PYP: League of Legends Mafia

On November 30 2013 00:19 supersoft wrote:
4 am will be impossible for me to be around though...

On December 01 2013 04:49 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Can we have 6 votes on Graves aswell and then 6 on Nocturne? Then everyone else can vote for those three however they like. That would be my bans.

Also i am picking [1][1]. I prolly won't get the first spot as Mocsta is apparently afk and said before the game he will do the same, but w/e. I suggest the following based on my townreads:
[2][1] geript
[3][1] OdinOfPergo
[4][1] supersoft
[5][1] JonnyLaw
[6][1] Oatsmaster

That's my plan. Everyone else can pick w/e, because they are not town enough or scummy.
VE, Oats and Kurumi have dedicated the game into "let's bitch on rayn" but i don't care, let them do whatever they want. ^^

Good catch on Rean Oats, i didn't realize he was not new, as he hasn't played in a long time.

On December 01 2013 02:36 Kurumi wrote:
We don't give out our pick numbers until we know the draft results. It worked last PYP and I am going to do same here.

On December 01 2013 03:04 Kurumi wrote:
I am going to find the fastest way to kill rayn, just throwing it out. He's aggressive, being all around dick for the sake of being a dick and tries to shove his "great plan" based on his own reads on all of town. I might even pick 1,1 just out of spite.

On November 30 2013 20:05 raynpelikoneet wrote:

So you have not read anything. check.
The problem with assigning vets to top picks is that we should assign townies to top picks. Anything else is idiotic.

On November 30 2013 21:27 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Well i don't wanna play in a game where people say making bad posts is a town-tell for anyone and where people say i can't have a scumread on someone based on that they are incapable of posting 10 times / phase as scum.

I honestly don't give a fuck if you lynch me. I couldn't care less because lately TL town have been absolutely crap. Me + Risen should get top 2 spots and then we just shoot stupidity. That's the best plan.

On December 01 2013 06:34 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Oh yeah i think there is a fair chance that JAT is scum. He made a MQ post, he has never done so as town. That's like picking up posts and calling them out without saying if someone is scum or not, just "good post", "bad post", "bad post" etc etc.

On December 02 2013 01:50 Oatsmaster wrote:
So rayn;'s plan, claim 1/1, then dont pick 1/1 and YOU KNOW that town is gonna pick 1/1 but scum wants roles more than town so they aint gonna pick 1/1

On December 02 2013 03:00 supersoft wrote:


I don't get this either. But I don't see a scummotivation behind this...

On December 02 2013 03:03 Oatsmaster wrote:

You are telling me you never entertained the idea of picking 1/1?

On December 02 2013 08:54 geript wrote:
not to mention that we'd also have to 100% have people committed to "check if it's taken" picks. People won't do that.

On December 02 2013 09:03 austinmcc wrote:
Mass claiming requires everybody to cooperate, and has no way of determining whether mafia didn't cooperate with something or stubborn/fun-seeking townies didn't. Look at crap like people always wanting inventor, or wanting a specific champ this time around (there have been a couple "i'm picking my favorite champs"). Also, it's close to deadline and you won't get everyone to post/agree.

I think it's a fine plan but not in this situation. It's great in theory but in practice it is so horribly likely to work like the optimal case, and the main reason for that is that people are people and not that mafia will twirl their moustaches and screw up the plan.

On December 02 2013 09:19 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
Roles do not = alignment. Mass claiming roles really doesn't give anyone an idea of anyones alignment. And given the sheer fact every role has hidden shit Outing all that hidden shite is dumb. Mafia clearly didn't want to deal with dt roles this game and if anyones secret role info ends up being a dt why would you out that for mafia? Also people having x roles means any role that requires knowing someone elses role to activate or reach full power of said role gives mafia a huge advantage. It also lets mafia snipe more threatening roles to them more quickly and also makes it harder to determine peoples alignment given that they can shoot based off of "that role would suck to face" as opposed to offing people who are being solid townies, etc.. and thus throwing town into chaos.

Claiming is situational and a mass claim does not help the town anywhere near as much as it helps mafia.

On December 02 2013 09:27 LSB wrote:

I wouldn't say it is totally wrong. Ever since town decided the best idea was to ban out the obvious mafia roles, which was a horrible idea because those would be easy mafia kills, roles do not = aliment.

However, giving mafia the power roles free reign is an incredibly stupid idea and come day I will be roleclaiming and voting anyone who doesnt

On December 02 2013 09:51 raynpelikoneet wrote:

I'm pretty sure you won't get that role from your spot. But you can always try!

On December 02 2013 09:44 raynpelikoneet wrote:

It's okay. I got a team name too.

On December 02 2013 09:59 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I would not call #19 "quite decent spot". ^^

On December 02 2013 10:24 LSB wrote:

I am very confused by this post. I think we should role claim after we get our roles. I haven't commented about claiming before we get our roles

On December 03 2013 03:34 LSB wrote:
Responses to things pointed at me
On not banning mafia roles:
Comeon guys, if someone picks and uses a mafia role, you kill em because they are scum. No sane townie would ever use the mafia role. Sure it makes things harder for the town, but if the mafia dares try to use their role, they are painting an easy target on their back.

Honestly I'd be okay with not having one or two flips for a guaranteed mafia kill. It would have been really easy to point out who took what role after a mass role claim. However I wasn't here for the ban phase and that is already over so I'm not going to comment on that


Of course I'm going to pick that role when I (as well as BC) singled it out as a power role. I am surprised that I actually got the role even though I am dead last pick.

Speaking of Which


What's up with this Bum? I would like a roleclaim please (Bumatlarge) as well as what you picked if you were VT. Or you can claim you went Tryndamere and we can both confirm our roles tonight.

I don't understand supersoft's argument so I won't respond to it unless someone can explain it to me.

Reposting the claim list
I admit that I skimmed so I might have missed additional claims. Can someone tell me if there are any discrepancies

Koshi [2][1] - Viktor
Kurumi [4][6] - Big Bad Wolf
VisceraEyes [5][4] - Lux
jcarlsoniv [9][3]
Mig [12][1] - Urgot?
JonnyLaw [14][11]
Risen [15][15]
StorrZerg [23][23]
geript [24][24] Warwick? -> VT?
austinmcc [6][3]
Meapak_Ziphh [6][14]
Sandroba Fiora?
Kenpachi[8][15] - VT?
Rean [16][2] ?-> VT
bumatlarge [16][12] ->
BloddyC0bbler [17][5] Janna?
justanothertownie
marvellosity [7][2] - Blue Claim
gtrsrs [7][11] Kha'Zix -> VT
OdinOfPergo [7][16] Karma -> VT
Mocsta [1][5] ? ->VT
supersoft [1][30]
Oatsmaster [1][1] Cho'Gath ->VT
raynpelikoneet [1][1] - Shen
kushm4sta
ticklishmusic Taric
Roffles
Coagulation
jaybrundage [Tabbz] Ezreal?
LSB -> Tryndamere

On December 03 2013 03:56 LSB wrote:
Lastly I'm going to policy vote Bum for not following through with what he was pushing. Just for a point of reference in PYP2 (i think), I was SK and I pushed heavily a plan, and I deviated from it as a way to attempt to make sure I was invincible.

