow statements. That, however, was quite clear in my opinion: it's better to lynch scummy players rather than lurky players (higher chance of success). Basically this. | ||
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I agree with spag that slam is basically doing nothing but shit-posting. If I was going to policy lynch someone it would certainly be him simply because he is making the game worse by being in it. Cora sounds bad and seems pretty scummy but he is doing the right thing by making a case and trying to scum hunt, even if I am not convinced by it I appreciate the effort. | ||
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Sure, he disagree's with many of xatalos' posts and states some logical incongruities, but nothing that he points out makes me think xatalos is scum, and a few things seem townie. On December 10 2013 11:46 Corazon wrote: Xalatos Case TL;DR to why Xalatos is scum: 1. Has attacked myself, Slam, Kush, purple, Artanis, and rayn. this game. If he was trying to solve the game and was changing his mind, this would be ok. However, he is just throwing baseless accusations and votes around. Generally, moving your vote around early day one is something I would associate with town. Can you provide a reason that you believe that moving your vote around is more likely to be something scum would do? On December 10 2013 11:46 Corazon wrote: 2. Using faulty logic to falsely attack me and justifies it as "aggression", then takes pains to point out that his "aggression" is his town meta. Both town and scum use faulty logic and can be aggressive. On December 10 2013 11:46 Corazon wrote: 3. Jumped on the bandwagon Plutarch started and was the first to vote for me, sensing a bandwagon forming. He hardly jumped on as bandwagon as his vote was the first. I'm not sure if you could genuinely believe that these things cause xatalos to be scum. | ||
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On December 10 2013 07:42 Artanis[Xp] wrote: I don't find Corazon scummy at this point in time because he drew attention to himself without any scum benefit. I don't understand how you can apply this reasoning toward corazon not being scum, and yet believe that Xatalos is scum despite also putting himself into the spotlight through the application of pressure and votes. You mentioned a distinction that Xatalos was not actually putting himself into the spotlight despite clearly doing so. Would you be able to clearly explain this distinction? | ||
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On December 10 2013 13:02 Corazon wrote: @Plutarch: Jumping around your vote can be a town thing if you are justifying your votes and your reads, but Xatalos is just jumping around and harping on people for nothing and with no purpose other than to look like he is scum hunting. Case in point: What is the point of this post? Does he think Rayn is scummy because he sleeps? There's no purpose to this post. It's not scum hunting. It's calling out Rayn for sleeping. How does this help us find scum? Also, there is the point that townies believe in their reads and scum don't. If Xatalos believed I was scum, wouldn't he continue to pressure me and push for my lynch? Why does he insist on attacking kush for being kush and attacking Rayn for sleeping? Do you see any purpose to these posts? Is Xatalos trying to find a lynch? In my opinion, he isn't and that's why I voted for him. I viewed those things as throwaway comments that people often make day one in order to set expectations for behavior and contribution. I think you are reading far too much into early day one pressure votes. If the game had progressed further then of course I would expect a more concerted push behind a vote but in the context of the game state as it stands I don't believe his votes have been particularly scummy. In fact I think he is more likely to be town than scum at this point. I am just trying to determine if you actually believe in the reasoning behind your xatalos push or if this is simply posturing, because at this point the case is not very strong at all. I would like to bring something up from earlier though. If you're activity was going to be fine regardless why did you feel the need to post that you were going to be inactive? And more importantly why did you not post this before roles had been sent out? | ||
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On December 10 2013 06:33 purpletrator wrote: It was a pretty lackluster statement to make. I want to know if there was any meat to the meaning behind "coin-flip", because its an empty phrase, much like things like WIFOM and scumslip. Empty buzzwords that don't actually find scum but look like you want to find them. | ||
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On December 10 2013 13:19 Corazon wrote: Please tell me where I explicitly said I was going to be "inactive" Don't be bad please. We both know what I meant by that. What is the purpose of stating one stupidly semantic sentence in response to a constructive post? ##vote: corazon I expect better from you. | ||
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On December 10 2013 13:26 Corazon wrote: Why are you twisting my words and misconstructing my sentences in a way that conveniently gives you a way to attack me? Substitute 'inactive' with 'less active' and then please focus on the things that matter instead of the things that do not. Of all the things you could have responded with that was the least useful. | ||
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On December 10 2013 13:30 bumatlarge wrote: I say we lynch someone who is threatening to be modkilled. I've had that argument before and I still stand by that it's not the same as a no lynch. That is fine if we are really stuck for someone to lynch. But as I stated earlier; I would much rather try to find scum day one than settle on a lurker lynch which is essentially a coin-flip. | ||
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On December 10 2013 13:32 Corazon wrote: You can't substitute those two words. Do you understand how active I am? I post a lot. I gave the example of my filter from basics. Inactivity= 1-2 posts a cycle Less active= 2-3 pages Your argument falls apart. It isn't an argument. I meant less active. I stated inactive. The question remains relevant and the same. If you continue on this minor tangent rather than addressing the breadth of my post I will assume you are trying to derail the conversation instead of contributing meaningfully and lynch you accordingly. | ||
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On December 10 2013 13:34 purpletrator wrote: It wasnt explicit that you equated coinflip to lurker. It was also a crock of shit in the sense that you cant know with certainty scum vs coinflip. If you want to call it policy, do that. It was pretty clear. I also believe you can know scum with such a high probability that it is almost certain, so it really isn't a crock of shit. Regardless I don't see the point in attacking that post at all. What were you trying to gain from doing so? | ||
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On December 10 2013 13:37 Corazon wrote: This is basically your argument though. You are saying that I said "inactive" when I actually said "less active". Your argument falls apart. That is not my argument. the question is 'Why mention activity at all if your activity was going to be fine and why not say something before roles were assigned.' That is the argument. You are deliberately nitpicking the choice of one word and misrepresenting the question. If you refuse to cooperate and continue to be obstructive rather than constructive you can get lynched. | ||
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On December 10 2013 13:47 purpletrator wrote: Well since you understood your own post, of course you wont see a point to attacking it. I think it was fake, I just dont know if it was fake or fake How was it fake? What was fake about it? You can't just call something fake with no explanation | ||
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On December 10 2013 14:50 Alakaslam wrote: No. Ice- Ice is not our friend. Ice is too cold. We seek warmth, indeed I seek the desert on this voyage. Please understand, my friends, I shut up when you ask. I will also try to consolidate. But I am impatient, I have energy, I want to see Rayne... I failed him, I wanna understand him. Unless he is stuck in ice... Please stop shit posting. | ||
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On December 10 2013 15:36 xigxag wrote: I wanted this in another post. A message to Holyflare and Xatalos: do not direct vig shots which you neither know exist nor know how to direct. You have both entered onto my radar for your directives and, to any vigis which may exist please do not listen to the above named posters. I have an early town read on kush and am interested in Alak but do not believe either is a good shot at this time in the game. How do you have a town read on kush? Explanation please. | ||
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1) kush is acting in such a way which reduces his thread power later in the game 2) a potential late game town player wants some power 3) if kush is town he is a potential late game town player 4) kush is not town playing for the late game 5) kush is not town playing for the early game 6) nothing kush does benefits him if he is town 7) kush is scum You noticing something here? | ||
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On December 10 2013 15:53 xigxag wrote: Or I am better than you. I have the read and you have not refuted it. Doubtful. What I am saying is that you have provided justification that kush is town and the entire reasoning that you provided can be used to justify both a town and a scum kush, thus, your justification is flawed and every reason you stated for kush to be town is in fact a null tell. | ||
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I am more than aware of the differences in a scum and town mindset and I am telling you that there is no way you can tell. Do I think he is scum? I don't know. Do I think he is town? I don't know. And neither should you. Further, I have played in many games with kush and I can tell you that he is more than capable of this style of play as both alignments. What is odd though, is that you are defending a town read that is at best a large stretch to the hilt. And time and again people who provide town reads that I cant quite understand and who aren't able to provide solid reasons for those reads are scum. This kush read is very scummy. | ||
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On December 10 2013 16:25 xigxag wrote: I think neither Corazon or Xatalos are good lynches. Which is why I mentioned neither of them. Cor's first post was atrocious, you'll have no arguments from me on that front. His follow up as been too attention grabbing for me to desire to vote him on day one. He is worth pressuring though and I need to understand him more to get a real read on him which I would be willing to commit to. Xatalos pooped on everyone in a dumb way early in the game. Alienating that many players as scum early on is unwise, he loses too much support for his lynch should he do that. It makes me uncomfortable to lynch him day one. I still need to know more of course but for now I find him non lynchable, Also there is a thing about him which suggests non-scum. I haven't decided if it suggests Sebastian the crab or town but it does suggest non-town. As of this moment I have not yet found a player I am willing to lynch. You can tell by the way my vote has not yet fallen on anyone. Basically XigXag is saying he doesn't think Xatalos or Cora are good lynches then goes on to agree that cora was scummy and list scummy things about both. But makes sure he doesn't commit to a read. Oh and he doesn't know who he wants to lynch yet. Basically the scummiest most wishy-washy post in existence. In fact the only non wishy-washy thing he has posted is an inexplicable town read on kush that he hard defends based off absolutely nothing. Which in itself is scummy. Xigxag is scum. | ||
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On December 10 2013 16:31 xigxag wrote: Can you explain to me why you shut down the case from Cor on Xatalos but did not provide a counter read. All you did was tear it down, why? I don't like bad cases. Just because I tear down a bad case doesn't require me to replace it with something. | ||
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On December 10 2013 16:37 xigxag wrote: yes, yes. Very nice. You don't like me. I get it. It's nothing personal. Just my job to find scum. And you happen to be scum. | ||
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On December 10 2013 16:40 Holyflare wrote: So you found the two players who have the most votes in the game at the moment unimportant to comment on at all? Are you just intentionally wanting to play oblivious to current events or what? You also mention in your entry post that Slam was "needed to be looked at more" and now you discredit that he could actually be scum too? Why is lynching slam not an attempt to lynch scum? Maybe because he knows alignments? | ||
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On December 10 2013 16:41 xigxag wrote: Both my role pm and I disagree with you. Talk to me about Vayne. He is advocating a policy lynch, has attempted to appear active and yet has not done anything with that activity. He is suggesting I read another thread and when I did he says that thread is invalid due to yet another thread. No. He is not advocating a policy lynch. He is saying if we don't have a good lynch we should lynch alakaslam cause he is posting like shit. And I agree with him. | ||
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On December 10 2013 17:11 raynpelikoneet wrote: Why are you suggesting you are not even reading the guy's posts you are voting for? Show me where he says he is new or a smurf. I just read his filter like 3 times. | ||
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On December 10 2013 17:12 xigxag wrote: Your play, you are niggling over and over on a thing that doesn't feel right to you. You are self confident in a non-scum way "lol look at him squirm" since inciting a big fight with a townie is counter productive to scum agenda and I am a big fan of your answer when I asked you why you didn't build up a case you didn't flounder you simply stated that you didn't know what was right, only what was wrong. It suggested someone who was objectively reading cases and, if they had an issue with that case, making the issue known. All in all it seems likely that you are town. If you are scum you are one of the top scum players I've ever seen. So I'm going to assume that ockham had it right and you are town. I don't understand. How can you justify this read so well and then do the complete opposite for the kush read. For the record. This is a good read. That kush read was awful. But this post seems awfully townie so I think I will unvote for now. ##unvote If you could let me know if you are a smurf or not that would be helpful. | ||
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On December 10 2013 17:28 xigxag wrote: Whether or not you agree with me the kush read is as well thought out and supported by the facts * Rayn the Pelican: what is it about Purple's particular lack of contribution that makes him a better lynch than say the pasta duo of beefaroni and spaghetti *unless Kush flips mafia in which case I was totes trolling with that read because I am always right. Even when I'm not. This is wrong. Absolutely and complete. Now you seem scummy again. | ||
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On December 10 2013 17:44 raynpelikoneet wrote: Actually yeah, you are right. Why did you call him out for his kush read? Didn't it seem to you he actually did believe in his logic behind the read? What does he gain from giving kush a town read as if we assume kush is either alignment? Because it was awful. There was no logic behind the read to believe in at all and his justification was some ambiguous reference to the 'facts of the game'. There is a reason to give town reads to townies as scum and that is because it gives you something to talk about that you know to be true. That is much easier than trying to fake a read on someone that you know to be false. Often newer scum players will give town reads to people easily with little reason in order to contribute or appear to be contributing. Whereas townies whom are naturally suspicious will not give town reads unless they have very good reasons. That is why it is important to both pressure people's town reads for justification and then assess whether the read is justifiable or not. If it is not justifiable and the player cannot justify it well at all then it is likely that player is far more likely to be scum. If they can give very good reasons for their town read that person is less likely to be scum. Xigxag's atrocious town read on Kush seems scummy to me. And the wishy-washiness of his posts around Xatalos and Cora and his attack on Vayne are scummy too. His only redeeming post in the entire game is his justification of his read on me and I'm not sure if that is enough. | ||
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On December 10 2013 18:06 raynpelikoneet wrote: Plutarch you should be good enough to know people use bad logic all the time in mafia games. That does not mean it's not logic. I find xigxag's logic behind his kush read bad but it also reads to me that he actually believes in that logic based on his arguments around the issue. Again do you think he is using shitty logic on purpose and when half of the thread calls him out for it he stubbornly stands by his words instead of concluding he might be wrong and that might not in fact make kush town? Didn't I just say that? He used bad logic to form a town read to talk about. He can't back down from it after that then he had something to talk about and it seems he is contributing. I am aware that townies can use bad logic. That is not the issue though. The issue is that he formed a town read when no reasonable townie would. Of course his logical justification would be bad. He knew Kush was town and called him town without reason, when he had no reason. | ||
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On December 10 2013 18:07 raynpelikoneet wrote: Especially if he is new why would he take the "hard way" when there is the easy way to just say "i might be wrong and you might be right"? Well that is part of it clearly. Which is why I was asking if he was smurfing or not. Notice I have unvoted. I think he very well could be scum, but he could also just be new. | ||
