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On December 11 2013 12:16 bumatlarge wrote:Show nested quote +On December 11 2013 05:37 sidesprang wrote:On December 11 2013 04:12 JarJarDrinks wrote:On December 11 2013 03:56 kushm4sta wrote:On December 11 2013 03:53 JarJarDrinks wrote:On December 11 2013 00:31 JarJarDrinks wrote:On December 10 2013 09:42 sidesprang wrote:
And lastly he asked for people to vote for him if they found him scummy, which is very Anti-Town. OK this sentence just reeks of a scum mindset w/ the knowledge that cora is town. Because yes, asking someone to vote for yourself is anti-town when you are actually town. But if you're scum then it's just a kinda dumb, ballsy move. But it isn't anti-town. Any comments on this? @ least would like to hear what people think of sidespring. i think it's equally dumb as either alignment, 100% alignment neutral. What is your point sir? btw voting you now based on on your scummy posting pattern. Also you bring up your shit point and want people to comment on it like its gold.
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##vote jarjar My point was that I wanted to know if anyone had comments on it and I wanted to know people thought of sidespring. Pretty sure that was implied. I'm reading sidespring as scum and would like to know if other people are as well. You think that asking people vote for yourself is alignment nuetral? Great, I agree that a person doing that doesn't help tell you what their alignment is. What I'm saying though is that it's anti-(whatever alignment that person is). So to say it's anti-town seems to imply that the person saying it is town.So before you call my point shit, make sure you understand what I'm saying. Exactly I currently view everyone as town, people have done scummy things. But no one are scum In my eyes yet, if so I would have voted for em. So why I would phrase that in any other way I really do not know, and tbh you just seem desperate to find something that is not there. He is from Norway, his English might not be the best, but he has odd ways of approaching the game. He just needs to post more I think. LSB, can you point out exactly what the bait and switch was from?
I made my initial case on cora to bait reads out of other people, sidesprang was one of the reactions that was negative.
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I know what he's saying, he wants me to consolidate with him. Slam if you want to do that and not die in this cycle you need to convince more than just me to do it. You need to give reasoning for your read and elaborate more so that people can understand and discuss it.
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because when there is a choice between 5-6 people that have done nothing it's just a coin flip and it was orchestrated in our favour 
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K fine, not enough policy lynches happen on TL anyway. For the sanity of the members!
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On December 11 2013 13:24 Pandain wrote:Show nested quote +On December 11 2013 13:11 Holyflare wrote:
K fine, not enough policy lynches happen on TL anyway. For the sanity of the members!
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I'm playing so that town can have a victory at the end game, if I die (being the only person that can seemingly translate slams posts) then he is a wildcard and is a hinderence to the town win con.
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Do i really have to quote my own filter pandain?
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On December 10 2013 08:20 Holyflare wrote:
@Slam.
What to you suggests that Xatalos is scum? (judging by your vote) What specifically outlined his motives as scummy rather than towny. If you reply in cryptics I will policy you!
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On December 11 2013 14:12 Alakaslam wrote:Show nested quote +On December 11 2013 14:05 Plutarch wrote:
Keep posting like that and tell me who you think is scum and maybe we won't lynch you. You have a day to make yourself useful. This is hamstringing. I bluntly refuse, however on the basis that I stand by my former usefulness. What does 109 have to do with 35?
If you are town then you absolutely have to change your playstyle so as not to die. It is your wincon, if you are town that is.
Pandain your vote/post was pretty much the same as what I was saying so what's not to agree with?
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On December 11 2013 15:19 bumatlarge wrote:
I don't man, mafia don't single out people to send little messages. I've got this special power rangers post, and I think he was trying to tell me something.
that was in reference to me to consolidate
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On December 11 2013 15:52 VayneAuthority wrote:
aren't they OMGUS'ing eachother? pretty sure they both want to lynch the other
but pandain was sheeping my reasoning and bum has little reasoning
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I'm trying to rainman this slam post... I feel dumb T_T
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On December 11 2013 16:04 VayneAuthority wrote:
I even explained why pandain was not in the thread, so yea that is fairly suspicious. I would have to go back and look at the timeline and see if he kept posting about pandain being the biggest lurker after I explained why
everything i wrote in my case explains bum
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On December 11 2013 16:16 Alakaslam wrote:
Couldn't help peeking. Gonna be tired tomorrow.
I had no clue what you were talking about HolyFlare, I googled that and I discovered.
