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Commenting on Artanis vs Xatalos
Artanis- I'm gonna pin down Artanis as not maifa for right now. The main reasoning is his case on Xatalos is not bullshit, and it's the only half-decent case I have seen atm. Not to say that it is good, there are many points in which is disagre on, however more on that later.
Xatalos- Horrible horrible day one play. I'm going to flag his as red atm for this and this alone. The main reasoning stands from in part, my reversal of this stance
On December 10 2013 07:36 LSB wrote:Show nested quote +On December 10 2013 07:24 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On December 10 2013 07:21 LSB wrote:On December 10 2013 07:19 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On December 10 2013 07:17 LSB wrote:
I think we need to calm down. My "townie on townie day 1 shitstorm" sense is tingling.
That speaking, oddly enough it does encourage a Xatalos lynch Whom do you feel are townies from this and why? It hasn't really been one on one. It's been HF and Xatalos against Cora, and myself, Alakaslam and you against Xatalos. If you feel it's townie on townie, then you'd think Xatalos was town. So far I think I am townie, I haven't really thought past that. I just don't think this day 1 attitude is gonna be very productive. The whole entire Xatalos suspicion does require a meta read on Xatalos to see if he is brilliant enough to try for the plan on day 1, or does he just play like this. I just skimmed through the filter he linked and I don't think it looks like the start of this game at all. He's far more aggressive here. What were you trying to say exactly with your initial post if you didn't mean to give anyone a town read but yourself? I'm confused. I don't think a plan other than "starting shit" is required for scum. That's always a good thing. In my opinion natural scum play is to stay low, especially on day 1, the town tends to self destruct anyways day 1. This whole entire "starting shit" strat is actually pretty good, even though it is counterintuitive to the idea of trying to not draw attention. Thus I assumed this strat is not very obvious, especially since I personally never considered it. This is all pure speculation. Something more grounded is that Xatalos is definably acting very different from before, and in my eyes less of a townie
I am going to first off start off by retracting part of this analysis. After hosting some voice mafia I'm going to say the easiest way to play scum is the powerplay. Be super active and ask lots of question, pouncing on anything that anyone can deem scummily.
Compared to GoT where Xatalos was town, Xatalos is far less conservative in his red reads. His hyperaggressiveness certainly has not helped the town which has suffered heavily from all of the flame.
+ Show Spoiler +You may ask. "Why LSB didn't you bother lynching him day 2 for it, now you are just bandwagoning" and I will reply "I waz busy and didn't read". And then you ask "But LSB you never read don't you" and I will ask "Can you link me the game we are playing so I can read and then awnser your question"
Alakaslam
On December 15 2013 05:58 Alakaslam wrote:
Dude no
##un
[]%## vote xigxag
So why did he do this?
On December 15 2013 06:37 Alakaslam wrote:Show nested quote +On December 15 2013 06:33 VayneAuthority wrote:On December 15 2013 06:31 Alakaslam wrote:On December 15 2013 06:06 VayneAuthority wrote:
k now some one try and explain what alakaslam just tried to do, plz. Tried to make sure you were lynched before LSB if it was gonna be those wagons. I didn't have confidence in Rayne, his word is now strong with me. doesn't explain this On December 15 2013 06:02 VayneAuthority wrote:On December 15 2013 05:54 Alakaslam wrote:On December 15 2013 05:52 JarJarDrinks wrote:
@Alakaslam what r u doing w/ ur vote? Making sure if it is equal between vayne and LSB it winds up being vayne. I would prefer purple and cig. and then you and purple vote to try and kill me. You preferred purple and saw that purple was about to be lynched, then in tandem with purple tried to last second kill me. I switched to xigxag and had been defending you all day, how do you arrive at that conclusion? You are emo tunneled like jarjardrinks was emo tunneling you.