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I looked through his profile though and he is not a smurf. He joined in Aprill, posted in commandments thread and /in and /out of PYP and replaced in Nuclear winter before getting nuked before posting. He might be from OMGUS.net or maybe he is a lurker. | ||
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On December 10 2013 18:20 raynpelikoneet wrote: Is there any reason either of you guys are not commenting on my case on purple as we seem to not reach into any conclusion about xigxag's alignment atm? He is scummy. He hasn't answered my questions to him. I want him to respond before I do though. | ||
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On December 10 2013 18:25 kushm4sta wrote: real quick who should i place holder vote? dont have time to do much d1. Alakaslam | ||
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On December 10 2013 13:00 Plutarch wrote: I feel as though artanis has applied a double standard towards what constitutes being in the spotlight and how this causes someone to be town or scum. I don't understand how you can apply this reasoning toward corazon not being scum, and yet believe that Xatalos is scum despite also putting himself into the spotlight through the application of pressure and votes. You mentioned a distinction that Xatalos was not actually putting himself into the spotlight despite clearly doing so. Would you be able to clearly explain this distinction? Relevant. | ||
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On December 10 2013 18:39 raynpelikoneet wrote: Yeah but i don't think either of Xata/Cora is scummy atm. Cora is scummy. If you notice my interactions with him he downright refuses to answer a simple question and instead tries to derail things by arguing over my wording. Then when I clarify beyond all idiocy he leaves. Also his Xatalos case was awful. But that is not alignment indicative. | ||
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On December 10 2013 18:59 raynpelikoneet wrote: Plutarch i don't like this: That is, as Cora says, clearly twisting his words. I disagree. It didn't make sense that someone could state they aren't going to be super active (as town presumably) and then lynch based on an activity metric. Regardless that was my first post which are always slight stretches. I find the part where Cora refuses outright to answer my question and instead forcefully derails the discussion to be much more interesting. | ||
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On December 10 2013 19:33 Artanis[Xp] wrote: It's simple. Cora's post could not achieve any scum agenda. I don't see scum reasoning behind his posts more so than a town player would, whereas Xalatos' posts can definitely serve a scum agenda, and I feel they have though I liked his followups since then. I like LSB's points on Sidesprang and Rayn's points on purple. Rayn's more so than LSB but I'd need to do a rereading and I'm lazy. Don't just say that Xatalos' post could serve a mafia agenda and Cora's couldn't. Provide some evidence or reasoning. | ||
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On December 10 2013 19:45 Alakaslam wrote: I feel kind of indignant. I thought my posts had almost too obvious meaning. I mean really... Anyway, how I gather a read. The way I gather reads needed(eeds) to change. Past methods weren't working, I am too stoic and bland and always wrong. I gotta shake things up or start co-hosting, and if I can't understand playing the game I won't be any good at balance. Xigxag, I wish I was quoting literature so that I could respond appropriately but I am wholly oblivious. If my light in a glass looks like Edison's work, let me assure you I am French. I am winging practically everything I say to maintain relevancy to this game. I don't care. Please do something useful and post simply and in a straightforward manner. | ||
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On December 10 2013 19:45 Artanis[Xp] wrote: If he's not pushing any agenda then there is nothing in his posts that prove he's scum or not. The point is to prove someone is scum, not prove that they're bad. Xatalos would be pushing for a scum agenda by causing chaos, creating multiple targets or securing a mislynch. Corazon only mentioned he could be inactive later, and he's played enough games to know how these posts are frowned upon. You don't think Mafia's primary agenda is to survive? Creating an excuse at the start of the game after roles are sent out which explains away the common drop in activity that many experience when playing scums fit's that agenda perfectly. | ||
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On December 10 2013 19:50 Artanis[Xp] wrote: I didn't think scum would be that blatant about it given that first posts like these often result in pressure. I just realized that there's no town reason for it either if they know that. I feel pretty silly now. Read the interaction between myself and Cora and tell me what you think of Cora attempting to derail and then leaving the discussion. | ||
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On December 10 2013 20:07 raynpelikoneet wrote: Plutarch after doing some research you need to elaborate on this: In which game(s) do you base your observations you are talking about here? I can't tell you that as It would probably reveal my identity. | ||
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On December 10 2013 20:08 kushm4sta wrote: townlist xatalos - talking a lot early game for no reason at all! Ive seen him play scum and he didn't post that much. Has this been changed by recent meta? holyflare- scum kill this dude d1 yup i haven't read everything yet ~~ can i get some consolidation please? cause i dont want to read all this complicated shit everyone is writing. ok standby for next post which will contain important shit Kush said it too though. Perhaps that helps. | ||
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On December 10 2013 20:14 kushm4sta wrote: smurfread on plutarch He is definitely not marv. from pregame: marv's taste in music is not this dumb. And if it was he wouldn't advertise it. Marv would never write a sentence as useless as this last one. Plutarch is some newish player tryharding. Could be koshi. I was actually pretending to be blazinghand by posting that. | ||
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On December 10 2013 20:20 kushm4sta wrote: @rayn i dont remember what game dessert was. I actually better remember xatalos' meta from a game i played with him several months ago when I first started playing mafia. He posted as little as possible without looking like a lurker. If his meta has changed as you suggest, that I take back my townread of him. I was talking about this very game! That I didn't play in. | ||
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On December 10 2013 20:48 raynpelikoneet wrote: [/i]Interesting. In case you are not lying about the game you are talking about how do you explain your use of words [u]in my experience when it cannot possibly be "in your experience"? I read the whole game several times as it was happening. Seems like experience to me. | ||
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I didn't look at other games at all. I just said something that I remembered about xatalos as scum. I didn't realize the game was 18 months old when I said it. So you should disregard that statement obviously. | ||
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On December 10 2013 20:53 kushm4sta wrote: either debears or obzy then. if it's debears then<3 i love you debears. Wrong FYI. | ||
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On December 10 2013 21:05 Holyflare wrote: Oh! it's VE. That was boring :S last time I will do this but wrong. | ||
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On December 10 2013 21:08 raynpelikoneet wrote: I am more interested why a skilled player like Plutarch makes a half-arsed meta read on him. That's quite inexcusible, given that i think the nature of the posts is in fact quite similar. In both of the games Xatalos calls kushmasta anti-town but not necessarily scum. He calls people out and then says "but while this could be scummy it also could be not". He does not reach into any conclusions while prodding left and right. This early on in the game i would agree it does not necessarily make him scum - as i said, but what bothers me is how certain people defend him based on false/bad evidence. It isn't false or bad evidence. I just had an idea in my mind about how Xatalos played scum and obviously that is outdated. I didn't submit that comment as solid proof. I said 'from what I can remember'. When someone states something with a precursor such as that take it with a grain of salt. You did. And I am grateful for it as my understanding of his meta has now improved. | ||
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Pretty sure that is what everyone has been talking about. | ||
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On December 10 2013 21:18 Grackaroni wrote: Yeah that was to HF. Who would say that after obsing Dessert Mini. Way more likely you were a player and lied then that you obsed a game from over a year ago and feel you have a good grasp of Xatalos' scum play. To be honest games tend to blend together and unless you make a real effort to refresh your memory (i didn't) you make mistakes. I made a mistake. The simple truth is that I just didn't realize it had been that long. | ||
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On December 10 2013 21:23 kushm4sta wrote: LAST ONE! plutarch are you thrawn? the mystery of your identity is clearly distracting and antitown . I thought you liked being right? Never thought I would see the day you were wrong this many times in a single cycle. | ||
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On December 10 2013 21:27 Spaghetticus wrote: I haven't got traction yet. In that game VE was so clearly not town it physically hurt me to see him elected. I'm still in a bit of a fugue tbh. This isn't why I've scaled back, but it also doesn't help my motives that I was NKed early that game. I've got plenty of time though, so I don't think my weak start will be an issue. This seems like nonsense to me. Many things have happened in this game on which you can comment. I don't care what happened in your previous game. Time to step up and do something. | ||
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On December 10 2013 21:29 Grackaroni wrote: you never shut my guess down... If I played in dessert why would I be using an older game as meta? You guys.... | ||
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On December 10 2013 21:33 Spaghetticus wrote: I was specifically asked the difference between this game and last. No need to go out of your way to be dismissive. You were asked the difference between this game and last. Not why your last game is causing you to be useless this game. | ||
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On December 10 2013 21:41 Grackaroni wrote: Because they all blend together in your mind! There really aren't many people out there who pretend to be Blazinghand lol. Blazing hand posts that clip a lot I thought it would be an obvious joke. | ||
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On December 10 2013 21:46 Spaghetticus wrote: + Show Spoiler + On December 10 2013 21:37 Holyflare wrote: As for spag: Lack of sleep evolved into fugue. Spag I killed you last game because we were blue sniping, the reason was that you were posting in a townie style but NOT ENOUGH content to appear too towny. If you want to change your game, now is the time to do it but don't scale back you need to go balls to the wall town play. Weak starts are always always always an issue. We don't know your alignment and your start suggests that you aren't doing anything to persuade us in the positive direction in general. All I've seen is your posts on Slam and that's pretty much it. You told us you didn't like our posts trying to find out whose smurfing, yet, you provided no alternate direction for us to garner our attention. Why was that? You say you have plenty of time but why is that? You have no content and you could be a real contender for a lynch. I was pretty town bro. But it's a non-issue, I stated that wasn't the real reason I'm performing less well. I've been looking, but nothing has come up strongly. You pressuring me won't change that. I didn't need to provide an alternate direction, there are already several trains of thought running. I wanted to shut this one down quickly so I did. I say I have plenty of time? Yes, yes I do. I don't understand the question. Well you are a reasonable lynch candidate so I wouldn't get too comfortable if you continue to do nothing. But this is pointless really. Either spag starts doing things or we start thinking about lynching him. | ||
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On December 10 2013 21:50 Holyflare wrote: The point is there are several trains of thought currently going but you are pretty much participating in none of them, yet, you expect that it will be fine for us to wait for you to step it up and demonstrate that you are actually town rather than a person whose only contribution so far is to hate on Slam's posts. To be fair slam's posts are terrible. Though it would be pretty simple for scum to just shut down the easy targets. That is why I am worried a bit. he has gone after Slam who is shit posting and Xigxag who is new. Those are pretty easy targets. | ||
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On December 10 2013 21:56 Spaghetticus wrote: Wait is XigXag new? I thought he was a smurf? No. Pretty sure he is new. | ||
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On December 10 2013 21:59 Holyflare wrote: I'm not seeing any crazy omgyouarescumrightnownothingcanchangemymind mentality, so it's always a possibility. Rayn.. why are you so agreeable in this game?? This. Also he isn't spamming or getting drunk. Like clearly nothing he has posted is scummy at all and he is contributing and all that. That is why it is paranoia. It is unjustified fear of rayn being scum right now., | ||
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On December 10 2013 22:08 raynpelikoneet wrote: Should i be worried when people call me scum because i have not done anything scummy? You played like this in persona 4. that is what I am worried about I guess. | ||
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On December 10 2013 22:16 raynpelikoneet wrote: Afaik i was town in that game and not really, no, i did not play like this. Wrong game. Trying to find it now. | ||
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This game is the reason I am paranoid about rayn. He played a top notch scum game and only died cause of the weirdest successful vig shot I have ever seen. | ||
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On December 10 2013 22:21 raynpelikoneet wrote: Well if you think i am playing like in that game you have no worries as i will still lynch scum on D1. lol | ||
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On December 10 2013 22:36 raynpelikoneet wrote: What do you think about this sheep train of distrust rayn? We aren't going to lynch you. You are too big of an asset as town to even think about lynching you for at least 2 days. So i'm not worried. If people try and lynch you I will talk sense into them. Your cases make sense. I wouldn't be worried if I was you. As to the sheeping. Townies sheep at least as often as scum. | ||
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On December 11 2013 09:03 LSB wrote: Thanks, it helps a lot I believe he is trying to use the Chezinu rule on Spaghetticus, however I disagree in the application of the Chezinu rule in this case. I am willing to spend a day one lynch on him What the fuck? What are you talking about? I'm not sure you guys know what the chezinu rule is. | ||
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##vote: Alakaslam If we don't policy lynch him day one we never will. Even if he isn't scum I am confident in our ability to catch them regardless. Catching scum will only be easier with his guy dead. For Justice! | ||
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On December 11 2013 03:06 bumatlarge wrote: I'm looking into Plutarch right now. I've convinced myself that he's someone worth analyzing. So this was posted hours ago. Never mentions me again. | ||
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On December 11 2013 12:50 Holyflare wrote: I know what he's saying, he wants me to consolidate with him. Slam if you want to do that and not die in this cycle you need to convince more than just me to do it. You need to give reasoning for your read and elaborate more so that people can understand and discuss it. If that is the case he should just say that. He is making the game more tedious to read. He is not a town asset. His only redeeming quality is that he may be town. If that is the case I'd risk it to just remove him from the game. | ||
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On December 11 2013 13:24 Pandain wrote: So you actually have scum reads and decide to ignore them for a policy lynch Nice holy This is a scummy post. Why single out holy? and not Grack and I? Why try and paint a policy lynch as anything more than it is? This post is off. | ||
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On December 11 2013 13:36 Pandain wrote: This is super fake reasoning to me. If we're that confused, slam can explain. And he's not that unintelligible I disagree. And he won't stop and just post like a human being. Even when asked repeatedly. | ||
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On December 11 2013 15:19 bumatlarge wrote: I don't man, mafia don't single out people to send little messages. I've got this special power rangers post, and I think he was trying to tell me something. You said you were going to look at me. What resulted from that? | ||
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You read my entire filter and your conclusion was nothing? That doesn't make sense. | ||
