II Titanic Mini Mafia

On December 05 2013 20:13 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
I won't have much time before monday to spend on this game, so I'd prefer it to start then.

On December 10 2013 10:10 Holyflare wrote:



I really really do not like this post as an entry post:

A) Sheeps everthing I have mentioned on Cora.
B) Uses a big chunk of his entry post saying why cora is displaying mafia associated traits but won't vote him yet?
C) Mentions Xatalos in a completely non-inquisitive manner, no justification on a read based on Xan's posts or anything.

On December 10 2013 08:32 Spaghetticus wrote:
I am not shifting my vote until slam does something useful to make up for his spam. I'm giving him until 6pm my time (7.5 hours from now) to do so or my vote is not changing at all regardless of anything that comes afterwards.

Pressure? yes.
Policy? yes.
Serious? yes.

On December 10 2013 07:10 Xatalos wrote:


Well, that's one way to look at it. The other is that I'm always relatively aggressive as town.

On December 10 2013 07:30 Xatalos wrote:


Hard to say. I'd say slightly leaning town based on the fact that you're apparently trying to unravel my alignment. But I think you're a veteran player? How many games have you played? In that sense, it could possibly be almost anything.

On December 10 2013 07:36 Xatalos wrote:


OK. Well, it's definitely possible that this is a "play" to get town credit. But then again, the more likely scenario is that you're town and trying to figure out the game. Your experience makes the former option more likely, but still less likely than the later option, I'd say.

On December 10 2013 08:09 Xatalos wrote:


These are definitely some good points. It's surely premature to declare Corazon as today's lynch, but it would be a good pick in the current situation.

I dislike Artanis's dismissal of Corazon's play as well, but I doubt Artanis and Corazon would be scum together. It would seem risky to make a connection like that. That's WIFOM, though.

On December 10 2013 08:16 Xatalos wrote:


Judging by his vote, probably scummy. But it could be just an empty vote, I guess.

On December 10 2013 08:25 Xatalos wrote:


I think you're being suicidal if you're scum, so it's a bit more likely that you're town, but overall somewhat null so far.

On December 10 2013 14:05 JarJarDrinks wrote:

Very scummy post. You're actually saying that you may sit on your vote regardless of what happens in the thread? Basically giving yourself an built-in excuse to make your vote not matter (and unable to be analyzed) if slam isn't one of the leading wagons?

On December 10 2013 09:42 sidesprang wrote:
And lastly he asked for people to vote for him if they found him scummy, which is very Anti-Town.

On December 11 2013 00:30 Spaghetticus wrote:
Why do you think it more scummy that I would policy vote scummy play, than someone effortfully attempting to break the too scummy to be scum barrier?

On December 11 2013 00:46 Spaghetticus wrote:


I don't see the issue. Well... I see it, but I don't see why you see it as such a big deal. It's sort of a minor offense, considering the caliber of misdemeanor hoodie-swaggering around the thread.

On December 11 2013 01:17 Spaghetticus wrote:


Your play, you are niggling over and over on a thing that doesn't feel right to you. You are self confident in a non-scum way "lol look at him squirm" since inciting a big fight with a townie is counter productive to scum agenda and I am a big fan of your answer when I asked you why you didn't build up a case you didn't flounder you simply stated that you didn't know what was right, only what was wrong. It suggested someone who was objectively reading cases and, if they had an issue with that case, making the issue known. All in all it seems likely that you are town. If you are scum you are one of the top scum players I've ever seen. So I'm going to assume that ockham had it right and you are town.

+ Show Spoiler +

On December 11 2013 01:49 Spaghetticus wrote:
Yes, but if I'm scum I'll be even more accountable once I've actually committed an action like that, and you have more chance of catching me.

On December 11 2013 01:49 Spaghetticus wrote:
I think it's fair to say that the bulk of your contribution is getting me to explain some meaningless D1 play. You're a more experienced player than I, what would your opinion be if someone else had done the same as you have? Would you think them red?

On December 11 2013 01:49 Spaghetticus wrote:
Do you think me red? If so, have you any reason other than the possibility that I was looking to negate my vote?

[B]On December 11 2013 01:49 Spaghetticus wrote:[/B
]Do you have any other reads?

On December 11 2013 02:14 Spaghetticus wrote:


Really? You don't think a 10post filter scummy at this point? You don't think zeroing in on one relevant but minor detail for half of these isn't worth talking about?

You've made other reads? Would you mind copy-pasting them in their entirety for dramatic effect? (it shouldn't take long)

On December 11 2013 02:44 kushm4sta wrote:
another post from bum with 0 town indicative content.
Why is speghetti scum?