##Vote: Bumatlarge

On December 03 2013 04:37 VisceraEyes wrote:
I dont like passive so much this game we have no reliable means of clearing lurkers.

On December 03 2013 06:50 jaybrundage wrote:

During the game I played with you I thought you were towns tons of times. Reads can change thru out the game. But you played scum very well and proceeded to trick everyone and win the game as scum. I thought i had played another game with you but i was wrong. Regardless my whole post was to say you play a very good scum and I if you play townie-like there is a still a very strong chance you can be scum. So im gonna FOS you like a sonovabitch.

Also you have me a scum read I read later on. Please Marv tell me why I would create a terrible case on you a townie vet. As mafia and draw my self into the spotlight. It wasn't even a case ffs. It was a gut read. You say Im bullshitting. But how is a gut read bullshitting it just is a feeling. If your not dead in a day or 2 your prolly mafia regardless of how your playing.



Roffles I have never played with you. Your reasoning is shit because I don't play town how others would or optimally. I am unique or as some would say lynchbait. Oh no you say you shouldn't call your self lynchbait thats anti town. Well actually referring to my self as lynch bait is a null tell. I do it as scum or town. If you wanna make a case on me go read some of my games and understand my meta. Cause if you use simple basic guidelines for town, your gonna mislynch a townie.

My reasoning for going after Marv is because I played a good scum game and I'm very wary of him cause he won the game for his team. Would scum go after a Vet like Marv let alone my scum play. I basically lurk super hard as scum I wouldn't go after someone like Marv because that would draw unwanted attention. Regardless read my meta or drop the case, cause its shit.

On December 03 2013 00:31 jcarlsoniv wrote:


I feel it. I know people aren't looking at him because he is usually aggressive (apparently), but his filter feels like just aggression to a whole bunch of different people. Then there are a few odd things:





Two directly contradictory posts.

There hasn't been a whole lot to look at since.

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Rayn - I still don't understand where half of your reads are coming from. Like, I see a little brief reasoning for some of them, but you're seeing things I'm not or you're drawing from past experiences and using gut reads off of very little. There are things I disagree with in your townie lists.

I put my target on you D0 because of this. That said, however - you have kept activity up and you seem to be working hard to do things right. I'm willing to acknowledge when I may have made a mistake.

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Concerning gtr -

I agree with most of the negative points made against him. However, I have also been in the position of really wanting a power role, and being bummed and unmotivated when I didn't get one. I can especially see this as the case when there are so many cool powers to grab.

I would want to see/hear more from him in general.

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Case against me -

It's a fine case I guess, but it's wrong.

I explained my early pinpointing of rayn above.

You focus on my aggression, but don't blink at geript's? Again, maybe this is because he is known for it, but his was more widespread. Mine was really just focused at rayn.

I did not change my opinion of speculating roles. Roffles implied that we really put in some time and nail down all the champs' extra abilities to try and strategize around it. I was pointing out that the DT roles were likely not all banned out and was considering some of the possible ones that could still be in - I thought it was relevant because scum was making an opaque push at getting rid of DTs.

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sorry I guess... I've been scum like, 2 or 3 times ever.

On December 03 2013 08:50 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Mass-claim will always be the best idea in games where there are mass roles. It's just.. it just is because it's easy to separate people from lying / telling the truth. And people who are telling the truth will work for town's plans. People who are lying are mafia. If mafia want's to lie they need to take a risk in "will i get caught doing this".

On December 03 2013 08:53 LSB wrote:

I think this is the most important thing that needs to get done and that's why I am pushing for it so hard. I do not understand why you think I should "give this up" an idea that you admit is "pro town". I am more concerned about doing things that will be very important to the town as a whole, and someone needs to do this and I decided to do it.

If you want a scum read I'd say I'd read you as red, I can understand if you are saying stop yelling for massclaim because it is bad for XYZ. But to say stop yelling for massclaim even though it is a good idea stinks of casual sabotage. I would rather have your support for a plan you admit is "pro town" rather than attempting to dissuade it before it is completed.

On December 03 2013 08:56 raynpelikoneet wrote:

It doesn't matter if the setup is closed, open, or semi-open.

On December 03 2013 08:57 VisceraEyes wrote:
My name is VisceraEyes, and I agree that if you're a VT you should claim who you picked.

geript caught me out big time in Boardwalk by trying to pick a power that I picked. Through a good bit of behavioral analysis, he even got the thread to lynch me. None of that would have been possible if he'd kept his mouth shut about what role he tried to pick...because I had a plan for that role and town knowing I had it really fucked it over.

If you're a VT you should claim who you picked.

On December 03 2013 09:04 raynpelikoneet wrote:

Scum can always coordinate their actions well because they have a team. Cooperation is a MUST for the town when everyone has a role. Otherwise people will just screw each other over when they for example roleblock scummy people (who end up being town) who have roles that are good for town.

If we massclaim we can coordinate all actions at towns best interest. If someone does not do what they are supposed to, they risk of being lynched due to lying, it does not matter if they are town or scum, you just coordinate all the powers regardless of affiliation. Someone fucks up = lynch. Of course scum might lie and not get caught, but if they lie on N1 they misght get caught on N4 for example, when people flip and we are able to confirm roles/actions.

Knowing all actions and assumed roles at all times is highly beneficial because there is no room for scum to hide with power.

On December 03 2013 20:28 raynpelikoneet wrote:
What? Oats and kushmasta are quite obviously town.

Do you think gtrsrs and JonnyLaw are scum, like honestly? gtrsrs did just make a case based on completely false setup information? Like he totally faked it? JohnnyLaw does not know which player list to look into when discussing things about player-mover roles. Do you really think scum are not that aware of the setup or do you think they are faking it here?

What separates ticklish from let's say Rean? ticklish came in and this is what he did:
"i had a scumread on rayn, but after 2 days of looking into his past games i don't anymore"
"i don't remember why i had a scumread on him"
"my townread is based on him now being abrasive, which he is as town"
"i however do not mention how that is different from his scumgames while i was asked about it"
"i might not post much because i wanna get to know people's playstyles before making judgement on them -> i need to read their past games first"
"but kushmasta is scum, that i can say - while other people tell this is what he does as town"

and geript's push on Oats is ridiculous, he takes some aspects of Oats' play and fits them into something Oats has once done as scum. That's not meta, that's bullshit. Especially considering Oats does all those things as town.

seriously marv?

