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On November 21 2013 22:06 kushm4sta wrote: replacing in so i can bypass the retarded pyp mechanic The PYP mechanic is why I'm playing. Leads to very interesting games. | ||
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Yorick isn't really that scary, flips are overrated. We need to know who has Victor and Warwick and any others not banned from above from what I can tell. | ||
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And saying a role will be scum tell is atrocious reasoning for not banning it. Ashe and Caitlyn are the only real rolechecks, and they are both not reliable. I can imagine a scum team of Urgot, Tryndamere, Twitch, Heimer, Janna+ whatever utility or extra KP scum wants forcing LYLO in a few days. That Talon, a role that is not pro-active at all for mafia, and Caitlyn, a Rolechecker, have any votes at all is alarming. If Yorick is really that threatening for your ability to find scum, then I won't hold it against you, but please make the other two bans Urgot and Graves. Looking at Nocturne again, I don't think his ability is as powerul. I'd prefer another ban. ##Ban: Graves | ||
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On November 30 2013 23:18 raynpelikoneet wrote: ##Vote: Graves good ##Unvote ##Vote: Urgot I know you went afk Mocsta, but if you do come back, please unvote caitlyn and vote LITERALLY ANYTHING ELSE ;_; | ||
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On December 01 2013 09:16 JonnyLaw wrote: Urgot is just straight kp. Why is he the best choice when we don't know the second abilities of champions. Without knowing health values or anything I'd rather ban a champ base on abilities that we can quantify. It's along the same lines as Yorick because we're losing information. Someone more experienced explain the why to me. For now I'm not convinced Urgot is our best choice. There is very little use in guessing unknown powers, so we should base our bans in what we know. Speculating other powers is silly. The difference between Urgot and Yorick is pretty massive. In a situation where they have one or the other, Yorick only delays information (at most all, it doesn't give a limit) but he doesn't deny it. Urgot increases all KP, so even minimal increases are usable for mafia to squeeze out a good amount of killing power they wouldn't have with out him. Assuming he doesn't have god awful KP and increase, hes abusable for a team with KP. Information delayed is no where near as bad for town as multiplying KP for mafia. There is a bit of assuming here, but it don't think we are stretching the possibilities here. We can't really have bad bans if we are banning all anti-town roles, and I don't think anyone would consider it scummy if you prefer a certain role over another to ban. It's no where near as important as the draft (ands that's not half as important as scum hunting!) but in every PYP, this part is lengthened nicely so we can afford to durdle with picks and bans before plopping down the wagons. | ||
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1. Warwick 2. Quinn and Valor 3. Viktor 4. Kassadin 5. Janna 6. Heimerdinger 7. Tryndamere I tried to put them in order of power level. The first few slots would pick them and claim. We would be able to keep track of them and use them for town purposes. I believe the combination of Quinn and Warwick needs to be prioritized, and everything after is still strong in both alignments hands. | ||
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1. Warwick 2. Viktor 3. Kassadin 4. Heimer 5. Janna 6. Tryndamere I think they are too strong not to keep track of, and knowing who they are will give us a lot of power over them, even if they are mafia. The next roles I believe are very useful for town and not so much mafia. TOWN Lux Jarvan IV Taric Karma Galio Orianna Syndra These are the protective and investigative roles in power order(Mafia nerfed our DTs  ) We really want to have all these roles, so I suggest the next 7 slots take them. This does make them susceptible to KP so here's what I would do. Flip a coin to determine if you would get the town blue or a vet. This way, mafia would have a rough time killing off our medic/DT section if there is a 50% of them being vets. I would say these roles would do nicely.Defensive Dr. Mundo Fiora Garen Mordekaiser Poppy I think Galio and Taric are already naturally bulky and protective, so they don't need to RNG. The slots below this can do whatever. Vig, Vet or even checking a role done before. WoS said there are hidden abilities for every champ, so I don't think there is a downside to going for weaker roles. I think the last few slots should be devoted to checking picks. Either the power 6, the 5 non-defensive blues, or one of these mafia-sided roles. MAFIA Talon Nocturne Shaco Amumu These are pretty much mafia favored roles (some more then others) so last slots *could* check them. I don't think town would take these roles, so no one would have them except mafia. The last slots have a much worse chance of getting neutral roles like veteran/evasion or vigilante roles so I think it's worth towns while. 1. Koshi - Warwick 2. Kurumi - Viktor 3. VisceraEyes - Kassadin 4. jcarlsoniv - Heimer 5. Mig - Janna 6. JonnyLaw - Tryndamere 7. Risen - 50/50 Lux/Dr. Mundo 8. StorrZerg -50/50 Jarvan/Fiora 9. geript - Taric 10. austinmcc - 50/50 Karma/Garen 11. Meapak_Ziphh - Galio 12. Sandroba - 50/50 Orianna/Mordekaiser 13. Kenpachi - 50/50 Syndra/Poppy 14. Rean 15. bumatlarge 16. BloddyC0bbler 17. justanothertownie 18. marvellosity 19. gtrsrs 20. OdinOfPergo 21. Mocsta 22. supersoft - Warwick/??? 23. Oatsmaster - Janna/Heimer 24. raynpelikoneet - Lux/Viktor 25. onlywonderboy - Jarvan/Kassadin 26. ticklishmusic - Taric/Tryndamere 27. Roffles - Galio/Shaco 28. Bill Murray - Karma/Talon 29. jaybrundage - Orianna/Nocturne 30. nyxnyxnyx - Syndra/Amumu That's my rough draft. If people have recommendations or criticisms on numbers/orders or generally better ideas, I'm open to it. | ||