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On December 11 2013 19:46 Xatalos wrote: Alakaslam would be a better Vigi shot, since (almost) everyone seems to agree that he's detrimental. The voting patterns wouldn't really tell that much of anyone's alignment, at least compared to players who have reasons not to be lynched (besides a statistical chance of flipping town). It's better to lynch players who have a higher chance of flipping scum and whose flip will give good insights into the voters. One mistake we made in GoT Mafia was to focus too much on lurkers/anti-town players, and it ended badly. I like this post. Bum's main reason for voting Pandain was because he hadn't posted yet. Now Pandain has posted quite a bit, but bum just keeps going for him regardless of that. It doesn't really look like bum tries to figure out Pandain's alignment, he just chose a target and keeps going for it. That's not a town mindset. I want to hear from bum why Pandain is still a "good lynch" ASAP. While It is true that you can lose by policy lynching people, at this point Alakaslam is bothering me so much that I am willing to risk losing to ensure that he is not in this game past day one. Ideally he would be a vig shot, but we all know that people enjoy making odd vig choices. And I am afraid of a scenario where we lynch into cora or spag for example, hit town, then the vig shoots weirdly and we are left with slam and purple to lylo. I agree with that Grack post also. Bum parking his vote on pandain after pandain began to contribute feels really weird. I also found it strange that Bum could state he was analyzing my filter due to me being 'interesting' and then find absolutely nothing to talk about. How can you read 6 pages of filter and arrive at zero conclusions? | ||
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On December 11 2013 20:07 raynpelikoneet wrote: Slam starts contributing in English or we lynch him. purple starts contributing or we lynch him. In case both of those do not happen one gets lynched other one vigged. In case both of those happen we lynch the scummiest dude. I agree with this. | ||
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On December 11 2013 20:48 Xatalos wrote: By the way, I see Spaghetticus mentioned as a lynch candidate every once in a while. I don't really agree. Just look at these posts: They all just read to me as town. It's not impossible for this attitude to be a ploy, but the far more likely scenario is that Spag is just not afraid of suspicions at all. Which means town. I also agree with this: The only worrying part is that there isn't much scumhunting in his filter. The previous post is probably the post closest to scumhunting, although it didn't come to any conclusion. Alakaslam isn't a terrible lynch, but it's definitely the easiest way out of D1. And it's a bit worrying that Spag's only committal to a lynch is someone like him. Spag, if you're town, you need to step up your scumhunting. You mentioned that you had several slight scumreads, but you haven't shared any of them yet (except Corazon, I'd assume). Otherwise you're looking townish, but that's a worrying part about you. To be honest, this kind of thing is pretty easy to fake as scum and doesn't really make me lean town on spag. I'm actually leaning scum on spag at the moment because he is active but not contributing anything to scum hunting. He is barely providing reads at all and doesn't seem to be that invested in the lynch. (parked his vote on slam early day one and left it there.) So yeah spag scummy to me. If you post but do zero scum hunting then you are scummy in my eyes. | ||
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On December 11 2013 20:45 kushm4sta wrote: tbh im getting sick of your bitching more than im sick of shitposters Not helpful kush. | ||
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On December 11 2013 20:57 raynpelikoneet wrote: Xatalos: Corazon is highly emotional player who contradicts himself as town, a lot. To me it seems like he's just pissed off for accusations against him because he finds them unreasonable. Stupid? Yes. Scummy? Not necessarily. He's far more reasonable and tries to control his emotions as scum. I don't see anything scummy in what he has said this game, mor likely it's just frustration. What you just quoted from Spaghetticus is attacking Cora for being emo. That's not scumhunting, that's an easy way to attack someone who says dumb stuff. The fact is Spag was here last night, he said he will catch up and share his thoughts. He ended up not catching up and and instead made 60 fluff posts about something irrelevant (defended himself against people who just wanted him to share his opinions). I find that highly suspicious. I agree with this post. | ||
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Spag, Cora, Bum, Purple, Slam People I think are town are Rayn, Holyflare. | ||
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On December 11 2013 22:10 raynpelikoneet wrote: Plutarch what do you think of this? sidesprang finds Xatalos' thoughts really good and has a town read on him. Xatalos mainly talks about Artanis yet sidesprang does not mention Artanis at all in his post. Shouldn't he have a scumread on him? Not really. I have a town read on both you and Holyflare and don't agree with all of your scum reads necessarily. I could see a situation in which Sidesprang believes Xatalos is town and posting well and also think Artanis is town. | ||
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On December 11 2013 22:13 Xatalos wrote: Hmm. Maybe I've focused too much on Spag's "towntells". It's certainly easier to fake stuff like that than scumhunting, and there isn't really scumhunting by Spag despite a large filter. Plutarch, you agree with rayn that Cora's anger seems genuine? I don't really think so. He's just focused on countering those who have accused him and not much else. That is the key point to reading Spag. You can post a lot and comment a lot, but if you do and still have zero evidence of scum hunting then you are very likely to be scum. In fact I really want to lynch spag for not scumhunting whilst being reasonably active. Which is why people like slam piss me off so badly. The fact that we are considering lynching someone because he is awful to play with over someone who is likely to flip scum is incredibly frustrating. No I don't agree that Cora's anger feels genuine. I think Cora could easily fake it as scum. | ||
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On December 11 2013 23:30 Spaghetticus wrote: See: encouraging people to think about things that are not conducive to finding town See: Filling a filter full of fluff Are you panicking? Why are you suddenly so weak? I'm not panicking. I'm just incredulous at how bad your case is. If you are town, don't let confirmation bias start making you see things that aren't there. If you are scum. Carry on. | ||
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But the case is also awful and doesn't ring true to me, after so much time and after apparently being on his second read through of the thread I would expect something more than that. What do you think rayn? Is spag more or less likely to be scum after reading that case? | ||
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On December 11 2013 23:19 Spaghetticus wrote: I respect your ability as I said Pluto. The town read was bad, you would know this as either alignment. I'm also only FOSing you. I know that this is not strong enough to get either of you lynched, and I'm not confident enough either way to actually want you lynched. My purpose behind this post was to demonstrate that I've been thinking as a town. You're acting crazy defensive tho. Generally the purpose of scum hunting is to lynch and find scum But in this post spag clearly states his motivation for scumhunting as survival. The first part Spag backtrack's from his read. Note that in order for his association case to be meaningful at all he must believe that both Kush and I are both scum or his case falls apart. Yet he is calling kush scum but only 'FoS'ing' me. (As an aside I hate the term FOS and believe it should never be used.) He says that his case is not strong enough to get us lynch nor that he actually wants us lynched. Discrediting your own cases immediately is something I associate with scum. Town wants people to follow their reads scum wants to appear active but actually achieve nothing. In that case why make the case at all? Well that is answered in the last part of the post. On December 11 2013 23:19 Spaghetticus wrote: My purpose behind this post was to demonstrate that I've been thinking as a town. His 'case' was purely an exercise in 'appearing to be town'. The motive behind it is self preservation rather than finding scum. I understand that the preservation instinct appears within a town mindset also. But I felt that this post immediately following the case, which was much less crafted than it, reveals a scummy mindset. | ||
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On December 11 2013 23:42 raynpelikoneet wrote: Just look at the post he made in LXIII half past D1 where he shared his thoughts. Seriously, his behavior in this game and there is like comparing a day and a night.. This is a good point actually. I read through that game and spag appeared to be clearly town. This game he is scummy as shit. | ||
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On December 11 2013 23:48 Spaghetticus wrote: Hmm... this is frustrating. Up until recently I had you green. I still think you probably green though I'm beginning to doubt myself. This attack is... too specific. I'm not the scummiest person here, your vote seems motivated by something other than lynching the scummiest player. OMGUS? Yes I have a tendency to attack people that attack me. Where better to start? To dismiss my points as OMGUS though... I haven't been illogical, and I've attacked people for legitimate reasons. I find it incredible that you are casting suspicion on two of the most clearly town people in the game. | ||
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On December 11 2013 23:51 bumatlarge wrote: What about vayneauthority, I don't have a read there Holw about you comment on the currently relevant goings on in the thread. Spag has posted a case. There have been opinions shared on it. | ||
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##vote: Spag I think spag has a very good chance of flipping scum. Please vig Slam. | ||
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On December 11 2013 23:58 kushm4sta wrote: that case was too fucked up for speghetti to be scum I think That is a good point actually. But his meta. Look at how differently he has played in this game to his last. Add that to not scum hunting and posting cases purely for survival. Eh I'm not sure. | ||
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On December 12 2013 00:03 JarJarDrinks wrote: Wait, so you agree that they're "two of the most clearly town people in the game"? lol | ||
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On December 12 2013 00:04 Spaghetticus wrote: That game (and note that I've already stated this and you didn't like that I did) I had a very strong read. Out of my five previous games I'm pretty sure last one is the only one in which I caught scumsign that early. Thinking that one datapoint a trend makes is particularly wrong in this case. I'm usually under fire for being active but not having strong reads. If you are who I think you are Plutarch, you know this (meant for Plutarch only, if it's inapplicable, ignore). This is actually bullshit. I just went and look through your previous two town games and the quality of your posts and scum hunting were much better than in this game. [g]Town[/g] LXIII: This post was very solid and made at the start of day one. [g]Town[/g] NMM XXXIV: This post and This where both very solid and made early day one. In this game you have done nothing but appear active. | ||
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On December 12 2013 00:29 Spaghetticus wrote: I'm now working on refuting that case btw. It'll take awhile because it's gonna require a lot of tabs and it is by far the weightiest attack on me so far. The rest will have to wait. Don't bother. The only thing that will save you is being proactive and productive in scum hunting. | ||
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I was hoping some of those who had not commented yet on spag would step up in my absence, but that hasn't really happened. I still think Spag is going to flip scum. And I am surprised that rayn unvoted to be honest. When someone does nothing and does not even try to look for scum despite being active that person is likely to be scum. Even though spag says he always starts slow his previous two town games provide direct counter examples to this. Then when up against it for the lynch he does not provide reads aside from calling kush town. I don't know about you guys but if I was getting lynched as town then I would be desperate to provide as much information to the thread as possible to work off after I flip. Did this happen? no. He in fact provided zero info to the thread and then left as soon as thread sentiment changed. Spag is Scum. Please lynch spag. | ||
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On December 12 2013 12:24 Corazon wrote: It doesn't matter. I'm vig and I'm shooting you. This is dumb as shit. | ||
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The key is took look at which reasoning and voting appears to be genuine and which appears to be faked. I'll write a big post and post it before the night ends. I'll also be around on and off for the next 10- hours or so if anyone want's to chat. | ||
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On December 12 2013 12:37 bumatlarge wrote: I do! Do you really stand by this? Would you consider association cases and interactions to be that different? Yes. Association cases before flips are just dumb. I consider analyzing interactions to be an important part of scum hunting, but if a case only works if both of the associations are scum and neither have flipped the case is worthless until one of them flips. | ||
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A little. He seemed to bandwagon easily and without much justification at the end of the day. | ||
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On December 12 2013 13:02 VayneAuthority wrote: Do you know of his meta btw? He likes to tunnel people as scum. I have confirmation bias so look at it objectively and see if you find him tunneling me then not giving a shit about the lynch once it's clear that me or spag is lynched. He doesn't try to argue that I should be lynched at all after a certain point, just let's it happen. He also afk's as scum as you should well know by being scum with him in Les Mafia. | ||
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On December 12 2013 13:11 VayneAuthority wrote: true he has been pretty active, probably town. I don't know if he is town or scum at the moment. Need to filter dive him. | ||
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On December 12 2013 13:20 bumatlarge wrote: Fun fact: Filters did not exist when I first started! Wow you must have been playing for a long time. | ||
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On December 12 2013 13:35 JarJarDrinks wrote: OMG Reaching?? Vanye says that he would never ever kill alaskaslam if he was scum and then says if he was scum he'd kill alaskaslam. I don't think I could come up with more contradictory statements if I tried. Do you believe only scum contradict themselves? | ||
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On December 12 2013 15:18 Coagulation wrote: ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/l9chR3K.png) That is awesome. | ||
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I actually didn't mind purples reasoning for jumping on board and I liked the pickup with cora and his 'notes' Things I didn't like about spag wagon. Stupid vote on leading townie wagon. On December 12 2013 05:15 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Don't have much time now but I see support for a Spaghetti lynch and I'm happy to join in on that. Bandwagon powers activate! ##Unvote ##Vote Spaghetticus This post is really scummy in my opinion. On December 12 2013 05:40 LSB wrote: Spaghetticus filter is just one giant mess of him trying to stir up activity, to me he is trying to show himself as being more active than he actually is. Unfortunately between Spag and VA I am not confident about someone being scum, but Spag's filter suggests to me that he is more likely than not mafia ##Unvote ##Vote: Spaghetticus This reads to me as if LSB is trying to avoid any responsibility for a mislynch whilst still joining the wagon. He says he is not confident about spag being scum and yet also says spag is more likely to be scum than town. Generally a scummy post to make when hopping on a town wagon at the end. On December 12 2013 05:45 Corazon wrote: Yeah I might as well hammer Spag. Maybe I can have some breathing room with him gone. ##unvote ##Vote: Spaghetticus In the above post it really feels like cora is invested in the outcome of the lynch doesn't it? Wait. No. It seems he just wants less pressure on himself. | ||
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On December 12 2013 22:03 Holyflare wrote: by the way I just want to point out that the game started at page 9 and so cora has based all of his play on 8 pages of information I think Holy was really on to something with his pressure of Cora. The 'notes' he posted were poor, easily faked, and contained nothing that he said they contained. He had ernough time between promising the notes and delivery that he could have just typed them up from scratch. | ||
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On December 13 2013 00:05 Holyflare wrote: It is not a logical town thought process to return to a thread after seeing everything that has been written, comment on none of it BUT the fact that you are being picked on again. If you are town you are playing god awfully with your alotted time. You have "notes" that are pretty much summaries of every post in those 8 pages you read, that is easy to fake, not to mention they are coloured. It's very easy to ctrl+c, ctrl+v notes after all so why the editing? You based your entire gameplay on 8 pages, have not developed reads over that time and "consolidated" onto spag. I mention many people in my gameplay, not just you but you neglect to see that. This is a very good post. Everyone should read this. | ||
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On December 13 2013 00:40 Holyflare wrote: For the rest of you this is pretty conclusive evidence now: If corazon was town then bull shit/confirmation biased cases from people would be sign that they were making things up and would therefore be scum, that way they need to be pressured. If corazon is scum then points made against him are correct, he calls them bull shit and tries to convince the people that they are confirmation biased and wrong because he knows they are town and not scum. This mentality is easy to spot and it is why he is scum, easy day 2 lynch for scum kill. Let's discuss day 3 please. | ||
