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PYP: League of Legends Mafia
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but next weekend activity will be low as im away on a trip. | ||
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Like 1 post a day. Just saying  | ||
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On November 26 2013 03:01 raynpelikoneet wrote: I'm picking [1,1], worked well for Sn0_Man last PYP i played. :D Looks like we will both be last  | ||
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On November 27 2013 08:33 StorrZerg wrote: just an fyi gonna be limited to phone most of the time till sunday maybe sat night not to sure when i get back. I'm not much different but cleared it with the hosts anyways I'm gonna RNG my Ban Selections. 42, 14, 7 = Caitlyn, Fiora, Soraka | ||
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I'm afk roughly 36hrs ##vote: Caitlyn | ||
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I'm back !! In MYLO in another game so this game has lower priority on catch up. ~24pages so i should be caught up relatively soonish once I start. | ||
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I submitted [1][5] Not sure why I am so low on the count then | ||
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On December 01 2013 20:53 marvellosity wrote: Please don't do this, it's super unhelpful. Quick F5. I didnt know I could abstain. I discussed my AFK with the hosts pre-game and they said as long as I knock out a vote in the first 24hrs I didnt have to replace out. In the end I should be a null read for everyone. As I have literally zero content. | ||
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I havent read any of the long descriptions and Im pretty late in the draft pick. So: is the preference for me to choose my own hero OR use my pick to see if a specific role is gone? I suspect I choose my own hero, as the whole point of banning heroes is to mitigate late-drafts hero confirming. (P.S. i have no idea if this has already been discussed) | ||
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On December 01 2013 21:58 Oatsmaster wrote: SS pretty scummy If SS is pleasant hes prob scum. Has he been plesaant? | ||
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One, if Rayn is scum hes doing a good job of faking interest. Im inclined to not policy lynch him this game *too soon? *Two, I found it hard to read into the first 24hrs. A lot of votes swung onto Yorick early on, and because everything was generic pro-town spiel people could jump on board with no consequence. This leads me to two paths (A) I like those that tried to break the status quo and suggest other players. I think Kurumi/BC stand out here from memory? So many names, maybe there are others. (B) Whimsical Yorick +1's from people such as Marv conversely raise bells for me. Yes, Marv said he would be lazy so we have some congruence. However he also seems to have read the roles to some extent - at least enough to participate in discussion here and there. Hence, I would have expect a town Marv to fall under path (A) regardless of work ethic. Theres some WIFOM convo about whether scum marv would be lazy and frankly Im leaving that in the WIFOM department. Lastly, this quote really stuck out to me when reading: On December 01 2013 11:44 jcarlsoniv wrote: I take issue with the first line. As it is a direct appeal to ego.I've always liked you for your calm head and level thinking, geript Why don't you think he's scum? What, in all of his disruption and argumentative posts made you give him a "I want to keep you around" vibe? Now, later in the game when people are campaigning for votes, I would list this as a null tactic - after all, it is a very effective form of persuasion usable by both town and scum. However,t his is early game and the topic in question is merely to illicit a read on a player. Why the need for this appeal? Especially when I think most could agree that Geript is often far from calm or level-headed. In short: I think Rayn has been playing pretty townie. If JCarlsonic is "paranoid town".. why the need to make this type of appeal to Geript? This really reads to me as trying to get Geript to do his dirty-work for him. Thoughts? | ||
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On December 01 2013 23:12 marvellosity wrote: Perhaps, but I interpreted the exchange as him taking issue with you being able to blend in using the pre-game context of playing lazy. I don't believe this is a far-fetched thought to have.*snip* my point being, if he has a lot of respect for my scumplay, then he shouldn't really be thinking that I am starting off the game superlazy as mafia. It doesn't make very much sense at all. | ||
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On December 01 2013 23:21 Oatsmaster wrote: This doesnt make any sense Mocsta Why would marv intentionally rock the boat as town? Do you not think Yorick is a good ban? What is your point? Town have 3 vote choices. Someone had to step up and propose an alternative to the ubiquitous Yorick. | ||
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On December 01 2013 23:21 marvellosity wrote: jcarl must be being sarcastic there... Didn't read like it to me. Do you disagree with my thoughts on the appeal? | ||
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Noone else commented on thoughts regarding low drafts picking hero vs trying to confirm heroes. Since your the only logical person around; where is your line in the sand? | ||
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Yeah i will choose my own. | ||
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On December 02 2013 00:16 Koshi wrote: Mocsta. How did you miss that obvious sarcasm? geript --> calm head --> level thinking or geript --> hothead --> HULK SMASH I'm in MYLO. Guess im reading into things too closely /sigh Obviously time to go to bed. | ||
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In the end we roll with whatever we get, just like any other game. Im not role claiming anyways. Got burnt by it last PYP where BM fake-claimed justice vigi. | ||
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I cant remember the details other than, yam + BM both went for JV. | ||
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On December 02 2013 11:43 raynpelikoneet wrote: yeah BM got to be an "injustice-vigi" which would kill him if he did not shoot townies. rofl On N1 i tried to crumb you one of Snoman/OO got CPRdoc and is scum but you didn't get the crumb. :p LOL.. yeah you are right hahah. fark OK noted and agreed on the history. I still think the example stands because BM was the 2nd last pick he had the flexibility to claim whatever was left. And moreso, I think with such limited time its too hard to coordinate something that ensures accountability (i.e. the BM stuff above) | ||
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I have chosen 3 names I havent seen anyone talk about and RNG between them | ||
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So first 5 votes equates to 1 It's almost like being a pardoner | ||
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U a vt? | ||
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On December 02 2013 12:55 raynpelikoneet wrote: Yes there is an extra effect in addition to that -4 votes thingy. It is sort of protection. I am planning on using that on a towniest guy on N1 as it's one shot. Pick me!!! Pick me!!! | ||
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On December 02 2013 13:07 OdinOfPergo wrote: @mocsta are you caster or tank? I don't know anything about lol Sorry I was a marksman whatever that means | ||
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On December 02 2013 13:26 raynpelikoneet wrote: ##Vote: VisceraEyes Time to start playing buddy. You look like Is this a pressure vote? I have him as null, I.e. pretty unmemorable. What stands out as scummy? | ||
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On December 02 2013 13:41 OdinOfPergo wrote: I think I played with jay before in nomination?ooo Rayn do expand on Jay... My thoughts: Jay Also, I haven't brought this up yet becuase I haven't come to a strong conclusion... but I'll re-read tomorrow after I get home from work but I wanted to mention it now that the day has started.. I don't get the worse vibes from him, and I haven't looked into his meta at all. That being said though.. Anytime this case of scenarios happens I'm going to be iffy. Jay pulls the noob card a few times. Why as town would you want people to think you're not worth listening too? You mention several times that your new to PYP. Once... Mehhhhh bad tells but w/e... Twice..? Are you trying to discredit yourself to the rest of the town? I mean past that you're just trying to have opinions without being holdable to those opinions. Pushing a wishy washy case again Marv "He could be scum, maby not, maby so, maby not." For pure meta reasons? Common dude, I expected a lot more out of you. He was pretty wishy washy there as town if I'm thinking of the right guy. Regardless of whether marv is town or scum, what benefit is there for scum to push marv the way jay did? Could argue blending in as his opinion is easy to dismiss. I think in this case it's going to be important to monitor how he follows up his marv read. | ||
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On December 02 2013 13:51 raynpelikoneet wrote: Yes of course it does not make him town for sure. He could have just forgot or maybe scum are not cooperating well. But all in all it is a factor that should be considered. Reasonable point raised. I would rebut by adding that ?6 players didn't submit picks. I don't want to use this argument to assume all are town. The safest course of action I think is to treat this tell as null. | ||
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Look, being the weekend I can see anyone afk,n. I just don't think it's a smart idea to give a tell like this town credit. To each their own though. | ||
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On December 01 2013 03:38 VisceraEyes wrote: VEYes. Yes. Good. Good. Geript I refuse to try and read you right now. Jay prolly town. Can you shed more light on this read. I am confused due to your stance on Marv: On December 01 2013 02:08 VisceraEyes wrote: No I don't think marv's posts thus far have been alignment indicative - honestly very little about what happens today is going to affect my read of people because very little can be held accountable (we get three bans and only one vote, so people will be spread out with the excuse of "well maybe my ban will be one of the top three") until we can actually vote to lynch people. | ||
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On December 02 2013 14:18 raynpelikoneet wrote: Mocsta, can you give me quick reads on the following people (a couple of words will do fine): supersoft, geript, OdinOfPergo, Storrzerg, sandroba, gtrsrs, Oatsmaster, justanothertownie. SS - Null. Most of his posts are setup speculation which is acceptable either alignment at this phase of the game. I admit I haven't played with a scum SS; but I also havent played with a pleasant one either. It makes me naturally assume something is different. Hes active though which is a good sign too. Yes, null. Geript - Soft town lean. Trolling Geript is null. But this Geript appears to be trying to push the thread into a certain direction - using reasoning vs slander. I also like that he is trying to make "look at me statements" to be noticed. He *wants* the attention. For this stage of the game I think thats pretty townie. OdinOfPergo - Null to soft scum lean Very setup oriented filter so i dont place a lot value in having activity. Half the stuff hes takling about I have no idea about because I'm not familiar with LoL. Hes also got an early Day0 obsession with Jay which hasn't relented, yet, he seems to be asking the opinion of others rather than talk to Jay to firm up a read?. This is kinda reminding me of how I approached Storrzerg in Mafia LXIII. Storrzerg - Null No idea, nothing really to work off Sandroba - Null Sandroba is known for good plans as town so its natural for him to easily receive buy-in // propose something conceived pre-game. Hes also known for lurking as scum. Hes given reasoning for lack of activity, so I think he will become pretty clear over the next 48hrs especially with roles being out. gtrsrs - Soft town lean I hate players like this. Troll. Its pretty light hearted, and the joke he made on Sandroba made me laugh, which is probably a good sign - as joviality is hard to fake. Most of the stuff is selfish setup talk which probably indicates town that will be useless to moving the thread forward i.e. the usual TL sign up these days. Oatsmaster - ?? It looks like hes trying to stir the pot intentionally. He seriously couldnt think that SS vet idea was good... I honestly have no idea how to read this guy anymore, he used to have direction in his pushes as town. Tips?? Justanothertownie - Null to Soft scum lean He is uncharacteristically active/assertive. The games I played with JAT he was pretty timid. Here he is calling people stupid and just in general seems to be on edge. I find he also talks to Rayn as if auto-assuming Rayn is town. White knighting? | ||
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On December 02 2013 14:39 gtrsrs wrote: so who took kha'zix? i declared that i was taking him and so you are scum for taking him. please come forward so i can lynch you I wanted him, but left him cos of you I went with The Guy that plays with himself | ||
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On December 02 2013 15:00 raynpelikoneet wrote: I just mislynched in MYLO. Excuse me if I'm cautious.Interesting. I think all of those people are town. Can u please explain me the oats town read. | ||
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Gtrsrs made me laugh. /nuff said for early day1 | ||
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On December 02 2013 15:01 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: I want opinions from everybody in the thread on gtrsrs and geript. I'm not doing an analysis of geript right now since people keep calling him town. I'll accept that I might be wrong for now. But I want people to justify these reads instead of just sheeping rayn. If everyone just continue to parrot rayn I'll go do some digging of my own but right now gtrsrs is my primary goal. I disagree on gtrsrs & Geript. This sounds to me like you are trying to pick on poor play rather look into scum agenda. If Gtrsrs is trying to fly under the radar.. why are *YOU* noticing him compared to the 28 other people in the game. | ||
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On December 02 2013 15:11 VisceraEyes wrote: He hasn't done anything - including screwing around - since we got roles. And he wasn't doing anything /before/ we got roles that he would have /stopped/ doing when we did. This defense doesn't make any sense. I'm sorry but since when does every townie have to be pro-town? The fact is, I dont see how what he has pushed is (1) Letting him blend in -- which scum usually want or (2) Pushing a scum agenda. Fact is, im pretty pissed ima VT, so I can feel his pain and agree. Helps me think hes the same as me. At least scum still have a QT and/or factional KP. I got nothing.. I think his position is reasonable. | ||
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On December 02 2013 15:24 Oatsmaster wrote: geript is needlessy agressive and is totally faking the anger .... Say what. Where? | ||
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On December 02 2013 15:36 Kenpachi wrote: Yeah geript reminds me of my old style, which in itself is a pretty bad meter of judgment but he has no style/flair to it so I'm bringing back my intuition to call him out on his posts but you know, I hate the lack of respect I got. He is all up in your face about it but in a way where nothing he says matters. get what I mean? Fuck me.. and this guy is talking about people being useless. VE How do we read this guy aside from the kenpachi rule? | ||
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On December 02 2013 15:43 raynpelikoneet wrote: VE a question to you. Do you think MZ's sread on you is legit? Based on N0 i mean. Do you think you provided analysis? Would you say it was reasonable to have a strong enough town read on you for anyone? Nice money question I agree over played town read abd overplayed scum read on gtrsrs. | ||
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I CAN YELL TOO .... WHAT DO YOU MAKE OF MZ | ||
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On December 02 2013 15:46 Kenpachi wrote: nigga, I don't know who you are but let me tell you something. You are no different than geript at this point. Both, prejudice. Last time I was active in Mafia was early 2012. That was also my sophomore year of high school. I like to consider that period a transition of when I actually flipped the switch and tried new things and changed as a result. How about you think about that, instead of assumptions which are moot and baseless at this point. Move along cause I know you're town and I'd rather talk about the game than complain how you guys are not going to take me seriously Bitch pls. I don't pull out just because you call me town. And yes, I played one game with you before. | ||
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On December 02 2013 15:50 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: mocsta if you have a problem with me just come out and say it. I fucking hate when people beat around the bush like this. Fine. I think your reads are tailored to pushing a scum agenda. If the town read on VE was be wise u had a Dr ja vu moment. I CAN accept that... But it wasn't. And your push on gtrsrs reads fake to me .. evident by u forgetting he exists. Your turn | ||
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On December 02 2013 15:50 Kenpachi wrote: ok. Gtrsrs is a hot topic with a small filter.Then elaborate. All you really inferred was my behavior in relation to past games. Want to gimme some thoughts? | ||
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On December 02 2013 15:59 VisceraEyes wrote: But fear not - I'll have my trusty Galaxy Note 3 in case anyone wants to throw down whilst I'm still awake.  *MORNING* | ||
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On December 02 2013 15:58 Roffles wrote: If he's scum, what's to gain from posting really dumb shit instead of just staying quiet like half the players? Sir Roffles Do you have an opinion on someone <other> than gtrsrs? | ||
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On December 02 2013 16:00 Kenpachi wrote: Thanks for that. You can't infer shit about gtrsrs atm. He has a small filter like you said. Am I missing something? I think someone earlier said town can still be antitown. He is anti town yes, not inclined to believe hes scum. So keep the pressure on him. I dunno where to go from here as you were surprisingly obliging. Thank you | ||
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On December 02 2013 16:05 raynpelikoneet wrote: Mocsta were you coaching the last newbie game / have you read the game? No and no. I take it someone of interest is from there? Is this Newbie L? | ||
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On December 02 2013 16:07 raynpelikoneet wrote: Yeah i suggest you look at OdinOfPergo's filter from that game and reconsider your read on him. that's like the easiest townread there is. Half that game is in this one. Awesome. Umm... are you referring to this post text-block structure? Cos the similarity jumps out at me immediately.. lol <or the content/phrasing> | ||
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On December 02 2013 16:11 raynpelikoneet wrote: He has absolutely no idea what to do as scum and is the definition of wishy-washyness and insecureness. Does it look like that in this game? hmm. I dont see it personally. I skimmed his Mafia L (roleblocker) filter http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=433102&user=OdinOfPergo&view=all and I thought a lot of his accusations were quite bold. The only wishywashiness I saw was his use of adjectives to diminish his accusations. You seem to be playing level headed, and there is certainly credit that you just coached him. But I don't see enough to state hes a STRONG town read. Maybe slight town lean but hes certainly not off-limits from being pressured I think. | ||
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Are you intentionally ignoring me? http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=436086¤tpage=54#1072 | ||