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On December 01 2013 13:28 JonnyLaw wrote: Warwick's not a strong first pick. + Show Spoiler + At night, you may submit the name and champion name of a player This means we need to know which champion the player has successfully picked. Why pick trynd at all? Just so you know who has tryndamere? There's not a chance in hell I'm picking that champion. I plan to contribute to winning this game. Dealing damage to people above/below me does not help us win the game. I don't even understand. Actually, I must say fuck your list. I disagree strongly with most of the conclusions. I think you're scum as is. You might be right about tyrnd, but you are thinking of warwick as an individual role and not a town tool. You would name something that a player shouldn't be, and if it fails, thats great, and if he hits, thats fantastic. I think it's by far the strongest power we know about aside from maybe viktor or kassadin. You can disagree with my list, but I hope you don't think we are resorting to willy-nilly-picking-whatever-you-like because it matches your high heels. Check yourself mate. | ||
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On December 01 2013 14:00 JonnyLaw wrote: Owb pulling same nonsense as last game when he was scum. BAL which role do you want in the middle of the pack then? All you're telling us right now is that the top players should pick terrible roles. Why? Terribly powerful roles. Warwick is not something you want mafia to freely have, and by the nature of the role, it can never have a negative consequence in the hands of even the worse townies. It's not a matter of killing all of the time, or whiffing on a person you wanted to kill because you thought you could nail his alignment and his role. That's the wrong way to look at it. It's about not being able to kill townies with it, and being able to kill liars and mafia with it. The vigilante, veteran and miscellaneous roles can be picked among the middle roles. Basically whatever they think they can get. If you are not going to pick tryndamere, then I probably will, just so I know that town has it and I would only use it if the opportunity to damage multiple mafia arose. A top slot shouldn't be used selfishly unless you were very confident that you could win the game for town by yourself with one role. You are being very critical and I appreciate it, but you aren't offering me any alternatives. Do you have other threatening roles in mind that I am missing? Warwick certainly isn't as enticing without Quinn in the game, but he is still very unique in being 100% beneficial in town hands. I hope you aren't suggesting that everyone picking roles in complete secrecy is good for town. Do you need me to explain why that most certainly is not? | ||
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+ Show Spoiler + 1. Koshi - Viktor(???) + Show Spoiler + On December 01 2013 23:06 Koshi wrote: raynpolikoneet I am not going to do what you are saying. Might pick Viktor though. Kinda liking Karthus. 2. Kurumi - Warwick + Show Spoiler + He left his vote on him, so I think that is someone who I can trust to use it publicly and I'm assuming he also fears mafia having it. 3. VisceraEyes - Kassadin + Show Spoiler + On December 01 2013 13:40 VisceraEyes wrote: I'm picking an OP role. Take a note from geript and pick an OP role to find out which. VE has been acting weird, but I think he's just RPing his dude. If he wants, a public Kassadin is a monster for town, so he'd be a high priority target to protect. He's a good player so I'd trust him with it. He could go meta and pick a defensive role and say he took kass and I'd call it towny. 4. jcarlsoniv - Janna + Show Spoiler + He's been pretty active, so if he's not sure what to pick, Janna seems good for him. I like his judgment on players so far, and I think he's town. 5. Mig - Heimer + Show Spoiler + Mig is a good player and doesn't need a role to be useful. He would have to be vocal, because I don't have a read on him, and it's very easy to sneak a turret to a scummate. 6. JonnyLaw - ??? + Show Spoiler + I think this guy has a game plan, so I think it's best to let him at it. 7. Risen - ??? + Show Spoiler + On December 01 2013 05:07 Risen wrote: I'm town. No one will be picking my hero since I'm grabbing it for loyalty reasons. My numbers will be [5,5] ##vote: yorick I don't know who he's going to pick, but I'd suggest Lux. She's rly gud. If you are not, let us know so someone knows to take her. She's last real Investigative role we know we have. 8. StorrZerg -50/50 Jarvan/Dr. Mundo + Show Spoiler + He said he was going to be inactive until after the weekend, so if your reading this Storr, pick Jarvan or Mundo if you haven't decided. 9. geript - Taric + Show Spoiler + I think Taric is a very good town role. He's a defensive medic, so he's harder to take out. I wouldn't be public about it, but you'd be pretty safe in taking this. 10. austinmcc - 50/50 Karma/Fiora + Show Spoiler + Haven't seen him post much, but karma is an interesting role. If Austin isn't an experienced player, Fiora might be a little difficult to use. 11. Meapak_Ziphh - Galio + Show Spoiler + A little tougher to use then Taric, but can be just as good. Meapak should take this. 12. Sandroba - 50/50 Orianna/Mordekaiser + Show Spoiler + I know sandroba said he won't be here to coordinate, but if he's still deliberating, I think one of these two would be good for him. 13. Kenpachi - 50/50 Syndra/Poppy + Show Spoiler + dont take talon this game kenpachi, or I will write another story about you being a fat GF.15. bumatlarge - Tryndamere + Show Spoiler + I feel like tryn is too threatening for mafia, and hopefully mafia won't take it, or I'll know. I hopefully won't use it. I didn't fill out the last slots this time, as I think it's just best for them to take what they can get, and it would be good for town for them to check optional roles. There are still too many roles that mafia can use to check. Again this is just optional suggestions that I think would put town in a strong spot. | ||