On December 11 2013 00:31 JarJarDrinks wrote:

OK this sentence just reeks of a scum mindset w/ the knowledge that cora is town. Because yes, asking someone to vote for yourself is anti-town when you are actually town. But if you're scum then it's just a kinda dumb, ballsy move. But it isn't anti-town.

On December 11 2013 03:56 kushm4sta wrote:


i think it's equally dumb as either alignment, 100% alignment neutral. What is your point sir?

btw voting you now based on on your scummy posting pattern.
Also you bring up your shit point and want people to comment on it like its gold.

##unvote
##vote jarjar

On December 11 2013 04:15 raynpelikoneet wrote:
JJD i don't think that's alignment indicative. Mafia can be (and actually is) anti-town too.
What do you think of Grack & purple?

On December 11 2013 05:26 VayneAuthority wrote:
remember that pandain is in college and probably taking finals right now, so I expect him to be pretty afk regardless of alignment

On December 11 2013 05:37 sidesprang wrote:


Exactly I currently view everyone as town, people have done scummy things. But no one are scum In my eyes yet, if so I would have voted for em. So why I would phrase that in any other way I really do not know, and tbh you just seem desperate to find something that is not there.

On December 10 2013 09:42 sidesprang wrote:
And lastly he asked for people to vote for him if they found him scummy, which is very Anti-Town.

On December 11 2013 23:59 Spaghetticus wrote:


Also typical of my style. See every game in my filter ever.

On December 12 2013 00:27 Spaghetticus wrote:
Shit JarJar that's pathetic.

Maybe if you twist my words just a little I'll just come out and say "I'm scum"

There is a difference between who I think is town and who I think others think are town. That this is what sways your vote is disappointing. Why not look at Pluto's meta-case, that's a lot more convincing.

Srsly, I'd FOS you bit I'm running out of fingers. Logic plz.

On December 12 2013 00:36 Spaghetticus wrote:
It's also worth noting that he came out of the woodwork when shit got real. He had every opportunity to remain wildcard.

On December 12 2013 01:09 Spaghetticus wrote:
The way I played that game was really bad. It's my only game as scum, you think I wouldn't adjust my style? I didn't stand a chance!

On December 12 2013 02:14 VayneAuthority wrote:
I have one goal today and one goal only. If you think I would help town get rid of alakaslam as scum I can't help you.

On December 12 2013 02:41 kushm4sta wrote:


So you would never push a mislynch on slam because he is so bad for town, but you would nk him??/ that makes no sense.

On December 12 2013 02:29 VayneAuthority wrote:


because I would never, ever help town get rid of somebody so detrimental to town. He adds another scumplayer to my team, why would I want to get rid of him ever? I could just sheep you on spag or something dumb like that. I know exactly what it looks like.

On December 12 2013 02:29 VayneAuthority wrote:


because I would never, ever help town get rid of somebody so detrimental to town. He adds another scumplayer to my team, why would I want to get rid of him ever? I could just sheep you on spag or something dumb like that. I know exactly what it looks like.

On December 12 2013 02:33 VayneAuthority wrote:


Yea he was one of the first to want to lynch Slam so I have him as town until further notice.

On December 12 2013 03:39 Plutarch wrote:
I don't think Vsynr contradicting himself like that means he has to be scum. I think it is a null tell.

On December 12 2013 02:53 kushm4sta wrote:
@rayn I'm back to townreading spghetti.
That he has one of the longer filters in the game makes him lean town.
Also I think it's not so much that he hasn't gotten into this game, but more like he thinks he is so awesome now for getting nk on night 1 that he doesn't even have to try. That is indicated by this quote:

So that's why he is active but sucks hard compared to previous towngames.

On December 12 2013 03:52 VayneAuthority wrote:


I don't think you realize the difference between pushing somebody in thread and night killing them. Hint: one can be seen by everybody, the other cannot.

Lmao

On December 12 2013 05:11 purpletrator wrote:
before slam gets too far, active lurkers (theres gotta be like 10 of us), who is scummier, cora or spag?

On December 12 2013 05:32 raynpelikoneet wrote:

So who do you suggest is scum then if that's the case?

On December 12 2013 05:35 Alakaslam wrote:

They are scum together. I can switch to vayneauthority I it would make you comfortable but believe me spag is scummier. Vayneauthority might just be SK actually.

On December 12 2013 05:46 raynpelikoneet wrote:
At least Vayne was able to say he thinks me and kush are scum.
Spag didn't get that far with ~100 posts.

On December 12 2013 05:49 raynpelikoneet wrote:

Actually he didn't really start playing rofl.
He threw a personal attack on me and idk what to kush.