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On December 13 2013 06:00 Corazon wrote: God Holyflare you are really bad at this game. No. You. | ||
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On December 13 2013 13:00 VayneAuthority wrote: plutarch cannot be marv actually, timezone is way off. it's some one else :D | ||
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On December 13 2013 13:22 Corazon wrote: How was HF obviously the medic? And yeah, i didn't realize timezones. Only Marv has tunneled me this badly. He was obviously town. And the medic. | ||
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On December 13 2013 13:53 JarJarDrinks wrote: Going to bed now. I'll reread him tomorrow but I don't think I've found him scummy at all so far though. I do like his scumreads (which I believe are purple and sidesprung) Ur thoughts on Vayne? not sure yet. | ||
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On December 10 2013 07:36 LSB wrote: In my opinion natural scum play is to stay low, especially on day 1, the town tends to self destruct anyways day 1. This whole entire "starting shit" strat is actually pretty good, even though it is counterintuitive to the idea of trying to not draw attention. Thus I assumed this strat is not very obvious, especially since I personally never considered it. The second interesting thing in his filter is the way he states in his first case how we need to worry about scum bandwagoning onto lynches. On December 10 2013 13:35 LSB wrote: What is important to keep an eye out are the bandwagoners. The logic behind this is that very few townies would be willing to push a bad lynch, but a mafia would be willing to push many lynches on greenies regarless of the contents of the lynches. I am seriously concerned about his willingness to support lynches without contributing much personal insights. Which is kind of funny considering his terrible voting history. On December 10 2013 06:43 LSB wrote: ##Vote: purpletrator Scum are mafia pretending to be someone else. Smurfs are players pretending to be someone else. Smurfs = Mafia. Flawless mafia. Lynch all Smurfs On December 10 2013 09:00 LSB wrote: ##Unvote ##Vote: kushm4sta On December 11 2013 00:32 LSB wrote: I'm glad to see someone feels that Purpletrator is being overly defensive Rather than being nonsensical I saw it as being paranoid and believing there was a serious case on him and a need to defend himself. He handled that far too poorly, I chalked it up as bad play at the time, but this paranoia does bother me. ##unvote ##Vote Purpletrator On December 11 2013 12:04 LSB wrote: LETS GET THIS WAGON GOING GAIS ##unvote ##Vote: Sidesprang On December 12 2013 05:40 LSB wrote: Spaghetticus filter is just one giant mess of him trying to stir up activity, to me he is trying to show himself as being more active than he actually is. Unfortunately between Spag and VA I am not confident about someone being scum, but Spag's filter suggests to me that he is more likely than not mafia ##Unvote ##Vote: Spaghetticus On December 13 2013 06:21 LSB wrote: Oh I see Well that solves the Corazon issue. ##Vote: Sidesprang Calls out bad bandwagon votes for being scummy, proceeds to make bandwagon votes all game. | ||
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On December 13 2013 20:16 kushm4sta wrote: the obvious people corazon artanis that other scummy guy Not good enough. Also corazon is the retarded vig. Which you would know if you read the thread at all. | ||
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On December 10 2013 07:36 LSB wrote: In my opinion natural scum play is to stay low, especially on day 1, the town tends to self destruct anyways day 1. This whole entire "starting shit" strat is actually pretty good, even though it is counterintuitive to the idea of trying to not draw attention. Thus I assumed this strat is not very obvious, especially since I personally never considered it. The second interesting thing in his filter is the way he states in his first case how we need to worry about scum bandwagoning onto lynches. On December 10 2013 13:35 LSB wrote: What is important to keep an eye out are the bandwagoners. The logic behind this is that very few townies would be willing to push a bad lynch, but a mafia would be willing to push many lynches on greenies regarless of the contents of the lynches. I am seriously concerned about his willingness to support lynches without contributing much personal insights. Which is kind of funny considering his terrible voting history. On December 10 2013 06:43 LSB wrote: ##Vote: purpletrator Scum are mafia pretending to be someone else. Smurfs are players pretending to be someone else. Smurfs = Mafia. Flawless mafia. Lynch all Smurfs On December 10 2013 09:00 LSB wrote: ##Unvote ##Vote: kushm4sta On December 11 2013 00:32 LSB wrote: I'm glad to see someone feels that Purpletrator is being overly defensive Rather than being nonsensical I saw it as being paranoid and believing there was a serious case on him and a need to defend himself. He handled that far too poorly, I chalked it up as bad play at the time, but this paranoia does bother me. ##unvote ##Vote Purpletrator On December 11 2013 12:04 LSB wrote: LETS GET THIS WAGON GOING GAIS ##unvote ##Vote: Sidesprang On December 12 2013 05:40 LSB wrote: Spaghetticus filter is just one giant mess of him trying to stir up activity, to me he is trying to show himself as being more active than he actually is. Unfortunately between Spag and VA I am not confident about someone being scum, but Spag's filter suggests to me that he is more likely than not mafia ##Unvote ##Vote: Spaghetticus On December 13 2013 06:21 LSB wrote: Oh I see Well that solves the Corazon issue. ##Vote: Sidesprang Calls out bad bandwagon votes for being scummy, proceeds to make bandwagon votes all game. Re posted for visibility | ||
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On December 13 2013 20:34 raynpelikoneet wrote: I kinda want to lynch Plutarch for that post. I called LSB out for his voting behavior on D!, especially asked you about it. NOW it's relevant. You are scum. Did you? I just read his filter and that is what I saw. Don't see how that makes me scum though. If you did post that day one then I agree with you, obviously. | ||
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On December 13 2013 20:35 raynpelikoneet wrote: Like literally the exact same thing. IT was not a bog deal on D1. ##Vote: Plutarch How does it make me scum that I arrived at the same conclusions as you? | ||
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On December 13 2013 20:38 raynpelikoneet wrote: Yes i did. You are either not reading or scum. Leaning on scum because i even asked your opinion on it. Both are bad. Or I just forgot about a post you made several day's ago. | ||
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On December 13 2013 20:38 raynpelikoneet wrote: Yes i did. You are either not reading or scum. Leaning on scum because i even asked your opinion on it. Both are bad. This still doesn't tell me why it makes me scum. Even if I had remembered your post, why does making a post arriving at the same conclusions make me scum? Why couldn't a townie do the same thing? | ||
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On December 13 2013 20:41 raynpelikoneet wrote: So yeah. you gotta be scum. Not really. That post was made at the beginning of day one when moving around your vote is a positive. I just Analyzed his filter carefully and with new information from the spag lynch and came up with a new conclusion. Doesn;t mjake me scum Stop calling me scum and explain why it makes me scum. Otherwise you are just making a lot of noise for no reason. | ||
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On December 13 2013 20:43 raynpelikoneet wrote: Because it was not a big deal on D1. And now you tell it's scummy. You are arriving to different conclusions based on same information. duh.. Except it is different information. Half his votes came after that post of yours. And I analyzed his posting far more carefully this time than i did whilst reading your post. | ||
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On December 13 2013 20:49 raynpelikoneet wrote: Except 4/5 of the posts you quote are in wht i asked you to elaborate on. And the last one is consolidation. 4/6 and my main point is something you didn't mention. | ||
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On December 14 2013 03:23 raynpelikoneet wrote: I asked Plutarch about those exact posts and he said it was not a big deal. But when LSB consolidates on one of the two top targets it suddenly somehow becomes suspicious? LSB makes 4 "bandwagony" votes, not suspicious -> LSB consolidates on current lynch targets suddenly all of his votes become suspicious. That's really bad. If LSB had not consolidated he would have been called out for not caring about the lynch. I can see where you are coming from, the main point is that I re read his filter after I felt this post, which you call consolidation but I call scummy, Jumped out at me. On December 13 2013 12:41 Plutarch wrote: This post is really scummy in my opinion. This reads to me as if LSB is trying to avoid any responsibility for a mislynch whilst still joining the wagon. He says he is not confident about spag being scum and yet also says spag is more likely to be scum than town. Generally a scummy post to make when hopping on a town wagon at the end. I then re-read his filter and noticed that he called out bandwagoning without reasoning scummy. Even though that is what he has done all game. That is my main argument against LSB and is something that you didn;t mention in your post and something that I had not noticed at the time. I feel this should be a more than satisfactory explanation and would like your input on how you would feel about a LSB lynch. If you continue to tunnel me even though I have a satisfactory explanation then I will ignore you because it distracts me from catching scum. | ||
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On December 14 2013 03:53 purpletrator wrote: We are in disagreement. Since I am bored, tell me if you think Holyflares final post confirms Plutarch as town? So holyflare medic protected me and crumbed it. There were only two deaths instead of three. What is more likely? That I was shot and med protected? Or holyflare was double stacked? I think holyflare was at least as townie looking as I was. But it certainly is possible. I am not confirmed by this however. | ||
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On December 14 2013 06:29 raynpelikoneet wrote: You shot the town medic who was like the towniest dude in the game.  Why so happy about that my good friend? :D | ||
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On December 14 2013 08:54 Blazinghand wrote: to be 100% clear, and this is aimed at non-kush people: having seen cora's posts, you basically ignored them (except perhaps to giggle) and now that he/I is/are confirmed town, you might take him seriously if he was capable of hunting scum at all. But since he failed to do so and shot a medic, nothing he said should be considered seriously for updating your own reads. Even the badness of his read on hf, for example, should not be considered; I am the vigi. I am town, there is no counterclaim. There is no reason to read cora's filter or think about him for the rest of the game, and any attempt to do so is highly scummy. If you're town, don't do it, it doesn't help us. I agree with this. Confirmed town blazinghand can be a powerful thing. Roaming the land, destroying scum with a single punch from his blazing.... hand. | ||
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On December 14 2013 10:29 kushm4sta wrote: plutarch why xigxag instead of LSB? especially now that lsb has this wagon going on him? bh simmer down son i just got pissed mods telling us what to do . i agree corazon's opinions and thoughts are useless despite the fact that he is confirmed town. Why instead? I think LSB is scum, he hasn't really posted anything new to talk about so I'm going to look at someone else. No point in wasting the day when I will probably die at night. | ||
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I don't want to OMGUS which is why I want some further opinions. | ||
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I have read the thread but have no time to post as much as I would like. My apologies. ##vote: LSB | ||
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On December 15 2013 05:33 raynpelikoneet wrote: Because everyone online right now thinks he is scum, i think he is scum and i am trying to get people vote for him. wtf is wrong with you? There don;t seem to be enough people for shenanigans. So you should probably vote for whoever is most likely to be scum out of a leading wagon. I don't get why everyone decided that LSB was a bad lynch. Nothing has convinced me he is town and he showed up to simply vote vayne and disappear. I agree with kush that someone who looks scummy can actually be scum. I think town is just wifoming out of this one to be honest. That being said I am up for shenanigans if I agree with the case. Purple seems townie to me though. (superficially rayn, I may change my mind if I analyze his filter again ffs) | ||
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On December 15 2013 05:40 Alakaslam wrote: ALRIGHT LOOK. Would the xata pair and rate just consolidate on xigxag please? Because Blazinghand? I could do this. xigxag has been scummy since day one. ##unvote: ##Vote: Xigxag | ||
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On December 15 2013 05:40 raynpelikoneet wrote: Plutarch can we lynch you if LSB flips town? No. I'm not confident enough for that, besides people who make those kind of promises are driven by ego rather than trying to win the game. Why would I lynch myself when I know I am town. Dumb. | ||
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On December 15 2013 05:43 Artanis[Xp] wrote: What do you find scummy in his filter? Read my case on him from day one? or the follow up I posted? | ||
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I have him town because he has made some good points and seemed quite suspicious of me at the start. I think this is thrawn or yamato cause they always call me scum early. Hue. He should probs be null tho.... Watch closely. So apparently I have him town but I told myself he shouldn't be. | ||
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##vote:purple Rayn seems more confident than I am about any lynch. I will help him with shenanigans. Townies Unite!! | ||
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On December 15 2013 05:50 Artanis[Xp] wrote: I'm scrolling through your filter and I can't find your case. Please enlighten me on which page. I'm sure I've read it before. If you mean this post: Then I don't think that's very convincing. You're basically saying that you don't see what he sees in it. This happens between townies all the time. If it didn't this game would be pretty easy. You clearly haven't read day one properly at all... | ||
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On December 15 2013 05:50 VayneAuthority wrote: perhaps you missed the part where he started going through the game then stopped at like 3 people and then just voted me lol Vote purple plz bb. | ||
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On December 15 2013 05:56 purpletrator wrote: lolwut gg Reads. Quickly plz. | ||
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On December 15 2013 05:58 Alakaslam wrote: Dude no ##un []%## vote xigxag What the fuck is this nonsense? | ||
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On December 15 2013 06:06 VayneAuthority wrote: k now some one try and explain what alakaslam just tried to do, plz. Yeah. That was suspect as fuck. | ||
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And Rayn, Blazinghand and I are obv town now. That is an OP lineup. | ||
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On December 15 2013 06:09 raynpelikoneet wrote: Can you guys now believe Vayne is town? Unless that Purple vote was a clever bus in reaction to the slam vote. Then yes. He probably town. I had him as town in my notes also. | ||
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On December 15 2013 06:12 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Actually, this is false. You're obv not scum. Only Blazinghand is conf town because he's vig. I didn't say confirmed town I said Obv town. Like so obviously town that you only think we are not town if you are an obvious retard. | ||
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On December 15 2013 06:12 JarJarDrinks wrote: K, guess I was wrong about vayne. No way that was a 2 scum race. Slam looks pretty terrible after trying to vote snipe. I think Grack looks pretty bad too wasting his vote when he was clearly here. Rayn and Plu obv town. Post all Ur reads tonight since one of u is prob gonna die. I agree with this, I will link my notes. A lot of it is invalidated by this lynch however. MY NOTES | ||
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On December 15 2013 06:17 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Tell me how this in any way suggests you can't be SK. Yeah, I guess that is true for both me and rayn. Hadn't thought about it to be honest. | ||
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On December 15 2013 06:25 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Claiming is terrible until a cop checks scum. The cop should just hint in his reads if he finds town players. This is true. He should crumb his checks and results though. | ||
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On December 15 2013 06:32 JarJarDrinks wrote: Also I guess we know that Plu was in fact targetted and healed last night. How? | ||
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On December 15 2013 06:36 JarJarDrinks wrote: Cause he basically scumslipped that it happened when he quoted HFs breadcrumb and called you confirmed town. Oh yeah. I am confirmed town suck it artanis. | ||
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On December 15 2013 06:40 Blazinghand wrote: that being said, except for "lynch xigxag" i have no reads right now (dont' count anything i've said so far) I'm probably being shot tonight, there's probably not a doctor, so i'll do a reread and drop a final set of scumreads. it's been a lot of fun guys, and great job on the PT lynch. All we need to do is carry this home. Everything I've done, I've done for my people! | ||
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On December 15 2013 11:03 kushm4sta wrote: just got here. when is lynch? what are wagons? LOL. we already lynched scum. It's over kush. | ||