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On December 02 2013 05:56 BloodyC0bbler wrote: chose [17][5] Now. Honestly I do agree with bum that we should be selecting roles that the top 7 players choose. This is purely to make sure the roles that are hugely important are well, known. However I disagree with his list a bit. I honestly think warwick is not as much of a threat as he thinks it is. Why? Because it requires active knowledge of peoples roles for mafia to use it properly. It is a role that late game the mafia perhaps could use if people start claiming or what not but honestly I believe in a pyp setup no one should really ever claim unless they are 100% dead to a lynch. IMO only the people in the top 7 slots should be claiming in the event that they attempt to take their allotted role and they don't get it. IE someone in the list above them sniped the role and let theirs drop down to someone else. As such Number 1 pick should be Viktor. The inventor role is crazy strong in the hands of mafia or town, but knowing who has the role is insanely important. Number 2 should be Kassadin Number 3 should be Heimerdinger Number 4 should be Tryndamere Number 5 should be Singed Number 6 should be Janna Number 7 should be Blitzcrank Past this people should be assessing what would be the best pick at their number. Denying mafia roles, attempting to take investigative, medic, vet like, etc... will all depend on your style of play and your strengths. If you are a analyzer you should be saving yourself, taking a dt role or a gun to kill your reads. If you are good at the long haul play go for things that keep you alive, or keep others alive, etc.. Those 7 roles I think are by far the most important to lock down. For anyone who asks why singed and blitzcrank? Moving people around the list lets other players do more or less. Mafia having control of them, or a majority of them could potentially fuck us hard. Also knowing whos causing damage / playing with the list I think is incredibly important information to have. God damn BC, I thought I just refreshed the page too. | ||
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On December 02 2013 06:10 BloodyC0bbler wrote: hahaha Bum. I honestly think your intents are awesome but the top 15 players? I think thats a little hopeful to get people to follow I had just skimmed through the PYP2 game. On August 23 2010 11:11 Radfield wrote: If by "random ass roles" you mean the very non-random percentages i've layed out at each spot, then yes. #1 Comp Vig #2 Bad Santa #3 Prince of Darkness #4 33/33/33 CV, Bad Santa or PoD #5 50% Role Cop, 50% Defensive role(Vet, Meth Man, or Bulletproof. 33% chance of each) #6 50% Joat......... 50% Defensive role #7 50% Bullet Bill, 50% Defensive role #8 50% Role Cop, 50% Defensive role #9 50% Joat.........50% Defensive role #10 50% Bullet Bill, 50% Defensive role #11 25% Role Cop, 25% Defensive role, 25% Doctor, 25% role of your choice(not tracker) #12 25% Joat, 25% Defensive role, 25% Doctor, 25% role of your choice(not tracker) #13 25% Bullet Bill, 25% Defensive role, 25% Doctor, 25% role of your choice(not tracker) #14. 50% Tracker, 25% doctor, 25% Copy Cat(recommended) or Other(Alignment Cop, Mason, Martyr, etc.) #15. 50% Tracker, 25% doctor, 25% Copy Cat(recommended) or Other #16. 50% Tracker, 25% doctor, 25% Copy Cat(recommended) or Other #17 50% role cop, 50% other #18 50% Joat, 50% other #19 50% Bullet Bill, 50% other #20 50% tracker, 50% other I might have been jealous of Radfield... just a little.... | ||
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On December 02 2013 06:55 StorrZerg wrote: @buma why those roles for me Just suggestions, you are in a good position to take them. I didn't base anything off who was in the position, unless specified. | ||
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On December 02 2013 07:43 Roffles wrote: I think we may need to account for what each champion is potentially able to provide with their unknown ability instead of what they're thus far listed as being able to do. It's super risky to do, but if played well can bring a huge advantage to whatever side plays it the best. Take for example bumatlarge's list of proactive green champs (Jarvan, Lux, Taric, Karma, Galio, Orianna, Syndra) and notice they're all protective champs. But other champs that don't seem to be that useful as listed like Soraka could easily have an additional ability to mass heal or even just heal. In addition to the roleblock ability, that could easily become a priority pick to have. Also, some champs that don't necessarily seem deadly at first glance like Twitch could turn out to have some ridiculous second ability like who knows? Stealth and ability to hit everyone up to a certain range away? It's possible, and it's something to potentially ponder. You could easily end up assigning someone a role and that can turn to bite you in the ass because you don't have complete information on what that role can do. That's why I like trying to distribute as many roles as possible. I don't think trying to figure out what else roles can do is useful, but putting fingers in ALL THE PIES seems like a good plan. | ||
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Especially you VE. "LULZ IM OUR ONLY REAL DT ROLE" you gonna get sniped son :X On December 02 2013 14:39 gtrsrs wrote: so who took kha'zix? i declared that i was taking him and so you are scum for taking him. please come forward so i can lynch you Typical of selfish mafia, always snagging the free win heroes, get some skill d00d. N THEN QQ MOR | ||
