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The sidesprang case is the bait and switch one right? He isn't too active, which is usually what you do if someone accuses you and they are right. He doesn't have alot to go on.
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On December 11 2013 05:37 sidesprang wrote:Show nested quote +On December 11 2013 04:12 JarJarDrinks wrote:On December 11 2013 03:56 kushm4sta wrote:On December 11 2013 03:53 JarJarDrinks wrote:On December 11 2013 00:31 JarJarDrinks wrote:On December 10 2013 09:42 sidesprang wrote:
And lastly he asked for people to vote for him if they found him scummy, which is very Anti-Town. OK this sentence just reeks of a scum mindset w/ the knowledge that cora is town. Because yes, asking someone to vote for yourself is anti-town when you are actually town. But if you're scum then it's just a kinda dumb, ballsy move. But it isn't anti-town. Any comments on this? @ least would like to hear what people think of sidespring. i think it's equally dumb as either alignment, 100% alignment neutral. What is your point sir? btw voting you now based on on your scummy posting pattern. Also you bring up your shit point and want people to comment on it like its gold.
##unvote
##vote jarjar My point was that I wanted to know if anyone had comments on it and I wanted to know people thought of sidespring. Pretty sure that was implied. I'm reading sidespring as scum and would like to know if other people are as well. You think that asking people vote for yourself is alignment nuetral? Great, I agree that a person doing that doesn't help tell you what their alignment is. What I'm saying though is that it's anti-(whatever alignment that person is). So to say it's anti-town seems to imply that the person saying it is town.So before you call my point shit, make sure you understand what I'm saying. Exactly I currently view everyone as town, people have done scummy things. But no one are scum In my eyes yet, if so I would have voted for em. So why I would phrase that in any other way I really do not know, and tbh you just seem desperate to find something that is not there.
He is from Norway, his English might not be the best, but he has odd ways of approaching the game. He just needs to post more I think.
LSB, can you point out exactly what the bait and switch was from?
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I don't man, mafia don't single out people to send little messages. I've got this special power rangers post, and I think he was trying to tell me something.
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On December 11 2013 15:28 Plutarch wrote:Show nested quote +On December 11 2013 15:19 bumatlarge wrote:
I don't man, mafia don't single out people to send little messages. I've got this special power rangers post, and I think he was trying to tell me something. You said you were going to look at me. What resulted from that?
Nothing 
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Can we go back to lynching pandain?
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Sorry I don't have great scum reads right now, but I think slam is blue. He could just be random, but his posts indicate a vig or something.
I don't like panda ins reasons. I don't think comparing me to a vastly different game is right, and even then I don't think I'm posting that differently there. And after that he gets on holy for not staying on me. I do agree with Pandain on Slam, but his whole anti policy lynch spiel doesn't sit right with me. Generalizations about scum defending policy lynches seems poorly thought out. Why wouldn't they remark on something that's subjective in either direction? Policy lynches are often revealing, and while I don't think Slam is a good one, it would make it easy for him to get his points across or probably not post.
He says he can decipher slams posts, but I'd like to know because I've been trying to no avail.
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On December 11 2013 21:53 Plutarch wrote:
I also found it strange that Bum could state he was analyzing my filter due to me being 'interesting' and then find absolutely nothing to talk about.
How can you read 6 pages of filter and arrive at zero conclusions?
I said you were interesting, because I liked your posts. I used your posts to read kush, so thanks for that.
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I have to vote someone, is there anyone besides Slam we can think about? All my reads are popping up green. What about purple, did he ever come back?
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What about vayneauthority, I don't have a read there
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I wish I could contribute more, but I'm caught up at work
##vote bumatlarge
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I didn't get the chance to review vayneauthority, and it would be unfair to vote him over Slam knowing that
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Apologies for the Day 1. We really lynched spaghetti? I think we are being a little too harsh if we are willing to lynch off an active poster for failing to post results so early. He had very unique (and wrong) conclusions, but it was pretty obvious he was genuinely trying to help at least the atmosphere.