On December 03 2013 20:30 marvellosity wrote:
Why do you think I put them under "do not lynch"?

Hello?

On December 03 2013 20:43 marvellosity wrote:

My issue with ticklish being mafia is:
1.I believe he went away and read rayn towngames. Lazy lurky mafia won't usually do this
2.He actually found inconsistency in kush's filter. Now this doesn't make kush mafia obviously, but it does mean tickling was attentive enough to notice
3.his posts have a IDGAF feel about them.

On December 03 2013 22:29 geript wrote:

There aren't other horses I like. I don't trust Oats push on LSB. Sure the Oats scum storyline makes sense, "Well I can't drop this because it's not happening because then people will instantly call me scum for not 'believing in /pushing' my plan". Sure it makes sense, but the flip side is also true as town you're likely to push that shit regardless. Also, Rayn I'm pretty sure is scum. He was a big push in the graves ban. More importantly town Rayn doesn't consider voting his early town reads. Like never and especially not D1. I think he's being opportunistic in who he's targeting.

On December 03 2013 12:23 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:

This is horrible horrible reasoning for a townie.

a) who cares what you are, I am of the opinion that the less information we give the scum team the better
b) being concerned about getting lynched is a very scum oriented mindset, townies have nothing to fear from the lynch because they are inherently innocent, it is a scum mindset to focus on not getting lynched.
c) nobody cares about how much damage you do, you took a scum role, it should never be used
d) the collateral damage your role does means it should never be used to target one person

Seriously LSB it's pretty clear you are not looking at this from a town angle. This is a PYP game, there are so many unknowns that the less kp townies throw around the better. The last thing I want to see is for this town to shoot itself to death while scum laugh their way to gg. You throwing kp around indiscriminately is the most blatantly anti town thing done in this thread so far.

On December 03 2013 23:39 jcarlsoniv wrote:
@jat: what was the purpose of that post, aside from linking quotes from 4 different people to make it really long?

So you don't like the way M_Z is attacking LSB, but you think LSB should die. Do you think M_Z is scum?

On December 03 2013 23:43 marvellosity wrote:
jat, your post is pretty bad.

I did answer his questions after rayn posted again. I've been in a few games with rayn where he called me mafia because I didn't line up with his thought process, though he seems to have gotten over that which is nice.

I don't really understand why you're nitpicking at me because it should be fairly obvious I'm town by this stage, much the same as you're having a go at geript for calling rayn mafia when rayn is obviously town (which has already been done by me indeed, but you may as well do it again, right?)

On December 04 2013 00:01 jcarlsoniv wrote:
jat, I'm fine with you quoting posts to respond to, that's normal.

that doesn't excuse the fact that you didn't actually say anything in your post

On December 04 2013 00:02 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I dunno why you need to be ovely defensive about your posts length JAT. Is there any specific reason why you say "i am capable of making one-liners too"?

On December 03 2013 23:58 marvellosity wrote:
I don't even know what jat's issue is so I'm just going to ignore it. I explained myself and jat just repeated what he already said. It can wait anyways.

On December 04 2013 02:43 Rean wrote:


I don't give a fuck if he does this regularly, there is NO WAY anyone should be allowed to say that ever.

On December 04 2013 02:45 marvellosity wrote:

I'm not really setup-man so I don't have any particular opinion other than what I've already stated - claimed VTs should claim what they tried to choose originally.

There are probably ones that I missed but this includes
Rean
Mocsta
OdinofPergo

I'm sure various claiming will be useful at some point but I don't think that point is now.

On December 02 2013 09:07 LSB wrote:
Okay here is my DANGER DANGER list of roles who I want public. Should mafia get their hands on them and use them to their own devices it is basically gg. Viktor, Heimerdinger, Tryndamere, Janna, Kha'Zix

On December 03 2013 03:34 LSB wrote:
Responses to things pointed at me
On not banning mafia roles:
Comeon guys, if someone picks and uses a mafia role, you kill em because they are scum. No sane townie would ever use the mafia role.

On December 03 2013 11:55 LSB wrote:
My night action is gonna be to move 3 up. Though unless some friendly helper would like to give me more KP, it's gonna be more like a feather than a hammer

On December 03 2013 12:04 LSB wrote:

Yo, there have been multiple people questioning whether or not I'm actually Tyr and multiple people questioned whether even if I am Tyr if my self reported damage is correct. Sitting on my role is a horrible horrible idea and the quickest way to get lynched day 2.

Plus I want to kill Bum. Actually that's most of the reason

On December 04 2013 03:57 sandroba wrote:
People voting LSB here is what I think:
It is only possible LSB is scum if bum is scum.

If Bum is town and LSB is scum, LSB wouldn't have taken trynn, because his team would have told him not to do so since Bum was probably going to take it.
If Bum is scum and LSB is scum, he could have dropped it to LSB, but I don't think that's the most likely scenario.
If Bum is scum and LSB is town and just replaced in and didn't read bum's plans he could have went for tryn. This seems likely to me because LSB only noticed Bum didn't follow his own plan after BC called out bum on it.
The other scenario is bum and lsb are town, which is also possible.

But the base line is, if you think LSB is scum vote Bum first. I bet you any amount you want that if LSB was scum and just replaced in he would have consulted with his team before picking something and they would have told him Bum was planning on picking trynn.

On December 04 2013 05:41 LSB wrote:
I picked my role to check to see if it was taken. It was on my list of dangerous roles and given I had last pick, my chance of getting a role I wanted was very low, so I spent my pick trying to figure out if the role had been taken.

What I plan on doing with Tyr- There will be three actions I will restrict myself to this game
1) Verify my role claim, a one time action in which I will attempt to verify that I have this role. I will announce my use of this action well before the night post
2) Move one space to damage someone I believe is mafia. I will not be using this ability night 1 atm, I will announce my usel of this action well before the night post.
3) Do nothing.

What I plan on doing tonight
If Bum is lynched - I will do nothing
If Bum is not Lynched - I will verify my role claim by moving up three spaces.

On December 04 2013 06:08 LSB wrote:

I don't think you understand what I posted. I am more interested in finding out the existence (and if they do the location) of the power roles and denial of their abilities to maifa. As last pick I understand the chances of me getting a role is very little, so it is far more important for me to use my pick as a way to verify the existence of a role rather than attempting to actually get a role. As last pick my optimal play is to pick a random role and that fell on tyr.