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On December 02 2013 15:30 VisceraEyes wrote: Bum you just jealous. You tried to pick Lux didn't you?  No comment. | ||
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I think it's pretty obvious jcarl is mafia On December 01 2013 09:34 jcarlsoniv wrote: howdy guys - still working on catching up As it's clearly been determined, Yorick is probably the worst for town, that's going. I think there are things more threatening than Graves, tbh, but it looks like that will be #2. ##vote: Urgot I do think Urgot is much more powerful in the hands of teamwork, so definitely harder for town to actually make use of. I think we should also be aware of some of the other funky teamwork things that scum can take advantage of. Say scum has people at opposite ends of the list - one is Blitzcrank and one is Nidalee. Also, Ashe + Warwick could be pretty good in the right circumstances. The ball is already rolling on Urgot, and I do agree he's a good threat to eliminate. rayn's strat for picks has a bit of merit, but as far as I can tell, it hasn't been adopted by the thread community. It's short and seemingly inocuous, but the lines after voting are really offensive to me. He was definitely aware of how many votes Urgot had, and I feel like it was meant to be blended into a more concrete post. Too bad the whole entire rest of the post is fluff. The only things that could be argued redeemable are the vote on Urgot, and the banter about roles no one was mentioning. Lines 2, 3 and the last line make the post bigger then it is and add nothing. This bleeped on my radar so I studied his other posts. On December 01 2013 11:10 jcarlsoniv wrote: I've never played with him. I rarely play by the meta unless I am VERY familiar with someone's play. So I don't care if he's known for an aggressive town. If it's well known enough, then he knows people know that. I'm just feeling in a killing mood and he's given me reason to look his way. This is pretty bad. Usually I can appreciate aggression, but I don't see rhyme or reason. Empty statements explaining one's self are pretty damning. On December 01 2013 11:44 jcarlsoniv wrote: I've always liked you for your calm head and level thinking, geript Why don't you think he's scum? What, in all of his disruption and argumentative posts made you give him a "I want to keep you around" vibe? Again, really bad aggression. The questions are very forced, and would not help town if they were answered. Aggression without reason isn't townie. On December 01 2013 12:01 jcarlsoniv wrote: Sounds like the perfect time for scum to want to be active and say stuff - the conversation never got much further than "what do we ban?" - there were related things, but nothing hugely in depth came into play - this is a scum's playground You can see he's paying attention, but he's very out of place. I've been in this situation as scum where you are caught looking at a problem with your hands in your pockets. Why you are not trying to do something about it is because you don't want it fixed. On December 02 2013 00:15 jcarlsoniv wrote: I think Viktor is probably the best first pick. If you're town, you can definitely put it to good use. If you're scum, and anything goes awry due to inventions, we'll know who to look for. --------------------------------------- @Mocsta: Marv is correct - reread the context, I was being hugely sardonic there. I had made, what, 2 or 3 posts? and geript was shoving a stick of dynamite down my throat. -------------------------------------------- or, ya know, kurumi is basing that opinion off of the bans that scum put through... --------------------------------------- I do not believe that all the cop checks are gone from the game. There is definitely some potential for champs 2nd/3rd abilities to be alignment/role revealing. Off the top of my head: Nidalee - traps (something we may want to consider picking early due to her spears being scary) Thresh - lantern? Kog - ult Orianna - Q? (although she will more likely have her ult) We have to be very wary of the potential auxiliary abilities because I have a feeling that a lot of champions will have some REALLY scary abilities we don't know about. Things like Annie Tibbers or Ziggs Bomb could be hugely damaging. How much of this is actual content? It's mostly parroting, and what isn't is either bad explanations, or original thoughts that he never intends to see lift off the ground. If anyone had responded to this asking him to expound on his speculation, I don't think he'd have much of a follow up response. On December 02 2013 08:14 jcarlsoniv wrote: Trying to speculate doesn't really do all that much to help, tbh. Sure, we can make somewhat educated guesses, but they would still be complete guesses. We just don't know what the mods are hiding from us, and we know they can be creative. It doesn't hurt to be prepared for the mindset that there's so much we don't know. But trying to pinpoint what it will be is a fairly non-value add activity. But you really did just violate this yourself. And even then, this is just empty posts that don't bring anything forward. i remember responding to this same post, and you seemed to take a very purposeful roundabout way to say speculation isn't useful right now. On December 02 2013 08:38 jcarlsoniv wrote: Feels risky. Say we have a couple scum in the first ~10. They can false claim and then screw some people out of strong roles that they want. I'm not sure, it just feels like it makes us vulnerable. Although it does provide some accountability. But giving scum the priority targets because they know what everyone makes it fairly simple for them to aim in the right directions. On December 02 2013 08:43 jcarlsoniv wrote: Well, explain to me how it goes after we pick and get the rest of the abilities. We then claim our full abilities? It's easy enough for scum to fake claim, and then they know everything, while we sit here wondering if someone lied about additional abilities. Then if some secondary abilities cause huge problems, we don't know who to hold accountable. All in all, it feels like scum gets too much info while we don't benefit as much. The posts sound so similar that they start to blend together. I don't think it's possible for JCarl to be town. | ||