Previously, I had only seen a clip of that movie. It was at a laundromat and in the movie they were at a laundromat and I was watching the washer. Rain man was watching the dryer so my older brother said "look it's the future" and he got in a ton of trouble.
I think that is why nobody told me about it XD
Anyway, to clear a couple things up. I was asking bumatlarge to consolidate. And a lot of what mentions one person is actually universal.
Hopefully I can tune in before deadline.
what about the end of your post? x_x
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Ok, slam, you want to lynch spag and get us to consolidate onto him. So, give us reasons. Outline WHY we should lynch him over everyone else? Has he broken rules, has he participated in scum motives? Why not purple/bum(who you think is town?)/X?
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Really busy atm, did slam improve? Is there a wagon on bum/art/spag to join?
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On December 12 2013 05:44 JarJarDrinks wrote:
@Cora
when you take notes, you use font color tags?
Why did nobody follow up on this apart from JJD? Not only are cora's notes up to only 1/4ish of the thread but they aren't even real notes. He didn't post them immediately when asked to even though he was around and only posted them at the end of the day. He has read up to page 21 but his last post/summary was on Xatalos' vote on him which occurred on page 17. This looks like he didn't have time to fully write these notes off the top of his head up to page 21 where he claimed he had read.
He also mentions that his notes have 3 main points:
On December 12 2013 03:00 Corazon wrote:
To whomever asked: yes I have notes until page 21. I've been too busy to take notes since then. I will probably pick up with the notes starting D2. Do you want to see them? There are only 3 or so major points in them. One on Spag, one on purple, and one on Vayne
Spag, purple, VA. Yet, within his notes these points never feature as main points + Show Spoiler + Plutarch with a really useless post to call out Slam to begin, says he has to leave and does
Spag with a really bad first post coming into the thread and then leaving
Plutarch then twists my words and attacks me for no reason, HF jumps on bandwagon
HF tries to justify jumping on the bandwagon, citing “new information”
Xatalos jumps on the bandwagon as well, not reading my response “looks like the game is starting well”
Artanis challenges HF on whether talking about post restriction is scum or town
Plutarch equates pressuring lurkers to LAL
Xatalos votes for me, seems like he sees the bandwagon forming and wants to be the first one on it, then calls out slam for being inactive (conflict of interest)
Purpletraitor “I am VT”
Spag asks HF/Grack if their gamestyle is going to be different as town (what kind of question is this?), says that he will vote for a trolling Grack
LSB enters by voting Purple, screams of trolliness and randomness
HF makes a really terrible case and votes for me. He jumps way too hard to conclusions, saying I OMGUS’d and was playing defensive. Was he paying any attention at all to Basics mafia?
Xatalos calls out a third person (kush), saying he will lynch a trolling kush
Artanis defends me, saying that scum would not be so open with their play
VA makes a decent but wrong point. Give him town cred for trying but he is wrong (also says he will not vote for me. He wants the right lynch, not the easy one. Big town cred)
Xatalos +1s HF
Xatalos attacks me, saying my post was “passable non-contribution” (which he is wrong)
Kush proclaims he is doing a lurk strat...help us plz
Spag defends himself, basically very defensive like me but he doesn’t get called out for it
Alakaslam points out that Xatalos says Slam is scummier, yet votes for me
Artanis/Slam say Xatalos is throwing shit around, Artanis votes for him
Xatalos: “I’m always really aggressive as town” there is difference between being aggressive and throwing shit around
Xatalos says my first post hoped people would glance over it. Makes no sense as if that was my goal, I would not have posted it first and attracted attention to myself
Rayn enters, votes for Purple, Artanis disagrees about “scummiest vote in thread”
LSB fears townie on townie action
Artanis asks LSB for reads, LSB replies it is too early but says Xatalos needs a filter check
HF attacks me without reading my filter, says that I’m attacking the flavor of the thread but that is exactly what he is doing to me (???)
Xatalos says that his aggression is townie and he likes the start to the game (ofc he is going to say that, it’s non-indicative)
Purple gets all mad and votes LSB, saying LSB is out to get him even though LSB isn’t (??)