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On December 02 2013 16:18 Roffles wrote: Jaybrundage screams red. Just complete wishwash nonsense from him. Inactivity for a while after trying to "unsuccessfully" instigate plans he never had any intentions of carrying out. Think MZ's red too. Don't have previous experience for me to draw information off, but his play seems super hostile for no apparent reason, especially when someone briefly mentions his name in passing as "could be scum". Doesn't make any sense to me why anyone would be so super defensive so quick. With gtrsrs you gave some insight into why you think his motives were townie. With Jay + MZ can you have detailed some actions you find odd/scummy. Can you please walk me through why the motives are pushing a scum agenda. | ||
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On December 02 2013 16:26 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: OK, I can leave the town VE read alone. I suppose everyone has their own special reads (e.g. Rayn with OdinofPergo).uh no missed that sorry. I really don't know what you're accusing me of. Let's clear this up once and for all: I first provided a green read on VE AFTER rayn asked me. My reasoning was the same then as it was now: I've seen his play and know what it looks like. I came out in defense of him so hard because I know what an easy mislynch he is. He was mislynched in the last game I played and I've mislynched him before. He's an easy target for scum to jump on and I wanted to put a halt to any possible wagon that might start. onto gtrsrs... idk how it's fake, my case is like literally the second one made this game, I have no idea how it's "fake." I pointed out behavior I thought was scummy and how gtrsrs has not been playing with a town mindset. I don't like how you have gone about gtrsrs. My read on him aside (1) You made a case on a guy calling him out for flying under the radar -- yet you noticed him (2) Instead of probing to ascertain his alignment, you lead with a vote. With his amount of content I dont see how anyone could have such a strong read on him. What differentiates him from all the other trolls? (3) You aren't going out of your way to adapt your message to communicate it. i.e. you put out a case and are happy to talk about other issues (in fairness you are being called out) but still. this reads like feigned contribution to me. (4) In Sicilian you were an unpleasant troll -- but town. Why can't gtrsrs fit this mould? | ||
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What do you think of Roffles? //fair enough if you want to wait for him to reply to my last query. | ||
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On December 02 2013 16:41 Kenpachi wrote: Pick Me !!haha fuck I have to agree bitterly cause its rather right but I don't want to agree with it, cause I feel like a total idiot tbh. And being damned, I'd have to submit to your method for now. My day 1 is by far the weakest part of my game anyways so I cant criticize you for having a plan when honestly, I'm going to be sitting here considering everyone null. But I would say its hard to call everyone in that group town based on the statistics/intuition. Pick Me !! Ken (can I call you that?) Out of that list of 10; is Rayn was wrong about anyone; who do you think *could* be the most likely. I guess in other words; when you say null; do you mean I have zero opinion or anyone, or there is not enough information to have a firm opinion? | ||
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On December 02 2013 16:42 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: I am pointing out the irony of your case. If he is fulfilling a scum objective to blend in, he would not have stood out to you.+ Show Spoiler + On December 02 2013 16:33 Mocsta wrote: OK, I can leave the town VE read alone. I suppose everyone has their own special reads (e.g. Rayn with OdinofPergo). I don't like how you have gone about gtrsrs. My read on him aside (1) You made a case on a guy calling him out for flying under the radar -- yet you noticed him someone has to? I don't see how this is a problem. Are you saying we're both scum and I'm bussing? The point of scum hunting is to search out and find scum. Scum don't just magically lynch themselves, they have to be found first (2) Instead of probing to ascertain his alignment, you lead with a vote. With his amount of content I dont see how anyone could have such a strong read on him. What differentiates him from all the other trolls? So are you voting him for information, or because you think he is scum?a) votes are the best way to gain information b) he's different because he's trying to look like he cares while at the same time trying to hide. c) Besides, it's the beginning of the game so I vote off of the information I have available to me. My vote isn't set in stone, it simply lies where I feel it is most appropriate at the moment Like, in your case you originally point out LSB. Why not probe LSB further instead of going for the easy path forward with gtrsrs? (3) You aren't going out of your way to adapt your message to communicate it. This is acceptable.i.e. you put out a case and are happy to talk about other issues (in fairness you are being called out) but still. this reads like feigned contribution to me. Somehow VE became a much bigger issue so I've kinda been dealing with that. Also gtrsrs hasn't been back in the thread so there's not much I can do until he responds to what I have to say (4) In Sicilian you were an unpleasant troll -- but town. Why can't gtrsrs fit this mould? And what again is his specific objective that he is pushing? As far as I could see , he is self-centered. Which yes could be scum.. but as has been proved by game after game of forum mafia, could also be town.lol... was waiting for someone to point out I was an ass in Sicilian... I don't even remember why I trolled Sicilian, the point is I don't think gtrsrs is trolling, he just has anti town objectives. I cant follow how you jump to this conclusion. | ||
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On December 02 2013 16:53 Roffles wrote: gtrsrs is bad town because he drew poorly and didn't get what he wanted. JayBrundage is scum because the accusations are wild and have no basis and in general everything about his posting screams "blame x, y, z" even when confronted himself instead of simply taking the time to explain himself. *is* = strong word. Are you going to lead with a vote? | ||
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On December 02 2013 17:00 Roffles wrote: I dont think gtrsrs is scum, but thats a stretch of his filter.You think scum makes posts that basically say "Fuck this game, I give up?" Cause I don't think anyone's dumb enough to attract attention to themselves through that method. On December 02 2013 14:39 gtrsrs wrote: so who took kha'zix? i declared that i was taking him and so you are scum for taking him. please come forward so i can lynch you Doesn't sound like hes giving up to me? | ||
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On December 02 2013 17:06 Roffles wrote: Doesn't sound like he cares what happens to anyone except that whoever took his champ gets lynched. hmmm, perhaps this is just a matter of semantics/interpretations. All moot carry on. Want to weigh in on this MZ stuff? Is MZ overplaying bad town tells; or scum pushing lynch bait? | ||
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##Vote: MZ http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=436086¤tpage=57#1133 | ||
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On December 02 2013 17:19 bumatlarge wrote: Mocsta, vote jcarl. You already figured out he was scum before I did. But you didnt vote him? lol | ||
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On December 02 2013 17:17 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: Points 1-3 are accepted.jesus christ calm down, I missed it again. As you recognized I am currently dealing with other people. Point 4 -- I dont follow this conclusion. What has he done to shit the thread; even you acknowledge his post content is low. Further, he seems to be keeping everything within his own microcosm. Vote remains. | ||
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I disagree that he is scummy but I think I can see your point of view. Heading home. Will figure out my vote later on. | ||
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Firstly, its pretty annoying to wade through 30 pages here my name is being tossed around and nothing is being addressed to me. - Regarding MZ was suspicious of MZ because I did not believe that someone could have such a strong read on a player with so little content at that point in time. In short, his approach felt identical to mine in Mafia LXII regarding Storrzerg. Whats the problem? Because what I am reading is that people are making association reads on gtrsrs to say stuff like "im chainsaw defending. " WTF? Secondly, I'm VT not fake claiming anything. I already crumbed what role I went for. "I play with myself" In a meeting. Be back in an hour. | ||
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Definitely didnt like the way he talked about me. Felt like he was trying to +1 onto bullshit. ##Vote: JohnnyLaw | ||
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On December 03 2013 10:00 VisceraEyes wrote: Hey guys, Mocsta is literally talking out of his ass. He couldn't have been suspicious of MZ for that reason because he had a town read on gtsrs to the point of hard defending him against me AND MZ, in spite of the guy having literally zero content in the thread. /dunked. Really? I pretty much alluded to it immediately when MZ made the case. On December 02 2013 15:17 Mocsta wrote: I disagree on gtrsrs & Geript. This sounds to me like you are trying to pick on poor play rather look into scum agenda. If Gtrsrs is trying to fly under the radar.. why are *YOU* noticing him compared to the 28 other people in the game. As for you; you made a point i disagreed with in general - not specific to gtr. /<No> Dunked | ||
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On December 03 2013 10:47 VisceraEyes wrote: Whether you say that's your reason or not is completely meaningless. You're doing it yourself, so if you would have us believe that you're town, then you're doing the exact same thing you're accusing MZ of. Having a relatively strong townread on someone you by all accounts you have no business having. MZ has reasons for having his read on me, which he's clearly laid out. What were your reasons again for thinking gtsrs was so obviously town Mocsta? You are the one jumping to conclusions and I don't like it. My read on gtr is irrelevant. I *believe* that you can't have such a strong read early game, in particular off troll content I that is easy to interpret to both alignments. Hence why I decided to probe MZ for more information on his motive. I dont see what the problem is? As for gtrsrs, I never had a *strong* town read on him. On December 02 2013 14:50 Mocsta wrote: [gtrsrs - Soft town lean I hate players like this. Troll. Its pretty light hearted, and the joke he made on Sandroba made me laugh, which is probably a good sign - as joviality is hard to fake. Most of the stuff is selfish setup talk which probably indicates town that will be useless to moving the thread forward i.e. the usual TL sign up these days. I had a soft town lean. Regardless of that, asking someone to clarify "they are pushing a scum agenda" does not equivocate to "having a strong town lean". | ||
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Cases say more about the accuser than the recipient. I was asking you guys to better articulate your arguments... because I wanted to know the motive of slamming what I thought was poor play vs scum play. Again. I don't see what the problem is here. | ||
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Then u need to get ya butt onto Jonnylaw. That guy was so wishywashy in his last couple posts. | ||
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On December 03 2013 11:15 VisceraEyes wrote: I've got my own lurker lynch lined up. Lay off my vote friend. Lol. How is johnny a lurker vote? He's tried to contribute by +1'n the vets. It's far from an activity policy lynch. | ||
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Geript aside. Thoughts on jonny? | ||
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On December 03 2013 11:32 jcarlsoniv wrote: I wouldn't be completely distraught if the lynch ended up going that way. The small case marv brought up is based somewhat on meta, so I can't really say too much about it. The posts you brought up as contradictions are kinda contradictions, it is a little bit of a stretch. But he has done fairly little in terms of actually being useful in the game. I wouldn't put him as a priority lynch today. But I do agree with him, I don't like the way kush is playing right now. I don't know why he's being so lacksidaisical about the way he's playing. Contradictions was rayn btw | ||
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U got me. I don't care about this game as much as I thought I would. All this hero talk early game went over my head and I'm missing out on the best part of playing in a pyp. Here's your wifom argument back at you. I enjoy scum. Would I be this uninterested as scum? Answer is no. When u have real questions for me, lemme know. | ||
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Too many PoI, Marv, pick a filter pls. (for me to read) | ||
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On December 03 2013 23:49 raynpelikoneet wrote: Mocsta what do you think of Mocsta? This is a real question! I don't find my play fits into any category of my usual standard, because I am barely playing. Like I said before I'm struggling due to the early game. Every filter I have read has so much setup talk and I just go "ugggh" Why can't I be a sheep for once? | ||
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On December 04 2013 00:03 raynpelikoneet wrote: You can be a sheep if you sheep me! But only for D1, then you have to start playing. Promise? Lol. Well Im reading the filters Kush suggested johnnylaw bum LSB we will take it from there. | ||
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On December 04 2013 00:01 kushm4sta wrote: mocsta these are the important filters atm i think: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=436086&user=JonnyLaw http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=436086&user=bumatlarge http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=436086&user=LSB ##Unvote jonnylaw First off, I think he "stole" my hero - so I might be prejudiced. Reading his filter I'm at loggerheads. - I cant follow his reads mid Day1 - they read like checklists and with some of the reads I dont even know if the lean is town or null. - I find him to be a lot more direct/assertive during the pick phase. Coupled with the point above I find pretty scummy. - Has a read on OWB/Kush.. that is weird. On one hand he is making some effort in his filter to push it, and on the other hand I don't feel he is making an effort to strengthen his read by talking to Kush. - I do like how he plays early Day 1 with Geript/Jay. It felt like he was stopping that feud and then tried to generate discussion with the right level of assertiveness. - I also misread him earlier when I said he +1'd me. That was prob OMGUS of me. Having said that, I dont see why it is relevant to call me out for making excuses. Doesn't take it anywhere either. Overall I think he has good potential to be scum. I really want to see him push his prime read (Kush) more. + I'm not sure if knowing he is a newbie is affecting my read. Bumatlarge On November 30 2013 23:56 bumatlarge wrote: good ##Unvote ##Vote: Urgot I know you went afk Mocsta, but if you do come back, please unvote caitlyn and vote LITERALLY ANYTHING ELSE ;_; I dont like this post. To me its overplayed enthusiasm. Realistically, did my vote make a difference to the outcome? I just dont see the point to it other than filler. - I noticed in his list of heroes split into town/defensive/mafia that my hero is not listed - even though it had KP. This makes me wonder what else was left out? Prob a null point, with so many heroes its hard to keep on top of them all. On December 02 2013 17:19 bumatlarge wrote: I don't like this. I never called jcarl scum. Ironically, I take issue with bum here for the blatant appeal to egoMocsta, vote jcarl. You already figured out he was scum before I did. - I'm struggling to follow his train of thought. Still very setup focused - I dont get his stance on JL. Regarding the accidental vote, I'm not even sure if Bum is reading carefully if he points this out as non-accidental? - His read on LSB (who I haven't read yet) looks like hes leaving himself a backdoor. - I dont see where the Geript reads materialised? - I do like how persistent he is with Jcarl, but I dont know why he is so *certain* of this read. It felt really odd in tone to be included with his SK retort. Overall I'm really struggling to understand his line of thought/reasoning. Pick Phase he read like an excited kid gleefully figuring out which present to unwrap on Christmas Day. Im not getting that anymore. I think its unusual for town to be so stubborn on a lynch candidate this early. I think he also backpedaled his read on LSB when pressured by Marv in a scummy/wishy-washy way. I'm really disliking the continued setup speculation about powers and ultimates etc as well. Yeah, I can definitely vote this slot. ##Vote: Bumatlarge LSB - Vote on me is terrible. At least he dropped it without pressure. I'm really struggling to read his filter. Its painful. I disagree with what he is doing on so many levels (role fishing, policy lynching, list summaries) but at the same time I can't imagine a scum player being this ballsy. Surely it would have to set a precedent for bold play. Considering he was onto bum quite early; i dont see why scum would need to bus. so i am kinda association reading him as town. | ||
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On December 04 2013 02:14 gtrsrs wrote: soniv has claimed or crumbed that he doesn't deal damage. based on the most prominent characteristics of the champs on the list, he's likely to be one of the following: anivia - though in-game she's a high damage champ, her defining characteristics are her wall (her listed ability) and her passive, which allows her to come back to life a short time after being killed, with most or all of her HP back. amumu - not a high damage champ. is notable for all the crowd control (restricting opponents movement and actions) abilities he has. blitzcrank - like amumu, a low damage champ with lots of crowd control. known most for his listed ability, his hook. galio - his defining characteristics are his listed ability which is a shield that heals him, and his ultimate, which is a huge taunt (redirects attacks onto him) that affects a large radius around him. janna - she's a support character that shields, heals, and buffs allies. morgana - her defining traits are her black shield (listed ability) and her ultimate, which works like amumu's: a large stun in an area around her. she also has a single-target stun. orianna - while she is a high damage champ, she's more known for her high utility: shields, displacement abilities, and slows/speed buffs. she's likely to be able to scramble a mix of abilities for 1 night in addition to her listed ability shen - known for his taunt (listed ability) and his ult, which allows him to shield an ally for a massive amount, and teleport to their location. soraka - typical healer. can heal a single target, can heal the whole team, can silence enemies. zilean - known for his ult, which brings someone back to life after their death. of these champs, i believe it's most likely that soniv picked anivia, janna, or morgana. I retract my earlier lean.. im so tempted to swap votes right now.. the above is so fuckn pointless | ||
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This is worse than feigning contribution as its putting me off reading anything he writes. | ||
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On December 04 2013 02:45 marvellosity wrote: I have alluded to my hero pick several times.I'm not really setup-man so I don't have any particular opinion other than what I've already stated - claimed VTs should claim what they tried to choose originally. There are probably ones that I missed but this includes Rean Mocsta OdinofPergo I'm sure various claiming will be useful at some point but I don't think that point is now. c'mon its not hard "play with myself" I also said I think jonnylaw "stole" it | ||
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On December 04 2013 09:11 marvellosity wrote: Why are you hinting? If it's that obvious why do you keep playing around with it? I literally know nothing of LoL champions having never played LoL in my life. All I'm hearing is that you're a wanker. That isn't helping me. Fiddlestix LOL...I dont play LoL either, but I thought the pun was good. | ||