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On December 03 2013 00:31 BloodyC0bbler wrote: Now on to other things Bum - Why didn't you take tryndamere like you wanted? The idea of everyone in the top 10 more or less taking the roles you outlined was pretty non existent and the person originally slated to take the role you changed to having his own plan. So why didn't you take the role you wanted? IE I am curious to know how apparently LSB got it when hes the last person in the draft order. Bum as for your case on Jcarls, I like it except for the first post you opted to use for it. Primarily because I don't think its likely for mafia to point out how good synergy of combos like blitz/nid are. I recognize that you said that post is what put him on your radar but its a very odd post to have come up when everything in it honestly feels town to me. IE my only issue with your case is where it started from. All the other points you raise seem good, but the initial starting place to me seems well, weird. I never wanted tryndamere, and I didn't want another town to take it. Figured that would be the best way, and town would understand. Kinda awkward now that LSB has it, but it's not scummy for either of us I think, especially since he claimed it. I'm glad you noticed, I initially had another block of text about the voters on Urgot, but I convinced myself it didn't hold water except for jcarl. Geript I was still suspicious of, but not for the reasons I was going to give. The other two, Mig and justanothertownie, I liked as town, so I axed the whole section and just picked up where the analysis began. You are really smart BC. On December 03 2013 00:13 Kurumi wrote: bumatlarge His case on jcarl is sound - that means, jcarl looks scummy. Bum was trying to coordinate things a little and saw Warwick as a threat. @bum, what do you think about gtrsrs and geript? PSA I know guitarasaurus pretty well, but I don't know how he plays mafia. I wouldn't witch hunt him yet for doing nothing, but he needs to step it up even if he didn't get what he wanted. There are better lynches. HEAR THAT BRIAN? I have yet to analyze geript, though my gut said mafia. I was going to but the jcarl analysis wore me out, and I scratched a whole long segment that I thought wasn't good. @LSB I'm not going to claim, sorry how you managed to go for trynd was unfortunate, but what I said would have worked if it got all the way to you. Meh, you claimed so thats actually good for everyone. I agree certain people should claim, and most have, but others should not.Tell you what though, I will claim if jcarl claims. I thought I caught him pretty good, but the fact that multiple people have called my case good yet only 4 people voted for him, and that you tried to turn it on me, tells me jcarl is a good role for scum to have. Just a feeling. It's been a while but LSB is playing similar to another PYP game, with plans that don't really fall through. He plays weird in general, but there is methods to his madness when he's town. I don't have a read yet, but I'd like to see what he does. If you have a good role like DT/Medic/Vet, please don't claim. | ||
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First off, jcarl is still by far my biggest scum read. Whenever I read "Well jcarlsoniv is posting better now so I guess we don't lynch him" (which I've read multiple times this thread), I get exasperated. He doesn't get less scummy because he starts making better posts. No one except for BC has even referenced points made in my analysis. I don't like jcarl's defense. On December 03 2013 00:31 jcarlsoniv wrote: Case against me - It's a fine case I guess, but it's wrong. I explained my early pinpointing of rayn above. You focus on my aggression, but don't blink at geript's? Again, maybe this is because he is known for it, but his was more widespread. Mine was really just focused at rayn. I did not change my opinion of speculating roles. Roffles implied that we really put in some time and nail down all the champs' extra abilities to try and strategize around it. I was pointing out that the DT roles were likely not all banned out and was considering some of the possible ones that could still be in - I thought it was relevant because scum was making an opaque push at getting rid of DTs. I really think my points were glossed over here. I said I like aggression, but the nature of it was scummy. That part is not addressed. I don't remember ever bringing up geripts, and how someone else acts shouldn't be a reason why you aren't scum. Deflection is not a town method of defending yourself. I'll let the speculation part go, because I did make a similar response, and it might have been seeing those two posts next to each other in the filter that fed the fire. I still want a better more detailed response, because despite what these people say: On December 03 2013 01:14 marvellosity wrote: I'm ok with jcarl's posts this page I think. On December 03 2013 06:28 JonnyLaw wrote: Soniv is questioning people and basically shrugging off the accusations. He's not acting nervous in the least to me. I'll check which posts those are ve. kushm4sta Half of everything I say - A person doesn't get less scummy after analyzing his reasoning to be mafia. It's not like some see-saw. His accusations against gerpit are easy, and he's probably right, but active finger pointing does not forgive past sins. I can go into more depth about what he's posted recently, but he's on the chopping block and the more we force him to post, the better it is for us. I'll try to cover geript, but I can't make any promises, I have to go to court tomorrow. | ||