On December 04 2013 06:31 sandroba wrote:

If Bum took trynn as scum, he wouldn't ever be able to justify using it. Trynn is actually terrible for scum. It's pretty obivious when you are moving 5 pos and hitting people randomly that you aren't town. And if you don't plan on doing that why take it in the first place? Better to take some concentrated kp to eliminate threats quickly.
But if he faked taking trynn and took something else it would give him town cred for never using the ability plus it would allow him to use whichever other role without suspicion. Too bad for him LSB didn't read the thread and randomly took trynn.

On December 04 2013 06:39 Rean wrote:


I'm not actively reading the thread, just happened to be around at the time. And it really annoyed me that apparently it's okay to tell others to kill themselves over a fucking game.
ATM I don't have any opinions on anyone, didn't really read that much of the thread. Prolly gonna find someone that looks town enough and go full sheep.

On December 04 2013 06:40 VisceraEyes wrote:

I don't buy it sand - I don't buy that he was ever concerned about potentially game-breaking abilities while in the same breath calling for people to augment his senseless N1 "confirmation whirl". I don't buy that he's reading the thread and coming to conclusions about peoples' alignments, and I don't buy that he just randomly picked a character like Tryn before seeing if someone was going to pick it.

On December 04 2013 06:49 Rean wrote:


I pmd the host account hoping they're gonna do something about it but nothing so far >.>

On December 04 2013 08:33 sandroba wrote:

Posting over the p h one now so ill be brief. I dont think there was no hesitation. I thought it was p4etty damn hard to get people to vote him and at this point pehaps a few scum moved in on him too.

On December 04 2013 09:03 marvellosity wrote:

Stick about if you're about. I'm only just about. My aboutness is ready.

On December 04 2013 09:17 geript wrote:



One of the things that bothered me about jay earlier is that this doesn't feel honest to me. I can fall into the paranoid town trap pretty easily; I don't think this is real paranoia. When paranoid townies tend to derail, there's a very obsessive quality to it. Additionally, paranoia tends to spiral in drastic and crazy directions. What's really odd about it to me is that he both 'forgot to send in his numbers' despite being pro-"everyone should state their numbers" but additionally that he's not at all concerned with what/who marv chose. If I were that paranoid about Marv being scum, my #1 concern would've been getting a higher slot than Marv and trying to figure out what he would've taken so that he couldn't get it. Being a newb (or hasn't played much) I'd expect very different spins from him and I'm not really liking how lackadaisical he's been about his "concerns/FOS about Marv" without that really carrying into any other aspect of his game. Feels like a random newb card to me.

On December 04 2013 09:29 supersoft wrote:
okay there is an insanely strong wagon on bum :D
sandroba, mig, marv, VE, LBS...
what did he do? modconfirmed scum or what?

On December 04 2013 09:33 marvellosity wrote:
"I lurk superhard as scum" ------> goes missing for 24h and comes in with a terrible, generic +1 vote with no thought behind it.

On December 04 2013 09:52 JonnyLaw wrote:
Jay's obviously not helping the town but why does his last post bother you so much? Is it the comment that he likes LSB's read on Bum? That post doesn't say much to me.

His initial attack on you seems motivated by how much you burned his ass in the last game more than anything. I see where it could be used to gain town cred but what a weird way to go about it.

On December 04 2013 10:00 marvellosity wrote:
As an aside, these were the posts I wanted to think about



By and large I agree with sandro's reasoning I think, and I noted your post down jat because I agreed with the first half of your post when I read it. LSB posted stuff about it in the interim and I have no idea at all if I buy what he says. I just don't know lol.

On December 04 2013 10:23 jaybrundage wrote:

BEST MISLYNCH NA :D

On December 04 2013 10:47 Mig wrote:
Where is bum with his list of reads.

On December 04 2013 00:07 marvellosity wrote:

Well you should simply read sandroba's posts rather than mine, to be honest.

1.Called jcarl mafia then used that as an excuse not to do anything else
2.Danced around calling LSB mafia without ever calling LSB mafia (only to do so later) + random bullshit about LSB being Village Idiot
3.Strange justification for JonnyLaw read

Also personally
4.I believe sandroba is town and he feels strongly about this, and I can understand it.

Personally I like 2. the best.

On December 04 2013 01:21 marvellosity wrote:

I'm curious why you haven't tried to interact with your main scumread (jcarl) at all, given for example you've both been in the thread for the last couple hours.

Flicking through one of your earlier games, I noted that you stated that you relied on interactions with other players, and that's conspicuously absent regarding your read on jcarl.

On December 04 2013 20:13 raynpelikoneet wrote:

You are the only player i have ever played with who i allow to post before reading the thread without getting extremely irritated with them. Because it's pretty easy to say where you are at that moment and the evolvement of your thought process is clearly to be seen from those posts.

justanothertownie i think you should stop call this man scum, it's pretty easy to figure out he's not.

On December 04 2013 21:22 Koshi wrote:
rayn, are you alive at the end of this night? Do you think marv will be alive?

On December 04 2013 21:30 justanothertownie wrote:

What are you trying to accomplish with this question?

On December 05 2013 05:44 Promethelax wrote:
I have not looked at Rean at all. In all honesty what you have seen me post about in the thread composes 100% of what I have read of the game.

I'm willing to read into Rean if you are willing to respond to and interact with my cases/reads telling me what you agree with and what you disagree with and bringing new thoughts to the table.

On December 05 2013 05:47 VisceraEyes wrote:

/ignored.

/all Please report Promethelax for being a douche-twat feeding assbag.

On December 05 2013 06:59 Rean wrote:


Why would you ruin delicious strawberries with sugar and cream by adding champagne.

On December 05 2013 07:02 Rean wrote:


Uhm, I'm gonna shoot all of my glorious 50 KP at scum tonight, does that count?

On December 05 2013 07:07 marvellosity wrote:
Rean, why are you playing like you are?

Are you purposefully trying to make town lose? Because that's how it feels right now. What gives?

On December 05 2013 07:19 Rean wrote:


Not everyone has to play the same way you play or the way you think they should play. I'm most certainly not trying to make town lose.

On December 05 2013 07:32 Rean wrote:


I think you are confusing "playing against your own win con" with not actively pursuing victory by analyzing in the thread.
Playing against your own win con would involve trying to prevent people from winning the game by constantly derailing conversation or using roles to kill town/prevent mafia from dying (assuming you are aware they're town/mafia).

What I'm doing is simply not constantly analyzing in thread/making reads etc. I'm still trying to find scum, and am going to shoot the person I think is scum. If he doesn't die (likely with my next to nothing kp) and I still believe he is scum I will try to have him lynched instead.

On December 04 2013 11:55 Rean wrote:


And I was so hoping you'd be town. Sigh.

On December 05 2013 07:36 Rean wrote:
Someone just did 225 HP damage to me D: how uncivilized.