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On December 04 2013 09:33 marvellosity wrote: "I lurk superhard as scum" ------> goes missing for 24h and comes in with a terrible, generic +1 vote with no thought behind it. Actually this also ties in with what you said before about influentials leading the bum lynch and mafia may be forced to unwillingly oblige. | ||
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On December 04 2013 09:35 geript wrote: The more I think about it, the more I realise that a paranoid town Jay would be more pessimistic of people in general.What do you think of the paranoid argument. The focus on Marv seems doesn't make sense with the jump to Bum. When I played with jay in nomination; he was unpredictable and confused as town (i.e. would flip reads instantly on new information). He's not showing any signs of this paranoia; its all suspicion that could have been said pre-game... as his reasoning for marv being scum weren't in-game related. | ||
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On December 04 2013 09:45 Mig wrote: Does anyone have experience with jay's town game and how much effort he generally puts in? http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=395690&user=jaybrundage&view=all On December 04 2013 09:38 Mocsta wrote: The more I think about it, the more I realise that a paranoid town Jay would be more pessimistic of people in general. The focus on Marv seems doesn't make sense with the jump to Bum. When I played with jay in nomination; he was unpredictable and confused as town (i.e. would flip reads instantly on new information). He's not showing any signs of this paranoia; its all suspicion that could have been said pre-game... as his reasoning for marv being scum weren't in-game related. | ||
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On December 04 2013 10:04 bumatlarge wrote: Also, Rean, I'm fairly certain Roffles meant that a Olayer would be better off dead in the game. As in they are bad townie. I think its non-alignment indicative. I have asked players to replace out as both alignments. Its a wanker thing to do in general though, but I dont think its worth further discussion considering he was warned for it. | ||
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On December 04 2013 10:42 jaybrundage wrote: Hmm the wagon isn't going as hard on me as i thought. Maybe i should of saved that for later : / Hey VE I should get a Lol Smurf with BEST MISLYNCH NA hmm I thought i voted bum last night. WIFOM defense after WIFOM denfese ##Unvote ##Vote: Jay | ||
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On December 04 2013 10:47 VisceraEyes wrote: ##Unvote ##Vote: Jay Not mad friend, just disappointed. Dont copy me. Doesnt count if its not in the vote thread. | ||
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On December 04 2013 10:51 supersoft wrote: mind your own business. what are you pushing? Why are you even in this game? What are you pushing? You're still on the no vote list. | ||
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On December 04 2013 10:58 OdinOfPergo wrote: @Bum the only reason I'm not voting you is I'm pretty sure you're going to go through anyway.. And if you don't you're going to shoot yourself in the foot tomorrow. I don't get this line of thought. Vote for your best read. Is it Jay or Bum? | ||
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On December 04 2013 11:00 justanothertownie wrote: It is a sweet post but why oh why do you take the little time you have to rhyme instead of trying to convince us that you are town? I will never understand this kind of behaviour it was the same with iamp in noir. Shameless +1 I wish he detailed why Geript is scum too. I find it highly unlikely that jcarl/Geript shared scum to scum interactions. | ||
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On December 04 2013 11:03 OdinOfPergo wrote: My best read of LSB isn't going to go through tonight. I think the main defense against his lynch is stupid. My thought on the subject is: People's defense on LSB is mainly; Bum claimed he'd pick Tryn. Unless he's scum together with LSB there is no way LSB would pick Tryn. I find this logic retarted especially after Bum himself said "Any sane townie would never pick Tryn". I mean that statement implies that if he's town, he will infact, not pick tryn. It's how I'm viewing it and to disregard the rest of LSB's post because of it is stupid. I dont see how LSB/Bum can both be scum. Thats a pretty heavy bus so early into the game. *Maybe* they didnt think it woudl take off; but seems like a stupid move to bus two experienced players first thing. I find LSB filter so convoluted I'm giving him benefit of the doubt over Bum. At least with Bum theres some glaring inconsistencies which I don't understand and he hasn't made an effort to enlighten us about either. Between Bum/Jay: I like both as a lynch. | ||
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On December 04 2013 11:10 bumatlarge wrote: Please keep asking, I think it's important for me to answer at this point. I dont have a specific question. This was my take on your filter Its kinda hard to ask something directly because what happened, happened - if you get my drift. On December 04 2013 01:07 Mocsta wrote: *snip* Bumatlarge I dont like this post. To me its overplayed enthusiasm. Realistically, did my vote make a difference to the outcome? I just dont see the point to it other than filler. - I noticed in his list of heroes split into town/defensive/mafia that my hero is not listed - even though it had KP. This makes me wonder what else was left out? Prob a null point, with so many heroes its hard to keep on top of them all. I don't like this. I never called jcarl scum. Ironically, I take issue with bum here for the blatant appeal to ego - I'm struggling to follow his train of thought. Still very setup focused - I dont get his stance on JL. Regarding the accidental vote, I'm not even sure if Bum is reading carefully if he points this out as non-accidental? - His read on LSB (who I haven't read yet) looks like hes leaving himself a backdoor. - I dont see where the Geript reads materialised? - I do like how persistent he is with Jcarl, but I dont know why he is so *certain* of this read. It felt really odd in tone to be included with his SK retort. Overall I'm really struggling to understand his line of thought/reasoning. Pick Phase he read like an excited kid gleefully figuring out which present to unwrap on Christmas Day. Im not getting that anymore. I think its unusual for town to be so stubborn on a lynch candidate this early. I think he also backpedaled his read on LSB when pressured by Marv in a scummy/wishy-washy way. I'm really disliking the continued setup speculation about powers and ultimates etc as well. Yeah, I can definitely vote this slot. ##Vote: Bumatlarge *snip* | ||
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FYI an extract from BttB regarding Rean scum meta + Show Spoiler + On November 22 2013 02:37 Mocsta wrote: Small tidbit, whilst looking for Rayn in the TL db to check mislynch history, i saw Rean: Insane Mafia 2 Town Police Tough Guy Killed Night 2 TL Mafia XXXVIII Town Vanilla Town Killed Night 3 Sleeper Cell Mafia Mafia Sleeper Agent Modkilled Day 1 Pick Their Power Mafia Town Psychic Survived I know Sleepcell is from 2011 but check teh filter http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=210416&user=Rean&view=all He has like 2 posts, but they are SO aggressive. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=227186&user=Rean&view=all In Pick Their Poewr he is quite casual and short posts. Rean gameplay doesnt really fit into either of those filters + its from 2011 and things change. BUT, what i do think is that it shows quite clearly his mentality when scum. Hesistant to talk, and high-strung/angry. On November 22 2013 11:52 Rean wrote: *snip* but wanted to comment on mocsta mentioning old games: I cant remember why but I know I was so frustrated from RL issues during the sleeper cell game that I didnt focus on it at all and the few posts I made were total shit. I got modkilled for lack of voting and banned for it and I totally deserved it and sat out the bans. You probably shouldn't be using it for meta purposes. going to sleep now, hopefully i'll feel better tomorrow. | ||
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On December 04 2013 11:42 Roffles wrote: ##Vote VE | ||
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Dont you do that type of stuff spontaneously? | ||
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On December 04 2013 11:48 geript wrote: I don't like this push from you. If he's doing it to egg VE on then doing it separately gets the double shot in on VE. double shot? | ||
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Hillarious On December 04 2013 11:50 Roffles wrote: ##Unvote ##Vote Bum | ||
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My point was that he was throwing his vote away. Granted consolidation isnt required at this point its still more trollish than I would expect. I take it that you disagree? | ||
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On December 04 2013 12:01 geript wrote: I don't think that when a lynch is this far ahead with time to kill and ODD type person wouldn't mind fucking with people just to fuck with people. With 4 people on LSB and 4 on jay, very low odds that his vote makes any difference. I don't read into it as more than trollish and slightly town leaning as scum get random attention for that when it's not like he's not already going to be under fire as being a lurker. Considering I have caught you before for doing stealth votes. And we all know that you would unvote and vote the accuser I dont see what the problem is. Why cant we ask Roffles to take accountability? Even if he was town realising consolidation is not required; how do we know hes not going to do this again next cycle. Premature cockblock from you, I thinks. | ||
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Geript... This is why we need accountability. Theres not really much I can say about Roffles good or bad because its in that stupid fucking in between. Whered Jay go? | ||
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Gives me a convenient town read when my vote is on him. The guy conveniently disappears once he notices he not under any pressure. Actually liked Bums poem. ..... | ||
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On December 04 2013 12:19 geript wrote: Honestly I'm way more concerned with Coagulation than Roffles. Is Coag in this game? | ||
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On December 04 2013 12:22 VisceraEyes wrote: Yeah he replaced another unreadable troll. Lucky us. BM.. i see. Coag barely posts as town. Does he post as scum on OMGUS? | ||
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Is the plan with Koshi: we don't care? Cos he has to be pro-town regardless of alignment? | ||
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On December 04 2013 14:09 raynpelikoneet wrote: You still have never providedany actual evidence why what you have said about Oats makes him scum. Maybe, but I dunno if that is grounds to call Geript scum. I actually think hes playing pretty well --> not shitting up the thread etc. | ||
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On December 04 2013 14:13 geript wrote: If its any consolation I think you are both town.Because what I said wasn't something I can look at in an objective way and prove to you. I don't think you're obvious town like a number of people think. But equally it's not and it wasn't going to be productive for me to get into a shitfest with you over it. Yah I think he's scum and I'm going to ride his ass until I either die, prove it to everyone, he dies or I'm convinced he's town. Can we put this aside and get back to the real scum hunting. I don't think Bum was a scum pushed lynch. Marv/Sandroba were quite influential in the push, and Bum himself didn't do a convincing job in the defense. But Bum raised an interesting point: Look at the people that called him town easily. jonny + Kush Jonny is interesting. His reason for thinking bum is town, was cos bum called him town. I think this is pretty weak. Further, I havent seen him try to develop his read on Kush (which was meant to be his prime target). I still think there is potential here, thoughts? Kush is also interesting. Mainly because he called me town + was pretty emphatic that Bum was town. We also know that a "correct Kush, is a scum Kush". Further, he is saying hes OK with a Jay lynch (instead of Bum). I still think Jay is scum (and we *know* Kush loves to bus) so this association is interesting (even without a flip) Thoughts? | ||
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On December 04 2013 14:31 raynpelikoneet wrote: Hey,I am interested in heraing what's your reasoning behind definitely not considering geript lynch next? whilst you are waiting for Geript to respond to your case above. Want to weigh in on johnny/Kush? | ||
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On December 04 2013 14:36 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: ok guys keep in mind my last post was somewhere in the 90s pages so I have a lot of ground to cover. I've been suspicious of geript so I am more than willing to consider a geript lynch, I just like to understand what changed to get other people to agree with me. I'm not being lazy oats, I just wanna know if I should watch for anything. Jesus... read the 30 pages then come back will ya. | ||
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Further, by discussing these things now: we might be putting them in the right direction and saving them time that can be used to further refine the reads. With Geript, I simply think its better if he addresses your case. He should be more than apt to. Even if he is scum, thats 1 of 6. You don't seem to think that jonny, kush or jay is scum. (Nor Marv/Sandroba) Any leads on any of the other 5? | ||
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Ima all happy that Rayn wants to be a new man when it comes to chucking the shits. But its pretty disrepectful that we aren't worth his time to discuss reads. "OoOoO because marv/sandroba are influential this game I will only talk with them" i.e. I wanna start a vet circle jerk I have a vote and its worth as much as anyone elses.... | ||
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I was expecting a reply earlier given your spammy nature. Apologies.. Lemme look into Risen. | ||
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Hes playing pretty selfish which is why I don't mind him. i.e. his posting about stuff thats important to him (role claims etc) and I don't really see how hes pushing a scum agenda with his posts -- which is more what I expect from him. He said his role is self-evident, so I suppose after the night phase it may be clearer what he is based on role pick/usage. | ||
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On December 04 2013 14:59 raynpelikoneet wrote: Noted. I think that is a fair position (regarding Geript).Hey Mocsta i am not saying i will not discuss things with you, because i am more than willing to do so. I am just saying i am not going to yell here geript is scum and get into an argument with him because i don't want to do it now. I agree with his case breakdown though. Some of what you said is annoying as the end-user (e.g. shits on ya plan) .. but I dont see why a townie wouldnt/couldnt do that either. | ||
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On December 04 2013 15:04 raynpelikoneet wrote: I won't get into this too much (i.e. this is the last I will say).I don't care about someone telling me your plan is bad in case they have something better to offer. Which geript hasn't. To me, ppl shit on plans all the time (in real life) cos its easy. Coming up with an alternative is always difficult, and often is what separates leaders from sheep. I think shitting on you would be malicious if you were discredited in the process. I dont recall this happening - hence null. | ||
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On December 04 2013 15:11 Promethelax wrote: Hey all, I'm here. I'm reading I have dick all idea of what has happened/is happening. I have some setup stuff (all I've read is the set up, sue me) which has probably been discussed but in case it hasn't needs to be discussed. 1) for my own personal benefit I'd like to request the list which I'm sure someone has of number/role claims. 2) this is a game where the sign up list can and will be changed. Does anyone have a record of the sign ups list at the beginning of d1? If so that should be made public as more information to town is good and I'll bet money that scum has the list (assuming they don't suck) so we won't be giving them anything by making it public. More importantly I want that list public now so that in endgame 2v1 lylo we don't have some lazy townies who didn't pay any attention and will miss the modconfirmed scum because they couldn't be assed to do the work to find said scum. In a game of this size I'm sure that by endgame, no matter how well or poorly town as a whole does the best and most involved townies will be dead. ces't la vie. I'm going to be reading the thread, its my fiance's birthday and I've been partying with her all night but she is worn out and asleep now. I think I'll be able to read the whole thread tonight but we'll see. Is there anyone or anything I should be looking at particularly? (1) See LSB filter (2) First draft pick list is around page31 I think.. or alternatively filter OP 3rd post = Mid or Feed (3) I'm really struggling to read LSB in general, so if you want to put a fresh perspective that I would appreciate it. Otherwise, some Persons of Interest to consider: Kush, Jay, Jonnylaw, some say Geript or VE. | ||
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On December 04 2013 15:18 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: Where did your D1 magic VE read evaporate to?yeah I agree with you actually. I had my vote on LSB and iirc there were a few others as well, if VE had really wanted to get a LSB lynch going (and that's what you usually do with your scumread), I would have expected to see a lot more out of VE to secure a lynch that imo should have gone through over bum. Saying he had an agenda is basically calling him scum imo so idk if I'd go that far to say he purposefully avoided it but it is strange. fyi I read jcarl's filter and I don't have much to add, bum said some great stuff and I would not at all be opposed to a jcarl lynch but I feel LSB and geript possible are gonna be better lynches for tomorrow. Where is foundation to lynch Geript built? | ||
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On December 04 2013 15:38 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: was or "are"@mocsta still think VE is town, think it's strange he didn't hammer on LSB as rayns post implied ( if that's not the case I'll have to reevaluate). I personally don't have foundation for a geript lynch but I've had a gut read all game and since people are discussing him I was gonna filter dive and see if there was foundation. | ||
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On December 04 2013 15:55 geript wrote: 1. Is any of what I wrote wrong? 2. How so? Because I've done the same thing like multiple times as scum? I had to read it a few times to get what VE meant. When I first read this, I thought you were venting to Bumat But, after a few reads I think VE is saying that you are overcompensating the "smack down". | ||
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this is probably Risen Karthus - Requiem - Press 'R' to win! Once during the game you deal damage to 3 targets of your choosing. This must be used at least 12 hours before a deadline, and the thread will be notified that you have used your ultimate, but not on whom. May be used during the day or at night | ||
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(1) Kush, I disagree. I'm remember him being pretty calm/collected in Noir (as scum). Further, I still like a relationship between him and jay. I get that he used logic to defend Bum - but if you knew he was town, I think saying "town do both of these things" is not a difficult thing to bring to the thread. The stuff you right feels like it is specific to Kush as opposed to other players. Not that I have a problem with meta -- but like i said, kush burnt me hard in Noir. If hes alive tomorrow, I will filter him in more detail; but so far I disagree. (2) LSB I'm in a similar mindset to you. You managed to word it a lot better with the use of "bluster" I really don't see scum being so ballsy to enact an instant policy lynch + all the setup confrontation. Happy to leave alone until later. (3) Onegu I would put firm null. The stuff you call out is unfortunately standard play for either alignment of Onegu -- but you seem to have some familiarity with him already?? Definitely need to keep an eye out for him, and I think he can be discerned if we give him a bit more time to showcase his scum reads -- pretty much all the analysts in BttB pegged him as town. (4) Coag I expect Coag to make useless posts, so an almost postless Coag is concerning. Agreed on the 1 day lay-off and no more. (5) Prome Yeah, towniest of the bunch by far off one post. | ||