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On December 03 2013 11:36 LSB wrote: ^Paraphrased. Honestly Bumatlarge is following the basic plan I used as SK from PYP3, first get an idea of where everyone is who can kill you and try to grab an ability that will make it so you cant get killed by mafia, while all the time trying to convince everyone that I have a different ability. "This would have been better for town" was the exact same reasoning I used to try to convince town I wasn't SK in PYP3. I'm sticking to my policy lynch plan. I'm thinking Bumatlarge is SK and grabbed a defensive role as a way to make sure he stays alive. I'm going to pin him as "not town". Deviation from your own plan is pretty scummy since a plan requires as much players to follow it as possible. I'm the SK that might be in the game now? jcarlsoniv must be something juicy. | ||
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On December 03 2013 12:23 LSB wrote: What part of he is not town is not sufficient for proof? Bum is plenty experienced to know the folly of betraying your own plan as town, as well as the potential benefits of doing so as mafia/sk. To be fair, I did see it was a guideline, in that people could use it to see what was going to be picked. In that aspect, no one would really have to worry about tryndamere, because I would know people would have it above me, and that people wouldn't get it below me. If you didn't take it, no one would know I didn't have it, and I would simply "never use it". If push came to shove, I would claim I didn't have it if it became beneficial to use it. Any rolechecks would reveal I'm not hiding any scum oriented role. If jcarl claims, I'll claim. | ||
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He started gunning for me as soon as I went for jcarl. Can we try to lynch jcarl instead? He jumped on me the second LSB said I should be policy lynched and didn't vote me. I have JonnyLaw pegged as town. He was so invested in the ban phase. He aggressively questioned me on my choice of bans, and I think he has a town incentive. On December 01 2013 09:16 JonnyLaw wrote: Urgot is just straight kp. Why is he the best choice when we don't know the second abilities of champions. Without knowing health values or anything I'd rather ban a champ base on abilities that we can quantify. It's along the same lines as Yorick because we're losing information. Someone more experienced explain the why to me. For now I'm not convinced Urgot is our best choice. On December 01 2013 13:28 JonnyLaw wrote: Warwick's not a strong first pick. + Show Spoiler + At night, you may submit the name and champion name of a player This means we need to know which champion the player has successfully picked. Why pick trynd at all? Just so you know who has tryndamere? There's not a chance in hell I'm picking that champion. I plan to contribute to winning this game. Dealing damage to people above/below me does not help us win the game. I don't even understand. Actually, I must say fuck your list. I disagree strongly with most of the conclusions. I think you're scum as is. My interactions with him have been far from a scumread. He seems like a potentially strong townie presence. He did vote himself though...(?) | ||
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On December 03 2013 22:09 sandroba wrote: Because I'm lazy and want him to convince everyone else. Well, you haven't changed I'm guessing  . | ||
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On December 03 2013 22:26 marvellosity wrote: bum, how do these two things together make sense? You don't think LSB is mafia, but you think LSB "coincidentally" went for you as soon as you went for jcarl? Surely that SUPPORTS the idea that LSB is mafia?? (if you think jcarl is mafia) Why would Village Idiot or SuicideBonus dude (lol) gun for you when you went for jcarl, other than they'd be mafia together? I do think he's mafia, but he's being too silly about it. I guess I'd rather not be bamboozled rather then win. Matter of pride. I mean it's just a hunch. Thinking it over again, it's probably too narrow to play around and I can't imagine his ability would be that bad for us if it makes it good for mafia to get lynched. Almost anyone over jonnylaw would be better IMO. | ||
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On December 03 2013 22:39 marvellosity wrote: like you would say "I think LSB is mafia and I'm scared of his ult" not "LSB could be Village Idiot or SuicideBonusdude, just a hunch" If I wasn't certain Jcarl was a safer lynch, I would hands down take the chance. | ||
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On December 03 2013 22:40 sandroba wrote: And that's 20min trying to think of a bullshit explanation for your post. I bet you wished you hadn't made that post bum. You sure saved me a lot of typing =). Your reasons are pretty bad, just because I'm acting weird, doesn't mean I'm mafia. Which is pretty much what you are saying. Do you think LSB is mafia? | ||
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Tryndamere has an ultimate that doesn't let his hp go below 1 in LoL. Undying Rage: if you would die, your HP goes to 1 instead for one phase. All KP you would deal is doubled. | ||
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On December 03 2013 23:14 VisceraEyes wrote: Sand I'm pushing the LSB double scum counter wagon. I'm respectfully decline.Teamwork OP. Atta' boy. You guys are gonna feel really silly when LSB survives the lynch. | ||