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On December 15 2013 11:45 kushm4sta wrote: whose genius idea was it to kill purpl Rayn called him scum and I made the wagon move. | ||
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On December 15 2013 11:58 VayneAuthority wrote: SK we will shoot blazinghand so don't shoot him aight, don't wanna overlap Lol what? | ||
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On December 15 2013 11:57 kushm4sta wrote: hapa plz speculate: do you think rayn or yourself is gonna get hit tonight? I think it is almost certain that 2 out Blazinghand, Rayn and I will die. | ||
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On December 15 2013 13:04 VayneAuthority wrote: alakaslam is now the smartest person in the thread, my how times change What did you intend to achieve by claiming scum. Because that is what you did 100 percent. Explain to me the townie motivation for that post? | ||
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Why are you defending Vayne? I asked vayne what his motives were. So why do you think you are able to answer for his motives? | ||
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On December 15 2013 13:24 Blazinghand wrote: doesn't matter; he is scum, he claimed it. I have no dieing wish, no autoeulogy, no final will other than that VA be lynched tomorrow. that is all that matters. Why would scum claim in the thread though :/ | ||
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On December 15 2013 13:34 Alakaslam wrote: Hahaha It is ULTIMATE WIFOM OF POWER!!! Yes, it can actually be scum motivated I could see someone doing this. This is artfully illustrated somewhere gimme a sec. Yeah I could see scum doing this too. Communicate with the SK so brazenly that you have plausible deniability. That is why i'm trying to think of a town scenario for doing that with town motivations. And I really can't right now. | ||
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On December 15 2013 13:52 Alakaslam wrote: Plutarch! I want to know, do you care about Ford VS Chevrolet? Do you know where I might find a honda? You are speaking like a retard who only half remembers Aldous Huxely's A Brave New World and is getting it mixed up with George Orwell's Nineteen Eighty-Four. | ||
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On December 15 2013 15:25 Blazinghand wrote: Vayne claimed scum. I don't know why there's anyone who doesn't want to lynch him. The reason he claimed scum is he thinks he can troll out of it, or maybe that it's such an audacious move that people will think scum could never do that, but stop thinking about that. stop thinking about his motives, stop thinking about anything other than this: VA claimed scum. not like some kind of rhetorical argument where I'm like "wow Player A, that argument is so bad you figuratively claimed scum" no not like that, VA actually claimed scum, he LITERALLY tried to coordinate his nk with the sk in the thread. see that? remember that: remember that if you somehow don't lynch VA tomorrow, when you wonder where you went wrong, how you let scum win-- remember that he claimed scum, and you did nothing lynch VA. there is no excuse not to. I lol'd but he has a point. While I don't think it is good to simply ignore the mindset of someone, he did claim scum. He did try to coordinate with the serial killer in the thread. | ||
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On December 15 2013 19:21 raynpelikoneet wrote: I see pretty much no point in Vayne saying what he did as town. I tend to agree with you. The only explanation as town is if you were trying to troll or something. | ||
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Firstly he hardly mentions vayne even though he was a counter wagon on both days. But when he does mention vayne he likes to downplay his scumminess. On December 12 2013 02:52 purpletrator wrote: You said you'd never kill him, then you said you'd NK him to make the game more fun for yourself. Direct and absolute contradiction (that I do not find scummy, but its there). On December 12 2013 03:13 purpletrator wrote: you shouldnt scumread him for it either. On December 12 2013 03:15 purpletrator wrote: ebwop: my point is that his statement is hypothetical and not alignment indicative for vayne. On December 12 2013 03:17 purpletrator wrote: No rayn, I do not think Vayne is scummy for puffing his chest. On December 12 2013 03:25 purpletrator wrote: I think Vayne is prone to egotistical outbursts. Could he be scum? Yes. Could he be scum for the reason you and JJD are voting him? In my opinion, no. Why would scum want to defend a scummy townie like Vayne over the course of two days when Vayne had the very real possibility of getting lynched? What is the point in scum doing that? On day one Purple further tries to shift attention away from vayne during the final hours of the lynch by attempting to set the lynch as a race between two candidates that we now know to be both town. Even though vayne was a viable lynch at that time. On December 12 2013 05:11 purpletrator wrote: before slam gets too far, active lurkers (theres gotta be like 10 of us), who is scummier, cora or spag? Purple finally did vote for vayne. But only at the last minuite and the vote is meaningless. If vayne had not been crossvoted by purple as the leading counterwagon he would look terrible. This last vote is FORCED and gives vayne zero town cred. The other person that looks bad is Slam. Purple who despite saying this at the beginning of the game On December 10 2013 08:46 purpletrator wrote: Can we appeal to the vig(s) to shoot kush and/or slam for us? Refuses to lynch and vehemently defends slam all day one. Once again, why would scum feel compelled to hard defend a relatively easy policy lynch? They wouldn't. If the person getting policy lynched was town. Hey Slam get in the thread and defend yourself or you will be lynched On December 12 2013 03:11 purpletrator wrote: Slam are you around? I dont want to lynch you but your absence is not helping if you are town. Hard defense. Why would this happen if slam was policy lynched as town? On December 12 2013 03:12 purpletrator wrote: he's actually getting lynched right now and its a really bad lynch. On December 12 2013 03:33 purpletrator wrote: He is almost the same as an RNG lynch. He's so polarizing of a player that there is no analysis to be done on his wagon or the discussions surrounding him. It is a bad lynch. You get no information and statistically a mislynch. On December 12 2013 05:11 purpletrator wrote: before slam gets too far, active lurkers (theres gotta be like 10 of us), who is scummier, cora or spag? He also tries to hand hold slam into making legible posts in order to sway the vote. During this hand holding he shows that he has intimate knowledge of Slam's persona which does not come from the thread. On December 12 2013 04:09 purpletrator wrote: Slam this isnt even in your persona and it makes no sense. I dont care if you have to put it in code, who are you referring to and why are the ICE? On December 12 2013 04:44 purpletrator wrote: sorry, that should have been why are they ice. I understand that ICE=scum and fire=town etc. Right now you are liable to be drowned, not frozen. Do you understand the difference? Also, it is not strictly because you have a persona, it is because you constantly ramble on about where is the ICE/ Do you like ICE without mentioning any particular person(s) who are cold or clouded in shadows. His stuff on LSB seems null to me. But his defense of Slam and Vayne look really really bad. Further, they are both independently scummy. | ||
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On December 15 2013 20:04 raynpelikoneet wrote: Actually one thing Plutarch. tbh if Slam and Vayne are both scum why would Slam voteswitch in the end? There is no way he's gonna get a townie lynched, why would he do that? He panicked? If he really wanted to lynch vayne instead of his scum buddy purple why did he not switch to vayne? Instead he switches to the only non scum able to get lynched. | ||
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On December 15 2013 20:16 raynpelikoneet wrote: That's my point. The vote switch cannot possibly achieve anything from scum pov. If he switches to Vayne and Vayne is scum he risks losing a better role than vanilla scum. If he switches to someone else he still risks Vayne getting lynched if someone from town switches votes and he effectively makes himself look bad in any way. It was a last minute thing vote counts were off. I think it is more than plausible that he panicked and outed himself. | ||
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On December 15 2013 20:22 kushm4sta wrote: hapa I think those quotes actually point to vayne being town. Scum usually don't defend each other so blatantly. Also, a common scum tactic is to town read someone who is acting superficially scummy (aka trolly) like me or vayne. They do this people are going to want to lynch us no matter what, and it's easy to reverse their read on us, and it's an easy way to look like they are contributing. It wasn't that blatant I had to dig it out. It was subtle manipulation and something I didn't notice until I read through his filter. I think it is highly likely that Vayne is scum. | ||
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These are the only times Rayn mentioned purple AT ALL until purple became his direct counter wagon. On December 14 2013 05:38 VayneAuthority wrote: read my filter and you'll have all those answers except purple, who I don't know about yet On December 15 2013 05:14 VayneAuthority wrote: voting for purple at this point would just be committing suicide rayn, you would have to get more votes to even consder it. No one answered my question tho on why LSB support is dwindling when all he did was come back and vote me. On December 15 2013 05:46 VayneAuthority wrote: that really is not an option, look at the voting. it would have to be LSB or XX and XX would be a shot in the dark 3 Times in 2 entire cylces. each time dissuading the town from trying to lynch purple. The, and this is important, Vayne votes Purple out of nowhere and only because purp is his direct counter wagon. On December 15 2013 05:52 VayneAuthority wrote: it's not going to do anything ##unvote ##vote: purple im dead poretty much unless miracle Since then he mentions purple 15! times. in a pretty obvious bus. On December 15 2013 05:59 VayneAuthority wrote: alakaslam and purple are scum. On December 15 2013 05:59 VayneAuthority wrote: purple is 100% scum, some one help me out here On December 15 2013 06:00 VayneAuthority wrote: why did alakaslam and purple try to force kill me together? right after alakaslam said he wanted purple lynched On December 15 2013 06:02 VayneAuthority wrote: and then you and purple vote to try and kill me. On December 15 2013 06:08 VayneAuthority wrote: also rayn, i saw what you meant after I read this good enough reason to vote him He does not give reasoning or provide evidence. He flips a switch and milks town cred. Then comes this post which states there are association tells galore (there really aren't) in an attempt to set up next lynch off the back of purples lynch On December 15 2013 06:09 VayneAuthority wrote: purple and LSB have association tells galore in his filter, I don't see why we don't lynch LSB too In summary Vayne mentions purple only 3! times up until the end of day 2, each time dissuading people from lynching purp. He then has to bus when they are direct counter wagons to each other and blatantly does so. Mentioning purp 15! times in minutes. Please lynch Vayne tomorrow. | ||
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On December 15 2013 23:01 Xatalos wrote: On the other hand, it's weird that the top 2 lynches would be scum. And there are other reasons that make VA less likely scum. Why would the top two lynches being scum be weird. Town decide the wagons generally. Especially in this town where the top 3 players are obv town. | ||
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On December 15 2013 23:10 Xatalos wrote: Grackaroni is definitely one of the most suspicious votes (if not the most suspicious). He was very unwilling to lynch purple. Incidentally, his D1 vote was also one of the most scummy: I don't think VA and Grackaroni are scum together, though. And Grackaroni is very scummy on his own rights. Why don't you think they can be scum together? | ||
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Vayne Alakaslam Grack All look terrible with the purp flip and should be seriously considered as lynch candidates LSB and Xigxag look better. Xatalos is likely 3rd party. still need to read artanis As for others, Kush is town, Coag is .... | ||
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On December 15 2013 23:33 Xatalos wrote: Where do you get that I'd be SK...? Basically you have sheeped me a lot. You talk a lot but are more likely to discuss things when lead/promtped. You have basically sheeped the strong townies all game. You have made good points etc. but not really seemed ultra invested in the outcome of lynches hence the sheeping of one or two townies most of the game. You aren't scummy but you are active and not townie. Basically it is really obvious. | ||
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On December 15 2013 23:46 Xatalos wrote: Well, obviously I disagree... Do you think that my heavy pressure during D1 or individual pushes on several players (Artanis, Corazon...) are indicative of sheeping / not being that invested in who gets lynched? Well that is like my whole point. You went through the motions and stuff with pressure and cases but at the end of the day you sheeped like crazy. Like it is so obvious to me that I'm not even calling you mafia. I am calling you SK and I am very very sure. | ||
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On December 15 2013 23:51 Xatalos wrote: Personally I think LSB might be SK. He's been like... the player least invested in who gets lynched at all...... He doesn't seem invested in the game. Period. You are Very invested in the game. But not in who dies. All you have done is sheep when push comes to shove. And that is why you are SK. | ||
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On December 15 2013 23:55 kushm4sta wrote: yeah :LSB for sk. Xatalos is scum. Hapa your list sucks imo. I am liek a prophet heed my words as you wrongly convince people to lynch down your list. No offense Kush but I trust my reads and the sheer amount of work I put into them over yours. | ||
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On December 15 2013 23:59 kushm4sta wrote: XATALOS StOP TAlking about past games... your blatant scumminess is pissing me off. yes i caught you in my second newbie and i have caught you again. That is a lie. You didn't catch him. | ||
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On December 16 2013 00:10 kushm4sta wrote: case closed. yes first i own the smurfs then i own the scums. You will never own me Kush.  | ||
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On December 16 2013 03:34 JarJarDrinks wrote: As much as I'd like the fact that I pushed hard for a townie lynch 2 days in a row to be false, I don't understand how Vayne can be scum anymore. Purple tried to vote Vayne last minute. What purpose could that serve? I was pretty much the only person that thought Vayne was scum. Meanwhile the whole town suspected purple. Why would scum sacrifice Vayne to keep the very scummy Purple in the game? Please read my posts. Sigh, I explained this already. Vayne was forced to vote for purple as the leading counterwagon, just as purp was forced to crossvote vayne. if they had not done so they would have looked awful. Crossvoting allowed them a chance to live unless people thought hard enough about it. Please. I spent a lot of time writing that analysis. READ MY POSTS ONCE I AM DEAD. LYNCH VAYNE AND XATALOS. | ||
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On December 16 2013 01:00 raynpelikoneet wrote: But you are quite frinedly, besides towards Artanis. That's kind of an interesting scenario Plutarch is proposing, from all the view points. First of all i think that's apossibility that he is right, second i dunno why would he propose that now, during the night, and not at the last moment? I really do not know how SK should be playing at least considering their shots are obvious like other kills too. I havn't really thought about it at all. Plutarch why did you think it's a good time to analyze who is SK now? Basically there is no way I am not dead tonight anyway so I spent my time doing as much as I could for the town. I knew who the serial killer was likely to be and told town. | ||
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On December 16 2013 01:00 raynpelikoneet wrote: But you are quite frinedly, besides towards Artanis. That's kind of an interesting scenario Plutarch is proposing, from all the view points. First of all i think that's apossibility that he is right, second i dunno why would he propose that now, during the night, and not at the last moment? I really do not know how SK should be playing at least considering their shots are obvious like other kills too. I havn't really thought about it at all. Plutarch why did you think it's a good time to analyze who is SK now? Basically there is no way I am not dead tonight anyway so I spent my time doing as much as I could for the town. I knew who the serial killer was likely to be and told town. | ||
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On December 16 2013 05:48 JarJarDrinks wrote: Purple wasn't forced to vote Vayne. He could have just stayed away from the thread. He showed up last minute to try and save himself. He showed up, tried to save himself, and then was forced to vote for vayne last minute. sure he could have stayed away. Also he could have corssvoted vayne to try and make vayne look good. Which is what he was doing. | ||
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On December 16 2013 05:50 JarJarDrinks wrote: Also, my money is on Grack as SK. Since he really hasn't seemed to care about the lynches. As evidenced by the fact that he voted for vayne day 1 but on day 2 he specifically said he refused to do so w/o giving any reason. Grack is scum due to association with purple. Xatalos is SK. If you all ignore my posts and be dumb I will ruin you in post game. | ||
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On December 16 2013 05:57 raynpelikoneet wrote: Okay so i'll be quick here. Grack, Vayne, Slam, Xatalos. That is what I have. | ||
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On December 16 2013 10:42 LSB wrote: #Policylynch ##VOTE:VayneAuthority I don't like this post. Why apply a caveat to a vote on Vayne and call it a policy lynch? He is very scummy. We are lynching him because he is scum. This post doesn't make any sense. | ||