On December 12 2013 05:52 Xatalos wrote:


I read through pretty fast. Gonna reread that portion.

On December 12 2013 04:26 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Here is another one.


... i really don't get it.. i really don't...

On December 12 2013 03:36 JarJarDrinks wrote:
Also, I think this is a slip:



Then when rayn calls him out about it, he says:

A few moments earlier when kush asked him what he thought of spag and cora, he refused to answer. Why not say you have a townread on someone that is picking up votes? It only became something he was willing to discuss to cover up his slip.


and yes I realize that this likely makes spag town.

On December 12 2013 06:15 Xatalos wrote:


Not really at the moment.

On December 12 2013 03:54 JarJarDrinks wrote:

what happened?

On December 12 2013 06:23 JarJarDrinks wrote:
Kush, please answer this when you return.

On December 11 2013 23:58 kushm4sta wrote:
that case was too fucked up for speghetti to be scum I think

On December 12 2013 00:02 kushm4sta wrote:
I think scum are going to make more obvious cases and attack generalized scumtells, like wishy washiness. Or they would go after players like alakaslam or purple (easy targets). Speghetti's case is just odd and I can't see scum ever making it.

On December 12 2013 01:48 kushm4sta wrote:
rayn i see what you are saying about spaghetti. i think he is just off this game. He already said he's not invested yet. My read is pretty thin so it's more of a hunch.

Anyone read corazon's last post? The ratio of size to content of that post is the highest in the game.

On December 12 2013 02:53 kushm4sta wrote:
@rayn I'm back to townreading spghetti.
That he has one of the longer filters in the game makes him lean town.
Also I think it's not so much that he hasn't gotten into this game, but more like he thinks he is so awesome now for getting nk on night 1 that he doesn't even have to try. That is indicated by this quote:

So that's why he is active but sucks hard compared to previous towngames.

On December 12 2013 12:58 Plutarch wrote:


A little. He seemed to bandwagon easily and without much justification at the end of the day.

On December 12 2013 10:59 kushm4sta wrote:


blame rayn

On December 12 2013 13:02 VayneAuthority wrote:
Do you know of his meta btw? He likes to tunnel people as scum. I have confirmation bias so look at it objectively and see if you find him tunneling me then not giving a shit about the lynch once it's clear that me or spag is lynched. He doesn't try to argue that I should be lynched at all after a certain point, just let's it happen.

On December 12 2013 05:30 JarJarDrinks wrote:
I really don't like all this movement to Spag as soon as Vayne has the vote lead. Pretty sure scum is trying to keep vayne alive. Which would make spag town.

On December 12 2013 05:38 JarJarDrinks wrote:
Vayne basically scumslipped that Spag is town. A Scum Vayne means that Spag is p much confirmed town.

On December 12 2013 05:48 JarJarDrinks wrote:
Yeah, after Vayne was close to getting lynched, he dedided to start playing the game. Even though he told us he wasn't gonna do anything else besides try to get slam lynched.

On December 12 2013 05:51 JarJarDrinks wrote:

Yeah, no clue why he chose you and kush and not me when all 3 of us pointed out his contradiction. Kush hadn't even voted for him yet.

On December 12 2013 05:55 JarJarDrinks wrote:

ALso this:

On December 12 2013 05:58 JarJarDrinks wrote:

And the last part of the Vayne Case. How does he know that scum could just sheep the Spag vote w/o knowing what spags alignment is?

On December 12 2013 13:08 Plutarch wrote:


He also afk's as scum as you should well know by being scum with him in Les Mafia.

On December 12 2013 13:05 bumatlarge wrote:
I was on the Vayne train, but I couldn't convince myself after reading this.



I think contradictions are awesome to find, but comparing these two is reaching. Hard. Even if Vayne felt two different ways about the way he plays in two different posts, you need to build off that to actually get a read. I know JJD was against policy lynching slam, but I found this vote very telling that he is willing to do so if it gives him an easier explanation.

I thought it would be worth pointing out

On December 12 2013 07:02 VayneAuthority wrote:
To be clear we don't have time to waste on alakaslam now so I'm ignoring him from now on scum or not. Real game starts after the flip tomorrow, see you then.

On December 10 2013 09:15 VayneAuthority wrote:
I would rather enjoy myself and lose then not enjoy it, hence why I am voting you alakaslam, scum or not. I do not care about lynching scum if im not having fun in the first place, that comes first.

On December 12 2013 13:36 Plutarch wrote:
Do you believe only scum contradict themselves?