So apparently Alakaslam thinks that both XigXag and purpletrator are mafia, so he switches his vote off of purpletrator onto XigXag minutes before the deadline so VayneAuthority the person who he has a green read on, will be lynched.
Alakaslam is clearly lying and tried a last minute save of his teammate
Current Scum Team Reads willing to bandwagon anyone in this list who is put up to the lynch:
Xatalos/SideSprang/Alakaslam/purpletrator
##Unvote
##Vote: Xatalos
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On December 17 2013 04:49 LSB wrote:
Current Scum Team Reads willing to bandwagon anyone in this list who is put up to the lynch:
Xatalos/SideSprang/Alakaslam/purpletrator This is exactly what I have too.
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W/ Grack as SK for what I pointed out about how he voted vayne day 1 but day 2 refused to do so w/o giving any reason and then let his vote just waste even though he was in thread @ the deadline.
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BH, I don't see why lynching an enigma is better than lynching someone I'm like 90% certain of is scum. I want to lynch the person I find most scummy, not someone who's just afk and could come back halfway through the game or could get modkilled in the meantime, or whatever. I want to lynch the scummiest player in the game which is Xatalos.
LSB, which points do you disagree with? I'd be happy to debate them.
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Biggest thing is your vote analysis of Xatalos, but I'd rather not debate whether or not Xatalos is scum with you when we both agree that he is scum
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On December 17 2013 05:46 LSB wrote:
Biggest thing is your vote analysis of Xatalos, but I'd rather not debate whether or not Xatalos is scum with you when we both agree that he is scum
The idea of the debate would be to convince those who don't think so yet.
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Blazinghand
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BTW lsb I like that analsys of alak but shouldn't that mean lynchijg him and not xat?
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Ya Alak is the safer lynch of course. If a bandwagon going on him I'll lynch him too. Right now the bandwagon is on Xata though so that's why i'm voting Xata
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Blazinghand
United States25550 Posts
I don't like that as a reason. If I had a strong scumread on alak (since even if xata is town, alak's actions are scummy) and a weaker (unflipped associative!) scumread on Xata, I'd push and vote alak rather than xata, and just say i'm open to the option of lynching xata. It's not like there's 2 hours left to the lynch, and your only option is the consolidate; why not lynch the guy who you think is more likely to flip scum?
even the so-called "wagon" on xata has only 2 votes. i don't get why you're not playing this like you did here (link). I'd like a better explanation than you just gave.
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I lynch people who I think are scum. It's as simple as that.
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On December 17 2013 04:49 LSB wrote:Commenting on Artanis vs XatalosArtanis- I'm gonna pin down Artanis as not maifa for right now. The main reasoning is his case on Xatalos is not bullshit, and it's the only half-decent case I have seen atm. Not to say that it is good, there are many points in which is disagre on, however more on that later. Xatalos- Horrible horrible day one play. I'm going to flag his as red atm for this and this alone. The main reasoning stands from in part, my reversal of this stance Show nested quote +On December 10 2013 07:36 LSB wrote:On December 10 2013 07:24 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On December 10 2013 07:21 LSB wrote:On December 10 2013 07:19 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On December 10 2013 07:17 LSB wrote:
I think we need to calm down. My "townie on townie day 1 shitstorm" sense is tingling.