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My only meta on him is from Nomination and my memory was that he was paranoid -- carefree doesn't ring a bell. Like, I get you are trying to paint a picture of carefree; but I dont see how that apostrophe post conveys that message? The pick selection was semi-discussed early game and holds some form of merit -- and there were 2 people that posted in the game that failed to submit #'s. Does this auto qualify both as town?? + then you get that hes AFK towards the end of the lynch, suddenly gets called out and magically appears to vote the leading bandwagon. I'm not sold on Jay being confirmed town in the slightest. | ||
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It's why I wanted to see him interact with kush more. | ||
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On December 04 2013 17:44 Promethelax wrote: Who was the other player? Will look into the jay thingo more when i get back home. The other player to forget draft picks but had posted was "ticklishmusic" | ||
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(2) I only skimmed from last night but I think Jay is looking a lot better. The effort put into that "left-field" VE case is not congruent with the effort put into that early marv suspicion, so actually reads to me as genuine effort based on belief, not just for "funsies". i.e. he could have easily dropped a half-ass case on someone being discussed or even Marv. (3) jonnylaw is looking the goods for D2. He *STILL* isn't pushing his main read. I get hes come in and had to defend himself, but normally town brush that stuff off and then get back into scum hunting. Please lynch (4) Regarding hard-to-read lurkers/replacements, need to juggle pressuring jonny with being able to put suitable pressure onto lurkers: Rean, Kenpachi, Onegu, Coag, SS, Austin I think people like Onegu, SS, Austin will be able to show tonwiness without pressure - i.e. they should be able to come to the thread themself (if town) Out of those 3 i'm concerned most about about SS because in LXII he had no present but was still memorable. I actually forgot he was in this game until recently raised.. this is a problem. Even if he is busy, when he comes in he should be able to deliver some impetus (i would imagine if he is town.. since apparently he has no valid meta; its part of why I auto-assume a pleasant/pliable SS would be a scum SS). Austin I have forgotten about as well, but hes still in another game so I dunno how much to value his absence. He can (proven) post as either alignment so absence is probably a null tell. | ||
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On December 05 2013 11:58 VisceraEyes wrote: I just lost my job. I may or may not have time for this. Definitely not until next phase. Sorry guys. Shit.. sorry dude.. Wow. | ||
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I really want to get back to work but keep f5'n) | ||
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not VE? GG prome. only 1 night kill.. how odd. Good protects I spose? ##Vote: jonnylaw | ||
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On December 05 2013 12:23 Mig wrote: Wtf marv! I got hit by 100 kp So Sandroba - 1KP Mig - 100KP Prome - >950KP ... the 1KP is really odd. No idea what that is? Khazix had KP between 75 - 250KP, so the 100KP could be a power? | ||
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On December 05 2013 12:32 OdinOfPergo wrote: This little tid-bit is nagging at me so bad now. We have 3 townie flips with the resulting modkill on Kurumi. Out of all 3 confirmed town none of them have a team name. Koshi and Rayn both claimed to have a team name. If any other townies got one they should mention this. I'm not familiar with LoL. Whats a team name? | ||
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On December 05 2013 12:29 Mocsta wrote: Sandroba - 1KP Mig - 100KP Prome - >950KP VE - 250KP Its obviously not smart if town to prob claim his KP if you did it. But this may help town with abilities to deduce scum KP . | ||
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On December 05 2013 12:35 OdinOfPergo wrote: Basically each team of players has a team name. Pohmanduu, Faker etc are on SKT. Doublelift is on CLG (Counter Logic Gaming.) Ahh k I wont give my player name. but Im on a team (that you didnt state) | ||
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On December 05 2013 12:37 OdinOfPergo wrote: That's actually a really nice catch Geript. U mean Rean right? <regarding Risen and the RB> | ||
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On December 05 2013 12:40 OdinOfPergo wrote: Mocsta if your on a team you might as well out it. From what I can tell other your player name could be used against you. The only explanation for certain townies having a team name instead of all of us would be mod specific flavor from the different people writing them. I just think that's a really strange inconsistency to make. But if that is the case there is literally no use for said teamname other than flavor purposes and you should just out it. Team Alternate. Then some crap about ELO and playing in a specific country. blah blah. /over-head. | ||
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(2) Yeah its disappointing marv is not here, but we can still lynch scum. He was one guy out of 29 left (3) Please join me onto jonnylaw He was one of Promes (confirmed town) best reads ; and his read was congruent with my own thoughts. Lets do this !! | ||
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On December 05 2013 12:46 Risen wrote: Jailed = RB in this case. What jailer sees my play d1 and goes, "Mafia are going to shoot Risen."? Your mason target may have been JB prevent powers to hit them. | ||
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Mig - 100KP Prome - >950KP VE - 250KP Jonny - 125KP -------- I think its pretty obvious scum killed Prome. (1) He was town (2) The KP delivered is beyond any KP range we have seen in the OP/flips The remaining KP off a guess are abilities either from town or scum heroes. Im surprised only 1 person died. So may have had good protects (RB/saves) One thing that is puzzling me is the 1KP on sandroba. I dont recall anything in the OP having something like that --- OK now i gotta go. | ||
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On December 05 2013 12:56 raynpelikoneet wrote: How do you know Prome was hit with 950 KP? His flip = 950KP. so was hit with at least 950KP?? hence >950KP > = greater than | ||
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One even if ve was hit for what 450kp apparently.. that's 2000kp total roughly. Even if it was confirmed all scum, that's too low for a 30player game. Should be abkut 3 people worth usually Not enough info to call people confirmed. Yes I'm looking at mig here. Ve is more than capable of bullshitting. I wonder if the save would have been notified as well??? Two. Why is no one joining me on jonny??? | ||
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On December 05 2013 13:47 VisceraEyes wrote: Okay, so. I want to lynch supersoft. Dude has been a non-presence all day longs in terms of voices rising in suspicion of others. He's posted, he's even had opinions about some stuff. But the town supersoft I have played with in the past pretty strongly identifies as town just by how he scumhunts - aggressive and active. And it's hard to replicate as scum because he says things that make it very obvious that he's reading the thread - all of it. There's been nothing like that and I think he should be today's lynch. ##Vote: supersoft I won't be responding to cases against me. They're wrong, I'm town, and I'm proceeding with this game as if I were confirmed town and my opinions will be viewed by all as honest free of malicious intent. If you want to lynch me, you're going to have to do it by yelling louder than me. I have nothing but time on my hands. There is no way this guy is worth a vote over johnny. I agree ss could be scum. Heck I talked about him in my nite post. But in scale of scumminess. Jonny is up here Ss is further below Plus, I mean this constructively. You said you won't be present for this cycle due to personal reasons. Are you planning to push this read? Seems like a convenient dead vote to me.... | ||
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On December 05 2013 13:51 VisceraEyes wrote: I'll look at your case on Jonny. Just give me a bit. You wanna tell me what you think about supersoft? My problem with ss is specifically his lack of anything I'm busy as fuck but still trying to push my thoughts in limited time. I think ss needs a half cycle to produce something we can analyse. As I said. He's a big boy and as town should be able to contribute without being forced by a vote. I think that will be more indicative of motive as well. Hence. Johnny is up hereand Ss down there | ||
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On December 05 2013 13:51 Oatsmaster wrote: Whats your conclusion on KP Mocsta? I dont see it. What's the point of this. Why are u trying to shit on me. I told u we have not enough info to make conclusions... Now u ask for a conclusion Pls start playing the game. I'm saying this politely of course | ||
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On December 05 2013 13:52 raynpelikoneet wrote: Mocsta i am telling you JonnyLaw will tur up town. Ok. So you think rean is better? I must say. I didn't like how he tried to prod u by referencing bttb. Felt like baiting you Is there an actual case on him? Or is the lack of anything, the actual case? | ||
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On December 05 2013 13:54 VisceraEyes wrote: This isn't constructive. This is intentionally construing my vote in a scummy way based on something I haven't even done yet. Mocsta is scum. So I pull you up on a co.pletwly valid point and u want to twist it this way. Go ahead and vote me then. It's a dead vote too ANd u know it. | ||
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On December 05 2013 13:58 Oatsmaster wrote: You want to get into a shitfight with me? Purposely? It sure sounds like that. I would rather not My lunch break is almost over. Let me know if you have something useful to say. | ||
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On December 05 2013 14:01 VisceraEyes wrote: What completely valid point is that Mocsta? Tell me. I'm in phone. Can't quote Read second post on this page and combine with inability to push. I think it's a dead vote that is going to go no where. Sue me for calling that out. Now I did mean it constructively. I think u have taken this personally and that was never the intention. Please read again whee I am coming from. | ||
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On December 05 2013 14:03 VisceraEyes wrote: You're accusing me of leaving my vote on someone and peacing out of the thread. You're accusing me of doing this BEFORE I've done this. Please tell me how that's valid Mocsta. U said u would be gone for 2 cycles. U haven't taken back the 2 cycles comment so I don't have to wait for a peace out. Johnny is a better lynch full stop. Even confirmed town prome agreed who came in with a fresh perspective. | ||
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On December 05 2013 14:06 VisceraEyes wrote: I said in the post you're criticizing that whoever wants to lynch me will have to yell louder than me. If you think I'm taking it personally, it's because you're selectively ignoring my posts and trying to make me looks scummy for it. I'm angry, and you're going to have to explain why you'd do that as town. You?? I was talking about laying a vote on ss and then potentially leaving. Johnny is where votes should be. Either you are misreading or my Utocoreect went off. I'm done here. | ||
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On December 05 2013 17:38 raynpelikoneet wrote: That's good, that's good! I really don't think JonnyLaw is scum. K, i have some time to read whilst coming home. Is everything you have on Rean in ya filter; or do you need to make a link post for my easy reading I still don't get why you think JL is town, but whatevz we can argue this one out when I get home. | ||
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JonnyLaw pls On December 05 2013 13:53 Mid or Feed wrote: Vote count: supersoft (1): VisceraEyes Rean (1): raynpelikoneet JonnyLaw (1): Mocsta Modkill zone (24): all dem playas Rean is currently set to be lynched. Voting thread is here. Please make sure all of your votes go in there, they don't count otherwise. Voting is mandatory. Day 2 ends in | ||
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On December 05 2013 19:59 Koshi wrote: I am filterdiving Prome and I just remember something from catching up. Mocsta In GoT we had less than "2 KP". I think we had 11 damage and all players had 7 HP iirc. Interesting. Thing is, half the thread hasnt commented in the 7 hrs since the lynch so hopefully when i wake up tomorrow we will be in a situation to piece it all together. That invention looks pretty stacked -- me likes | ||
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ME: On December 04 2013 01:07 Mocsta wrote: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=436086&user=JonnyLaw jonnylaw Reading his filter I'm at loggerheads. - I cant follow his reads mid Day1 - they read like checklists and with some of the reads I dont even know if the lean is town or null. - I find him to be a lot more direct/assertive during the pick phase. Coupled with the point above I find pretty scummy. - Has a read on OWB/Kush.. that is weird. On one hand he is making some effort in his filter to push it, and on the other hand I don't feel he is making an effort to strengthen his read by talking to Kush. - I do like how he plays early Day 1 with Geript/Jay. It felt like he was stopping that feud and then tried to generate discussion with the right level of assertiveness. - I also misread him earlier when I said he +1'd me. That was prob OMGUS of me. Having said that, I dont see why it is relevant to call me out for making excuses. Doesn't take it anywhere either. Overall I think he has good potential to be scum. I really want to see him push his prime read (Kush) more. + I'm not sure if knowing he is a newbie is affecting my read. CONFIRMED TOWN PROME - very similar read/outcome On December 04 2013 17:36 Promethelax wrote: Johnnylaw + Show Spoiler + Not even a name I recognize. Given that he doesn't even have a mafia database entry I'll assume he is new.. As always anyone who knows anything about the individual who can add anything metawise would be greatly appreciated. According to an old Gonzaw heuristic I'd have to call JL scum, he stopped posting while getting boozed up. You can't trust a dude who stops posting while his guard is down. Based on his early posts I'll assume Johnnylaw is a LoL convert brought over by Wave. Dude knows his LoL (and I don't, so a lot of his early posts are not in a language I speak). DINGDINGDING we have a winner folks On December 01 2013 11:18 JonnyLaw wrote: This makes no sense. There's not a lot of pressure on you because you're flipping it on everyone else. Just fucking calm down, make your arguments and wait while we gain more information as people post, vote and draft. I get that you're making people talk and that will help us down the line but for now we have little information and ten pages of personal attacks and shit posting is clogging up the whole fucking thread. Get your shit together or I'm saying you are scum or at the least, not helping the town actively. The series of personal attacks and shit posting for ten pages gave me nothing yet. I'll post again after I see what scum ban. Holy double donkey dicks. Would lynch off of this post. 1. threat 2. it was a weak threat 3 that last sentence. You know what ten pages of shitposting gives a townie? I'll give you a hint, it rhymes with bum lead. 4. the whole thing is a soft grab for town points, its a 'ooh but bad thread atmosphere is bad' post with out doing anything to fix what it complains about. Scum love to agree with something being anti town while doing nothing to prevent it. So far this post is the scummiest thing I've read in this thread. Would lynch. This post is pretty awful to (its directed at bum) On December 01 2013 13:28 JonnyLaw wrote: Warwick's not a strong first pick. + Show Spoiler + At night, you may submit the name and champion name of a player This means we need to know which champion the player has successfully picked. Why pick trynd at all? Just so you know who has tryndamere? There's not a chance in hell I'm picking that champion. I plan to contribute to winning this game. Dealing damage to people above/below me does not help us win the game. I don't even understand. Actually, I must say fuck your list. I disagree strongly with most of the conclusions. I think you're scum as is. "I don't understand, therefore you are scum" = scummy "I don't understand, I would like to understand" = townie which is the above? Oh yes, the former. Johnnylaw is not making new points of his own, is arguing for and against nothings and keeps grabbing at town points while attacking town favoured plans. Note that he argues with the usefulness of the plan but does not provide a better plan, he is tearing down not bringing up. Corollary to the Chezinu rule, the kushmasta rule. On December 03 2013 06:25 JonnyLaw wrote: Okay, I was out all day yesterday. Two hours later I've finally caught up in the thread. gtrs - I dont like how his filter reads but he hasn't really given us much to lynch him either. I know he's capable of playing better as town so either he's busy, lazy or scum. None of these qualities help us win the game. Soniv - fine for now. Looks to be making an effort to push the game towards a goal. kushmasta - Like really? This guy comes into the thread and starts calling people scum in one liners and generally shitting the place up. He replaced OWB who completely shut down and hated playing scum in NMM L. The random tooscummytobescum post irritates me as well. The rest have longer filters and I need to evaluate them. Just reading through the last 20 pages hasn't left me with other strong feelings yet. I'll be checking filters and around for a while. twenty pages of reading twenty four hours after his last thread appearance and the only kinda scummy thing he picks up on is that kush is a weird ass dude. I could have told you that for free. He also says that gtsrs is playing the game. Which is not a conclusion. Everyone can see that gt is busy/lazy/scum JL doesn't provide any insight, he says he didn't like something and follows it with nothing until VE brings it up again at which time JL +1s like a champ. He does these quick summaries of people which I can't stand, many of you know my stance on list posts without content and JL has many posts which are just one continuous contentless list. A bit of an excuse since Sandro asked him to look at those particular filters but in reality he said nothing about the four players. Conclusion rating 4.5 my qualms with a JL lynch. The kid may be so new he doesn't see what he is doing and is unsure of how to contribute in a large game, lord knows its hard. He could be throwing around dog crap posts because he simply doesn't know how to make better posts, he seems relativly involved in the thread and has intereacted with many players by name and by idea. For now he looks like my first pressure for day two but I am not yet confidant I will want to lynch him. If I had to guess most likely scum out of the players I have filtered so far I'd take JL no questions asked. ME On December 05 2013 11:59 Mocsta wrote: (3) jonnylaw is looking the goods for D2. He *STILL* isn't pushing his main read. I get hes come in and had to defend himself, but normally town brush that stuff off and then get back into scum hunting. 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On December 05 2013 20:28 raynpelikoneet wrote: I am still telling you all JonnyLaw will flip town. Rean on the other hand is incapable to even give 3 scumreads. k, im home now and willing to listen. Convince me. Even if its just look at my filter. | ||
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U asked for a case about jonny. I put it out there. All i have noticed/remembered from you regarding rean is a heap of disjointed posts. You have a big filter so its not ideal to raed through page by page just for Rean. Im saying: convince me why Rean is a better choice | ||