On November 24 2013 07:11 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
II Titanic Mini Mafia: Possible Roles

13 UED Forces (Town) - win when SK and scum are dead

Civilian (Vanilla Townie)

-You are living the UED life! Except you have only 40 hitpoints, no armor, and no means of attack. Still, strength in numbers, and when you identify a potential Zerg, one of your more well-armed buddies can kill him. What's that? They all got lynched and/or nightkilled? Well you... somehow still can do it. Kick the target in the nuts or something.

You have voting rights and no other power. You win with town.

Medic (Doctor)

-You have a doctorate from MIT (Mar Sara Institute of Technology). It's actually a doctorate in art history, but your patients don't need to know that. Besides, you're not a doctor. A doctor heals people, a medic just makes them feel more comfortable when they die.

Luckily your optimism can save lives occasionally. Every night you can visit someone and save them from any and all killing actions for that night. You cannot target the same person twice, and you cannot target yourself.

Alexei Stukov (Alignment Cop)

-You're the only one who knows what's going on and is willing to take risks to find out more. Every night you can check to see if a player is UED or Zerg or Crab. Simple as that.

Gerard Dugalle (Vigilante)

-You are the admiral of the entire Terran Navy and you can unleash the fury of the UED onto anyone you wish. Unfortunately the Titanic people don't allow weapons (or battlecruisers) on board, so all you have is an unloaded pistol and a bullet shoved up your ass.

During the night you may choose to fire your ass-bullet and kill someone (PM-based, not in-thread).

4 Zerg (Scum) - win when they outnumber town or nothing can stop that from happening, and when SK is dead

Samir Duran (Godfather)

-You are a cool guy who the UED doesn't suspect. Luckily Stukov doesn't know you're a smelly Zerg yet and will think you're town if he checks. Work with your team to kill everyone who isn't you.

Jim Raynor (Roleblocker)

-You're not a Zerg, but you sure as hell hate the UED. Or actually you don't, but Kerrigan is a master at pussywhipping, so you just tag along with her shenanigans and think (because you're told to) you hate the UED.

Once per night you can silence a player since you're human looking enough to convince them to put the gun/medicgun/magnifying glass down.

Infested Kerrigan (Janitor)

-You run the show and the UED doesn't know it yet. You have three abilities and can only use one of them during the entire game.

You can Cloak, which hides the role and alignment flip for that night's mafia kill since they are invisible (that is, nothing other than the name will be revealed to the town). Or, you can Ensnare, which is an undetectable roleblock (Ensnare slows down brain speed, so the target doesn't realize they're ensnared). Finally you can opt to cast Psionic Storm, which has a 50% chance to kill the target, depending on if they can dodge the storm fast enough. You will be notified if Psi Storm hits or misses.

Zergling (Goon)

-You are a zergling with no interesting powers. Except being mafia, that's pretty cool.

1 Sebastian the Crab (Serial Killer) - win when everyone else is dead

-You are a crab that likes to sing songs and has an obsession with how awesome it is under the sea. In fact, so awesome, that you want everyone to go down with the ship. Every night you can use your giant crabclaws to kill someone.

You may choose at the beginning of the game to be one of the following but not both by PMing the hosts:

1. Because you are a cute and cuddly crab, nobody suspects you of being Zerg (because you're not a Zerg, you're a crab), and you flip town to alignment checks. However your cuddliness makes you susceptible to Zerg claws.

2. You are immune to the night-kill because your carapace withstands Zerg claws, but not to the night-vig because an assbullet actually pierces your shell which scatters the fragments within your body and makes you die of severe internal bleeding. However you are no longer cute and cuddly and will flip SK.

On December 12 2013 22:45 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Well that's quite a stretch JJD.
Why would someone lie about being a mason in a game where there are no masons?

On December 12 2013 22:48 Holyflare wrote:
It's a running joke from LXIII where grack said he masoned coag and he didn't.

On December 12 2013 21:19 Xatalos wrote:
Wait a second...

Kush actually wanted to lynch VA.

Why the heck did he end up lynching his townread Spag?

This definitely doesn't look good.

On December 13 2013 00:06 Corazon wrote:
Maybe it's because I have to deal with people like you who kill my will of playing with stupid accusations that I get pestered with all game

On December 12 2013 13:40 JarJarDrinks wrote:
So when you said this:what did you mean exactly?

I guess now you don't care about having fun?

On December 13 2013 00:43 Holyflare wrote:


That's why he is scum and knows that I am town.

On December 13 2013 00:58 JarJarDrinks wrote:
I just can't get past the fact that this is just how he plays as town.

On December 13 2013 01:54 Corazon wrote:
Why don't you actually read the bullshit that HF writes instead of just nodding your head and agreeing. Read it.