That speaking, oddly enough it does encourage a Xatalos lynch Whom do you feel are townies from this and why? It hasn't really been one on one. It's been HF and Xatalos against Cora, and myself, Alakaslam and you against Xatalos. If you feel it's townie on townie, then you'd think Xatalos was town. So far I think I am townie, I haven't really thought past that. I just don't think this day 1 attitude is gonna be very productive. The whole entire Xatalos suspicion does require a meta read on Xatalos to see if he is brilliant enough to try for the plan on day 1, or does he just play like this. I just skimmed through the filter he linked and I don't think it looks like the start of this game at all. He's far more aggressive here. What were you trying to say exactly with your initial post if you didn't mean to give anyone a town read but yourself? I'm confused. I don't think a plan other than "starting shit" is required for scum. That's always a good thing. In my opinion natural scum play is to stay low, especially on day 1, the town tends to self destruct anyways day 1. This whole entire "starting shit" strat is actually pretty good, even though it is counterintuitive to the idea of trying to not draw attention. Thus I assumed this strat is not very obvious, especially since I personally never considered it. This is all pure speculation. Something more grounded is that Xatalos is definably acting very different from before, and in my eyes less of a townie I am going to first off start off by retracting part of this analysis. After hosting some voice mafia I'm going to say the easiest way to play scum is the powerplay. Be super active and ask lots of question, pouncing on anything that anyone can deem scummily. Compared to GoT where Xatalos was town, Xatalos is far less conservative in his red reads. His hyperaggressiveness certainly has not helped the town which has suffered heavily from all of the flame. + Show Spoiler +You may ask. "Why LSB didn't you bother lynching him day 2 for it, now you are just bandwagoning" and I will reply "I waz busy and didn't read". And then you ask "But LSB you never read don't you" and I will ask "Can you link me the game we are playing so I can read and then awnser your question" So why did he do this? Show nested quote +On December 15 2013 06:37 Alakaslam wrote:On December 15 2013 06:33 VayneAuthority wrote:On December 15 2013 06:31 Alakaslam wrote:On December 15 2013 06:06 VayneAuthority wrote:
k now some one try and explain what alakaslam just tried to do, plz. Tried to make sure you were lynched before LSB if it was gonna be those wagons. I didn't have confidence in Rayne, his word is now strong with me. doesn't explain this On December 15 2013 06:02 VayneAuthority wrote:On December 15 2013 05:54 Alakaslam wrote:On December 15 2013 05:52 JarJarDrinks wrote:
@Alakaslam what r u doing w/ ur vote? Making sure if it is equal between vayne and LSB it winds up being vayne. I would prefer purple and cig. and then you and purple vote to try and kill me. You preferred purple and saw that purple was about to be lynched, then in tandem with purple tried to last second kill me. I switched to xigxag and had been defending you all day, how do you arrive at that conclusion? You are emo tunneled like jarjardrinks was emo tunneling you. So apparently Alakaslam thinks that both XigXag and purpletrator are mafia, so he switches his vote off of purpletrator onto XigXag minutes before the deadline so VayneAuthority the person who he has a green read on, will be lynched. Alakaslam is clearly lying and tried a last minute save of his teammate Current Scum Team Reads willing to bandwagon anyone in this list who is put up to the lynch: Xatalos/SideSprang/Alakaslam/ purpletrator##Unvote##Vote: Xatalos
There has to be a fallacy in here because you tell me I'm lying in here when I'm not
But lynchig me before lylo is better than then. Not gonna fight this too hard, I'm just vt.
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On December 17 2013 03:57 LSB wrote:
Also, anyone have any idea why Kushmasta was killed? I don't think it is a coincidence that we got two medics blue sniped on us.
I'm just reading his filter and incredibly confused
SK doesn't care who he kills.
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Blazinghand
United States25550 Posts
On December 17 2013 09:14 LSB wrote:
I lynch people who I think are scum. It's as simple as that.
but not the person you think is most likely to flip scum? you're not lynching anyone.
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On December 17 2013 03:38 Blazinghand wrote:
LIKE REALLY MAN THINK ABOUT IT. for all we know xigxag's posts would be way scummier than LSB's, but WE DONT KNOW. WE DONT BECAUSE HES NOT POSTING.
nobody has a townread on xigxag. You want to know why? the motherflipper has been lurking. We can't rely on a cop in a game with 2 docs and a vigi. We can't rely on anything but the lynch, our best and first tool for destroying scum. You want xig around in LYLO? cuase that's what's gonna happen unless we lynch him before then. Scum sure as dicks aint gonna shoot him. SK won't shoot him since he doesn't know whether he's shooting scum or town when he shoots xig.