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On December 05 2013 20:51 Oatsmaster wrote: ?? how do you know>?huh thats interesting. Koshi cant be lying. Rayn, are you sure it blocks everything? | ||
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On December 05 2013 20:57 raynpelikoneet wrote: Fuck i just realized something. Yeah Chezinu is town and he is not lying. *is* town ?? pls share | ||
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On December 05 2013 21:03 raynpelikoneet wrote: no i won't share. i promise he is town. right.... thats helpful | ||
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On December 05 2013 20:47 raynpelikoneet wrote: Do you think scum would try to antagonise you like this?Because i can follow JonnyLaw's thought process through D1. His D0 was decent. Rean has one read. One fucking read in the game. He has interacted with his read like this: "Are you scum" "No" "You are lying". That's everything that's even close to something mafia-game related in his filter. When i call him scum he just wants answers from me. When i refuse to give them, he disappears. Like wtf is that? Why doesn't he call me scum then if he thinks i should give him answers. He doesn't talk about anything people direct towards them, just repeats "rayn answer me". Sure the stuff above *could* be scummy but the way you are portraying is more like, hes scum cos hes pissing you off, no? | ||
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On December 05 2013 22:00 raynpelikoneet wrote: Whether you have ongoing issues with me or not should be irrelevant..You are misrepresenting my case. Your case on JonnyLaw does not make him mafia because it's easy to follow his thought process and it's easy to see why he drops his kushmasta read and goes to other people. He interacts with people about relevant discussion topics (LSB - bumatlarge) and comes to a conclusion about D1 lynch. Your case is shit and ends with "noob or scum". Guess what, he's noob. Stay within the gentleman conduct: I didnt call you case shit. The predominant paragraph of your case revolves around Reans interactions with you. The first section of the case can apply to 50% of this thread. I didn't say he wasn't scum.. i merely asked you to answer the question -- which you still have not. If its not clear. I am not talking about Jonny here. I am talking about Rean. How do his actions fit a scum agenda? Are you suggesting he is a lone solider in the team and is trying to blend in and not coordinate? | ||
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On December 05 2013 22:26 sandroba wrote: I want a link to that page. Considering you were sick as balls, I'm having a hard time swallowing that you took your sweet time looking trough champs in the league database. Also I'd like to know what does you other ability do. Howdy Sandroba, Feel like talking some sense into Rayn about Jonny? | ||
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On December 05 2013 22:36 sandroba wrote: For that I would need to be sure about jonny first. I think it's time for a mass claim. Preferably from the bottom up. hmmm, Koshi point is interesting too. I might ruminate on him for a little bit. What do you think of Rayns read on Rean then? + I'm fine with a mass claim. I dunno where this position order comes from though. On December 05 2013 07:07 LSB wrote: Role Eliminated - Warwick Night 1 Positions
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On December 01 2013 12:02 Mid or Feed wrote: Draft Order: Koshi - Victor VisceraEyes - Lux jcarlsoniv - <Soft claim, cannot deal dmg> Mig - JonnyLaw - Risen - Karma geript - VT via Warwick austinmcc - Meapak_Ziphh - Sandroba - Fiora Kenpachi - <Soft claim> Rean - VT via lux justanothertownie - gtrsrs - VT via Kha'zix OdinOfPergo - VT via Karma Mocsta - VT via Fiddlestix supersoft - Oatsmaster - VT raynpelikoneet - Shen ticklishmusic - Taric Roffles - jaybrundage - | ||
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On December 05 2013 22:54 sandroba wrote: Iirc there was someone else pretty low on the list that claimed Lux -> VT too, who was that? dunno, the only one i know of is Rean (via LSB) <b>Koshi</b> You have Tl subscription. Want to do a quick searc h on lux pls | ||
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On December 01 2013 12:02 Mid or Feed wrote: [/QUOTE]Draft Order: Koshi - Victor VisceraEyes - Lux jcarlsoniv - <Soft claim, cannot deal dmg> Mig - JonnyLaw - Risen - Karma geript - VT via Warwick austinmcc - Meapak_Ziphh - Sandroba - Fiora Rean - VT via lux justanothertownie - gtrsrs - VT via Kha'zix OdinOfPergo - VT via Karma Mocsta - VT via Fiddlestix supersoft - Oatsmaster - VT via Cho raynpelikoneet - Shen ticklishmusic - Taric Roffles - jaybrundage - | ||
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On December 05 2013 22:57 kushm4sta wrote: should i claim now? You're near the bottom. Won't hurt I spose. | ||
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On December 05 2013 23:01 kushm4sta wrote: oh im the bottom of the bottom i think melee minion um i have this ability where i can move people in line or something. don't know what that means so I didn't use it. also i literally didn't do anything concerning the draft. Just got that role pmed to me. Do you know who your former slot picked? | ||
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On December 05 2013 23:07 Koshi wrote: It would be cool. I am now officially looking for the most townie VT to give him a present! Hi How may I be of assistance kind ser :_) | ||
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On December 05 2013 23:14 Koshi wrote: It will happen during night. It will be epic. Except when you are scum. Then you will die. Hi How can I be of assistance ser | ||
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On December 05 2013 23:24 kushm4sta wrote: SS is an anomaly.mz - guy's actually got a lot of ideas if you read his filter. not much else to say other than filter looked pretty townie when I glanced at it ss - seems like 3p but could be town. I don't think he's scum, or his comment on the nks (paraphrasing: scum is fucked because they didn't kill sandroba or mig) would be pretty next level mindgames. townreads on both of them. *could* be town is quite a stretch I think. He reckons he doesnt post till 3am his time.. so i suppoer thats another 10ish hours away , sigh | ||
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On December 05 2013 23:36 kushm4sta wrote: yeah i really think mig is scum. Is there a case written already? I want to read it so I dont repeat anything that has been already said. Yeah include Mig to Sandroba list and we have a good start for the 1st half of this cycle. And then we see how JL follows up too. Rean to satisfy Rayn. | ||
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On December 04 2013 10:15 austinmcc wrote: Oh, Kurumi likely town for saying BC starting people banning urgot was good because urgot's other ability likely a bus (odd thought, figuring out game, no need for scum to add that), and I think was right about MZ's potato-ness. | ||
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On December 05 2013 23:44 supersoft wrote: screw you sandroba. i am not claiming stupidly only because you say. if you think i am scum, because i was busy for the last days, i can only ignore you. i wont claim unless it's absolutely necessary or i got some results of my nightactions that might be beneficial. Are you going to keep coming here to defend your activity Or to actually do something? I'm very keen to see what/who you push today. Pls enlighten me. | ||
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On December 05 2013 23:49 sandroba wrote: He also already knew he would be voting Rean before even looking at him. He didn't even bother to check if rean was scum in the game he used for meta. He seemed to be in a rush to justify all his reads when all of them were already fabricated. All his reasoning is bullshit. Yeah, this man is scum. I was going to play devils advocate. But reading his MZ analysis, its so wishy washy. He raises some fair points - worth discussing at the least; and then just dilutes it as "not the most blatantly scummy stuff" I can get down with this. ##Unvote ##Vote: AustinMcc | ||
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WHO TOOK MY FIDDLESTIX !! | ||
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On December 06 2013 00:11 raynpelikoneet wrote: Koshi you are immune to roleblocks on N2. Hot Diggity your role is supa power Rayn. Nice pick | ||
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On December 06 2013 01:20 raynpelikoneet wrote: But tbh this is weird. Really weird. Do you guys know why? Why is this weird? You havent explained anything and LSB is next to Koshi. Anyways, stop thinking people are scum for disagreeing with you. | ||
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On December 06 2013 01:24 raynpelikoneet wrote: This... used in a certain place. Mafia place.. LOL. And in HTML on other forums. fuck you're a suspicious guy. | ||
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On December 06 2013 01:33 raynpelikoneet wrote: tbh you have done that two times now and immediatoely posted some fluff after.... <b>Rayn<b> Whats the <u>matter?</u> | ||
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On December 06 2013 01:45 jcarlsoniv wrote: You can mock him all you want, but it's a non-negligible point. well if u find it suspicious go make a case o/w its a waste of my time seriously, how is this even a point if i was in a supposed qt i wouldnt be here posting proof is in the pudding when called out about that post, i didnt even know he was referring to the <b>formatting</b> | ||
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Me likey the jonnylaw stuff. Completely on point in my opinion. Austin/JL are definitely good lynch choices for today Between those two I think Austin is a better choice for long gain (i.e. more valuable) whereas JL could be a better choice for short gain (i.e. higher in the draft order, so most likely has a decent hero) I'm going to stick with Austin as a better lynch choice for the long gain. | ||
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Consolidated Night 1 Action Post Roles in the Game - Annie Role Eliminated - Warwick, Kha’Zix Night Positional Shift Mig Moved down 1 space Night 1 Positions
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On December 06 2013 10:14 geript wrote: Moc can you give me a summary point list on why Austin is scum. I saw it come up but read it during break in class and don't remember it. Sure: (1) Really weird push of Rean where he even uses incorrect meta to push Rean and when pointed out, he still stands by the read. (2) Opposes the Bum lynch with odd analysis and suggests Rean as a suitable alternative -- Barely pushes this read. (3) Gives wishy washy analysis in general (e.g. see MZ) where he throws in points that are least worth probing for more information; and instead just casts everything as "not the most blatantly scummy stuff" --> carry on (4) There is some thoughts about KP/hero choice but its all conjecture and I wouldnt vote based on that solely. Overall: His play is pretty disjointed and it seems like he wants to come across as independent thinking, even though hes done nothing to convince anyone of his reads, nor push anything to the benefit of town. You can argue that he tried to benefit town with his read town read on bumatlarge; but realistically read the post and its hard to grasp how that was ever going to stop the wagon. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=436086¤tpage=114#2261 | ||
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On December 06 2013 11:02 geript wrote: @Moc. How do you feel about jcarl, Rayn and the lantern thing. I have a really hard time coming up with any reason why jcarl would give it to Rayn over Marv. It really makes me think they're both scum. By this I mean as a Doc you try to save the best player who's you have a strong townread on. I have a very hard time coming to a conclusion why jcarl would not give that to obv town Marv over not-obv-town Rayn. hmm, I dunno about that. Your thinking of now vs at that point in time. From PIck phase / early day1. rayn was one of the towniest guys in the thread. Marv was lazy and not interacting much. If Jcarl threw the lantern quickly into Day1 -- Rayn was a decent choice. I havent checked how long into the phase the lantern was chucked, but Im pretty sure it was within the first 24hrs. To be honest, i dont have a clue why jcarl wouldnt wait longer, but heck, maybe if i had powers I would be excited to use them too?? Overall I dont conclude from that: that they are both scum. I would treat the action as null to slight town points. | ||
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On December 06 2013 11:05 jcarlsoniv wrote: I gave it to rayn because he had announced he would protect Koshi so we could get an item out. So, I protected rayn so he didn't get role blocked. Working from the "town benefits from having our inventor make things for us" perspective, it seems like a logical course of action. Ahh that makes sense ninja'd lol | ||
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At least 3 abilities hit Koshi <1> Unknown <2> Chezinu - watcher <3> 50KP -- which I assume is a VT based on the Power values others have proposed. Why would a VT want to hit Koshi? | ||
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On December 06 2013 11:54 JonnyLaw wrote: All right. First I'll discuss mocsta hanging on my balls so hard all game that they're dragging on the ground then get into my other scum reads. I agreed early in the game that Mocsta's lurking is not helping the game. He didn't like that at all. As soon as the opportunity came Mocsta latches onto me when Sandro jumps on me. Fine, Sandro makes good cases and got bum lynched. Mocsta thinks my reason for doubting the bum lynch (he called me clearly town when had no reason to not lynch me if he's scum) is a reason to lynch me. Mocsta then jumps on the Bum wagon with the exact same logic. We can't have it both ways can we? Later Prome comes into the thread and calls me scum. Since that point Mocsta's had an obsession with lynching me. Prome dies after that and becomes a convenient martyr. I'd like to finish this point by saying <> =/ [] on tl. <> is not how you bold words on TL. That issue pops up three times in the Mocsta filter. Actually that looks like a decent face to use while gaming. Exasperated maybe? + Show Spoiler + I still think LSB is scummy. I don't know how to link to a particular post so here you go. On December 05 2013 08:03 JonnyLaw wrote: Prome your case on me cannot ignore that early game league discussion. I was discussing with Bum the best champs to pick and ban because I thought it could help us win the game. I started this game trying to see how people play. I quickly realized that with a list of 30 players a lot of which already know each other from previous games this is difficult. Take for example when I "called kush a weird dude" I was quickly jumped on by people saying that's how kush should be playing. He came into the thread threw out a couple reads and then posts one liners the rest of the game. That seems suspicious to me. If that's how he plays then fine. LSB's play this entire game leaves me suspicious of him. I know this has been discussed but bear with me here. After making this post LSB conveniently sticks to his plan of how town would play to the point of fanatacism and derailing the thread. He posts that list four times with most of his other posts only explaining why he wants to mass claim. Yeah, we get it. You made a plan and you're gonna ride that plan into the sunset. Again he mentions his SK play so it's fresh on his mind. What better defensive ability than Tryndamere's ultimate. He mentioned having a defensive ability earlier. It's been mentioned before but trynd's ultimate grants him immunity from death for a certain period of time. He's just lying here about calling bum sk. I think it was Sandroba who said that Bum came into the game much too formulaic. In four pages of filter every post LSB has made is either about claims, the champion list or policy lynching bum. Is there anything more formulaic than that? I don't think that has to be true. It's easy to use LSB's logic for picking tryndamere as scum. Eh...he's not a strong town role maybe he'll be around for me to pick it up. I don't trust LSB at all. Would lynch. Why do Rean, Onegu, Coag, Kenpachi and Gtrsr all get byes for lurking? This post is getting too long. I'll follow it up with the rest of my thoughts shortly. Gtrs gets by saying nothing of relevance for some reason. He came in and made a terrible post about soniv and talks about champions. I would lynch him as well. On d1 I was giving him the benefit of the doubt that he'd contribute but no longer. I think he's trying to slide under our radar by claiming to give us information which we can get from a quick google search or the OP if you click a link to the champ wiki. Gtr's been following Bum's soniv lynch all game and I doubt he's read much else. The claim of I'm right and helping town if you follow my lead is bull shit. i don't buy the case on austin. I think sandro's town as well. This is a key selling point in Sandro's case. Austin thinks bum and sandro are town is not enough reason to lynch him. I don't like Risen either. He's inactive and when he posts it adds nothing to the game. I dont care about your beer pong tournament. Is this another meta read like kush and chezinu? Geript you're just calling me a bad player. Not scummy. I'm not bad and stand by my reasoning. I think abilities that affect the entire game have dire consequences. That's why I went from amumu to nocturne. I stopped reading after the spoiler. Rayn.. how does this post come from town. (since you can follow his thought processes supposedly) (1) Look how he refers to me and tries to shit on me but doesnt call me scum. In fact he finishes off by wanting to lynch LSB --> *THATS* about as scummy as you can get. (2) I was advocating a JL lynch way before Prome came about -- I asked Prome to read JL. Thats a very scummy manipulation of the what happened to push his discredit agenda. (3) He is still avoiding talking about his main (? former ?) scum candidate Kush.. where'd that materialise to? Now its LSB.. lol I'm all ears. | ||
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On December 06 2013 12:14 JonnyLaw wrote: JonnyLaw,I've talked about Kush all that I want to. Do you even read my filter? I called out Kush, got shit on by a couple people because that's how he plays. I didn't realize people intentionally play like shit and post one liners that don't help town at all. That was my original complaint about rayn. Now he gets praised for having the largest filter in the game. LSB is a good lynch because he contributes nothing to the game. I will vote you as well just like I said. You're wagoning whatever is easy. I'm going to choose my words carefully, after all there is no need to convince scum that they are scum. (1) You are running a discredit campaign on me by twisting easy to prove facts. This *is* scummy (2) How are you an easy bandwagon, when experienced players like Sandroba/Rayn don't agree with the strength of my read. This is more discredit attempts (3) If you did call me scum, you went about it in the most wishy-washy softly-spoken way possible, and that *is* scummy too. All you say is you *could* lynch me. Who are you *GOING* to lynch. | ||
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On December 06 2013 12:28 OdinOfPergo wrote: I know Rayn alluded to this directly earlier, but in fairness: have you actually been pressured to be put in a situation to "shut down"?No Onegu, Whenever I am gone from the thread, I am not lurking. I am gone. This isn't me trying to discredit you in anyway btw. Everyone should read the QT from my NMM L game. Not only does it co-inside with my other 3 townie games on me having a lot of prior obligations, it will illustrate that as scum, whenever I get backed into a corner, I completely shut down. Does my game so far this time feel like that to you (Or anyone else)? I think this is a a cheap-way of deflecting pressure whether town or scum. | ||
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On December 06 2013 12:31 JonnyLaw wrote: Firstly, thanks for completely ignoring the point about running a smear campaign on me.First of all who's getting lynched is not my call. I have a vote. You think my vote is the most influential in the game? I don't. I got shit on d1 for thinking I know something about tl mafia. As I said I'll happily lynch you. You pegged me scum, jumped to bum when convenient then came back at me once bum was town and prome joined the game. I said bum might be town because his post saying im town makes no sense if he's scum. He could ride the LSB bandwagon till the end. You call me scum for that logic then post the same logic for why I am scum. You can't have it both ways. Secondly, so you are admitting to <blatant> sheep voting then? I find it unacceptable that you wont take accountability to state where you want the lynch headed. What type of frigging response is that. If you are town, a vote is meant to be your most important weapon.... I have you as scum and haven't waivered. Theres xyz scum in this game, and I was convinced on what was put out on Bum. Just like many other players, they dropped their reads to lynch Bum... why is this scummy Jonny? More smear campaign from you. | ||