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On December 16 2013 11:29 VayneAuthority wrote: because it's a misrepresentation of what this lynch is, there are multiple cases on me. The wording is strange; as if he knows I am not scum and it is wrong. Yep. That is precisely why it is suspicious as fuck. | ||
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On December 16 2013 11:59 JarJarDrinks wrote: How did he try to save himself? He showed up 4 minutes before lynchtime. There was no alternative wagon. There was zero benefit to him showing up and voting his scumbuddy. Vayne was already gonna look great after the lynch. It made vayne look a lot better. The fact that we are even arguing about it showed it was somewhat successful. | ||
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On December 16 2013 12:00 VayneAuthority wrote: you're right, but that was probably my only chance of getting people to stop voting me. continue to play the game as if im town because that is whats going to happen So you fake claimed? | ||
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On December 16 2013 12:06 VayneAuthority wrote: No im 100% town. just trying to figure out ways I can avoid being lynched If you are town just do as much scumhunting as possible before you die. | ||
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On December 16 2013 12:13 VayneAuthority wrote: just remember that you guys are really bad at this game when I flip town No. If you flip town, you are fucking awful at this game. | ||
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On December 16 2013 12:16 VayneAuthority wrote: nah, you are fucking trash at this game kid LEL. You claimed scum in the thread, you made a ridiculous fake cop claim and have stated that you don't give a shit about town or anything but surviving. If you are town after that words cannot describe how badly you played. | ||
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On December 16 2013 12:19 VayneAuthority wrote: You are basing a scumread off a joke I made you dumb cum dumpster. Appropriate. | ||
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On December 17 2013 04:18 Xatalos wrote: Fine then. Let's see if he comes back to post now. ##Vote XigXag This is why Xatalos is SK/Mafia. Xatalos is clearly invested in the game due to how much he has been posting, yet he has not once seemed to be invested in the outcome of the lynch and has only sheeped. He has made reads but has never really pushed them to be lynched and has instead followed some other lynch. Xatalos is scum and needs to die today. | ||
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If you were not confirmed town I would think you were scum. Policy lynches on day one are fine. Not on day three. Tell me who is scum. | ||
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On December 17 2013 21:27 raynpelikoneet wrote: Wait did you claim scum or SK? ##Unvote: ##Vote: Xatalos Where the fuck have you been? If rayn doesn't die he is the serial killer. | ||
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On December 17 2013 21:33 raynpelikoneet wrote: Yeah i just saw your post. Who did you guys shoot on N1 and N2? Plutarch and Plutarch. | ||
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On December 17 2013 21:52 raynpelikoneet wrote: I couldn't get online for the last day. Wtf is this bullshit? What are you doing? I'll make a case and post it at the end of the night. Until then let's just assume you are town and then we can sort some shit out now that I am finally getting NK'd. | ||
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On December 17 2013 21:56 raynpelikoneet wrote: I suggest you make the case now because if you are going to die and i won't you know what that means? I'll make it at the end of the night before I die. Forget about that and tell me what you think of this post. On December 10 2013 08:25 Xatalos wrote: I think you're being suicidal if you're scum, so it's a bit more likely that you're town, but overall somewhat null so far. | ||
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On December 17 2013 21:58 raynpelikoneet wrote: And why would you want me copped if you "know" i am the SK? Why not cop scum instead? You also "knew" Xatalos is SK... He was scum though. So close enough :D seriously just forget about it so we can be productive for a while. | ||
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On December 17 2013 22:03 raynpelikoneet wrote: No, why do you even bring that up? So you can make a case noone can answer / argue with you about before you die if you are town and then scum/SK have a mislynch lined up as me being SK "because confirmed townie" said so. Seriously, wtf? Why would you do that as town? I don't think the quote says anything about Alakaslam's alignment. I am confirmed town at this point. Just drop it. I am not discussing it with you further. | ||
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On December 17 2013 22:04 raynpelikoneet wrote: Yeah i would, so would you. So give me one good reason why a cop should check me instead of you? are you for real? I am dead tonight. Is that a good enough reason? | ||
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Hey Xatalos. Is this on the money or what? Hue. | ||
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On December 17 2013 22:10 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Sending a cop to a death sentenced player seems like an awful idea. If Rayn is still alive in D4 we'll look at his filter with scrutiny. He's confirmed not scum or scum wouldn't have coordinated it like this I don't think. Plutarch, other than the one day absence do you have any reason to suspect Rayn of being SK? Yes. But i'll only post it before the end of night 3. Everyone needs to read that post. | ||
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On December 17 2013 22:12 raynpelikoneet wrote: Well at least Artanis is not scum either. No I agree. At the moment I have: Rayn Plutarch Artanis Jarjardrinks Xigxag Sidesprang Blazinghand as not Mafia. That leaves LSB Alakaslam and Grack. | ||
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On December 17 2013 22:15 raynpelikoneet wrote: I can't figure out why Xatalos would claim scum. What's the point at this point? Artanis what do you think this tells about xigxag's alignment? He was caught and couldn't be bothered fighting cause he knew I would make sure he was lynched? | ||
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On December 17 2013 22:16 raynpelikoneet wrote: Like this is the votecount at that time: I think this means there were a lot of townies on his wagon. you had expressed suspicion on him, and they had not enough thread presence to beat both you and I in swaying the outcome of the lynch. | ||
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On December 17 2013 22:24 raynpelikoneet wrote: Plutarch you seriously can't figure out why i can't possibly be SK? That's my one last question about this; Look above. I love you rayn. | ||
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On December 15 2013 05:28 Aquanim wrote: Vote Count LSB (5): VayneAuthority, Kushm4sta, Coagulation, Plutarch, Xatalos VayneAuthority (4): JarJarDrinks, xigxag, sidesprang, LSB Xatalos (2): ArtanisXp, Grackaroni xigxag (2): Blazinghand, Alakaslam, purpletrator (1): raynpelikoneet raynpelikoneet (1): purpletrator NOT VOTING: Nobody Currently LSB is set to be lynched. Let me know if I missed anyone! Deadline is in I was doing some vote analysis. I don't think LSB can be scum after this. If LSB was scum why would xatalos be hammering him over vayne? | ||
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Grack and Alakaslam are both mafia. That vote onto Xigxag and the fact that slam has not contributed to BOTH mafia wagons is very suspicious, | ||
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On December 14 2013 04:24 Xatalos wrote: Hahah. That's a nice thought. Although if scum NK'd Plutarch last time, they're probably doing it again now that the Medic is dead. | ||
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On December 17 2013 23:49 raynpelikoneet wrote: Plutarch why do you assume SK is 1-shot BP? they almost always are on TL. | ||
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On December 15 2013 05:13 JarJarDrinks wrote: Cause there's alot scummier people. I'll vote for purple if it ends up between him and any of (LSB, Art, xigxag). Not sure which horse I'd back between Purple and Xatalos (who I think are both scummy but @ the bottom of my list). But I'd prefer not to have to make that decision. Vayne is best Lynch, then Kush, then probably sidespring. | ||
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On December 15 2013 06:36 JarJarDrinks wrote: Cause he basically scumslipped that it happened when he quoted HFs breadcrumb and called you confirmed town. | ||
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On December 16 2013 13:15 JarJarDrinks wrote: Going to bed. Will check out Xat tomorrow. I've had him as scummy most of this game but never really near the top of my reads. So that might actually make sense for a SK. Other people I think we should consider lynching: sidesprig, Grack, Slam. He has also done basically nothing but half heartadly push the scummiest townies and comment on things unrelated to scum hunting. Jar jar drinks is 100% scum. I am super confident. So confident I could lynch him over xatalos. | ||
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On December 18 2013 00:09 raynpelikoneet wrote: I don't think JJD would have been so vocal about asking the hosts if scum could have hit HF aswell if he was mafia. This is also interesting and could implicate SK: Why does he assume one of us is going to die on N2, the medic was dead and there was no reason to assume 2 medics. Cause he is thinking in terms of having one KP and he is going to hit one of the towniest members cause he is scum. He doesn;t know who SK is going to hit. because SK may not want to hit town at that point. Rayn. JJD is mafia. 100% | ||
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On December 18 2013 00:11 raynpelikoneet wrote: I mean it does not make sense that purple "scumslips" and JJD does the opposite. If JJD was scum it would be trrible scum miscoordination because JJD basically has to at least on some level accuse purple after that. It was only mentioned after purple was lynched so it was meaningless. | ||
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On December 18 2013 00:12 raynpelikoneet wrote: You basically can't be that confident because Xatalos claimed scum. I would happily lynch JJD over xatalos today. | ||
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On December 18 2013 00:22 JarJarDrinks wrote: I'm confused. How is it not incredibly obvious that scum is gonna go after one of you 2? I don't understand how this indicates a scum mindset. It doesn't. all the other things I have posted make you confirmed scum though. | ||
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On December 18 2013 00:17 raynpelikoneet wrote: No man, it wasn't. It was mentioned way before noone was even voted for purple. JJD had posted that in thread before i accused you and purple & Artanis went crazy on me. Why would he call that 'basically a scumslip' then? when purple hadn't flipped and simply pointed a holyflare post out. That makes JJD look even worse than I thought. | ||
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On December 18 2013 00:37 JarJarDrinks wrote: It was after Purple Died I believe. I was calling Vaynes post about being doublestacked a scumslip before purple died. Either way you are scum. | ||
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On December 18 2013 00:38 JarJarDrinks wrote: Lol, scum not mentioning me? Well how the hell can I defend myself from that? You can't. You made a case on Xatalos and he does not mention you despite that. You don't mention or push xatalos despite making a case on him day one. You haven't done any serious scum hunting or made concerted pushes all game despite having decent activity. You are 100% without a doubt scum. | ||
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On December 18 2013 00:40 JarJarDrinks wrote: No, I'm not. There, now I made a defense that's @ least as good as your case against me. My case is very very strong. | ||
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Town lynch JJD tomorrow please. Xatalos only mentions Jarjardrinks once in passing in his entire filter. And Purple doesn't mention him at all. Kind of odd don't you think? I mean he has an 8 page filter. Jarjardrinks even made a case against xatalos and he still doesn't mention him. Jarjardrinks makes a case against xatalos at the start of day one and doesn't mention him again until 5 pages later in his filter at the end of day two On December 15 2013 05:13 JarJarDrinks wrote: Cause there's alot scummier people. I'll vote for purple if it ends up between him and any of (LSB, Art, xigxag). Not sure which horse I'd back between Purple and Xatalos (who I think are both scummy but @ the bottom of my list). But I'd prefer not to have to make that decision. Vayne is best Lynch, then Kush, then probably sidespring. Here JJD displays Hyper awareness of both night action resolution and 'scumslips' Showing a scum oriented mindset. On December 15 2013 06:36 JarJarDrinks wrote: Cause he basically scumslipped that it happened when he quoted HFs breadcrumb and called you confirmed town. He has had Xatalos as scummy all game but never mentions him and never pushes for his lynch. and now with the strongest players calling out his entire game scum read he would still like to consider lynching sidesprig, Grack, and slam. On December 16 2013 13:15 JarJarDrinks wrote: Going to bed. Will check out Xat tomorrow. I've had him as scummy most of this game but never really near the top of my reads. So that might actually make sense for a SK. Other people I think we should consider lynching: sidesprig, Grack, Slam. He has also done basically nothing but half heartadly push the scummiest townies and comment on things unrelated to scum hunting. Jar jar drinks is 100% scum. I am super confident. So confident I could lynch him over xatalos. | ||
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On December 18 2013 00:47 raynpelikoneet wrote: I think this makes JJD 101% scum. You are hilarious. | ||
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On December 18 2013 00:49 JarJarDrinks wrote: Bullshit. Are you actually reading my filter cause I've done a ton of scumhunting. Vayne was my top scumread all game so he's the person I've been voting and pushing. I've had other people as scumreads and I've always said I'd vote for them if it came down to a vote between them and someone I didn't have a scum read on. It just so happens that Vayne has been a leading wagon all game. Yeah all you have done all game is half hardheartedly push the scummiest townie in the game. Despite calling out actual scum day one and then ignoring them mysteriously till the end of day two. | ||
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On December 18 2013 00:59 JarJarDrinks wrote: I ignored him cause he hadn't done anything I thought was too scummy since then and I had a scumread on Vayne. Don't forget, that once purple flipped, I was pretty confident that Vayne was town. And I argued against his lynch (even though you were pretty much 100% sure he was scum also). How easy would it have been for me to just have kept my scumread on him and secure a mislynch? Instead you create a town read on someone you are calling scum all game for the town cred. | ||
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On December 18 2013 01:00 Grackaroni wrote: Why not SK giving up but can't surrender due to scum?  Possible. But SK hasn't been raped as hard as this scumteam has. | ||
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On December 18 2013 01:07 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Did the entire scumteam just decide to claim scum? You guys need to calm down, we've only got room for one of you each day. Hue. | ||
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On December 18 2013 01:08 JarJarDrinks wrote: Well, duh. After he fake claimed, I didn;t think he was a townread anymore. Gimme a sec and I'll dig up me defending him. Don't bother. | ||
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On December 18 2013 01:21 LSB wrote: Am I playing the same game as you guys? What do you mean? | ||
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On December 18 2013 01:33 JarJarDrinks wrote: No, but they risked it for absolutely no reason. They had to do it regardless of vaynes alignment. This is pointless though. You are scum, you will die. | ||
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On December 18 2013 01:43 Grackaroni wrote: Oh I was suggesting Plutarch isn't town. Lel. He is claiming scum again. You gonna vote or what? | ||
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On December 18 2013 02:04 Grackaroni wrote: You guys really can't take a hint lol. I am cop. I checked Vayne n1. I checked Plutarch n2. Plutarch is the crab. I laugh. We lynch. ##Vote: Plutarch He is lying. You don't have any breadcrumbs do you? | ||
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On December 18 2013 02:08 Grackaroni wrote: lol what do you think made me flip-flop on Vayne. Show me crumbs. | ||
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On December 18 2013 02:10 Grackaroni wrote: that was a crumb lol. I voted Vayne day1. The next day I show up with a town tell on him and don't mention lynching him again. That is not a crumb. You are a liar and scum. die. | ||
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So as I said. We lynch Xatalos first. Then we lynch you tomorrow and prove you are the liar that you are. | ||
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On December 18 2013 02:22 Grackaroni wrote: Yeah no. I am pretty clearly not the cop. Fixed that for you. | ||
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On December 18 2013 02:22 Grackaroni wrote: I breadcrumbed my checks lol. What more did you expect? Lynch this scrub. Show me the breadcrumbs? Link me to the posts in which you crumb your checks and your results. | ||
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On December 18 2013 02:26 Grackaroni wrote: Green check Vayne Crab check Plutarch. If I died they would both be super obvious. No those are not crumbs. You need to crumb who you are checking during the night and the result. You posted those things recently and could pretty much make it up whenever. Which you did. | ||