HF trying to draw discussion away from Xatalos but it was kind of off him for a page or so
Slam is posting in riddles...damn it
Xatalos finally talks about someone besides me, asks Spag for reads
Xatalos calls me out for playing defensive cause I’ve had to defend his shit, so scummy
Slam T.T votes for Xatalos
HF makes another shit case and forgets to see how I defend his first one
More T.T Slam...maybe he only makes sense when he is scum. Draws Spag’s vote
Xatalos thinks sleeping is a scum tell....lol
VA votes for Slam...i don’t mind that
Spag wants to throw away D1 to lynch Slam...T.T
Xatalos attacks another player, votes for Kush
Xatalos calls out purple
Xatalos votes for me. This guy can’t keep his story straight
Town Reads: VA
Scum Reads (in order): Xatalos, HF, purple (weak)
For a main point to have purple included why is his scum read on purple "(weak)" compared to me and Xatalos? Why is spag considered a major point but does not feature in any of his scum or town lists? These things don't make any sense at all.
The notes come to the conclusion of nothing either. His entire notebase is a summary of what happened but he doesn't conclude why X player would do Y action other than that action is scummy or that he doesn't mind it. This is not the mindset of Cora from B2B who was actually scum hunting. He has played the victim card WAY too many times and was quite happy to throw a vote on spag right at the end of the day to "get rid of a player who was on him"...... lol
On December 12 2013 05:45 Corazon wrote:
Yeah I might as well hammer Spag. Maybe I can have some breathing room with him gone.
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I was willing to lean off cora for a bit after the start of the game because of his attitude to being pressured because it was similar to B2B etc but I do not think it is real anymore, his notes only go up to page 17 not 21 so the fact that he doesn't have any opinions from after that means that he cannot possibly know whether or not "people are still on him" like he constantly whines about. This is a game of finding scum and he knows that a little pressure here and there on someone is a way to get to that goal yet, to draw no conclusions from it other than summarise (and colourise) posts is a feigning of contribution.
Also,
On December 12 2013 06:40 Corazon wrote:Show nested quote +On December 11 2013 02:07 Spaghetticus wrote:
You must understand, as I'm only going to say this once more. I'm hardly reading what they say about you. I'm reading your responses. They are giving me scumchills. Stop defending yourself by slinging mud on your assailants as it's not at all relevant to my perspective and it's doing you no favours. All I see is someone who has not done any townwork who is showing no intention of doing anything but making other look more scummy than themselves despite the lack of scumsign. Calm yourself. Use reasoning. Be useful. How is this thought process good. He thinks my responses are scummy yet doesn't try to see why I would respond like that. He just says they are scummy without looking at the big picture.
I thought this was apt with his "notes" hahahahhaha cora is a funny guy.
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Then we have purple who unvotes cora BEFORE he posted the notes (just because he said he had them..?) onto spag
On December 12 2013 05:18 purpletrator wrote:
cora better have notes....
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He has been sheeping Plu's reasoning a lot. I do not see anything constructive about Spag in any of his posts. One of the only larger posts in his filter is DEFENDING cora saying that this is how town cora would most likely play but then with regards to waiting for the notes he finds him increasingly more and more scummy. Not only does he NOT wait for cora to post the notes before he unvotes he actively sheeps onto the spag train. Cora eventually posted his notes but nothing was said in regards to them AT ALL. The person he voted for, waiting for notes, posted a god awful summary up to page 17 that had nothing conclusive and that didn't follow his suggested town/scum list and posts he made previously but decides that spag is the better lynch because plu said some good reasoning? I don't like it at all.
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Xatalos has posted many reasons for spag being town:
+ Show Spoiler +On December 11 2013 20:48 Xatalos wrote:By the way, I see Spaghetticus mentioned as a lynch candidate every once in a while. I don't really agree. Just look at these posts: Show nested quote +On December 10 2013 22:59 Spaghetticus wrote:
@Kush
Could you give insight into why you think the following people are green:
- Spaghetticus
- Xatalos
- Corazon
- Purpletrator
I'm on the list because while I know my alignment, it seems fairly unanimous that I've done little to demonstrate it. Show nested quote +On December 11 2013 02:42 Spaghetticus wrote:On December 11 2013 02:28 Xatalos wrote:Spag, have you catched up with the thread? What about those slight scumreads that you mentioned? By the way, this post made me think you're more likely town: On December 10 2013 22:59 Spaghetticus wrote:
@Kush
Could you give insight into why you think the following people are green:
- Spaghetticus
- Xatalos
- Corazon
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I'm on the list because while I know my alignment, it seems fairly unanimous that I've done little to demonstrate it. It just seems counter-intuitive to bring pressure on yourself like that for no real reason. They're just single digit contenders on my spreadsheet (on a scale from -100 being mafia, and 100 being town). I adjust scores accordingly after each incident I find interesting. It's more to keep track of my perspective over time, as I often forget the small stuff. It's really not worth talking about, and I don't want scum knowing my reads unless I'm acting on them. I appreciate the town read, though think it's something I'd do as scum too. No I haven't caught up with the thread. I'm still stuck on the same page. I think it's more important to attend to the here and now, and I'm losing focus again (tis 5am). Show nested quote +On December 11 2013 16:31 Spaghetticus wrote:Slam if you make a decent case on me I'll reconsider lynching you They all just read to me as town. It's not impossible for this attitude to be a ploy, but the far more likely scenario is that Spag is just not afraid of suspicions at all. Which means town. I also agree with this: Show nested quote +On December 11 2013 01:03 Spaghetticus wrote:On December 11 2013 00:55 Corazon wrote:
Plutarch is Marv because all Marv does is tunnel me whenever we are town together. You should just disregard everything he says about me tbh
HF is confirmation biased and refuses to push anyone else besides me. Play the game
Don't call Artanis scum for being right.