On December 13 2013 01:54 Corazon wrote:
If I said right now that HF was scum, you guys would say that I am OMGUSing. When you say that it's weird I call him confirmation-biased, you are putting me into a box.

On December 13 2013 01:54 Corazon wrote:
Do you guys think I'm an asset to town with my usual play?

On December 13 2013 02:44 Corazon wrote:
I thought my notes were up to page 21 but I guess I forgot to count the 4 pages that happened when I went to Tae Kwon Do (inbetween taking notes and the Xatalos case).

On December 13 2013 03:01 Alakaslam wrote:

What does that have to do with anything?

On December 13 2013 03:36 Corazon wrote:

So you have zero reaction to anything else I've said? Thanks....

On December 13 2013 03:36 Corazon wrote:
And while I have you here, was there ever a point in D1 where you thought Spag was town? It seemed like you were very set on Spag's lynch until Vayne made his contradictory post. After that, you didn't mention anything about Spag. Can you walk me through your process of switching votes from Spag to VA?

On December 13 2013 04:03 Corazon wrote:
Ok, fair enough JJD. So you want a Vayne lynch D2?

On December 13 2013 04:07 Corazon wrote:

Good, good. In the event a Vayne lynch doesn't happen, who would you be ok lynching?

On December 10 2013 06:02 Corazon wrote:
If you are town and you are lurking, expect to be under the gun during the game and expect me to not be very nice to you post-game. I will be weighing activity a lot heavier in my voting decision this game than I have in the past. You all are warned. If you are going to take a sieste the entire time and not participate, I am going to be on you until you do so.

On December 13 2013 05:07 Corazon wrote:
I do agree that sidespring needs to contribute more but I do how he explained his vote. His explanation for voting Vayne was a lot better then a lot of other explanations for votes. I'd like to give him a chance.

On December 13 2013 05:31 Corazon wrote:
I love how you yell at me for getting mad at people yet get mad at me when I don't agree with you.

On December 13 2013 05:40 JarJarDrinks wrote:
and FWIW cora, I did like ur scumread post. Some of it mirrors my thoughts.

On December 13 2013 05:46 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Jar why do you think Kush is okay other than voting for Spag? He's intentionally made himself very difficult to read, which can only correspond with a scum agenda.

On December 13 2013 05:59 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
Holyflare the Medic has been shot by an ass-bullet!

On December 13 2013 06:08 VayneAuthority wrote:
so yea HF got doublestacked by mafia and our vig, too strong

On December 13 2013 06:15 VayneAuthority wrote:
the tunnel continues. down syndrome tends to have that affect

On December 13 2013 05:59 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
Holyflare the Medic has been shot by an ass-bullet!

On December 13 2013 13:45 Plutarch wrote:
What do you two think of LSB?

On December 13 2013 21:50 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I will not vote for anyone but Plutarch today. My case proves he is scum because he is using the same information to form a different read. I stopped listening other people last night.

On December 13 2013 23:31 purpletrator wrote:
I'm looking at rayn, LSB and sidesprang for lynch today.

Plutarch is the towniest player in the thread. Friendship points for whoever points it out first.

On December 14 2013 00:26 JarJarDrinks wrote:
Just checked ur filter and this is the first time you've mentioned sidespring. What don't you like about him?

On December 14 2013 03:37 Xatalos wrote:


You really just keep tunneling sidesprang for that one suspicious move at the very start of the game?

Don't you have anything to add about him? Or why don't you even TRY convincing anyone that he should be lynched?

Maybe you're just scum and you don't really care.

On December 13 2013 06:52 JarJarDrinks wrote:
Who could possibly read this:and come to the conclusion that he was double killed. My first thought was "Do we have a town roleblocker?" then when I realized we didn't, I was like: Oh I guess scum shot was healed. It didn't even cross my mind that "shot by an ass-bullet" could mean that he was shot by both vig and scum.

And I checked w/ Sent. He confirmed that it could indeed mean that he was double shot.

On December 14 2013 04:43 raynpelikoneet wrote:

Hmm that's actually interesting point.
Vayne how did you reach to this conclusion?

On December 14 2013 04:44 VayneAuthority wrote:
I realized after that medic could have also saved but I had thought HF one of the more townie people day 1 so I figured he was just double shot since it is more likely then a save.

Simple probability

On December 14 2013 05:01 Grackaroni wrote:

This is what he is saying:
hosts tells us vig shot HF from the kill flavor
hosts tells us SK shot bum from the kill flavor.
Why wouldn't the hosts tell us who mafia shot? (I think they would.)

On December 14 2013 05:05 Grackaroni wrote:

I don't see where he is lying.

On December 14 2013 05:09 VayneAuthority wrote:
you really need to take a step back and realize that you are basing your entire game off of something that isn't alignment indicative at all.