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On December 18 2013 02:32 LSB wrote: I'm cool with Grack's claim. He did crum VA after all Here's what we do Today: Lynch Xatalos, he has claimed mafia. Please don't switch Tonight: Grack checks someone else. Tomorrow: If Grack is dead and flips blue and we lynch Plutarch. If he is alive, he reports to us his check and we can go from there It is win win for town I'm fine with this. I don't know how on earth you could believe his claim but whatever. | ||
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Here we go. He is going to claim role blocked conveniently. No-one has claimed it yet. But he will. | ||
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On December 18 2013 02:37 Alakaslam wrote: Plutarch you nutzy you have gone all over the place. First me then jjd always Grack & Xat Who is scum to you do you not have too many? Grack and Xat claimed scum. JJD is 100% scum. You are less scummy than previously due to recent developments. | ||
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On December 18 2013 02:35 LSB wrote: Mafia it is in your best interest to kill Grack, should he stay alive this will mean that he will continue confirming townies or mafia, and the serial killer can start picking you off He isn't the cop. | ||
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On December 18 2013 02:42 Artanis[Xp] wrote: I don't know what the fuck is going on but Grack's timing on the claim looks incredibly off for a townie. Will wait to see what the night kills bring. If he legitimately had a red check on me why would he not claim at the start of the day? Instead he 'crumbs' like an hour before he claims, 4 hours before deadline. This is not a legit cop claim. | ||
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On December 18 2013 02:46 Artanis[Xp] wrote: I agree it's incredibly unlikely, but I don't see a reason to jump to conclusions when the NK's will probably reveal the truth anyway. I do because he is lying about my alignment. | ||
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On December 18 2013 02:48 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Yeah I understand that and I think you're 99% obvtown, but remember from my position I don't have your role PM. That is true. | ||
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On December 18 2013 02:52 Alakaslam wrote: Scum sees two dead medics this game you were speaking in generalities you never defined this game. | ||
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On December 18 2013 02:21 Grackaroni wrote: Because he was being annoying lol. I was just going to quietly let him know that I knew. Then he wouldn't be able to kill me without revealing himself and I could get more checks. This makes no sense. Firstly; grack was annoyed at me so he claims cop and says I'm serial killer. Not because I was you know, a serial killer or because I should be lynched. No. He was annoyed. What had I done to annoy him? Caught multiple mafia... Secondly; if he was only concerned with getting more checks why is he claiming when we have a self claimed scum to lynch? Thirdly; the very things he says he stated he was saying in order to alert me to his check on me he later claims as his bread crumbs. Basically his claim is bullshit and obviously so. | ||
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On December 15 2013 05:53 Grackaroni wrote: wtf is this. I'm not voting purp. On December 15 2013 05:56 Grackaroni wrote: what a dumb day lol Gracks reaction to lynching scum day two. | ||
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On December 18 2013 03:21 Grackaroni wrote: Like that just confirms me more than anything else. Why would I act like that as scum. I could have lynched Vayne. I was annoyed with the lynch candidates so I did nothing. You couldn't have lynched vayne. Also it was a last minute switch and you didn't have time to coordinate with your buddies did you babe? | ||
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On December 18 2013 03:21 Grackaroni wrote: Like that just confirms me more than anything else. Why would I act like that as scum. I could have lynched Vayne. I was annoyed with the lynch candidates so I did nothing. Also you are resorting to wifom, tool of those who can't actually argue their position | ||
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On December 18 2013 03:24 Grackaroni wrote: You're right about the last 2. My claim was stupid. Breadcrumbs are fine. All breadcrumbs really need to do is make your checks clear. Leaving more than that is just asking for trouble. No breadcrumbs are there so that when you claim your claim is iron clad. A good breadcrumb will crumb your role (which you didn't do) Crumb your checks before the day posts (which you didn't do) and the results after it. (which you didn't do) | ||
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On December 18 2013 03:29 JarJarDrinks wrote: Gee, I wonder why you want to lynch Xat and not Grack first. Because he claimed scum and Is the consensus lynch you plebeian. | ||
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On December 18 2013 03:29 Grackaroni wrote: Well we just have different opinions on this. I don't feel like I need to make myself obvious as cop to outargue scum. If you want to use that against me that is your prerogative Crumbs don't need to be obvious. They just need to exist in a way which cannot be faked. all yours were easily faked. | ||
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On December 18 2013 03:31 Grackaroni wrote: There was absolutely no way that lynch was pushed by town. There was no reasoning for lynching Purple. I think that is becoming more and more clear from the flips so far this game. I thought about checking Xata and checked you instead. You weren't scum though you were SK. So there is absolutely no way that the first scum wagon was pushed by town? right. | ||
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On December 18 2013 03:33 Grackaroni wrote: i told you already. I have never been cop before. Look in any of my past games scum or town and you will not find me ever having a town tell on a specific player that I won't reveal which is deterring me from lynching him That doesn't stop you from being a liar with this claim. Which you are. | ||
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On December 18 2013 03:34 Grackaroni wrote: If it makes sense then it is pushed by town. There was no reasoning for him being scum and he got killed without my help. That wagon is pushed by scum. OK you are clearly an idiot. | ||
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On December 18 2013 03:44 Grackaroni wrote: herp derp. I am actually the crab and don't want people to question why no other cop has claimed. I will probably claim that Grack is VT the next day and find somebody I want to lynch more than him. Nope. I will not rest until you are a corpse. | ||
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On December 18 2013 03:44 raynpelikoneet wrote: Who's Plutarch and how do you know it? I didn't even play in that game and I can prove it if I claim my real identity. | ||
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On December 18 2013 03:50 raynpelikoneet wrote: I have given my opinion, i don't think anyone should cc you if they are the real cop and i don't think anything should be done about the situation today. If Plutach is supersoft there is something wrong in the world and in this game. LOL. I honestly thought you would have figured it out by now. | ||
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On December 18 2013 03:54 raynpelikoneet wrote: How can you EVER agree with me on a lynch. srsly dude why don't we do this sorta scumhunting every game? You know who I am? | ||
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On December 18 2013 03:58 Grackaroni wrote: Tell us Plutarch Admit you are scum and a liar and then I will. | ||
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On December 18 2013 04:00 raynpelikoneet wrote: haha.. tbh Plutarch i have a good guess but i don't really care since i figured out you are not scum.  who do you guess? You not caring breaks my heart. | ||
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On December 18 2013 04:01 Grackaroni wrote: Nah I'm not . You are probably going to survive. Everyone still seems to believe you for some reason. It's because I am town and telling the truth. And you are scum and lying and everything is a bit off. I will tell you from experience because I once fake claimed jailkeeper and bussed both my scum buddies to solo a victory as scum. And that claim was water tight and had proper crumbs. You need to plan fake claims like these. not just pull them out of your arse. (notice all these hints i'm giving) | ||
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On December 18 2013 04:05 Grackaroni wrote: I don't think people realize that SK can appear pro-town. Not as pro town as I have been. It is really hard to fake the amount of scumhunting and engagement I have shown this game. Really really hard. Just the size of my filter would be a record for third party I imagine. | ||
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On December 18 2013 04:07 Grackaroni wrote: Breadcrumbs like that are dumb. Sure I can make some breadcrumb that I am cop from the start of the day and if the scum are decent I will be night killed. You didn't look for the cop at all? No. You hide the crumbs. And no I didn't look for the cop. I looked for scum. I thought someone was the cop but I was wrong. | ||
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On December 18 2013 04:09 raynpelikoneet wrote: DarthPunk would be my best guess. <3 | ||
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On December 18 2013 04:10 Grackaroni wrote: You didn't set any records lol. I'm sure I can find 3rd parties with longer filters than yours. OK. You try and find a 3rd party with a filter of 20 pages by day three. | ||
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Why would I tell you? you are scum. And why do you care if you are actually the cop? ROFL. | ||
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On December 18 2013 04:12 Grackaroni wrote: Sure, you'd like people to believe that you are the guy that quits when he is 3rd party or when he is losing as scum. Post on that account. You don't know what you are talking about. I have never quit as scum. And I replaced out when I got survivor as you well know. Scum like to shoot me night 0 and night 1 and night 2 | ||
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On December 18 2013 04:12 Grackaroni wrote: VE had over 10 by day1 in the last game. 20 by day 3. I doubt you will find it. | ||
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On December 18 2013 04:18 raynpelikoneet wrote: I fucking knew it. Then why did you make me say it. SMH. | ||
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On December 18 2013 04:23 Blazinghand wrote: Is DP the guy who replaces out whenever he rolls 3p? One time. And it was legitimately only when I was survivor for the second time in like 3 games which is a dumb role. If people really want to drop my win percentage for that that is sad. | ||
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On December 18 2013 04:26 Grackaroni wrote: If I was mafia I'd be trolling right now. You're life is a lie and your claim was a troll. | ||
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On December 18 2013 04:12 Grackaroni wrote: Sure, you'd like people to believe that you are the guy that quits when he is 3rd party or when he is losing as scum. Post on that account. I'd like you to link where people said this please. | ||
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On December 18 2013 04:29 Grackaroni wrote: Hey if BH had the same thought as me it can't be that farfetched. I cannot vouch for the validity of this statement. Blazinghand is a troll who mentored me in my newbies and whom I love sometimes. You were just rude. | ||
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On December 18 2013 04:28 Grackaroni wrote: DP is doing everything he can to discredit my claim and I'm still here explaining my actions. You don't have a choice. Your whole scum team is revealed. | ||
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On December 18 2013 04:32 Xatalos wrote: Although if Plutarch isn't SK then why isn't he willing to lynch Grack? Whatever, it'll be resolved with the night actions What? clearly I want to lynch grack. There is no point switching from one mafia everyone is sure of to another I am only sure of. Not worth the sure thing lynch. Your scum buddy JJD made the same stupid argument. lel. | ||
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On December 18 2013 04:35 Xatalos wrote: The difference is that if Grack actually is Cop, you're screwed if he flips? I'm a bit puzzled by your preference to lynch me... whatever lel look at the scum team come together to try and take me down. How adorable and futile. | ||
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On December 18 2013 04:37 [UoN]Sentinel wrote: You are only notified if you have some blockable action. Permanent Wow that is OP. | ||
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On December 18 2013 04:39 Grackaroni wrote: I'm pretty sure I'm voting Xatalos lol. And I tried to kill him yesterday too. And yet he and JJD are trying to discredit me as much as possible. Cute. | ||
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On December 18 2013 04:40 Grackaroni wrote: Yeah I thought that was why he chose to claim a name now when he had the check on him rather than before when everybody wanted him to claim. I claimed because rayn guessed and then you were rude as shit to me. | ||
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Rayn guessed. What does it matter who I turned out to be anyway? Clearly I was a very strong player regardless of 'who I was.' | ||
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On December 18 2013 04:45 raynpelikoneet wrote: lol the "townies" telling scum how to play and scummers believing them. Seems legit Grack and Xata. <3 Hue. | ||
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On December 18 2013 04:45 Grackaroni wrote: because I didn't think that wagon was a town wagon because Purple got lynched for no reason. The entire situation flipped when he jumped on board so I accredited it to him. So you checked me cause I got the wagon going on scum. Seems legit. | ||
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On December 18 2013 04:45 Grackaroni wrote: because I didn't think that wagon was a town wagon because Purple got lynched for no reason. The entire situation flipped when he jumped on board so I accredited it to him. Purple had a case on him by rayn that was convincing and boy do I love me some rayn so I moved the wagon for him. | ||
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On December 18 2013 04:46 Xatalos wrote: I blame OP Medics GG You trying to be hapa is cute. Did you play in Liquid City? I forget. | ||
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On December 18 2013 04:47 Grackaroni wrote: I will probably be checking you tonight. Which real medic thinks like this? Honestly. Let's check the obv town who is almost certainly dead. | ||
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On December 18 2013 04:48 JarJarDrinks wrote: See, this how you can tell Plu is lying. Unless you believe that he's completely stupid and doesn't understand simple math. - We're @ 7/3/1. - We Lynch Xat today and go to 7/2/1 - Assuming 2 townies die tonight it goes to 5/2/1 - Now if we lynch Grack and he's the cop, it goes to 4/2/1 - 2 NKs make it 2/2/1 Him Saying is him claiming SK. Like is there a bigger scumtell than saying "Just lynch this guy. If he's town then U can lynch me tomorrow." Plu seems rasonably intelligent. Why would he make this statement when he knows that if grack is telling the truth and we lynch him, we lose? So this is why you guys went all in on a fake cop claim. If I am town and you lynch me we lose. | ||
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On December 18 2013 04:50 raynpelikoneet wrote: And how does this make sense? He'll lose in your scenario 100%. And what would he say if he is town? Exactly. this reasoning to make me SK assumes my win condition is towns win condition. Game. Set. Match. Scum slip. | ||
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On December 18 2013 04:51 Xatalos wrote: No, and that wasn't a quote. Earlier I quoted VA's "scumclaim" though Oh really. The seal thing came from Liquid City when hapa was confirmed scum due to a paramedic. T own got two. The first got marv, the second hapa. Naturally the entire scum team complained about OP paramedics. So when you said OP medics along with the seal thing I thought Liquid City. | ||
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On December 18 2013 04:55 raynpelikoneet wrote: I strongly believe 3 mafia just claimed mafia in this game. rofl. yep. We are a good team bro. | ||
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On December 18 2013 04:59 JarJarDrinks wrote: Well he pretty much lost as soon as Grack claimed. But he doesn't lose 100% in this scenario. He can tie or he can win if town plays kingmaker. He would try his darndest to get Grack Lynched TODAY. This way everything is cleared up and we have scum to lynch tomorrow. The longer he keeps Grack alive, the more likely he makes it to the endgame. And yet you are saying that I am sk cause I want to lynch grack TOMORROW. Rather than myself. Seems like all you two care about is a townie dying. Me being that townie. | ||
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On December 18 2013 04:58 Xatalos wrote: The seal picture is from here: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=423047¤tpage=99#1969 Dunno about the OP Medic thing, just popped into my mind Yeah It is a meme that started in that game. You are probably complaining about medics cause I got medic saved twice in a row and proceeded to dump on your entire scum team. Just a guess. | ||
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On December 18 2013 05:07 JarJarDrinks wrote: Of course. If we lynch Grack today, you will be lynched tomorrow and you will lose the game. If we lynch Grack tomorrow, U have a shot. See and this is why Ur SK. Cause u know my analysis above is correct and you're pretending you don't. If we lynch grack tomorrow if I am the serial killer I get lynched the following day and lose. But If I am town and we lynch grack tomorrow town almost certainly wins. Everyone should know I cannot be mafia at this point. So the only way I can win the game is by achieving the town win condition and lynching grack. The only way scum can win is by lynching me. If I was serial killer and was actually caught, then the only thing I could do was king-make. And let's be honest I would king-make town because scum have played awfully. This being said. You will never mislynch me regardless because grack is not the cop and the cop will be smart enough to claim if I am ever in danger of being lynched. So ggyo. This fight is over me arguing well enough to prevent the real cop having to claim. You (Grack, Xat, Purp, JJD) Lose. | ||