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On December 06 2013 12:52 OdinOfPergo wrote: @Mocsta, I'm not sure that sayd much considering Austin is Rean's sole read this game. (I don't remember anyone else..) His reasons aren't strong, but what else could he have even claimed to do if he DIDN'T do as he claimed to do? "Hey guys, Austin is my scum read.. I totally hit xyz with 50kp for no reason" Doesn't make any sense. Why are you giving him town credit for this action when it's the only avenue he left himself? In isolation: I dont see how that action (shot + vote) allows Rean to push a scum agenda. Like i get some can argue he now has a cover story (of a read) that he can stick to and push via the vote; but by doing this, he is becoming a lone ranger in the scum team with no thread influence, and no ability to push an agenda if his team needs it. Further, I'm not actually sure he would get town cred if Austin flipped scum. Its just a really bad move overall. If the shot didnt happen with a vote, different story. | ||
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I look at you, and think you don't care about this game. Yes, you cared about the setup discussion and LoL-theme, but when it comes to the crux of what mafia is about, i find you to be lacking -- and that is pretty reliable scum tell. I would really like to see you push something this lynch. You made a post giving your position regarding myself, gtrss, LSB and ?Geript? What are you going to do about these reads/ Sit there idle, or push them? | ||
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On December 06 2013 13:04 OdinOfPergo wrote: Mocsta, What gives you the impression he is going to push his vote at all? Also, what per his day actions gives him any ability to help lead a scum agenda with his team if he is scum? The only thing I get for it is a easy out later if Austin flips town. (Not convinced of at this point but need to finished filter... Dang I should probably completely ignore the thread and do that but meh. {This is townie Odin saying he don't give a rats if it takes him 10 hours to do huehue [But seriously I will have some reads out tonight pls no lynch until I do]} Thats the point. If he is Rean is scum bussing scum austin -- SURELY, he would be making a bigger HOO-HAA about it to lap up the town cred. If Rean is scum faking a read on town austin -- I would have thought Austin is considered a threat and more KP would be on him. Its very disjointed to only have the 50KP, no? Clearly this is conjecture, but it makes sense to me. If Rean is town, I can see this set of actions making sense. Like, Im not saying Rean is town. Im just saying that this set of actions reads like a town play to me. | ||
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On December 06 2013 13:08 austinmcc wrote: This spiel was enough to keep my vote rigth where it is.austinmcc's JonnyLaw thoughts: + Show Spoiler [Alert ! Bullshit] + His D0 discussion fine. Specifically, voting amumu because yorick has plenty of votes is slightly townie. I don't personally think amumu was super strong (it's conditional, right? you have to get actioned to get anti-votes?), but still a fine role to want to ban out, and noticing that the guy you were on is 100% banned so you're trying to push another ban is townie. Continues to use his ban. Amumu not gonna be a ban, looks for new options, is compaining about rayn's posting while still reading it and digesting it. That feels mildy townie. On December 01 2013 13:28 JonnyLaw wrote: This also reads...I think townie? Sees bum's list. Is the FIRST to comment on bum's list. Has some specific reasons that show he's actually thinking --> warwick only strong with certain information, trynd doesn't help town win, etc. It's not the MOST townie minded thing, but I don't see Jonny being the FIRST response to bum's list and just blasting it. And it's not just one post, he continues the discussion. With decent reasoning.Warwick's not a strong first pick. + Show Spoiler + At night, you may submit the name and champion name of a player This means we need to know which champion the player has successfully picked. Why pick trynd at all? Just so you know who has tryndamere? There's not a chance in hell I'm picking that champion. I plan to contribute to winning this game. Dealing damage to people above/below me does not help us win the game. I don't even understand. Actually, I must say fuck your list. I disagree strongly with most of the conclusions. I think you're scum as is. On December 01 2013 15:10 JonnyLaw wrote: Look at Ziggs/twitch/eve for guaranteed damage. Then there are defensive champs for scum who already know their teammates. Warwick and trynd are just garbage imo. I like this post. Guaranteed damage good for scum. Defensive champs great because you know who you need to be protecting, can maybe stop called shots (might out yourself in doing so, etc., but it's a good thought I think). He is really fully articulating why he doesn't like bum's plan. I can see his thoughts. I think this is good. Already, I think he's town. From what he's said and the way he's said it. Comes back. Drops a few sorta reads. gtrsrs read is mush. Others are reads, if slightly vague on soniv. Very focused on those 3 for a bit. Interacts with other people only about those three. But a decent amount of posting and reasoning on them. Continues giving reads, or at least reading filters. Has clear rules that he's applying (soniv shrugging off accusations = town, whereas MZ super defensive). Gives reads when asked, and then asks WHY those people. I like that. LOLOLOLOL VOTES HIMSELF DUE TO FORMATTING. WHY IS EVERYONE SO MAD THIS GAME? SOMEONE ACCIDENTALLY SELF-VOTED AND SOMEONE CALLED EZ A GIRL. THIS IS A GOOD AND FUN GAME. I don't love the vote. He's got suspects in kush certainly, and MZ slightly. But he's down to vote Bum. He responds to the question about people jumping on bum without hesitation. I don't ... I don't love his explanation there. Bum defended Jonny and then quit under pressure. Based on Jonny saying scumbum wasn't taking the easier lynch, i think he SHOULD find bum townie, or townieish. Appears to have actually gone to look at Jaybrundage's past game in nomination. He doesn't need to do this. He's following up on things that are happening. I don't love that he doesn't push HIS lynches. But I like how his reads come about, find him generally consistent, and very much like his D0 play. His vote is the only questionable thing. It's not enough to put him scum in my book. Defense of soniv by saying gtrsrs's case is bad, doesn't mean soniv is town, but case is bad, reads funky at first glance. He was towny on soniv. Meh on gtr. I think he has legitimate points as to why he dislikes gtr's case, but he's not....I feel like he should be solidly on a soniv read here. MY READ: HE IS TOWN D0 LOOKS VERY TOWNIE. HAS REASONING BEHIND BANS, IS USING HIS VOTE FOR GOOD THINGS, IS DISCUSSING ACTUAL READS, ETC. HIS READS LOOK GENUINE WHEN THEY COME FROM HIM. CONSISTENT RULES HE'S USING TO SEPARATE TOWN/SCUM. HIS VOTE LOOKS MEH. DON'T LOVE. HIS RESPONSE TO GTRSRS CASE IS GOOD EXCEPT I THINK IT'S WONKY THAT HE'S NOT PUSHING SONIV TOWN STILL. Austin / JL scum team together. His reasoning for Jl being town is based on his D0 appraoch which is all SETUP SPECULATION on LoL THEME... ITS HARDLY ALIGNMENT INDICATIVE !!! AUSTIN ADMITS JL VOTES ARE "MEH" BUT IS WILLING TO BRUSH IT OFF. THIS READS LIKE HIS EXACT APPROACH ON MZ. LYNCH AUSTIN. | ||
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On December 06 2013 13:12 VisceraEyes wrote: As long as you arent talking about JL/Austin then yes to the fisrt part.Like, remove what you think about me and my alignment from the equation and just tell me what you think about the numbers. We saw what ONE active KP last night MAYBE? MAYBE two? So scum have to use powers on active people if they want lurk the game away. Most everyone talking just seems town to me and it sucks that we have so many people that aren't saying anything As for the second, completely. 24 hrs to lynch and 2/3 of the thread hasnt voted. Scary times when lurkers rule the thread. | ||
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On December 06 2013 13:16 VisceraEyes wrote: I'm not OK with lynched lurkers based on being lurkers.I'm saying what do you think of the IDEA? It's not a bad one right? Like, tell me if you think lynching lurkers is a bad plan. For me its more OK, because out of the contributors I see them as pretty much town. | ||
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On December 06 2013 13:20 kushm4sta wrote: ve is scum mig is scum austin is cum those are the power players on the scumteam. probably have a couple afkers/semiafkers on there as well. Did you misfire? | ||
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On December 06 2013 13:25 VisceraEyes wrote: I'm thankin marv was scum. Like I didn't wanna say it when he was in the game but he's not now and I think his slot is probably scum. Disqus. I find that unlikely. LIke me his interest in the game started slow, but once you start playing you get into it and lift the activity levels. I find that to be pretty townie. Im pretty sure in ?desert? he was scum, was bored at the start and kept that way. I suppose the only two sticklers are: (1) Scum didnt shoot him (at least Fuba hasnt mentioned any health dmg) (2) Fuba AFK Mind you with (2), Fuba is a lurker either alignment. Im willing to roll with town to be honest. Definitely not worth considering over the next couple lynches for sure. | ||
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On December 06 2013 13:35 austinmcc wrote: So you are comfortable with a policy lynch on lurkers; just not you, correct?VE your vote on me is a bad vote and you should remove it. If you are solely killing lurkers, kill a different lurker. | ||
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On December 06 2013 13:40 austinmcc wrote: hmm, i suppose thats fair.To mocsta and geript. I read Jonny and some case stuff. Please read MZ Will do it later tonight though. soz | ||
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On December 06 2013 13:58 kushm4sta wrote: @austin your mz case is incredibly weak. Part of it is you dont like his poking. This is very vague reasoning. The majority of it has to do with BLUE HUNTING. I don't think I've ever seen someone find mafia by identifying blue hunting. Yeah. It's as if Austin is saying Mz is better than this , so he's scum. Yet.. the same applies to Austin | ||
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On December 06 2013 14:07 austinmcc wrote: What am I better than? Other than activity, which I can't help right now, what parts of my posting this game have been crappy for austin (apart from the Rean meta thing, which was crappy). Any others? Your jonny read. | ||
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On December 06 2013 14:18 geript wrote: VE/Moc How do you feel about lynching Onegu? Havent paid that much attention to him Got my hands full What's the concern? | ||
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Like everyone is town on town Onegu/rean Jonny/lsb I promise I will read Mz tonight, but I'm not sold to be frank. Esp with how u backpedal on rean. The sequence of events recalls to me as I debunked u on rean, so u went to read 2. Mz | ||
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On December 06 2013 14:54 austinmcc wrote: And you can hate my reads, but I'm feeling okayish on them so far. I'm 2 for 2 on townies! Not exactly proof of my townieness! But still correct, whether you find any of my reads funny or no. See I disagree. Ok you're 2 town reads for 2 town reads. But finding town doesnt equate to finding scum -- it just narrows PoE. This is a funny way to sell that your scum reads are viable. | ||
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Lemme rephrase that OoooOOOoooo Rising Star of the nullest moon. Are you the stick: that plays with its self? Whilst on the chair, reading Mills and Boon With the pages stuck together, when put back on the shelf !! Is your champion: Fiddlesticks | ||
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On December 06 2013 15:10 Chezinu wrote: No I am not fiddlesticks. ninja'd next up the queue. prob jat took it, bastard ! | ||
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On December 06 2013 15:11 austinmcc wrote: Well, this is true.Which is why I say it's not exactly proof of my townieness. But one problem you have is that I'm calling people town. Or at least, that's what your earlier post reads like. To the extent you don't like the people I'm reading as town, IF I'm town, despite having mostly town reads, my town reads have been good this game. I do have a problem with the town read on jonny. I will admit openly that it does sway my opinino on you. Maybe im tunneled, but I put out the challenge to him (to actually do something) and hes disappeared. Its why, even though I am here, i dont really want to read into MZ until I get home and have a clear head. Will prob read you all over again. Because I do *have* to give you credit for being here and posting compared to others in the game put under pressure (e.g. jonny) etc | ||
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On December 06 2013 15:16 Chezinu wrote: Did you like my poem?+ Show Spoiler + On December 06 2013 15:14 Mocsta wrote: Lemme rephrase that OoooOOOoooo Rising Star of the nullest moon. Are you the stick: that plays with its self? Whilst on the chair, reading Mills and Boon With the pages stuck together, when put back on the shelf !! Is your champion: Fiddlesticks It actually took a really long time to figure out how to rhyme self with something meaningful. A visit to rhymezone didnt exactly help. http://www.rhymezone.com/r/rhyme.cgi?Word=self&typeofrhyme=perfect&org1=syl | ||
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On one hand you read pretty distraught - could be due to being ?drunk? on the other hand you said when pressured as scum " you break down" or something like that. | ||
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Well you said you have some qusetions for me. Ask away, maybe it will prompt some useful discourse. | ||
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On December 06 2013 15:39 Chezinu wrote: Did you just claim mafia? On December 06 2013 15:34 OdinOfPergo wrote: Also, never said I was ganna quit I just said this is abysmal play from like half the players in this game. Regardless of alignment. hmmm. I think its phrased as a figure of speech. | ||
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On December 06 2013 17:21 VisceraEyes wrote: I'm not trying to sway anything. I just want to be rid of players who are making this game impossible to play. Like I bet there will be zero inactivity modkills today. Where will we be then tomorrow with players like mkfuba and Coag and roffles and gtsrs and Risen? its ok dude! the world doesn't revolve around viscera in was talking about Austin and mz pushing lurker alternatives | ||
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On December 06 2013 17:35 VisceraEyes wrote: I'm just saying you said it as if its some malicious plot. I'm the primary propenent so naturally I assume you are including me. After all is. Jay not presently suspecting me? nah, I guess I'm not used to the lurking being this bad. its more the lurkers tahtb are posting are doing lol theme stuff so they may as well not post at all. what's jay got to do with anything? | ||
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On December 06 2013 17:38 VisceraEyes wrote: Do you get that bad feeling now Mod? Are you waiting for us to tell you if that is scummy? I haven't read the mz case in detail. but the explanation just felt ...meh yes, I think its scummy to respond that I wanted to know if I was over reading. | ||
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On December 06 2013 17:40 VisceraEyes wrote: I was providing you with reasoning for thinking you were referring to me in the post about lurkers. I know. it the world doesn't revolve around you even if u want it to be. we only have space for one yamato in this forum after all :p | ||
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On December 06 2013 17:44 VisceraEyes wrote: Ugh Moc I just don't like your tone right now. Like you are trying to pick fight with people. I hope its not intentional. I'm going to bed. Ermm it's not I just tried to make a joke instead. Night I'm off to mow the lawn. Lucky me..... | ||
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On December 06 2013 18:18 gtrsrs wrote: u know??gonna stick my vote on soniv like i intended to last night don't want you guys thinking this is a random vote without reasoning. my mind hasn't been swayed by his defense or any subsequent posts. in fact his very defensive defense felt like it affirmed my suspicions. even if soniv picked thresh, doesn't mean he's not mafia. though thresh is more of a madlife support than a poohmandu support...  i have read the entire thread and i don't feel extremely strongly about most of the cases being made. part of me thinks that this game is just town attacking town while mafia AFKs, and another part of me thinks that all the mafia is trying so desperately to not be suspicious via AFKing that they're all just bussing each other lol. i know that it lies somewhere in between, but there is sure a ton of bitching going on. by the time we have soniv lynched i hope that i'll have some more strong suspicions i can dive into chez, you sure are an interesting poster. i really like your enthusiasm and adherence to triviality. i am not in the right mindset to decipher a lot of what you've written at the moment, but i may get a chance on saturday. is there any chance you could send me some PMs with some hints? i'm not particularly clever. odin, i think you need to relax i would like to see more out of roffles. i think it's possible that when he suggested that i was shit-posting because i was pissed i didn't get a role, he was subtly referring to himself too. i'd like to reiterate what i said earlier about roffles being wayyyy too experienced a lol player to suggest that a lantern would be anything other than thresh's lantern. just curious as to why he'd try to mislead the thread in that sense. in another note, when chez claimed to be all-knowing, my mind immediately jumped to twisted fate and POSSIBLY malzahar, and i was surprised that soniv suggested nidalee's traps as offering omniscience. just a tidbit i guess. but, also strange, doran in the game is not all-knowing. he's the opposite - a simpleton. his lore says that he was kicked in the head by his donkey which is why he can't make fancy items and just makes the starting items (d-blade, d-shield, d-ring). is that what you meant by things aren't how they appear, chez? good night thread How/why?? | ||
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For the leaning town: oats, jat seem ok Interesting enough I might consider chez here too (cos once or twice he broke out of troll character to convey a point) -- might seem small, but I think only town would have a need to do that I would also include Jay Supersoft is null for me. I still dunno what he wants out of this game. I think your assessment of D3 or D4 is valid/of merit. Austin: Haven't re read that stuff yet, will do it later. Like i said, I think its worth credit that out of the lurkers under pressure - he is the only one that has given something back to the thread. I now just have to re-read to make sure that stuff isn't bullshit. Mig; Im not interested in considering for lynch. VE: Is interesting. recently everything I say he just takes it the wrong way. even when clarified. I really can't tell if this is intentional, or like you said, hes in a bad place right now -- which is of course, understandable. I dont want to lynch him today, will reserve judgement until I know who the parity check is on. | ||
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On December 06 2013 19:50 kushm4sta wrote: who is soniv?? not on playerlist JCarlsoniv | ||
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On December 06 2013 20:12 Koshi wrote: Is Risen a scum townplayer? I see him as scum just pick something that would make him look good. hmm thats a tough one. I havent seen him play scum, but I know he won an award for scum plan with bussing -- so i think he woudl work well in a scum taem. My early read on him was selfish town. For me, his vote on JCarl is in sync with that. Feel free to keep the pressure on him though. | ||