On December 05 2013 07:36 justanothertownie wrote:

This means it took you quite long to come to your conclusion.

On December 05 2013 08:52 sandroba wrote:
If by some chance I get killed tonight I would like to leave my best guesses for scum. I'll be more thourough if I survive.

supersoft
austinmcc
kenpachi
JonnyLaw
(Meapak)

LSB might be sk if there is one present.

cheers.

On December 05 2013 09:50 jcarlsoniv wrote:


I would actually be very surprised if people on the scum team were non-SKT. This whole game is built on flavor and following the structure of the League-atmosphere. It would just seem odd if they made this whole setup that SKT are the bad guys, and then make some SKT members non-scum.

On December 05 2013 09:57 geript wrote:

Of course he was. He's British right?

On December 05 2013 13:58 Rean wrote:
@Rayn, I "shot" (50 KP is barely worthy of that term when people have over fifteen times the hp) Austinmcc for his filter, not my question. His filter is full of reads but at no point did I get the impression that he's actually trying to get people lynched rather than just giving out reads on anything he can find.

On December 05 2013 14:11 Oatsmaster wrote:
Oh my, it sounds a lot like you are using a dead townies read to push a mislynch Mocsta.

On December 05 2013 14:14 OdinOfPergo wrote:
Actually wait, You guys are moving fast but when was it implied that VE used his binding light over Lux Cannon
? You can just quote/gimme a page number but I just checked his filter and didn't see him imply that he checked anyone.

On December 05 2013 14:51 Rean wrote:


I wouldn't say I have been trolling with my latest posts. D1/early N1 I wasn't taking it very seriously, mainly out of annoyance that in a game with so many cool roles I got stuck with something that's next to useless. But I think I'm doing fairly decently now, explaining who I think is scum and why.

On December 05 2013 14:56 Chezinu wrote:

LSB left him off his lists, btw.

On December 05 2013 16:15 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Another 20 posts of Rean and still no reads besides "austin gave reads and didn't want to follow them up".
This dude has one read in a 31 player game after over 100 hours of gameplay. scum.
Votes on him plz.

On December 05 2013 23:54 Koshi wrote:
___

This is how it goes for me:
ATM I would love to lynch Austin over Rean. If Austin is scum I find Rean scummy because in his doing nothing he picks out the 1 guy that puts pressure on him and is also scum. But if Austin is town Rean is still scummy for being wrong and doing nothing obviously.

But if Austin comes over here and proves he is planning on being useful and can build out his cases on Rean/MZ or finds new shit that proves Austin is town. I would have 0 problems with lynching Rean for being useless if we don't have better targets. If Rean flips scum I think Austin is probably town because the whole making a mistake on purpose sounds a bit farfetched.

On December 06 2013 02:49 supersoft wrote:


:D I laughed pretty hard.

Actually i started thinking about this game and balancewise Onegu should be scum...
I have a strong townread on sandroba and marv.
Mig looks solid.
VE and MZ are 50/50.

On December 06 2013 02:52 Onegu wrote:



Huh balancewise I should be scum? How do you get that?

On December 06 2013 02:55 supersoft wrote:
I haven't read anything from Onegu so far. It doesn't really matter. I believe these games are kinf of balanced. The nightkills were terrible sandroba and Marv survived. The fact that they killed Prom means that there is someone on their team who respects proms skills.
To be fair Prom had a very strong entrance and established himself well. Even though i am convinced that sandroba and marv should have been primary targets if any of the players I listed are on the scumteam.
+ There has to be one or two of the listed players in the scumteam.

On December 06 2013 02:58 supersoft wrote:


what do you not like about it?
Do you disagree with my reads on these players?
the question is how does LBS fit in this sheme now that bum flipped town.
What sandroba posted earlier about their relation makes a lot of sense and changed my view on LBS quite a bit...

On December 06 2013 03:03 supersoft wrote:


the post only contains the vet-balance-theory :D

On December 06 2013 03:37 Rean wrote:


Correct me if I'm wrong but willingly allowing yourself to be shot/lynched as town to prove a point is going against your win condition. Though I suppose with your play in BttB you probably don't agree on that.

On December 06 2013 03:44 Chezinu wrote:


The invention of The Crown of Solomon was not by your ability. I see you claim to have taken 50 damage.. interestingly poor choice... Do you think rayn is that slow?

On December 06 2013 23:03 kushm4sta wrote:
just changed my mind and i have austin as town now.

On December 06 2013 23:31 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I read last 15 pages and they were shit.

On December 06 2013 10:06 Mocsta wrote:
@Geript
Me likey the jonnylaw stuff.
Completely on point in my opinion.

Austin/JL are definitely good lynch choices for today
Between those two I think Austin is a better choice for long gain (i.e. more valuable)
whereas JL could be a better choice for short gain (i.e. higher in the draft order, so most likely has a decent hero)

I'm going to stick with Austin as a better lynch choice for the long gain.

On December 06 2013 12:21 Mocsta wrote:
JonnyLaw,
I'm going to choose my words carefully, after all there is no need to convince scum that they are scum.

(1) You are running a discredit campaign on me by twisting easy to prove facts. This *is* scummy

(2) How are you an easy bandwagon, when experienced players like Sandroba/Rayn don't agree with the strength of my read.
This is more discredit attempts

(3) If you did call me scum, you went about it in the most wishy-washy softly-spoken way possible, and that *is* scummy too.

All you say is you *could* lynch me.
Who are you *GOING* to lynch.

On December 06 2013 12:48 Mocsta wrote:
I must say, in isolation.
Rean shooting Austin wtih VT 50KP and immediately following up with a vote looks pretty good to me.

On December 06 2013 13:09 Mocsta wrote:

Thats the point.

If he is Rean is scum bussing scum austin -- SURELY, he would be making a bigger HOO-HAA about it to lap up the town cred.

If Rean is scum faking a read on town austin -- I would have thought Austin is considered a threat and more KP would be on him. Its very disjointed to only have the 50KP, no? Clearly this is conjecture, but it makes sense to me.

If Rean is town, I can see this set of actions making sense.

---

Like, Im not saying Rean is town. Im just saying that this set of actions reads like a town play to me.

On December 06 2013 15:15 Mocsta wrote:

ninja'd

next up the queue.

prob jat took it, bastard !

On December 07 2013 00:42 Mocsta wrote:
jat

firstly in Hogwarts u thought I was scum most of the game

secondly I will reply to that tomorrow when I'm not on phone. too hard to do multi quotes.

but quickly u found stuff ubdisagreee with great. none of it is explained as why its scummy or pushing scum agenda.