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On December 18 2013 05:16 Grackaroni wrote: You do not account for the Serial Killer in that post lol. LOL Because the serial killer isn't me and that is the only version of the serial killer I accounted for! Scumslip. | ||
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On December 18 2013 05:18 raynpelikoneet wrote: This game reminds me of Thug life. I didn't read that game. Did three scum all claim mafia day 3? | ||
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On December 18 2013 05:20 Grackaroni wrote: No you said the game is over once we lynch Grack/Xat/Purp/JJD. And it shouldn't be from your perspective because you still could lose to the SK. No you said I didn't account for the serial killer implying it wasn't me. And at this point watching the entire scum team die would be victory enough. But town would have a cop and it should become fairly obvious. | ||
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On December 18 2013 05:20 raynpelikoneet wrote: They claimed every day. 5/6 scum claimed scum and the only one who didn't was shot by scum. Wow. I have to admire grack for sticking with it this game. Even though Him and JJD are slipping quite a bit now. | ||
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On December 18 2013 05:22 JarJarDrinks wrote: NO. And you know this isn't true so stop lying. I already explained but if this is the case then on the next day it likely becomes: 2 town 2 scum 1 SK We cant lynch you or we lose. So please explain why you're lying. I would still lose as the SK cause town would lynch me. You keep making these arguments based on my true, town, win condition and then calling me the sk. Really dumb. | ||
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On December 18 2013 05:25 raynpelikoneet wrote: Actually that's not true if that was the situation because at this point town needs to lynch mafia. That is true but he also assumes the SK would be shooting town which I don;t think is true at this point either. Regardless there is a CC out there if I need it so I am not worried. Obviously it would be preferable if it was not needed. | ||
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On December 18 2013 05:25 LSB wrote: I just want Xata to flip. For all we know he is going to flip black/green and then everyone sits on their hands and wonders what happens Wat? | ||
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On December 18 2013 05:28 JarJarDrinks wrote: I've pointed this out 3 times and Plu just keeps repeating the same lie . Do you honestly believe that Plu doesn't understand this? You must have no respect for his game if you think he's just being dumb. I honestly just haven't thought a lot about night kills or the SK win condition. Too busy catching your whole scum team. Hue. | ||
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On December 18 2013 05:33 Grackaroni wrote: Lol you are the one trying to sell this off as a valid mafia strategy. You are boring now. You will get counterclaimed at the end of the night. Cop you have to counterclaim at the very end of the night. If Mafia snipe you and use their hide Role+Alignment ability on you town could lose. | ||
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On December 18 2013 05:36 raynpelikoneet wrote: No, don't claim during the night. There is no need to. They have to at the end of the night. If mafia kills them and hide their role it could be gg as no CC would occur. | ||
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On December 18 2013 05:36 JarJarDrinks wrote: OK, now that I've shot down your entire argument so hard that the best defense you can come up with is "Golly gee, I guess I just wasn't paying attention" I will state again that the only way Grack gets voted off tomorrow is if he gets countered. Anyone that thinks that keeping the cop secret when it could mean the town losing the game is not interested in winning. Yep. Fine. You still scum. | ||
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On December 18 2013 05:39 Alakaslam wrote: Why is jjd scum? Cause read the thread. | ||
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On December 18 2013 05:45 JarJarDrinks wrote: Why would Grack make this play as scum? To save someone that claimed scum? Think, people! Cause you only need one mislynch to win? and you were in the shit so you went for a gambit. Pretty obvious. and he is getting counterclaimed so further discussion is pointless now you outed yourselves completely. | ||
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On December 18 2013 05:51 Blazinghand wrote: I gotta admit I'm pretty disappointed we are not lynching x x who wants to swap Oh you. | ||
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On December 18 2013 05:51 JarJarDrinks wrote: Can you just admit that this is a lie now to save me the time it will take to prove you wrong, have you deny that I proved you wrong 3 times, and then eventually admit I was right and then u can claim "Golly gee, I guess I just wasn't paying attention"? If town mislynches we are pretty much done. I don't care about the pedantry of it. So no. | ||
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On December 18 2013 05:56 Blazinghand wrote: what was wrong with my post God I hope you come through for town If you live. | ||
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On December 18 2013 05:57 Xatalos wrote: So who do you think is SK Plutarch? Weirdly enough you haven't talked about that at all in a long time? Yeha. Been a bit busy ya know. I'd actually say Xigxag. Sidesprang seems town, Slam is probs town, BH, Rayn, Artanis, myself are all town. LSB could be SK or Xigxag | ||
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On December 18 2013 05:59 JarJarDrinks wrote: OK, that's twice now that you lied, were proven wrong, and admitted it. So I ask again: Because he is desperate or bad or both. Why would he do it as town? He could have said nothing, got another check off I would not have been night killed like scum planned in thread and bam easy lynch. Why a real cop check me night two after I was a major contributor to lynching scum? Why would a real cop not claim until 4 hours before the lynch? Why would a real cop place breadcrumbs 1 hour before he claims? | ||
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On December 18 2013 06:04 Blazinghand wrote: tmr we lynch x x No. Stop being bad. | ||
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On December 18 2013 06:05 Grackaroni wrote: Because I wasn't going to claim and then I got annoyed with your response and decided I'd just lynch you. It's all been explained. It was rhetorical. A real cop would not do any of those things. You don't need to answer me scum. | ||
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On December 18 2013 06:06 Grackaroni wrote: A real cop just did all of those things. I don;t see why you bother when you are going to get counter claimed. | ||
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On December 18 2013 06:08 Grackaroni wrote: lol are you going to counter claim me? No. I'm not the cop. | ||
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On December 18 2013 06:20 JarJarDrinks wrote: Keep laying it on thick so u can act real surprised when it doesn't happen. I'm bored with you scummers. I will come back when the real cop counter claims. Catch ya! | ||
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On December 18 2013 12:12 LSB wrote: I doubt Xigxag is mafia considering how hard Xata was pushing him, even when he was under little pressure Of course he is not mafia. JJD and Grack are mafia. | ||
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On December 18 2013 12:19 JarJarDrinks wrote: Wait, Ur not gonna push Gracks lynch regardless? Seems like a wierd statement to make about someone that you know for a fact is scum. Not really. I just want to make sure grack doesn't pull any shenanigans and does not 'check' anyone other than who we say. :D It's ok JJD we are getting a counter claim soon and then I will lynch grack and then you :D | ||
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On December 18 2013 12:55 Grackaroni wrote: Also I will check who I want. No you will check who town tells you. | ||
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On December 18 2013 13:04 LSB wrote: And you want me to explain why I think you are doing power plays? Who are you talking about? | ||
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On December 18 2013 13:11 Grackaroni wrote: Yeah he wanted you to explain that LSB. You really shouldn't care who I check Plutarch. I just want you to check who town requests so that you can't manipulate anything behind the scenes. It really should not be a problem for you to just check who confirmed town blazinghand requests. | ||
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I really want to know how you are going to squirm out of this when you get counter claimed. Hue. You are so good at this game grack. I hear suicide is a legit scum strat. | ||
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On December 18 2013 13:20 Grackaroni wrote: If you just claimed I might be inclined to work with you just for the hell of it lol. WTF? Claim scum more bro. | ||
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Dat scum claim. | ||
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Yet another scum claim. Just give up. Save yourself the effort and the embarrassment. The outcome of your fake claim is a forgone conclusion. | ||
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On December 18 2013 13:27 Grackaroni wrote: But if you really feel the need to prove yourself, tell me: What VT would worry about me manipulating checks when I'm already set to vote you tomorrow regardless. It only matters who I check if I'm actually a cop and get confirmed by your flip. No. I don't know what you could be planning. It is well known to good players that in a disputed claim such as this town decides the checks. For the good of the land. | ||
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On December 18 2013 13:31 Grackaroni wrote: *Calls other bad and rages when people accuse of him of quitting" -Darthpunk Irrelevant and personal. Also untrue, Apart from calling bad players bad. I do do that. | ||
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On December 18 2013 13:33 Grackaroni wrote: That's not the point lol. If I'm not a cop why would you care who I check. my vote is going to be on your tomorrow regardless of who I would be "checking" and then I would be proven false after your flip. That is how you slipped. No the point is that you do what town says. I know you are a liar but the rest of the town doesn't so to prevent any manipulation or in case I am lying I want you to listen to the town. This prevents things like saying you will check someone and then night killing that person. But if we tell you to check Xigxag and you night kill them then that is fine. Almost like a vig shot. | ||
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On December 18 2013 13:37 Grackaroni wrote: Nobody told me to check Plutarch and look how that worked out. Lol you fake claimed. God you are annoying. | ||
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On December 18 2013 15:45 LSB wrote: Guess you arent hapa Are you seriously not even reading the thread? | ||
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On December 18 2013 16:13 LSB wrote: I miss a few pages here and there More than a few it seems. | ||
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If I die: Grack will be confirmed scum. Lynch him next. JJD is scum lynch him after grack, My guess at SK is LSB unless something changes. | ||
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On December 19 2013 04:14 raynpelikoneet wrote: Of course. Also there is the possibilty scum have the janitor role, that can make things complicated. This to. Trust me guys, Rayn is town. Mafia is Grack and JJD. They are really obvious | ||
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On December 19 2013 04:04 Grackaroni wrote: I would sit there and change the kill the minute before the deadline. muahahahahha Don't know how grack can repeatedly claim scum and town is all like 'well he is probably the cop' lel. He is so clearly scum. | ||
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On December 19 2013 04:45 Blazinghand wrote: I actually think there's also a non-trivial chance, btw, that both plutarch AND grack are lying. The scumteam shot Plutarch, the nk-immune SK, and so they know he's the SK. They can only kill him with a lynch. Grack claims cop with an SK check on Plu. We lynch Plu, he flips SK, now we all think Grack is the cop. Grack claims a redcheck on someone else, wam bam thank you ma'am ez win for scum I got medic protected twice in a row. But sure If I'm still alive and I don't catch the serial killer by lylo then town should consider lynching me. | ||
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On December 19 2013 04:49 Blazinghand wrote: oh, I didn't see the crumbs. I just assumed the medics were protecting me, the confirmed town and best player in this game, but I could be wrong Lol Blazinghand how about the third best player in the game at best. Clearly you aren't even reading the thread. Hue. | ||
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On December 19 2013 04:57 Blazinghand wrote: so where are theese medic crumbs? Go read holyflares filter. I didn't actually see a crumb from kush but as I know scum shot me twice and I know I am vanilla town I know he medic protected me. | ||
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On December 19 2013 04:59 Blazinghand wrote: yeah i'm mor ethinking about last night, I figured I was the one protected as the conftown and best player in game Sorry blazinghand but you are not the best player in the game. Why do you keep saying that. It is annoying. | ||
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No. Please read the game. I read through Xatalos' filter and he says something like. "Well as the medic is dead scum are going to kill plutarch tonight" | ||
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On December 19 2013 05:04 Blazinghand wrote: So you don't know that you got shot, you have the word of a dead scum player to back up the possibility that you were shot. I think it is pretty obvious. Xatalos said that scum were shooting plu before he was caught. Then scum misses their second shot and xatalos whinges about medics being OP and tries to coordinate my death AGAIN with the sk. | ||
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On December 19 2013 05:07 Blazinghand wrote: XigXag has a pretty good chance of flipping town. I strongly recommend against lynching him. We're past the time for a policy lynch; we missed our opportunity. If he's scum, we lose, if he's town, we have a chance to win. That's all we can do. i agree with this. if he was anti town he would have been modkilled. | ||
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On December 19 2013 05:11 Artanis[Xp] wrote: I already see plenty of talk on them and all these scenarios flying around. I think flips will give us a lot of clarity. If Plutarch flips then the decision is already made. If he doesn't, then presuming a CC comes we'll have so much more information then than we do now that I see little reason to speculate about it right now. If no CC comes that's a ton of information too. If someone counter claims we MUST LYNCH GRACK. ok no discussion no anything we just LYNCH GRACK BECAUSE HE IS CONFIRMED SCUM. | ||
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On December 19 2013 05:12 Blazinghand wrote: barring some weird cases with like scum and sk shooting each other I believe so, yes. How convenient for a fake claiming cop. if town wasn't in MYLO this would not be worth it for scum to fake claim. | ||
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What in the actual fuck. It makes no sense. Like this guy is so OBVIOUSLY scum. | ||
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On December 19 2013 05:20 Grackaroni wrote: What have you done to help the town Plutarch? Show me why JJD is scum. All you've done is fling shit in his direction for supporting my claim. Caught three scum and was a major contributor in getting the fourth lynched. Hue. | ||
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On December 19 2013 05:22 Grackaroni wrote: I haven't been paying attention. You are referring to the "Lets sheep rayn because I don't know what I'm doing" and the "hmmm seals typically come from scum players"? Xatalos claimed scum because he knew I had caught him and would get him lynched. Why am I even bothering. You scum. You know how hard I wrecked your team. :D | ||
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On December 19 2013 05:25 Grackaroni wrote: Yes. You are only considering it from the point of view of a cop. Not from the point of view of scum. If I was scum there is nothing stopping me from switching that vote. Because you are a claimed cop and your story doesn't make sense from a cop with a green check. Only from a retarded scum. | ||
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On December 19 2013 05:32 JarJarDrinks wrote: Then Ur terrible @ this game. Here is the other scum leaping to the defense of his buddy. How many times will he claim scum today? Stay tuned to find out! | ||
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On December 19 2013 05:35 JarJarDrinks wrote: Keep laying in on. I cant to see how you fake your shock when there's no counterclaim. Ah but there has to be. You see I have this PM that says vanilla town. So I am 100% confident in a counter claim. | ||
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On December 19 2013 05:39 Blazinghand wrote: given the lack of a host injuction against sharing it plz share grack He is scum you can't trust him. | ||
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On December 19 2013 05:40 Grackaroni wrote: Btw I'm not the cop. Cop don't claim! I'm all anti-SK now. HAHAHHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH. Told you. SCummmmmmmmer | ||
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