On December 14 2013 05:09 VayneAuthority wrote:I always post a stream of consciousness after a phase ends without thinking much about what I am saying.

On December 14 2013 04:44 VayneAuthority wrote:
I realized after that medic could have also saved but I had thought HF one of the more townie people day 1 so I figured he was just double shot since it is more likely then a save.

Simple probability

On December 14 2013 07:03 Blazinghand wrote:
by "caught" do you mean "dead and flipped scum" or "this is my personal scumread and right now the leading wagon has 3 votes"

please advise

On December 14 2013 22:20 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Btw all the votes on Vayne are lazy as fuck.

On December 10 2013 09:15 VayneAuthority wrote:
I would rather enjoy myself and lose then not enjoy it, hence why I am voting you alakaslam, scum or not. I do not care about lynching scum if im not having fun in the first place, that comes first.

On December 12 2013 07:02 VayneAuthority wrote:
To be clear we don't have time to waste on alakaslam now so I'm ignoring him from now on scum or not. Real game starts after the flip tomorrow, see you then.

On December 12 2013 03:36 JarJarDrinks wrote:
Also, I think this is a slip:



Then when rayn calls him out about it, he says:

A few moments earlier when kush asked him what he thought of spag and cora, he refused to answer. Why not say you have a townread on someone that is picking up votes? It only became something he was willing to discuss to cover up his slip.


and yes I realize that this likely makes spag town.

On December 12 2013 02:50 JarJarDrinks wrote:


##unvote
##vote VayneAuthority

Complete contradiction

On December 12 2013 04:01 JarJarDrinks wrote:

"He adds another scumplayer to my team, why would I want to get rid of him ever?"

That's your quote right there bud. Explain why you'd want to nightkill a scumplayer if you were scum. Or don't since like you said: You'd never want to get rid of him ever.

That's pretty definate statement right there. Saying that you would NK him as scum is a 100% contradiction. You're saying that Slam is a scum asset that scum would want to stay in the game no matter what.

On December 12 2013 05:55 JarJarDrinks wrote:

ALso this:

On December 11 2013 13:10 VayneAuthority wrote:
Considering the decent resistance in this game at the day 1 stage I would say there is actually a decent chance for him to flip scum combined with the points I have already made. There is quite a group of people that have pretty much ignored him altogether, which is what I usually do. I would like a better reason on why we shouldn't lynch him besides "lol vigi" because we all know nobody uses their vig shots like that; they always end up being hero vig shots.

On December 11 2013 13:11 VayneAuthority wrote:
As I said earlier, this isn't policy lynch anymore btw. I am now starting a real discussion on why he is a good lynch.

On December 11 2013 13:34 VayneAuthority wrote:
Let's try this the other way around

can anyone explain to me why alakaslam will not flip scum besides probability? that's one thing he has going for him.

On December 12 2013 02:16 VayneAuthority wrote:
yes, because he doesn't actually post things that can be read. The only time he will ever get lynched is if his entire team throws him under the bus for cred like in portal

On December 13 2013 06:14 JarJarDrinks wrote:
Well my first thought was that the mafia kill got healed. But I guess you'd know who mafia shot @.

##vote VayneAuthority

On December 13 2013 06:52 JarJarDrinks wrote:
Who could possibly read this:and come to the conclusion that he was double killed. My first thought was "Do we have a town roleblocker?" then when I realized we didn't, I was like: Oh I guess scum shot was healed. It didn't even cross my mind that "shot by an ass-bullet" could mean that he was shot by both vig and scum.

And I checked w/ Sent. He confirmed that it could indeed mean that he was double shot.

On December 14 2013 04:55 JarJarDrinks wrote:

OK, but it specifically said "Shot by an ASS-bullet".

So basically, there were 2 deaths. One says that the person was vig-killed, the other says the person was SK-killed.

Why would you not assume that a person killed by mafia would get a similiar cause of death?

On December 14 2013 05:17 JarJarDrinks wrote:
Stop. Ur very aware I voted you yesterday and have been trying to get you lynched well before this latest scumslip.

So now your excuse is that you weren't thinking much about what you're saying? A second ago you said that you used simple probablity and thought that HF was shot because he was so townie.




So which is it?

On December 14 2013 23:20 Aquanim wrote:
VayneAuthority (3): JarJarDrinks, xigxag, sidesprang

On December 15 2013 01:10 raynpelikoneet wrote:
JJD the problem is i kinda get Vayne. He uses a lot of absolutes in his posts and when he explained those "scumslips" he meant it differently than how we read it. It's also his behavior. Vayne is way more tryhard and cooperative as mafia. When he is town he does like policy lynches, especially Slam, i totally get that from him and the whole attitude towards Slam. When people accuse him he basically says "fuck you" to all of them and does not even try to be reasonable. He goes "lynch me fuckers, here are my reads i don't care if you listen to me or not and i am not going to defend myself".