On December 11 2013 23:40 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Yes i am steering the town into lynching you because you have made 70 posts that say absolutely nothing. All you have to say is someone is mafia because of some assumed connection because they tried to guess someone's identity. Every other post you have made is an OMGUS to call out people who are telling you to go scumhunt or telling you why your logic does not make sense. You are not really trying to find mafia and your attitude towards people in this game gives out you are working under fear, pressure, insecureness and inherent guilt.
##Vote: Spaghetticus
I think this sum's up how aggressively we are approaching scumhunting. Picking apart what people say to get reads is fine, but concluding that everything a person says that doesn't resolve in a red read is quite vicious, and I think it's detrimental for players when we want them to be open about their posts. Forcing questions and re-establishing scum-hunting lines are great for a distracted an inactive town, but I think we've established that everyone here is willing to try, and scum is willing to post as well.
Repeatedly harping on people for content and reads stalls thread discussion rather then promoting it. Trust town to reach it's conclusions eventually. The enviroment is becoming so negative that I don't think Spaghetti felt comfortable being free with hisposts, when he really should have no such inhibitions as a townie.
Let's minimize the Spaghettis and be a little more lenient with our pace. I can't imagine what you guys start posting like when it's down to the wire if that was the day 1 atmosphere.
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Is there a day 1 voting list? I can't seem to find it.
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This is the game I belong in :D
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On December 12 2013 12:33 Plutarch wrote:
Anyway. I feel like I should take responsibility for the mis-lynch. Reading back on the way things went down I think I should have seen signs of spag's townieness but I just didn't. Anyway I'm going to post something about the way the wagon went down later. It felt like there was a lot of opportunistic jumping on to the wagon at the last minute.
The key is took look at which reasoning and voting appears to be genuine and which appears to be faked.
I'll write a big post and post it before the night ends.
I'll also be around on and off for the next 10- hours or so if anyone want's to chat.
I do!
On December 11 2013 23:17 Plutarch wrote:
Also, Never ever ever make association cases before people have flipped.
Do you really stand by this? Would you consider association cases and interactions to be that different?
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On December 12 2013 12:41 Plutarch wrote:Show nested quote +On December 12 2013 12:37 bumatlarge wrote:On December 12 2013 12:33 Plutarch wrote:
Anyway. I feel like I should take responsibility for the mis-lynch. Reading back on the way things went down I think I should have seen signs of spag's townieness but I just didn't. Anyway I'm going to post something about the way the wagon went down later. It felt like there was a lot of opportunistic jumping on to the wagon at the last minute.
The key is took look at which reasoning and voting appears to be genuine and which appears to be faked.
I'll write a big post and post it before the night ends.
I'll also be around on and off for the next 10- hours or so if anyone want's to chat. I do! On December 11 2013 23:17 Plutarch wrote:
Also, Never ever ever make association cases before people have flipped. Do you really stand by this? Would you consider association cases and interactions to be that different? Yes. Association cases before flips are just dumb. I consider analyzing interactions to be an important part of scum hunting, but if a case only works if both of the associations are scum and neither have flipped the case is worthless until one of them flips.
Sweet, have you looked at jarjar?
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Well, I have, and I like to pick up on certain aspects of certain players in certain games. JJD is pretty good at piggybacking.
+ Show Spoiler +On December 12 2013 00:24 JarJarDrinks wrote:
yeah ##vote Spaghetticus
Like Plu said: He's almost comes right out and said that he's making scum cases to prove his own towniness
And then he pretty much admits that he's casting suspicion on townie looking people because it's "typical of [his] style". So again, he's pointing out how what he's saying makes him town. On December 10 2013 13:49 JarJarDrinks wrote:K, I'm here for a bit before sleep. I'll be here all day tomorrow but gonna post my thoughts on some stuff first: Show nested quote +On December 10 2013 10:10 Holyflare wrote:On December 10 2013 09:42 sidesprang wrote:
Ok, so a lot of things going on. I agree we should not let lurkers stay silent, and should poke anyone that stays silent for to long. But there is a lot of value in not spamming down the thread if you are town, that will only make the scummy post harder to see. I'm mainly looking at you Xatalos, as you are on your third page in filter with like half of the post being oneliners. Even if town you will be detrimental to the town if you keep this up! There are others aswell, just used you as an example.