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On December 06 2013 20:44 Koshi wrote: If scum picked a healer, do you think they would be brazen enough to admit it + claim the heal?Scum probably picked a healer as well anyway. Karma has multiheal in cone form. Multiheal good for scum. Need to keep good track of all these HP/RB/etc claims for later on. So that in the end when there is lylo information can be gathered easily. | ||
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Anyways, Back to assassins creed | ||
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I mean you ahve been posting from liek 5am to 9am your time. NOice | ||
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On December 06 2013 23:03 kushm4sta wrote: just changed my mind and i have austin as town now. Interesting. I disagree actually. I'm keeping my vote on Austin Reading through his filter - He postures off Rean and rebadges reasoning I gave on why Rean could be town. On December 06 2013 14:53 austinmcc wrote: The reason I move on rean is his play since. No reads at all into just me scum always me scum always always i'm scum. If he's mafia, he's not fixing his lack of reads. If he's mafia, he might want a reason to vote me. He burns KP on me last night that they probably want to use on someone who's impacting the game. All things that make him less likely mafia. - YET: in his summary post of reads On December 06 2013 14:39 austinmcc wrote: He is posturing to auto lynch Rean after MZ. And if that fails go straight onto Roffles (even though he admits he hasnt considered Roffles)+ Show Spoiler [snip] + Google translate has an...odd interpretation of that text. I'm hopefully around for a moment tomorrow morning EST, but otherwise, this is it for me today. I'm gonna be out of town and won't be able to defend myself/post/whatever. If you kill me, I will think you guys made a bad decision, but would say: sandro, JAT, odin, rayn town. rean questionable. His tunnelledinness is wonky for scum, and wasting 50 dmg on me is also wonky. But I guess if he's mafia he has to do that, given that I'm his only read ever. Whatever. Give some more time and see how he plays. LSB probably town. See reasoning from my D1 posts, but basically he just doesn't give up. Plus all the association jazz about bum being town then scumLSB being unlikely to pick trynd is true. MZ likely mafia. If rean/MZ are NOT mafia, then roffles needs scrutinizing. Yes, he's not on my list cuz I liked/shared a lot of his reads. Yes, if they're not mafia that means I was town and wrong, and am saying he might be scummier for being wrong. But I am. Deal. + Show Spoiler [snip2] + Leaning town on Jonny, but he's very clearly been called out as ... less assertive and less sure that folks would like to see from town. It's on the record. If he doesn't read those things and try to come up with more certain scumreads, right/wrong who cares, just certain, and push them, then .... i still kinda lean town. Mocsta you can do with that what you will. Onegu isn't tripping any alarms, he just played as town in LXIII, check his Odin case against any cases he made there. Off the top of my head, it didn't look particularly different, and I don't THINK he really doubles down as mafia and keeps pushing Odin. So I'm leaning townie on him. Everybody else...don't know. This is both terrible and inconsistent with the story he is trying to sell. - I still disagree with his interpretation of Jonnys filter. i.e. the emphasis on D0 making him town. He admits several times that jonny has been extremely weak late game, yet uses this D0 to keep him town. - Regarding MZ: the core of Austin points was the interactions with Koshi. I thought MZ points made sense after a re-read and also ties in with Marvs interpretation of how it went down. I dont think MZ is town (i have him as null) but the case itself is debunked - and easily too, which indicates the lack of effort Austin put into this read/case. Basically I think Austin has set himself up to push for an easy lynch case in MZ and then uses his correct town reads to reenforce the quality of his reads. I think this is both misleading and scummy to do. Please lynch Austin. | ||
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On December 06 2013 23:29 kushm4sta wrote: the jump from this... to this... is huge misinterpretation that serves a scum agenda. hes talking about lynching MZ, and associates Rean in the same sentence. Clearly, from what I wrote above, he was stating a waivering read with Rean. How is that a misinterpretation, let alone scummy Kush. | ||
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On December 06 2013 23:36 Risen wrote: Anyone want to point me to where I started being on people's scum lists? Thought I was pretty clear town. i think it may have come from koshi not sure if he started it but I know I spokewith him about it | ||
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On December 06 2013 23:43 austinmcc wrote: hmmm. still reads as a -> b -> c to me but ok.Hi there! Rean has done SOMETHING since I posted originally about roffles. Yes? He has tunneled me for no given reason, tickled me, and continued to do nothing else. This is a thing with which I can analyze him, update my read. He looks less scummy than before. Is he a paragon of townieness? Would you LIKE to argue that he's a paragon of townieness? Cuz I don't think he is, but he has finally done One Single Thing, and it's a curious thing for mafia to do. Roffles, on the other hand, has done nothing since his D1 reads. So all I have to read Roffles off of are his D1 posts and his reads. He disliked MZ, that's still fine. He found Rean scummy. Rean was scummy. Rean COULD STILL BE scum. It's less likely than before, but it's a wee bit difficult to swap an entire read based on a dude just tunneling you and doing zero else. While he's DOING something now, it's still not really playing the game, doesn't feel like playing the game. He's just not the tip toppiest target, and if he gets 1 new read every day, soon he'll have like 3 or 4. But anyway, all I can do with Roffles right now is say that I liked his D1 reads. To the extent they're actually smelly, regardless of what I think about Rean right now, I would think Roffles is more likely to be mafia than if he's correct in his scumreads. It's not a magical attempt to lynch A after B. It's showing that I've read A, and this is my interpretation of A's filter. Like, without saying "he's kind of a dick/confrontative," what's your read on roffles and what is the most important thing he's done all game? look I get the change in stance in rean. completely acceptable. its why i was surprised u still talked a out him flipping scum. if its not a then b then c what scenario does it make sense for a riffles flip? | ||
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On December 06 2013 23:52 kushm4sta wrote: i dont know who to vote for though! my scumreads are pretty shittily researched. mocsta and mig from town to scum and you can't even explain this misrepresentation you think happened? wat the.... | ||
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On December 06 2013 23:59 kushm4sta wrote: mafia list 2.0 sandoba mocsta ss jcarl lol. now I know kush is confirmed town | ||
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On December 07 2013 00:02 Risen wrote: I swear you were just saying I was capable of crazy shenans and now you're saying VE is incapable of them. You scam bref? lol I'm saying he needs to get a check off and reassess from there I dunnon why u r talking about shennanies. Austin raised that. | ||
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On December 07 2013 00:03 kushm4sta wrote: HE didn't say anything about wanting to lynch rean/mz/ OR roffles. It was simply a statement about connections and whatnot. OFC his read is wavering on rean. Rean is behaving very anti town. And all of a sudden in your mind he is lining up lynches??? Scumaustin would know he wasn't in a position to line up shit. you are guilty of reading literally how else are those players in question going to flip? by suggesting that, it implies a sequence. | ||
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On December 07 2013 00:06 austinmcc wrote: hmmm thats actually reasonable.I don't see boatloads in roffles D1 filter. There's a small amount of reads though, and that's what there is to go on. If he's only posting about like 3-4 people, I wouldn't think he's posting about scumbuddies. And he leans decent on MZ, brings him up a bunch. MZ, jay, and gtrsrs are the folks he talks about. If MZ is mafia, I don't THINK that out of a tiny tiny subset of people, roffles brings MZ up that much and calls him scummy. Side not that, in his reasons for MZ being mafia, it's partially because people got suspicious of MZ and MZ got hostile. From a dude who...seems to be universally known as pretty hostile. That makes it seem, to me, like a legit read, because I don't think you call someone scummy for a characteristic you're known for if you're mafia? But if MZ town, then the not talking about scumbuddies argument is weaker. Rean isn't in roffles's filter, but seemed legitimately upset at roffles's kill yourself post. Just gut, that was not a scum on scum reaction, you don't even halfway try to get your scumbuddy banned. You may chew them out in QT, tell them to knock it off before you lose a scum to modkill, but I don't think you go in thread that hard half-asking for a scumbuddy to get disciplined. That's also ALL of rean's personal interaction for D1 basically, he doesn't give much, if anything, in the way of commentary on anyone else. Again, odd if scumbuddies. So I think a roffles flip makes sense if...probably neither of rean/MZ are scum. You don't immediately flip him, but there are these connections that I draw to roffles based on his filter and rean's reaction. Otherwise, his filter is pretty bare and limited in scope, he has an iffy defense of gtrsrs (doesn't give a crap cuz he didn't get kha'zix, entirely speculative but also feels maybe right), etc. TL;DR ---- Roffles's filter doesn't give me super happy thoughts. BUT I draw connections to MZ and Rean off his filter. If either of those is scum, I don't think he's likely to be scum because of the interplay between them. It's mostly that, the...negative side of things? If either of those two is scum, he's unlikely scum. If neither of them is scum, then I don't love his filter and he's lost the connections that might make him town for me. and also clarifies that summary post I held in question what do u make of mz response about koshi. he seems to be the core of all your reads. does that response change anything? | ||
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On December 07 2013 00:12 austinmcc wrote: +1 and +1 Yes mocsta, it implies I would be looking at roffles for a lynch in that case. But right now, you're speculating that, essentially, I would take a stance on D2 based on some connections, and then would just hammer it through after AT LEAST 2 flips. If rean and MZ both ever flip, and both flip town, and I post nothing but Roffles's D1 filter and say he should be lynched, then 10000% kill me. If I'm trying to railroad someone that far down the line by pointing out early stuff, sure, I'm mafia trying to set up mislynches. But holy balls. It feels like you're both speculating that I'm saying "No matter what ever happens, I'm lynching this dude if x occurs." Maybe he actually posts. Maybe he's got a champ that semi-clears him. Who knows? We'll find out later. All I can say is his posting so far doesn't do much for me, but I don't think he's mafia if either of those two are. At the very least, how do you feel about how I'm drawing connections? You okay with the logic behind why I think he's not scum if either of them are? yes the connectiions are ok as per the previous post in responded my mind doesn't work that way when discussing reads hence my misinterpretation. please continue | ||
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does the above apply because itsnscummy, ornbecause mz knows better? out of the above, I find the LSB stuff quite damning I admit. I still think the koshi stuff is ok | ||
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the point about mz dumping on koshi was actually in directed to kush??? koshi interjected I'm heavily leaning back to voting Jonny | ||
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On December 07 2013 00:29 austinmcc wrote: It applies because active and townie into do-nothing is something that I see from a lot of players that get scrutiny. You come out the gate townie, play a lot of D1 looking town, and then you start to trail off, because you really just needed the initial town reads on you. It's a piece of a pattern, where he comes out with a gtrsrs discussion case, gets some stuff rolling, is chatty and whatnot. Then he just kind of pokes around VE being town and LSB being scum, but without those same A TOWNIE IS DOING THIS feels. Then he pokes at koshi. Then he doesn't really do anything. It's not just inactivity, I can't call anyone out on that, but it's a pattern from a townie-looking start into just tailing off. I find that progression scummy in a veteran player, because I've seen it a couple times. the reason I asked if its scummy is cos half the thread went hard at the start and then tapered where this is specific to mz is that really early ve read and like u said early case on gtr hmmm so u don't buy his reasons for the early case, or you are assigning scum points due to tapering ativity? | ||
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firstly in Hogwarts u thought I was scum most of the game secondly I will reply to that tomorrow when I'm not on phone. too hard to do multi quotes. but quickly u found stuff ubdisagreee with great. none of it is explained as why its scummy or pushing scum agenda. | ||
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that gtrsrs case completely stagnated its feigned interest in the game. even being genuinely busy doesn't account for that type of follow up.. since he has posypted several times since then. I'm down with mz ##vote: mz | ||
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On December 07 2013 00:47 justanothertownie wrote: Now that's a plain lie. I did not call you scum yet. Will have to check the rest of your play for that and I don't have the time right now. isn't Hogwarts where I streamed u? u had trust issues with me all game, or am I getting confused with noir? | ||
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On December 07 2013 00:50 justanothertownie wrote: That was noir. In Hogwarts I don't remember ever having a scumread on you. syllo thought I was scum. I only became confirmed through night actions anyways, its a silly point to hold me up on as we have played two games. and o nly one unread me clearly. like I said, none of those items u raised dictate scummentality. it just means we disagree on theory fundamentals. will reply tomorrow. sleep time for me | ||
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On December 07 2013 00:51 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: austin I am genuinely confused about your case on me. You don't like the fact that I aggressively questioned koshi, that's basically it. Your entire case is based around one interaction which you seem to be willfully misinterpreting in order to call me scummy. itsna lot more than that everything u do goes no where without explaining why it's dropped e.g? gtrsrs there's more. read the past 2 pages between Austin and me too hard to type it all | ||
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On December 07 2013 00:56 justanothertownie wrote: Well I had the feeling you were pushing JL/defending Rean with bullshit reasoning which depending on their alignment may very well show scum mentality. I stand by my reasoning on jl and especially on rean even Austin who thought rean was scummy came to a similar logic outcome. but yeah I can go into more detail tomorrow. sleeping for reals now | ||
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sat day is always. busy for me. sorry dude, if u really want a response I will turn a computer on, but honestly I think it can wait? will check back in 2 to see if u want me to go on comp. o/w night | ||
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As promised: + Show Spoiler [Response] + On December 07 2013 00:38 justanothertownie wrote: So, in the last game we played together (hogwarts) I could see Mocstas thought process very easily most of the time. Now while catching up I see so many posts I disagree on it is baffling. I don't follow this. If Austin is more valuable in the long run and JL in the short one we should lynch JL based on that logic (good hero). I don't even see why austin is better in the long gain. Because Austin is a leader and coordinator and in general a highly experienced player. If both were scum; Austin would be the kill that delivers a better outcome to town *always* You can disagree, but this opinion is non-alignment indicative (1) Why would a scummer be such an idiot and attack you on easy to disprove grounds? That is not scummy in my opinion it is just dumb if you are right. (2) Many people voiced concerns about him (even Prome who was one of the most influential people in this game - you even use his case yourself). -> Easy bandwagon. (1) Scum love to run discredit campaigns. See Rayn in GoT especially. Its an easy & effective tactic that works on the sheep masses of town. Similar to why ad hominem response work so well in general. Mafia is a game of different opinions. I find this to be a scummy tell in general - I don't care if you disagree. (2) LOL. I was pushing JL long before Prome came in. I asked him to look into JL. Prome's thoughts were synonymous with my own, and he flipped CONFIRMED town. Far from an easy bandwagon. This is so wrong. Why does that look good to you? He KNOWS it would be suspicious not to do so and it is the easiest way to play along without having to do shit. I have already gone through this. I don't see how this action benefits scum in any, way, shape or form. Unless this guy is off doing his own thing and not using scums inherent advantages, this move makes zero sense to me. Even Austin who wanted to lynch Rean, agreed with this point. No, no, no. Austin was clearly not a threat to mafia and why the hell should they direct more KP at him? If he is faking a read on him + shooting him with so few dmg that's either because he wants to mislynch him (why shoot him with more KP ?) or to look better (why shoot him with more KP and confirm this wrong?). See above. We can agree to disagree. | ||
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please stop bickering. 1. rayn, if koshi is scum -- hes still got to make pro town stuff like that police radio. let's not convince town to blast kp abilities his way. it is night after all. 2. koshi, I think rayn is town. antagonising hhim about the mislynch is not going to improve our situation. we need strong players like rayn still involved in the game. hes already said hes demotivaterd. this isn't helping. as for scum. jl for his opportunistic vote on riffles yesterday that came out of left field. mz is still scum if koshi is town based on those early game interactions. I still think he should have been lynched. LSB is scum. hides behind that ability tracker list and isn't even updating it correctly. seriously, what type of townie call for a policy lynch on someone not shitting up the thread. coag has said nothing all game but has posted elsewhere. hes scum and its not his bday anymore. I'm starting to consider jay. the lurking and DAT vote on Austin..especially when mz was close to lynch I also don't like kush anymore. yesterday was not the day for big play votes. I admit this could be OMGUs so hes the lowest on my shit list. | ||
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On December 07 2013 22:58 kushm4sta wrote: @koshi yeah i agree rayn could be scum. has there been rayn spam? ^^^ not the lowest on my shitlist anymore. look at kush, any chance he gets to reverse a read. call me scum for my position in Austin but then look how long it took you to jump ships off him. if I'm scum to you, why did you follow my vote onto mz??? | ||