That's exactly what he is doing in this game, and it's not what he does as mafia. As mafia he cares about his team winning and pushes scum agenda and that's definitely not what he is doing here.

On December 14 2013 06:45 kushm4sta wrote:
too late bh because this game is already near solved

On December 14 2013 06:59 kushm4sta wrote:
i said near solved.
2 scum have been caught IMO.

On December 14 2013 07:06 kushm4sta wrote:
i dare you to tell me lsb and xatalos aren't scum.

On December 15 2013 05:02 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Why is everyone thinking purple is scummy but noone wants to lynch him?

On December 15 2013 05:15 Alakaslam wrote:

Jarjardrinks If it is coming from me does "you are tunneling vayne emotionally" hold any strength?

On December 15 2013 05:12 Xatalos wrote:
What's the situation here? I have no idea who has voted who and who's even leading in votes atm.

On December 15 2013 05:24 VayneAuthority wrote:
not like we need to know the votecount, vote who you think is scum and be done with it. The only reason to want to know it is to manipulate the voting. What's done will be done

On December 15 2013 05:22 Grackaroni wrote:
lol nobody knows who is going to be lynched.
If it is LSB or Vayne then I'm voting LSB.

On December 15 2013 06:09 VayneAuthority wrote:
purple and LSB have association tells galore in his filter, I don't see why we don't lynch LSB too

On December 10 2013 07:33 purpletrator wrote:

You mean to tell me you have no concern over the erroneous logic LSB used to vote me? You honestly think my response is worse than "smurfs=mafia"?
To actually answer your question, I'm wondering why LSB is wasting my time and wanted to see if he's actually trying to get a response or just trolling. When he ignored my response I chalked it up to 'just trolling'. Then you called me out, he noticed my response and now wants to fish for my identity. Now it looks scummy.

It was a hypothetical. I'm not revealing my identity. Good to know you dont give a shit about the lynch.

##Vote: LSB

On December 15 2013 06:33 Plutarch wrote:


How?

On December 15 2013 03:12 Alakaslam wrote:

Well and not to mention pregame bitterness, Rayne... He is obviously town almost on the same level as Blazinghand.

On December 15 2013 03:12 Alakaslam wrote:

Well and not to mention pregame bitterness, Rayne... He is obviously town almost on the same level as Blazinghand.

On December 15 2013 06:31 Alakaslam wrote:

Tried to make sure you were lynched before LSB if it was gonna be those wagons. I didn't have confidence in Rayne, his word is now strong with me.

On December 15 2013 05:56 Aquanim wrote:

Vote Count

purpletrator (6): raynpelikoneet, Plutarch, ArtanisXp, VayneAuthority, Alakaslam, Xatalos

VayneAuthority (4): JarJarDrinks, xigxag, sidesprang, LSB

LSB (2): Kushm4sta, Coagulation

xigxag (1): Blazinghand

Xatalos (1): Grackaroni

raynpelikoneet (1): purpletrator

NOT VOTING: Nobody

Currently Purpletrator is set to be lynched.

Let me know if I missed anyone!

Deadline is in 0m 0s

On December 15 2013 05:54 Alakaslam wrote:

Making sure if it is equal between vayne and LSB it winds up being vayne. I would prefer purple and cig.

On December 16 2013 05:51 Plutarch wrote:


He showed up, tried to save himself, and then was forced to vote for vayne last minute.

sure he could have stayed away. Also he could have corssvoted vayne to try and make vayne look good. Which is what he was doing.

On December 16 2013 12:03 VayneAuthority wrote:
i was, but as he pointed out it doesn't make any sense at all. so guess ill just die

On December 16 2013 12:06 VayneAuthority wrote:
No im 100% town. just trying to figure out ways I can avoid being lynched

On December 17 2013 04:49 LSB wrote:
Current Scum Team Reads willing to bandwagon anyone in this list who is put up to the lynch:
Xatalos/SideSprang/Alakaslam/purpletrator

On December 17 2013 11:12 Plutarch wrote:
Trust me guys. I am really really positive that Xatalos is the correct lynch.

On December 18 2013 00:13 Plutarch wrote:


Cause he is thinking in terms of having one KP and he is going to hit one of the towniest members cause he is scum. He doesn;t know who SK is going to hit. because SK may not want to hit town at that point.