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About Cora there are a few things I did not like and caught my eye. His opening post is not good, and if he's mafia hes basically just buying himself an excuse to lurk for day 1 and then come out day 2 and bring chaos onto the town.
He also deflected a lot in his defence and basically just said "look at X he's scummier than me".
And lastly he asked for people to vote for him if they found him scummy, which is very Anti-Town.
I do not feel cora is mafia yet at least, but definetly worth to look at.
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@Kish, can anyone that have played with him earlier say something about how he plays. He is deffo playing the most anti town atm, but he's also doing it on purpose which is frustrating.
I really really do not like this post as an entry post: A) Sheeps everthing I have mentioned on Cora. B) Uses a big chunk of his entry post saying why cora is displaying mafia associated traits but won't vote him yet? C) Mentions Xatalos in a completely non-inquisitive manner, no justification on a read based on Xan's posts or anything. Agree completly w/ holy here. I had the same thoughts reading it. Also worth mentioning is how that first paragraph says absolutely nothing. Just obvious stuff like lurking is bad and people shouldn't spam. It's not like he's using it to call out Xatalos since he says he's just using him as an example. It's just a safe non-confrontational post. On December 12 2013 05:55 JarJarDrinks wrote:Show nested quote +On December 12 2013 05:52 Xatalos wrote:On December 12 2013 05:50 raynpelikoneet wrote:On December 12 2013 05:49 Xatalos wrote:On December 12 2013 05:43 raynpelikoneet wrote:On December 12 2013 05:41 Xatalos wrote:
I really don't like the Spag wagon. It has both Artanis and purple... And neither of them provided any reasoning for voting him. The problem is not the voters. I have the same problem (well not really with purple, as he basically chose between spag/vayne)... It's that Spag is so fucking scummy and the evidence is far better than on vayne. I'm not still sure why VA is #2 in votes. Apparently he contradicted himself, but why is he scum just for that? It's not like he needed to talk about how he'd love to NK / lynch Alakaslam. Yes he needed, did you read? I confronted him about his thoughts on lynching Slam. I read through pretty fast. Gonna reread that portion. ALso this: Show nested quote +On December 12 2013 04:26 raynpelikoneet wrote:Here is another one. On December 11 2013 13:03 VayneAuthority wrote:
I hope he flips town so I am actually justified in saying that he is hindering the game. If he's scum he can do whatever the fuck he wants. Read that portal game by greymist if you want to see how hard it is to lynch this guy as scum. His entire team bussed him and he still barely got lynched. nuff said. On December 11 2013 13:10 VayneAuthority wrote:
Considering the decent resistance in this game at the day 1 stage I would say there is actually a decent chance for him to flip scum combined with the points I have already made. There is quite a group of people that have pretty much ignored him altogether, which is what I usually do. I would like a better reason on why we shouldn't lynch him besides "lol vigi" because we all know nobody uses their vig shots like that; they always end up being hero vig shots. ... i really don't get it.. i really don't...
He's very good at sliding other people's posts into his own. I was on the Vayne train, but I couldn't convince myself after reading this.