Be less bad please. How do you expect to convince anyone with this garbage? So we should take you word for it that not only are you trustworthy, you are able to discern smurfs at a glance, and you deem that this smurf is marv, and you also deem that Marv tunnels you, that he does so unfairly, and we should therefore disregard it? How can you not see that this is too much to swallow? HF is biased because he thinks you're scummy and doesn't change his vote with the wind? Artanis can't be scum because you agree with him on something? You're either making terrible arguments because you're terrible town, or you're just bullshitting to look like you're doing something. Can someone weigh in on how good Corazon is supposed to be? If he's at all capable at mafia I want him hung. The only worrying part is that there isn't much scumhunting in his filter. The previous post is probably the post closest to scumhunting, although it didn't come to any conclusion. Show nested quote +On December 11 2013 16:28 Spaghetticus wrote:
I'm surprised Plutarch wants to lynch Slam, but I happen to agree so...
Slam is still not talking sense. It looks to me that he's scaled back the persona just enough to give him a fighting chance of wifoming his eminent demise.
I wanted to find someone better to lynch and I wanted Slam to step up, but neither of these things have happened and I am not unhappy with this direction for day one. I was posturing with my pressure vote, but this doesn't rule out me actually voting him. Alakaslam isn't a terrible lynch, but it's definitely the easiest way out of D1. And it's a bit worrying that Spag's only committal to a lynch is someone like him. Spag, if you're town, you need to step up your scumhunting. You mentioned that you had several slight scumreads, but you haven't shared any of them yet (except Corazon, I'd assume). Otherwise you're looking townish, but that's a worrying part about you.
On December 12 2013 05:24 Xatalos wrote:Show nested quote +On December 12 2013 05:15 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Don't have much time now but I see support for a Spaghetti lynch and I'm happy to join in on that. Bandwagon powers activate!
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He actively protests against a spag lynch, see's both of his scummy reads (artanis and purple) are on spag but thinks he's a good vote anyway?
On December 12 2013 05:41 Xatalos wrote:
I really don't like the Spag wagon. It has both Artanis and purple... And neither of them provided any reasoning for voting him.
On December 12 2013 05:45 Xatalos wrote:Show nested quote +On December 12 2013 05:42 Alakaslam wrote:On December 12 2013 05:41 Xatalos wrote:
I really don't like the Spag wagon. It has both Artanis and purple... And neither of them provided any reasoning for voting him. Bussing exists that's why I linked greyhound. That's true. Since it seems to be between Spag and VA, I agree that Spag is the better choice. ##Unvote
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I'm pretty sure he has never mentioned VA in any of his filter, has a town tell post on Spag, has scum reads on this wagon and still votes him? I don't buy it.
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On December 12 2013 05:40 LSB wrote:
Spaghetticus filter is just one giant mess of him trying to stir up activity, to me he is trying to show himself as being more active than he actually is.
Unfortunately between Spag and VA I am not confident about someone being scum, but Spag's filter suggests to me that he is more likely than not mafia
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Has no activity other than sidesprang, which he meakly pushes when he's actually around. Really mediocre reasoning. Nothing other than this on spag.