On December 07 2013 00:50 Mocsta wrote:

isn't Hogwarts where I streamed u?

u had trust issues with me all game, or am I getting confused with noir?

On December 07 2013 00:53 Mocsta wrote:

syllo thought I was scum.
I only became confirmed through night actions

anyways, its a silly point to hold me up on as we have played two games. and o nly one unread me clearly.

like I said, none of those items u raised dictate scummentality.
it just means we disagree on theory fundamentals.

will reply tomorrow.
sleep time for me

On December 07 2013 00:53 Mocsta wrote:

syllo thought I was scum.
I only became confirmed through night actions

anyways, its a silly point to hold me up on as we have played two games. and o nly one unread me clearly.

like I said, none of those items u raised dictate scummentality.
it just means we disagree on theory fundamentals.

will reply tomorrow.
sleep time for me

On December 07 2013 01:04 Mocsta wrote:
I prob won't be back till after deadline
sat day is always. busy for me.

sorry dude, if u really want a response I will turn a computer on, but honestly I think it can wait?
will check back in 2 to see if u want me to go on comp. o/w night

On December 07 2013 01:06 Oatsmaster wrote:
nonononono.

Lets not fucking lynch MZ, the towniest dude day 2. Nope. No.
Stop.
Right.
Now.


Lynch Roffles for not doing SHIT and just pointing stuff that looks 'bad' but not following up on anything, just content to sit back and chill out and watch town mislynch mz.

On December 07 2013 01:06 Oatsmaster wrote:
Or lynch Mocsta, that works too.

On December 07 2013 01:15 Roffles wrote:
Oats has been riding my dick cause he has nothing better to do than throw his votes away on someone of little relevancy.

He never makes a case, only says to other people, "Why not lynch Roffles?" over and over.

On December 07 2013 03:34 sandroba wrote:
Koshi [2][1] - Viktor - invented solomon's crown
Kurumi [4][6] - Warwick - modkilled
VisceraEyes [5][4] - Lux - ?
jcarlsoniv [9][3] - thresh - gave lantern to rayn
Mig [12][1] - cho - hit MZ's clone for 125dmg
JonnyLaw [14][11] - ??
Risen [15][15] - Karma - Tried to manson someone, but it didn't happened, claimed roleblocked
StorrZerg [23][23] - khazix - Killed N1
geript [24][24] twitch - was fed
austinmcc [6][3] - ?? - ??
Meapak_Ziphh [6][14] - Wukong - used clone
Sandroba [8][2]- Fiora - playing mind games with scum
Chezinu [8][15] - Twisted Fate - used secondary ability - knew mig is chogath
Rean [16][2] Lux-> VT
bumatlarge [16][12] -> Lux -> VT
Onegu [17][5] - ?? - ??
justanothertownie - ?? - ??
marvellosity [7][2] - Blue Claim - possibly dealt 125dmg to JL
gtrsrs [7][11] Kha'Zix -> VT
OdinOfPergo [7][16] Karma -> VT
Mocsta [1][5] fiddlesticks ->VT
supersoft [1][30] - ??
Oatsmaster [1][1] Cho'Gath ->VT
raynpelikoneet [1][1] - Shen - Protected Koshi
kushm4sta - ?? - ??
ticklishmusic - Taric - healed VE
Roffles - ?? - ??
Coagulation - ?? - ??
jaybrundage ?? - ??
LSB -> Tryndamere - ??

Updated role list acording to what I have. I left out one that I know, that is not obvious.

On December 07 2013 05:57 sandroba wrote:

My guess is that mafia can divide their kp amount freely and hit me with one to test if my ability works on kp.

On December 07 2013 06:25 Chezinu wrote:

IF YOU USED IT YESTERDAY HOW COME YOU DID NOTHING YESTERDAY WHEN I WAS SPYING ON YOU?

On December 07 2013 06:39 Chezinu wrote:
Consolidated Night 1 Action Post
Roles in the Game - Annie
Role Eliminated - Warwick, Kha’Zix

Night Positional Shift
Mig Moved down 1 space

Night 1 Positions

1. jcarlsoniv - Thresh claims gives lantern thing to rayne during day 1.
   
2. kushm4sta - ?? -> VT
   
3. Rean - Lux-> VT
   
4. JonnyLaw - 125 Damage, ? HP
   
5. ticklishmusic - Taric - Claims to have healed VE 200HP
   
6. gtrsrs - Kha'Zix -> VT
   
7. OdinOfPergo - Karma -> VT
   
8. Roffles
   
9. Onegu - Soft Blue Claim, probably a power role. Claim was done by BC
   
10. VisceraEyes - Lux - Took 250 damage (450HP without heal)
    
11. Risen - Karma - Roleblocked
    
12. Chezinu - Blue Claim - Took 100 damage , not fiddlesticks
    
13. Coagulation
    
14. geript - Twitch
    
15. supersoft
    
16. austinmcc
    
17. raynpelikoneet - Shen - Uses Stand United - Once upon the darkness of the sky, a shield, yes a shield!, you may give target player that will absorb 2 abilities or eliminate 4 votes used on said player. These divine protection lasts for 4 Moons.
    
18. Mocsta - FiddleSticks -> VT
    
19. Mig -Cho'Gath- 100 Damage, Uses Feral Scream - As Cho'Gath, the Great Mutalisk, you can scare a targeted player for 125 KP and reveal their HP every night.
    
20. Oatsmaster - Cho'Gath ->VT
    
21. jaybrundage - ??? -> VT
    
22. LSB - Trynd
    
23. Koshi - Viktor - 50 Damage, Does nothing base on Chezinu's crystal ball. Koshi claims created crown displayed in day post.
    
24. mkfuba07- Blue Claim Claims he knows who damaged JL Night 1
    
25. justanothertownie
    
26. sandroba - Fiora - Took 1 Damage
    
27. Meapak_Ziphh - Claims used clone. (combining with Mig's claim, MZ's clone took 125 KP leaving it with 825 HP. Assuming MZ started with 950 HP, no one else attacked MZ)
    

Claimed Night actions
Rean -> 50 Damage to Austinmcc
Mig -> 125 Damage to Meepak, Bused to JonnyLaw
Chezinu -> spies on Koshi, rayne, jcarlsoniv and Mig to see what they are doing.

On December 07 2013 07:32 OdinOfPergo wrote:
Roffles is pretty much confirmed town to me atm (Worst townie 2013 but w/e.)
The fact he's his own second vote is him martyring himself because he has no intention to play this game.
Would of preferred him to just modkill himself but this is how I see it.
And I haven't even read the thread since last night.

But I'm going to assume his play goes something like this ->
.....
Thread: Kill the Roffles.

On December 07 2013 07:34 Chezinu wrote:
just who are you?