On December 12 2013 02:50 JarJarDrinks wrote:Show nested quote +On December 12 2013 02:41 kushm4sta wrote:On December 12 2013 02:39 VayneAuthority wrote:
it's not ridiculous at all if you consider how I play mafia. I KILL these kind of players at night because I find it more enjoyable to play with people that can actually scumhunt and try to trick them. Between that and my blue kill sniping I don't see how it is farfetch'd at all. So you would never push a mislynch on slam because he is so bad for town, but you would nk him??/ that makes no sense. ##unvote
##vote VayneAuthorityComplete contradiction Show nested quote +On December 12 2013 02:29 VayneAuthority wrote:On December 12 2013 02:24 raynpelikoneet wrote:On December 12 2013 02:20 VayneAuthority wrote:On December 12 2013 02:17 raynpelikoneet wrote:On December 12 2013 02:14 VayneAuthority wrote:
I have one goal today and one goal only. If you think I would help town get rid of alakaslam as scum I can't help you. That's actually quite an interesting comment Vayne. What you very well know is that even if Slam doesn't get lynched he will most likely get shot on N1. Why would you not help get rid of him as scum, regardless of his alignment? On December 11 2013 13:10 VayneAuthority wrote:
Considering the decent resistance in this game at the day 1 stage I would say there is actually a decent chance for him to flip scum combined with the points I have already made. There is quite a group of people that have pretty much ignored him altogether, which is what I usually do. I would like a better reason on why we shouldn't lynch him besides "lol vigi" because we all know nobody uses their vig shots like that; they always end up being hero vig shots. I've already pretty much answered all of this In this game the thread sentiment actually suggests vigi's WILL shoot useless people. Let's consider a scenario where you are scum. If Slam is scum you: 1) can reasonably assume a vigi will shoot him on N1 anyways so 2) when you lynch him instead you gain towncredit 3) even if you don't succeed, you gain town credit when he flips red 4) you don't need to contribute anything useful If Slam is town you: 1) can't be held responsible for anything scummy because it's a pro-town thing to suggest a policy lynch on him anyways 2) you don't need to contribute anything useful So, why again is it unreasonable to assume you would vouch for his lynch as mafia? because I would never, ever help town get rid of somebody so detrimental to town. He adds another scumplayer to my team, why would I want to get rid of him ever? I could just sheep you on spag or something dumb like that. I know exactly what it looks like.
I think contradictions are awesome to find, but comparing these two is reaching. Hard. Even if Vayne felt two different ways about the way he plays in two different posts, you need to build off that to actually get a read. I know JJD was against policy lynching slam, but I found this vote very telling that he is willing to do so if it gives him an easier explanation.
I thought it would be worth pointing out
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On December 12 2013 13:02 VayneAuthority wrote:Show nested quote +On December 12 2013 12:58 Plutarch wrote:On December 12 2013 12:52 bumatlarge wrote:On December 12 2013 12:41 Plutarch wrote:On December 12 2013 12:37 bumatlarge wrote:On December 12 2013 12:33 Plutarch wrote:
Anyway. I feel like I should take responsibility for the mis-lynch. Reading back on the way things went down I think I should have seen signs of spag's townieness but I just didn't. Anyway I'm going to post something about the way the wagon went down later. It felt like there was a lot of opportunistic jumping on to the wagon at the last minute.
The key is took look at which reasoning and voting appears to be genuine and which appears to be faked.
I'll write a big post and post it before the night ends.
I'll also be around on and off for the next 10- hours or so if anyone want's to chat. I do! On December 11 2013 23:17 Plutarch wrote:
Also, Never ever ever make association cases before people have flipped. Do you really stand by this? Would you consider association cases and interactions to be that different? Yes. Association cases before flips are just dumb. I consider analyzing interactions to be an important part of scum hunting, but if a case only works if both of the associations are scum and neither have flipped the case is worthless until one of them flips. Sweet, have you looked at jarjar? A little. He seemed to bandwagon easily and without much justification at the end of the day. Do you know of his meta btw? He likes to tunnel people as scum. I have confirmation bias so look at it objectively and see if you find him tunneling me then not giving a shit about the lynch once it's clear that me or spag is lynched. He doesn't try to argue that I should be lynched at all after a certain point, just let's it happen.
You are like Spag 2.0
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I was wrong to defend Slam by the way. He would be a properly good vig hit.
The votes.
They speak to me.
Votes, what are you saying?
What's that about Alakaslam?
His wagon?
Apathetic?
Gasp, you are right votes!
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I feel like alot of players here see this game as a boxing match. It is if you play it like one.
Let's play mousetrap instead!
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