Xigxag will make it to lylo unless we stop him. The ONLY argument against lynching him that makes sense is "I think he'll get modkilled" but even then we can't rely on it, he is playing to avoid getting modkilled. Everyone's like "well I don't have a scumread on him" but shitake mushrooms, man, that ain't gonna change. What you think he's gonna somehow do something that makes him a townread for you? If so I got a bridge to sell you, real cheap, I promise.
Lynch Xigxag. it's the only move. Everyone talks about how we should lynch out the lurkers to avoid BS like this but nobody has the cojones to do it.
come on guys. have cojones. make the right play for once.
I'm way ahead of this
Yet I'm scum for getting suspicious of last minute shenannies and doing literally last minute vote switching TO XIGXAG. That did nothing.
I just don't get it. I thought last minute wagons were scummy, for one, and for another, I thought your vote shows where you stand.
What happened or why was I lead to believe this stuff?
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On December 17 2013 06:50 Blazinghand wrote:I don't like that as a reason. If I had a strong scumread on alak (since even if xata is town, alak's actions are scummy) and a weaker (unflipped associative!) scumread on Xata, I'd push and vote alak rather than xata, and just say i'm open to the option of lynching xata. It's not like there's 2 hours left to the lynch, and your only option is the consolidate; why not lynch the guy who you think is more likely to flip scum? even the so-called "wagon" on xata has only 2 votes. i don't get why you're not playing this like you did here (link). I'd like a better explanation than you just gave.
You all know still nobody has explained how that is scummy? Or maybe you do know but feel it isn't worth explaining? Or I have CONF bias about my own alignment and am blind to the points others are making?
The heck is wrong with this time around?
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Blazinghand
United States25550 Posts
a last minute vote to a wagon that's not happening is opting out of the discourse.
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I believe we have difference in how we play mafia.
My play revolves around identifying who I think is scum and then going after them. If I doubt that they are scum, I remove them off of my list and no longer go after them. I do not relish the concept of lynching someone who I think is town, and unless I am consolidating my vote to a major candidate I will no push someone who I think may be town.
Alakaslam is safer because we caught him lying, while Xatalos is more of a read based on day 1 play. I still think both of them are scum and would be willing to lynch either. Nor do I want you to forget SideSprang.
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Blazinghand
United States25550 Posts
On December 17 2013 09:31 LSB wrote:
I believe we have difference in how we play mafia.
My play revolves around identifying who I think is scum and then going after them. If I doubt that they are scum, I remove them off of my list and no longer go after them. I do not relish the concept of lynching someone who I think is town, and unless I am consolidating my vote to a major candidate I will no push someone who I think may be town.
Alakaslam is safer because we caught him lying, while Xatalos is more of a read based on day 1 play. I still think both of them are scum and would be willing to lynch either. Nor do I want you to forget SideSprang.
right, I follow your logic entirely. the part where you lose me is the part where, halfway through this day, you vote xata or alak even though you think alak is more likely to be scum (or in your words, "safer") based on a xata "wagon" of 2 votes. why not push your top scumread and say you're willing to lynch xata, like you did yesterday?
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On December 17 2013 09:30 Blazinghand wrote:
a last minute vote to a wagon that's not happening is opting out of the discourse.
Then I opted out of the discourse because I got suspicious of Rayne's snap wagon.
As scum. I "knew" the bus was going down when I initially voted purple. You guys take me for a fool scum? You're kidding me, grab dat towncred with both hands. No way I'm giving up being part of a bus, to defend a teammate who is clearly getting suspicious enough for the snapwagon to happen anyway. If I was as knowledgable about the implications of the switch as you all imply with my "lie" then I would have known it didn't save purple and would not have done it.
I take this as an insult to my scum play.
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Let alone if he was goon, I would be a pr. Lol! Lynch that plebeian with fire and fury!
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