On December 12 2013 05:45 LSB wrote:
I don't like the Spag wagon either, but apparently although many people thought he was scum no one jumped on the sidesprang wagon with me
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On December 12 2013 13:11 kushm4sta wrote:Show nested quote +On December 12 2013 13:07 JarJarDrinks wrote:On December 12 2013 10:59 kushm4sta wrote:On December 12 2013 06:23 JarJarDrinks wrote:On December 12 2013 03:54 JarJarDrinks wrote:On December 12 2013 03:47 kushm4sta wrote:
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##vote speghetti On December 12 2013 02:53 kushm4sta wrote:@rayn I'm back to townreading spghetti.That he has one of the longer filters in the game makes him lean town. Also I think it's not so much that he hasn't gotten into this game, but more like he thinks he is so awesome now for getting nk on night 1 that he doesn't even have to try. That is indicated by this quote: This isn't why I've scaled back, but it also doesn't help my motives that I was NKed early that game.
So that's why he is active but sucks hard compared to previous towngames. what happened? Kush, please answer this when you return. blame rayn Really? That's your answer? Reposting this again + Show Spoiler +On December 12 2013 06:35 JarJarDrinks wrote:Show nested quote +On December 12 2013 06:23 JarJarDrinks wrote:On December 12 2013 03:54 JarJarDrinks wrote:On December 12 2013 03:47 kushm4sta wrote:
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##vote speghetti On December 12 2013 02:53 kushm4sta wrote:@rayn I'm back to townreading spghetti.That he has one of the longer filters in the game makes him lean town. Also I think it's not so much that he hasn't gotten into this game, but more like he thinks he is so awesome now for getting nk on night 1 that he doesn't even have to try. That is indicated by this quote: This isn't why I've scaled back, but it also doesn't help my motives that I was NKed early that game.
So that's why he is active but sucks hard compared to previous towngames. what happened? Kush, please answer this when you return. Just to add to this. I just reread your filter and I have no idea how you ended up w/ your vote on spag. Show nested quote +On December 11 2013 23:58 kushm4sta wrote:
that case was too fucked up for speghetti to be scum I think Show nested quote +On December 12 2013 00:02 kushm4sta wrote:
I think scum are going to make more obvious cases and attack generalized scumtells, like wishy washiness. Or they would go after players like alakaslam or purple (easy targets). Speghetti's case is just odd and I can't see scum ever making it. Show nested quote +On December 12 2013 01:48 kushm4sta wrote:
rayn i see what you are saying about spaghetti. i think he is just off this game. He already said he's not invested yet. My read is pretty thin so it's more of a hunch.
Anyone read corazon's last post? The ratio of size to content of that post is the highest in the game. Show nested quote +On December 12 2013 02:53 kushm4sta wrote:@rayn I'm back to townreading spghetti. That he has one of the longer filters in the game makes him lean town. Also I think it's not so much that he hasn't gotten into this game, but more like he thinks he is so awesome now for getting nk on night 1 that he doesn't even have to try. That is indicated by this quote: This isn't why I've scaled back, but it also doesn't help my motives that I was NKed early that game.
So that's why he is active but sucks hard compared to previous towngames. Why did you defend him so much and then vote him? So basically, not only did you never have spag as a scumread, but you defended him a whole bunch throughout the day. There's no way to interpret that other than: You voted for someone that you believed to be town. Do you deny this? i lynched him for information
said spag was towny for most of the game, started leaning into him a bit more during the course of the day, lynched him for information but has provided no information after his lynch, really no reasoning for jumping on spag lynch, had him as town on town list post
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There are other people that voted him but they have legit reasoning. Plu, artanis.. kind of... but not really but i'm lazy so will do it later/you can do it for me.
In conclusion, lots of people had no decent reasoning for a spag lynch. Xatalos had spag as a town read, Kush similarly did early too, LSB wasn't even wanting a spag lynch but didn't force another lynch into people. Cora is scummy in general and his reason for spag (who wasn't even in his list of scum) is "to get him off me".
These are only votes on spag that I find suspicious, doesn't mean people who aren't on spag aren't either but for now I think the way the spag lynch went down that scum are most likely on it and these are the most viable candidates.
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Slam, you said in a post earlier that if Spag is town these 2 are almost definitely town. I presume you were refering to VA and Plu. Yet plu is your null/scum on your list. Why is that?
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Also VA is scum/town too so has your earlier comment been rescinded?
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Nah I was too lazy to read artanis' vote. You didn't have to vote either of those 2 especially as 2 of your scum reads were on spag. So why did you feel the need to vote him when you could have parked your vote on someone you actively found scummy?
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