On December 07 2013 07:37 OdinOfPergo wrote:
Then re-read me.. I can't word that much different.
I'll try anyway for you.

Roffles hasn't put any effort into this game since he signed up for it.
He's martyring himself.
He's #2 vote on himself... could be scum giving up on D0 and voting himself out on D2...
I don't really believe that is an option though because every other mafia player in this thread would have been digging at him to play SOMETHING or they decided to just buss him on D0.
That leaves me with my other option..
Roffles is town and has 0 desire to play this game.
Thus we get martyr Roffles now.

Per my previous post, he should of just modkilled himself as that would leave the town in a clearer position but it's not how it's playing out.
But I do believe he's town and just gives 0 cares for this game.

On December 07 2013 07:38 geript wrote:

JAT. Claim what role you got and what you picked. Now.

On December 07 2013 07:37 Chezinu wrote:

yes, I'm talking. Just who do you think you are?

On December 07 2013 07:40 geript wrote:
Because otherwise we all target you with as much KP as possible. The whole point of the mass claim is to give town info and you've completely ignored doing so.

On December 07 2013 07:40 Chezinu wrote:

And what name is that?

On December 07 2013 07:40 geript wrote:
Because otherwise we all target you with as much KP as possible. The whole point of the mass claim is to give town info and you've completely ignored doing so.

On December 07 2013 07:42 sandroba wrote:
Roffles is a lurker who will only get lynch if town according to this vote distribution. Anyway I gotta go, I hope you guys do the right thing and kill austin.

On December 07 2013 07:43 Chezinu wrote:

Well, I got news for you. You are not just another townie. YOU ARE SPECIAL!

On December 07 2013 07:45 Chezinu wrote:
So as many pointed out with the obession of fives. Ya know, the 5 scum team players. I must have check 5 players...

Well, I got news for you...

On December 07 2013 07:46 geript wrote:

The more I look at this response the more it makes you look like confirmed scum to me. A town JAT would easily recognize with the number of revealed roles and the players claiming them, that there's no way your role has any significance in the next 2-3 days. And it's not like JAT is obv town to grab an nk either.

On December 07 2013 07:49 geript wrote:
Not buying it. You've earned yourself KP your way sir. No way a townie would not want to claim but pretend his role is important.

On December 07 2013 07:58 Chezinu wrote:

SHOOTING ROLEBLOCKS!! That's amazing!

On December 07 2013 07:59 Chezinu wrote:

I thought that was really cool.

On December 07 2013 08:01 Chezinu wrote:

Yeah... what roleblocks

On December 07 2013 08:21 Chezinu wrote:
Guess who used Neurotoxin last night?

On December 07 2013 08:37 geript wrote:
To top it off the post Coag made in the ban list thread is literally 100% better than any single post he's made here.

Let's get this bitch out of the game.

On December 07 2013 08:40 geript wrote:
Still there. Just been looking around at lurkers and seeing Coag's vote on Roffles really pissed me off. Like that should be a good reason to vote Coassulation out over Roffles.

On December 07 2013 09:09 Mig wrote:
christ odin what is your issue, the game isnt even very hostile. Regular people should be able to handle this game honestly.

I only have a minute to check in here. I still dont want to vote austin, roffles seems like a cop out where people can vote without getting backlash. Any thoughts about a last minute LSB push? LSB has completely half assed it since he has fallen under the radar.

On December 07 2013 09:18 Rean wrote:
We will lynch Austin for he is aligned with mafia and lynching him will help us fullfill our win condition.

On December 07 2013 09:32 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Let's lynch austin.

On December 07 2013 09:35 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I fell asleep and just woke up.
austin is too bad to be town, Roffles just doesn't give a fuck. It doesn't make him scum.

On December 07 2013 10:05 supersoft wrote:


Koshi, that is nothing. It sounds like you just wrote that down from your memory. Did you actually reread anything to come to these conclusions?
You completely ignore BC aka Onegu and LSB on your vet-balancing discussion.

On December 07 2013 09:58 raynpelikoneet wrote:

He has really bad reads which are not in fact reads. All he talks about is MZ/Rean and lately Roffles and everything he says about them is "this guy is scum if this guy is not" type of things.

On December 07 2013 10:25 supersoft wrote:
And I want you lazy bummers to comment on my MZ shit! ASAP.

Also I want everyon who votes Austin to at least quote a post or anything that contains a reason that convinced him.
It's not acceptable that you just come in here and be like:
"uh so hard to read. need to sleep voting austin/MZ/Roffels - yolo"

On December 07 2013 10:43 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Well i have told why i think austin is scum. Not gonna repeat it. I also told i don't think either of MZ & Roffles is scum.
People should vote for austin but me yelling it over and over again won't make it happen. Well maybe it would but if townies can't think with their own brain so be it.

On December 07 2013 10:44 raynpelikoneet wrote:

This is the fucking worst post of the century.

On December 07 2013 10:50 raynpelikoneet wrote:
That's because his reads are not reads. His reads are:
"One of MZ/REan is scum"
"oh but Roffles is scum.. if MZ & Rean are town"
"these couple of dudes are town"

And that's it.
MZ has talked about probably every player in the game and in nowhere near wishy-washy as 80% of the people in this fucking game. So no, if you want to lynch MZ go ahead but i am telling you he is gonna flip town.

On December 07 2013 10:57 raynpelikoneet wrote:

Yah and asking for reasoning makes me think you don't even read the thread because i have given my reasoning before you asked.

On December 07 2013 11:00 Koshi wrote:
rayn want me to sheep you? My own mind says MZ, but I can sheep if you really know mz is town and austin scum.

On December 07 2013 10:54 jaybrundage wrote:
Yea just finished reading MZ's filter I think that hes probably town he sounds sincere in alot of his posts. And austin is scum.


Part of the reason why I think austin is scum is the first part of the game He SOLELY (hyberbole) gives town reads. He gives town read after town read after town read. This is very easy for scum to do. They know who's town so they can go off little things in posts to try to establish rap with other townies. (if he thinks im town he must be town reading me line of thinking)

He then harps on MZ for bothering Koshi. Yes MZ is constantly bugging Koshi.

I think the reason for MZ's tunneling Koshi is a couple reasons.

A. MZ thinks Koshi might be scum.

B. Koshi is inventor so he can make sweet stuff that ideally would be given to townies.

C. Koshi being inventor IS NOT ALIGNMENT INDICATIVE

D. Koshi is not contributing much to scum hunting

E Koshi being scum in MZ's eyes and is being ignored as a lynch candidate because of his Power Is driving MZcrazy and makes it keep coming back to Koshi to put pressure on him.

That is my idea why MZ kept bothering Koshi even tho hes not a lynch candidate atm.