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I've filtered him and it was bad, but I didn't plot out what I've found like I did with jcarlsoniv. His stood out so I did it and reached a conclusion that no one picked apart, except for jcarlsoniv himself. In case someone really thinks me not picking tryndamere is scummy, VE already figured out my role. | ||
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On December 04 2013 00:58 geript wrote: But that's really weird that Bum liked jcarl's targets of which included Geript/Rayn but yet had never really analyzed me over "gut" sentiment. Not Rayn, just you. Don't reach. | ||
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On December 04 2013 01:25 geript wrote: What do you think of bum's actions in progression? Seen town do that before? Am I allowed to answer? | ||
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On December 04 2013 01:23 geript wrote: So you admit to never taking a serious gander at me but gave jcarl a townread based on him liking me for scum... I mean liking us both for scum doesn't seem odd in the towny sense to me but liking us both for scum while making a case on him and practically completely ignoring me is really fucking odd. More importantly why did your view on pre-case jcarl change over 11 hours? Yet it seems like at 12-2 @15:00 you didn't have particular notice of anyone. I don't believe you read anything not related to you. Keep posting like this and I'll be able to scrounge up something pretty incriminating. | ||
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On December 04 2013 01:47 Mig wrote: Bum what made you think I was town? And I am interested in hearing your answer to marv's question. Bit strange that you haven't asked jcarl a single question. You jumped on Urgot first when a dozen other champs had a vote on them. I liked your timing and your choice. I guess I just wanted jcarlsoniv to defend himself, anything else wasn't important coming from someone I think is scum. | ||
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@Sandroba LSB is dumb stupid and doesn't read the thread. He got lucky as shit. | ||
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On December 04 2013 04:48 sandroba wrote: I agree. But you think he is scum and doesn't read the QT nor consults with his teamates either? He's being dumb enough in the thread, why not dumb in the QT. I've done that as scum, that's how I lost most of my games. | ||
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On December 04 2013 10:02 marvellosity wrote: bum I don't want great ideas, I want in-depth honesty and thoughts about the game and people if you're town. Or an attempt at faking it if you're mafia. Asap would be bloomin' lovely. Short version: I tried to be cool by denying tryndamere and nabbing lux, because Risen wasn't taking it, but then LSB said he had trynd so it was worse then a lie. It was a caught lie rather then a confessed one which I intended it to be. I don't know how LSB ignored me and went for that, but don't let my flip effect your read on LSB. Sandroba is right in theory, but it's really just bad luck that he's wrong. Perhaps I went too hard on jcarlsoniv, but I was and am sure he's scum. You can't fault me for being proud of it. I'll give reads now. I think I'm pretty close to what the actual scum team is so getting lynched might be better at this stage for town. | ||
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On December 04 2013 10:11 marvellosity wrote: LSB has been talked about and I just quoted a post from sandro which I said I agreed with, please say why you disagree with it if you believe LSB to be mafia I guess I'm not too certain he is? He ignored me when I said I was picking trynd. I'm basing LSB off the fact that I'm town. If you look at it like that, it's pretty unnatural for LSB to have trynd. The best explanation is that we are both mafia and we messed up, and I can understand why people think that. Just have to roll with the punches. | ||
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The townies were wondering who should be dead. Despite the clamor of bad townies to echo their message Bum knew his word was the real visage "J-Carl is the mafia, I have good proof here" Most townies nodded, and bum was held dear! But then LSB, with a smile quite wicked, said, "but am I Tryn, which Bum supposedly pick-ed?" The townies winced at the thought, but that wince slowly faded "Yeah Bum, how come no Tryn?"; LSB was elated. "Well this isn't fair, is this a cruel joke by the hosts?!" Sniggered LeanSoggyBacon, "I just don't read your posts!" As the votes piled high, Bum knew he could show 'em. "I'll show them real good, with a quite epic poem!" I think Jcarl is mafia, or my name is not Bum But did you know geript, is rival, is probably scum? Though I may fall short, because I have to use waffles, to rhyme with my next guess, who is most likely Roffles I feel really bad because kushm4asta seems new but he can't think I'm townie, he's not smart enough to knew. More, I know not, but I can give a few guesses of people who might wear blood-stained red dresses. Although, guaranteed, he is our DeeTee, To claim is lackluster, you naughty VE What kind of person needs to claim that to Lux he is wed? An easy read, most likely, and I have a hunch he's red. I'd watch out for this guy, his name isOatsmasta He called me townie too quickly,like one other m4sta There may be more that I'm missing, that I have simply not found. But if you were not mentioned, then I think you are town! I may not be the townie you needed right now, but I'm the one you deserve, and this lynch I'll allow. + Show Spoiler + ![[image loading]](http://i776.photobucket.com/albums/yy43/achromaggie/Gifs/tumblr_l8zb9eEjMs1qad04no1_500.gif) | ||