Rayn. JJD is mafia. 100%

On December 18 2013 00:26 Plutarch wrote:


Why would he call that 'basically a scumslip' then? when purple hadn't flipped and simply pointed a holyflare post out. That makes JJD look even worse than I thought.

On December 18 2013 00:24 Plutarch wrote:


It doesn't. all the other things I have posted make you confirmed scum though.

On December 18 2013 00:39 Plutarch wrote:


Either way you are scum.

On December 18 2013 00:42 Plutarch wrote:
You can't. You made a case on Xatalos and he does not mention you despite that. You don't mention or push xatalos despite making a case on him day one. You haven't done any serious scum hunting or made concerted pushes all game despite having decent activity.

On December 18 2013 00:51 Plutarch wrote:


Yeah all you have done all game is half hardheartedly push the scummiest townie in the game. Despite calling out actual scum day one and then ignoring them mysteriously till the end of day two.

On December 18 2013 00:54 raynpelikoneet wrote:
JJD:


Where did Grack go`?

On December 17 2013 05:21 JarJarDrinks wrote:
W/ Grack as SK for what I pointed out about how he voted vayne day 1 but day 2 refused to do so w/o giving any reason and then let his vote just waste even though he was in thread @ the deadline.

On December 18 2013 01:01 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Yeah you definitely argued that Vayne is town. Here is your last post where you argue against Vayne lynch before he got modkilled:

Totally town.

On December 18 2013 01:10 raynpelikoneet wrote:

I am sorry if i have missed something but why did you think vayne's alignment had anything to do with purple's after D2 lynch?

On December 16 2013 03:34 JarJarDrinks wrote:
As much as I'd like the fact that I pushed hard for a townie lynch 2 days in a row to be false, I don't understand how Vayne can be scum anymore.

Purple tried to vote Vayne last minute. What purpose could that serve? I was pretty much the only person that thought Vayne was scum. Meanwhile the whole town suspected purple. Why would scum sacrifice Vayne to keep the very scummy Purple in the game?

On December 18 2013 01:16 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Let's entertain an idea that Vayne is scum. Did they sacrifice Vayne if Vayne was scum?

On December 18 2013 02:20 Plutarch wrote:
You all got caught. you are trying some power play or something. there is no way when it comes down to your word against mine are we lynching me first.
So as I said. We lynch Xatalos first. Then we lynch you tomorrow and prove you are the liar that you are.

On December 18 2013 03:29 Plutarch wrote:
Also which cop in their right mind would check me night two after the purple lynch? I should be one of the last checks you would make as cop after that wagon went down.

On December 18 2013 03:41 Plutarch wrote:
No. The cop should not claim. Just lynch grack cause he is a liar and scum. if he flips town I will lynch myself.

The cop should claim when they are ready or have anything to report. we still have 1 lynch to play with.

On December 18 2013 03:41 Plutarch wrote:
if he flips town I will lynch myself.

On December 18 2013 04:50 raynpelikoneet wrote:
And how does this make sense? He'll lose in your scenario 100%.

On December 18 2013 04:50 raynpelikoneet wrote:
And what would he say if he is town?

On December 18 2013 04:52 raynpelikoneet wrote:
JJD you have yet to answer, who do you want to lynch today?

On December 18 2013 05:00 raynpelikoneet wrote:

yeah no.

On December 18 2013 05:03 Plutarch wrote:
And yet you are saying that I am sk cause I want to lynch grack TOMORROW.

On December 18 2013 05:03 raynpelikoneet wrote:

So why the fuck are you arguing about this now unless you are scum?
What are you trying to do? Tell us who we need to lynch tomorrow? Why?

On December 18 2013 05:14 Plutarch wrote:
If we lynch grack tomorrow if I am the serial killer I get lynched the following day and lose. But If I am town and we lynch grack tomorrow town almost certainly wins.

On December 18 2013 05:24 Plutarch wrote:


I would still lose as the SK cause town would lynch me. You keep making these arguments based on my true, town, win condition and then calling me the sk. Really dumb.

On December 18 2013 05:25 raynpelikoneet wrote:

Actually that's not true if that was the situation because at this point town needs to lynch mafia.

On December 18 2013 05:27 Plutarch wrote:
That is true but he also assumes the SK would be shooting town which I don;t think is true at this point either.

On December 18 2013 05:30 Plutarch wrote:


I honestly just haven't thought a lot about night kills or the SK win condition. Too busy catching your whole scum team. Hue.

On December 18 2013 05:11 raynpelikoneet wrote:
So JJD if Grack is cop and you are town who are the rest of the scumteam?

On December 18 2013 05:47 Plutarch wrote:
Cause you only need one mislynch to win?