On December 07 2013 11:06 raynpelikoneet wrote:

no, i hate that.

On December 04 2013 10:10 austinmcc wrote:


I had MZ picked out as scummy from the way he was going after LSB. Going to reread MZ and a couple other folks, and will look at Jay now that he's come up, but I don't want to lynch any leading candidate.

On December 04 2013 10:23 austinmcc wrote:
VE, does MZ usually post a decent bit about you/your alignment?

On December 04 2013 11:27 austinmcc wrote:
Okay, that's fine. I really hated that he went through post after post after post to argue about your alignment, how many games you've played together, all these things you do as town and why you're town, then also dropped: Post was just out of place. All these other VE posts about how he's the magical VE-whisperer, and then a post count analysis on D1 ish in a game with a long pregame and just completely ignoring other games. I dunno, this post smelled.

MZ's interactions with LSB felt very...fluffy. MZ doesn't like his claim but thinks he's telling the truth but might be hiding in plain sight and hasn't posted enough to draw conclusions about behavior.

Then half or the majority of his posts from yesterday are just him sniping at LSB. + Show Spoiler +

However:
(1) It doesn't feel like he's pushing his LSB scumread in the same way he pushed his townVE read, or even his very early bit on gtrsrs. He's directly engaging LSB, but rarely, if ever, is asking other people about LSB, trying to get their votes, etc. It's just...poking at a dude who is doing scummy stuff, over and over.

(2) I can understand finding "blue hunting" scummy. But in PYP games, THIS HAPPENS. People get caught based on picks, roles, power usages, it's...it's part of a PYP game. It's not odd for someone to hunt, and it's not TERRIBLE to hunt because it DOES catch a mafia or two in a lot of/most PYP/PTP games. I don't like MZ using the phrase "blue hunting" without ever seeming to discuss or consider that this is a different beast than a normal game, and blue hunting may not be the most scummiest thing ever.



It's not the most blatant scummy stuff ever, but his were some posts that just didn't feel like they were DOING anything to me. Looking closer, apart from the gtrsrs stuff very early, just trying to build discussion, his filter is pewp imo. And the very fact that he'd try to start discussion early and then just...fade away into poking at LBS doesn't sit well with me. Having a couple townie posts early on into nothing always seems like what scumvets do.

On December 07 2013 11:09 raynpelikoneet wrote:

So because austin had MZ as scumread it gives him a free pass to harp on MZ about Koshi? To be honest MZ was being totally reasonable about Koshi, Koshi has been so fucking incredibly bad this game i don't even know what to think of him. Maybe we should lynch him on D3.

On December 07 2013 11:15 raynpelikoneet wrote:
The point is it's not even a scumread to be taken seriously because austin himself says that does not necessarily make MZ scum..

On December 07 2013 11:16 raynpelikoneet wrote:
And for the record MZ explained his LSB stuff and it felt very genuine. Him pushing LSB and when people were not listening looking into other places.

On December 07 2013 11:16 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:

See its shit like this that pisses me off the most right now. Like really? This is the best you can do?

On December 07 2013 11:17 raynpelikoneet wrote:
idk what am i even doing. It's not my job to defend MZ.
Vote whoever you think is scum. I'm going to bed. You know what i think.

On December 07 2013 10:39 supersoft wrote:


I btw. asked Mig twice or more often to offer his explanation!
These MZ voters just disappeared.
This makes me worry quite a bit!

On December 07 2013 11:24 supersoft wrote:


re...
I was watching the most recent Thebigbangtheory-episode...
and after that I reread austin.

I know I look extremely terrible if I hammer this lynch in the wrong direction now, but I am going to vote MeapakZ.
I reread austin and his MZ reads look fine to me.
I just don't see him as overly scummy.

I have my issues with MZs play... Screw it. Let's do this.

On December 07 2013 11:35 supersoft wrote:
still 6 fucking votes on Roffels.
We might aswell just kill that fucker. This guy really annoys me right now.
Aswell as everyone who just voted for no reason and went afk.

On December 07 2013 11:34 jaybrundage wrote:

Im trying to lynch who I think is most likely to be scum. This three way split sucks ass.

On December 07 2013 11:36 jaybrundage wrote:
This was just posted in the vote thread. Mkfuba why haven't you come in the thread at all?

On December 07 2013 11:44 VisceraEyes wrote:

This post makes me think austin is a mislynch far more than anything that's been posted anywhere.

On December 07 2013 11:47 jaybrundage wrote:
I bet VE was the person who was gonnna bus austin. With the vote's being so close together scum (VE) can switch the vote to a townie and avoid his mafia buddy being killed.

On December 07 2013 11:57 jaybrundage wrote:

Austin was the most likely wagon. So therefore VE getting on the wagon early would help him get town cred. Smart scum do this. Good Scum Bus.

VE would look bad however he's made this post. Indicating he was considering switching.

On December 07 2013 11:58 jaybrundage wrote:

But he could save a scum buddie. VE perhaps thinks he can wiggle his way out of it.

On December 07 2013 16:03 raynpelikoneet wrote:
My activity is dropping a significant amount because i do not care to put effort into a game where people got themselves modkilled or don't care about the game at all.

That being said i will be voting for Cagulation until someone shoots him dead or we vote him dead.

On December 07 2013 20:22 Koshi wrote:
Also I am quite annoyed by the leaving bitches. Wtf do they expect when joining? This is probably last big game I join, but probably not... fucking 10 replaces and 5 modkills.

Ah well. Sad is sad.

On December 07 2013 20:38 Koshi wrote:
Oh and I not playing poorly at all Mr rayn let's lynch townies all day everyday. Kkthx. Cuz it is proven that you yourself are incredible wrong about reads ALL the fucking time. So let's keep the X is bad talk away till you actually are figuring out the game. Because you are not. Proof? You lynched 2 townies. Kkthx rayn.

On December 07 2013 20:57 supersoft wrote:


Yes this wouldn't be a case if it would have been about one of these here:

jcarlsoniv
jaybrundage
justanothertownie
Jonnylaw
Oatsmaster
ticklishmusic
Coagulation
Roffles
Risen
Onegu
Rean

but since my case was about MZ, who doesn't play completely random. It actually was a case.
You can tell if MZ is scum or not. I believe the stuff I pointed out were little slips in his play.

Of course I also had my doubts. It's not only black and white.
I gauge the situation by considerin the pros and cons. That's analysis.

I don't want to write up a piece of propaganda to get you to do something. I want to discuss my reads and I don't hide any evidence that might disprove my conviction.

On December 08 2013 04:48 Koshi wrote:
just point out scummers kush
we don't ask more.

On December 08 2013 05:39 Chezinu wrote:


if rayn was scum, why would he listen to Koshi? hmm?