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On December 04 2013 11:00 Mig wrote: So bum you feel that the entire scum team is made up of lurkers and new players? (besides possibly LSB) Can you please explain the lux pick. You ranked lux as one of the strongest roles and thought you could get it at 15? Pretty much you can blame Risen. I was going to go with a strong vet role like garen or mordekaiser, and I thought I could probably lure at least one hit if I scumhunted hard. But when Risen said he was just going to pick his favorite champ instead of lux/vet, I didn't want to risk no one taking it. I'd rather be vanilla then not have Lux in the game. | ||
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On December 04 2013 11:01 Mocsta wrote: Shameless +1 I wish he detailed why Geript is scum too. I find it highly unlikely that jcarl/Geript shared scum to scum interactions. It's pretty easy. It's not bussing, but arguing in thread with scum buddies is a pretty easy way to go under the radar, and you tend to get a safety blanket if people consider it when they analyze you. I'd expect two lesser mafia who are good at working together to do it. I've done it before... I think. If there are any rolechecks in the game, I'd give jcarl a peek. If he's kassadin he's 100% scum. In fact, any Kassadin is scum at this point unless they claim real soon and with a good reason why they waited. | ||
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On December 04 2013 11:07 Mocsta wrote: At least with Bum theres some glaring inconsistencies which I don't understand and he hasn't made an effort to enlighten us about either. Please keep asking, I think it's important for me to answer at this point. | ||
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On December 04 2013 11:09 VisceraEyes wrote: What does Risen have to do with the rest of town's propensity to pick roles that give them information about who is scum vs town in a direct, mod confirmed fashion? Because he openly said he was not going to pick lux after I told him he should. 1) No one else claimed they wouldn't follow my list in that fashion, even JonnyLaw at least gave a good reason as to why he wasn't taking tryndamere 2) Again, if someone had claimed they would take Lux before the draft ended, I probably would have let it slide. You went and claimed it after the draft ended. The absolute worst time to do so. I would never have said anything if you didn't, and I'm sure the other person who tried to pick Lux would have done the same as I did. You've either disappointed me with choosing to make that play as a townie, or you did something I probably would have down as scum. I'm undecided because you are silly sometimes | ||
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On December 04 2013 11:13 Mig wrote: I have a hard time believing your reasoning bum. This is your first game in over a year and it is a pyp. You would really risk being vanilla just to make sure the town gets Lux? Somebody was going to pick lux and if we believed everyone then like 4 people tried to. And I mean it seems obvious people weren't going to follow your plan so why wouldn't you expect any of the people ahead of you to pick it. Don't worry about it Mig. Just know it's true when I flip. | ||
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If scum has kassadin, thats basically a dead blue power for town 100% of the time. If town has kassadin and I rolecheck that person, I'm going to claim or him and try to lynch him in a vacuum. | ||
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On December 04 2013 11:22 LSB wrote: Hahaha great poem Bum, though I'm a little confused by how you expect there to be 6 mafia and 3 sks in this setup Sorry, the other bolded people were slight scum reads, not third party. BE HAPPY YOUR AMONG THOSE. You tryndamer-taking-mother-fucker. Everything would be fine and dandy if you choose anything else. | ||
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On December 04 2013 11:20 VisceraEyes wrote: I did so because I was third pick Bum what did you expect me to do? The top picks are like almost guaranteed to get champs so it's not like I wasn't already a target for scum. Claim it first, so we don't try, or don't claim at all. Can't you see it's fairly scummy to claim something that strong at the wrong time, so people have to have a very good reason to actually read you? | ||
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On December 04 2013 11:30 kushm4sta wrote: @bumlover not new at all. played a fuck ton of games. I have very specific reasons for thinking you are town. smd You can't be that omnipotent. You'd have to analyze my past posts and come to the conclusion that everything I've done was to further advance Town's advantage over scum. There is a super slim chance that you are not mafia hoping to get some cred when I flip green. | ||
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On December 04 2013 11:29 VisceraEyes wrote: Are you saying that people don't have a very good reason to actually read me now Bum? Because I'm Lux? They do, but your priority on the list of people that need to get analyzed shoots way down knowing your first ability does nothing for scum, and does so much for town. If I was 70% on you being mafia, it still would probably not be worth it to lynch you early. I just want to make this strategy known. | ||
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On December 04 2013 11:34 Rean wrote: No follow. What do you mean fakeclaiming role-denial? "HEY EVERYONE IM TAKING TRYNDAMERE" Doesn't take tryndamere. | ||
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On December 04 2013 11:36 geript wrote: Nobody cares about the fake claim. Like that's the least scummy thing you've done. Usually I like to back things up with examples or at least fancy words. You have the rare talent or choosing not to do either. | ||
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Facts>Analysis>Powers. Good luck town! | ||
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