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On December 07 2013 23:21 kushm4sta wrote: Kush, if i *was* scum you would be the least of my concerns. Your point is debunked.hi mocsta! little scum cutie pie I want pinch your scummy cheeks. I called you scum because of your shitlogic case on austin. OK I change my mind about my scumreads alot. Why does this make me scummy? Since when is it a crime against town to change your mind. You have made massive 180's with zero justification in between. This isn't natural with strong town reads -- which is the language you yourself used to describe people like myself and rayn previously. Why did I vote MZ? I said why and I can say it again if you want. I think the question you are trying to ask is why did you vote for mz if you are scum? Well either because MZ is town or you felt threatened by my realization that you were using shitlogic, so you felt the need for a bus. One which your team easily foiled anyway. And i would like a rehash of why you voted MZ. Afterall, you think I was scum for what I said about Austin -- who when dialoguing with me never insinuated/called me scum.. You even admit prior to this that you think Austin is town. So why did you keep your vote on Austin for such a prolonged period (even when you thought he was town) and then follow by voting your scumreads scum read (i.e. copy my vote on MZ) | ||
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On December 07 2013 23:59 kushm4sta wrote: dont even tryto scumread me mocsta. i will destroy you with my towniness that shines like that sun. Chortle On December 06 2013 18:08 kushm4sta wrote: moc is not scum or i quit mafia forever Like I said before.: even Austin didn't think my interpretation of his sequence logic was scummy. Keep trying. | ||
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On December 08 2013 00:12 jcarlsoniv wrote: The amount of butthurt in this game is just sad. Hey rayn, what do you think of utilizing the Crown on some combination of lurkers? Something like Roffles/Coag/Mig If I understand the way it works correctly... If 2 are scum, then we blast a town lurker. Unfortunate, but ultimately worth the price. If 2 are town, we blast scum. If no one dies then all 3 are town or all 3 scum (the former would be more the statistically more likely case). Order is important with the crown I thought. lemme chase up post logic to confirm. | ||
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On December 05 2013 19:10 Koshi wrote: Please type in the thread: ##Baby: Player X ##Mother: Player Y ##Mother: Player Z There will be a parity cop check done. In case X & Y have the same alignment and X & Z have a different alignment. Player Z will die. In case X & Y have a different alignment and X & Z have a different alignment. Player Y will die. In case the result of the parity copcheck X & Z and X & Y are the same (either both same or different) nothing will happen. On December 05 2013 19:47 Koshi wrote: There are more option than that obviously and not all information is gathered instant. But over time this check would be quite strong. I just hope hosts didn't change too much about how the item works. X=Town Y=Town Z=Town Nothing happens X=Scum Y=Town Z=Town Nothing happens X=Town Y=Scum Z=Town Y will die X=Town Y=Town Z=Scum Z will die On December 05 2013 19:50 Koshi wrote: Order doesnt matterAh wait. I copy pasted a mistake. I fixed this to the hosts in a next message so the item should work properly. I forgot I made that mistake. In case X & Y have a different alignment and X & Z have the same alignment. Player Y will die. The point of the item is to have baby go to his same alignement mother and the different alignment mother to be executed. My bad. | ||
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On December 08 2013 02:33 Koshi wrote: No seriously guys. Who is the towniest VT? {Kush, Rean, gtrsrs, Mocsta, Oats, jaybrundage} all all known VTs. My suggestion: Go with *your* gut. It is your power after all. If you had to ask me: Out of that list I would probably only consider Oats or myself personally -- maybe gtrsrs Kush - I think is scum Rean - Doesnt give a shit about the game gtrsrs - Might give a shit about the game if has a hero. Waste of a power I think though Oats - Seems town Jaybrundage - Suspicious votes / lurky | ||
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On December 08 2013 02:46 Rean wrote: Do you think that, given an item with such a powerful ability, I'd just not use it or something? Nah, I already lean town on you, so you being a hero doesn't affect my read on you. The point being that if you became a hero I don't think you would do anything more to drive the thread towards a successful lynch. Evident by your delurk to this post :p | ||
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On December 08 2013 02:55 Rean wrote: Well, it is great in theory that you would sacrifice yourself. However, to be frank: I don't even know who two of your scum reads are.I don't quite follow. Does it matter how much I'd do to have people lynched afterwards? All that matters is it ends in the hands of a townie. Since the item use is entirely public anyone could follow up on what happens. For what it's worth, if I had it I'd use it like: baby = scumread, mother x = me, mother y = scumread. In that case, if I die both are scum, if I was wrong about baby mother Y will die, if I was wrong about mother y or even both no-one dies. There is one thing to establish your townieness -- which many would argue you *haven't* done. It is another to successfully find scum. However, I thought there are two separate occurrences here. #1 = Viktor power --> VT is given a second chance champion pick #2 = Invention (Baby Machine) I assume #1 and #2 can be given out independently. | ||
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On December 08 2013 03:04 Koshi wrote: Close but not yet there Mocsta. Baby machine is the solomon thingo and needs a day to setup. and this cycle you pushing out the police radio thingo | ||
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On December 08 2013 15:30 Coagulation wrote: Kush is like the only one on the ball taking names making reads and calling shots for town. And he just admitted he has absolutely no fucking clue what hes talking about. This town is so completely fucked on so many levels. Nuke kush, jonny or Mz Preferably kush | ||
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U r rehashing the reasoning I used to call u scum. As for your retort. U r jumping to worst case conclusions to support your story. Rubbish accusations all over and u don't even follow with a vote. Hi kush ##vote: tushmasta | ||
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On December 08 2013 17:02 kushm4sta wrote: mocsta can you be more specific with your attack on me/ defense on yourself. Why is what I am saying wrong? Who gives a fuck if I haven't voted yet?? Why would it make me scum to not vote you yet?? Obvious I am not going to vote you if I can't convince anyone you are scum. Lol So u k ow u can't convince anyone but continue to discredit me Great town contribution there kush Our difference I think Jl is scum, but peeps aren't biting. So I'm still figuring out the remaining team. As for your other qs. I will get back to u when I'm home | ||
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On December 08 2013 18:44 raynpelikoneet wrote: Koshi why did you not invent the police radio? Everything you have done this game has gone south, is there any explanation for that? hhmmm it is indeed odd the babybthing was one time and didn't work plus who was given the vt upgrade?? | ||
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On December 08 2013 18:44 kushm4sta wrote: this is so dumbbecause i think it's really hard to make that shit up. He could be scum I suppose, but I doubt he is lying about the power. hes a lurker that as town at least posts about nothing. here he just posts nothing instead claims to nuke someone, nuke is announced on someone else and then gives reasoning for that lol..... maybe its true, maybe its bullshit given that I thought he was scum, I lean to bullshit. I find it highly amusing that you position yourself as scum motivation extraordinarie when all you have done this game isnflip flop on strong town reads, and treat claims from suspicious ppl as gospel. you are scum kush. scum protecting ya scum buddy coag. coat even said it before? people not suspicious of him are probably scum. <---- I'm looking at you, kush | ||
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On December 09 2013 02:27 sandroba wrote: We should only waste dmg on coag if we can guarantee he ends up dead. I don't think town can add up to 1k day damage, so we shouldn't shoot coag and just lynch him. Yes, I agree with this. My internet has been spotty for the past day, and I dont think I will have anything @ work today. i.e. Im not sure on my ability to post over the next 24 hrs. I think this is the best lynch for this cycle ##Unvote ##Vote: Coag Im still suspicious of JL for doing nothing Kush for taking Coags claim at face value etc | ||
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On December 09 2013 10:44 JonnyLaw wrote: WTF does this even mean.Claiming my role isn't going to help us yet. Coag's disruption warrants a lynch. I don't see any town motivation for coming in and nuking someone then not really commenting. Koshi's town. Can we drop it? I don't know if he normally plays this distantly from the game but I feel like he's trying to stay alive to get strong inventions out. The first one had a lot of potential. rayn, kush and ss all play comfortably. Too comfortably for scum. I lean town on all three. I'm reading a couple filters then will be back with scum reads. "Too comfortably for scum" Explain NOW. | ||
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On December 08 2013 16:41 Coagulation wrote: I had to pick 2 people and when i sent the action in pm and the first one to post after gets nuked Picked mkfuba07 cause he wasnt here and meap cause i wanted to kill him. I was pressuring meap cause I wanted him to post back but he left as soon as I did it and mkfuba07 posted right fucking after with like the worst fucking timing in the world. This makes zero fucking sense On December 08 2013 15:40 Coagulation wrote: ##Nuke Meapak_Ziphh FOR FREEDOM On December 08 2013 15:40 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: + Show Spoiler + On December 08 2013 15:40 Coagulation wrote: ##Nuke Meapak_Ziphh FOR FREEDOM Wow really? fuck you coag this is such bullshit. On December 08 2013 15:49 mkfuba07 wrote: + Show Spoiler + OK, I apparently suck at explaining things. To be more clear: Crown of Solomon May only be used at night, must be used the night I obtained it, is one-shot Three players are selected: Player X Player Y Player Z Two parity checks are made, and we are not made aware of the results. if X and Y are "same", and X and Z are "different", then Z dies if X and Y are "different", and X and Z are "same", then Y dies If both parity checks come back with the same result, then X dies What happened last night: I submitted X: mkfuba, Y:Koshi, Z: MZ I then received a message saying that the item didn't activate. None of the three died. Based on this, I don't see how we can draw a conclusion other than "for some reason, the crown didn't go off". On December 08 2013 15:50 Mid or Feed wrote: A giant muddafuckin' bomb has been spotted flying towards mkfuba07! Again for the goldfish memory On December 08 2013 16:41 Coagulation wrote: I had to pick 2 people and when i sent the action in pm and the first one to post after gets nuked #1 - As Koshi pointed out. It was semi-reasonable for Coag to nuke MZ, given that MZ was requesting KP on Coag. #2 - MZ was a reasonable nuke choice based on him being under suspicion by several townies. I think this is exactly why you specified MZ was the nuke choice in thread. #3 - If you had to PM the action, *WHY* declare a nuke on MZ in the first place.. If one of them had to talk.. why not ask them a question, and then once they are responding - PM the host. That way you guarantee the right nuke selection. #4 - (WIFOM) But I would think its safe to assume the nuke PM went through approximately when the thread action was declared. It is clear, MZ was the only poster around this time. In fact, Fuba previous post to that was 3hrs prior. Thus, for Coag to *not* be bullshitting, Coag had to submit the thread action @ 15:40; and PM it @ 15:42 ( = MZ last post). I find this unlikely. Normal action is PM first, then thread. I have no idea why Coag would fake a nuke claim on MZ, and then nuke openly Fuba. I can only assume for now it will be explained by the role PM. But its clear the process behind the nuke is total bullshit & deceptive ==> scum usage vs town usage. Further my two association reads: #1 On December 09 2013 10:44 JonnyLaw wrote: See how distant is he talking about this. Its great he see's no town motivation; but this doesnt explain why he see's no motivation.*snip* Coag's disruption warrants a lynch. I don't see any town motivation for coming in and nuking someone then not really commenting. *snip* This is just echoing thread sentiment. Pls Lynch #2 On December 08 2013 14:48 Coagulation wrote: So scum isnt really interested in pushing the coag mislynch wagon now that he gots a nuke.. is that what im picking up here? On December 08 2013 15:30 Coagulation wrote: Coag who has nothing in his filter suddenly feels the need to give Kush some praise?Kush is like the only one on the ball taking names making reads and calling shots for town. And he just admitted he has absolutely no fucking clue what hes talking about. This town is so completely fucked on so many levels. On December 08 2013 14:54 kushm4sta wrote: Coags post is completely non-alignment indicative. And Kush is giving the stupidest reason possible to treat this post as alignment indicative (i.e. lack of respect --> which is far from a quantitative method).coag is town. that's what the last two posts tell me. actually a really nonscum post. I imagine it would be pretty hard for scumcoag to come up with an idea like this. On December 08 2013 18:43 Mocsta wrote: kush why are you treating coags claim as gospel. On December 08 2013 18:44 kushm4sta wrote: Again, poor/weak reasoning to give Coag a town lean; and then leaves himself a backdoor to vote Coag.because i think it's really hard to make that shit up. He could be scum I suppose, but I doubt he is lying about the power. Pls lynch | ||
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On December 09 2013 11:12 LSB wrote: Its better than perpetuating out-of-date list actions.Can we please stop being so aggressive? Multiple people have pointed out that the atmosphere is horrible for any sort of town play, and I'd really wish we'd stop perpetuating it. Let me know when you decide to be useful. | ||
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On December 09 2013 11:17 JonnyLaw wrote: And hey mocsta why you so angry? Anytime something is posted you have to jump on it if you don't agree. You getting a bit nervous? Nope? Your in my top 3 scum reads. Its called pressure. If I'm being offensive, let me know and I can try tone it down a dial. Works pretty stressful this time of year, so maybe its carrying through - dunno. | ||
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On December 09 2013 01:56 sandroba wrote: mocsta/lsb jumping on kush early on in the day looks terrible btw. This is wrong. We can all early vote Coag resulting in the thread grinding to a halt. Now is the time to pressure other people to maximise the benefit of day cycle play. You *know* this Sandroba. If Coag flips scum; Kush is scum for sure. (along with JL) | ||
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Can't say anyone has told me that before We can deal with this next cycle. | ||
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U see the truth. Activity needs to pick up though There's more scum than just coag, Jl and kush. Where da dua is Jay hiding... | ||
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On December 09 2013 22:32 raynpelikoneet wrote: Actually, if someone used 1 kp on sandroba and sandroba would have used his power, we would have seen that dude take 1 kp and could assume sandroba used his power and that dude is mafia. So supersoft, why are you talking bullshit? fair call, but this assumes sandroba didn't use his powder night 1 fiora only reflects one power. if more than one, its RNG. I.e. sandriba could have used power night 1 and wasnt attacked night 2. hence no reflection of a Lt of wifom here. sandriba can clarify whenever hes around | ||
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I'm kinda lost with your koshi read. is it purely to do with the inventions not stacking up to description? | ||
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do u think risen is scum, or simply telling rayn to be cautious? I'm really struggling with what you tried to achieve with that post. | ||
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On December 09 2013 23:09 raynpelikoneet wrote: Mocsta i am talking about the fact that Koshi is saying his ROLEPOWER does not do what the OP says. That can't be anything but a lie. hhmmmm I do find it odd that the invention failed to work. and I thought the hp check was meant to be the cop results imngonna check his nposition on bum and Austin. brb | ||
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On December 09 2013 23:15 raynpelikoneet wrote: I read this as you are suggesting you know supersoft is mafia. Why did you wrote the bolded part? I think kush is scum but in fairness, he was referring to him cuddling up to you with koshi. hes saying koshi is scum, there's others out there | ||
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I'm still sussing out koshi filter on lynches. his draft phase is pretty null ss. maybe we can use to our advantage. he said he can rb someone. let's get him to rb a scum read win win can all claim DMG and confirm ifn he is lying or not.kush. I could def lynch today. him plus coag gotta flip scum, but kush would be more fun to see squirm. muahahha | ||
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On December 06 2013 02:02 Koshi wrote: I think supersoft might be scum but I cannot make a case yet against him. I got something half assed made but it isn't good enough. rayn if ss is scum like u think. this looks pretty bad. especially that in the subsequent post he gives ss a full town read. so far pretty unimpressed with day1 from koshi. its either inventor talk or tunneling kurumi. | ||
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no idea why he joined that wagon mz stuff day2 is ok, cos can be lumped as omgus overall, hes doing nothing and not delivering on inventions. I'm gonna sleep on this. on one hand, the above is pretty scummy -- his whole play this game has been to buy time it seems on the other hand, coags claim *is* scummy. I'm now considering the value of lynching coag who has used his power. vs. a lower quality read with much higher reward... surely coag doesn't have infinite nukes, otherwise he would a used them by now. I'm thinking coag is a safer lynch plus will strongly implicate kush as scum. lastly, rest of townie really needs to start contributing. there is. no clear picture on the lynch due to lack of votes and that is worrying. its hard to pressure with out threat of lynch being imminent. please speak up peepz | ||
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On December 09 2013 23:54 kushm4sta wrote: Now I will quit mafia forever if you are town, no backsies on that one. Rayne an inconclusive read does not make someone scum lol, u couldn't back off before either. DW every game someone whether town or scum LOVEs to tunnel me. this game its u. enjoy finding a new hobby. | ||
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On December 09 2013 23:59 kushm4sta wrote: Not being able to think like town. I didn't realise ver was smurfining in this game.... another fine contribution kush. | ||
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On December 10 2013 09:12 gtrsrs wrote: GTRSRS,my time is scarce atm i find coagulation's actions quite strange this game feels over to me anyway ##vote: coagulation I hope you read this. The game is not over. Not even 5 people have died. Everyone needs to keep reading and posting thoughts. If you're time is scarce, perhaps i can save you time by pointing you in the direction of people I find scummy. In exchange, you share your open thoughts about these people. This helps us get a solid read on you, and makes your life easier when you are time poor. If town, this is a Win-Win. So my major shit list: {Kush, Jonnylaw} My minor shit list: {LSB + 1 of (Jay/VE) + 1 of (Koshi/MZ)} | ||
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On December 10 2013 07:19 LSB wrote: This is a bad post.The problem is coag is likely to do this simply because he is a bored townie. And coag is likely to do this because he is mafia and has the balls to try. I can't tell, but I wouldn't be surprised if he flips town. It reads to me like he doesn't actually *want* to vote Coag, but *wants* to ride thread sentiment. I just do not read any conviction in this. On December 10 2013 07:16 kushm4sta wrote: COAG IS NOT MAFIA. Think about his story. It is impossible to make up a lie like that as quickly as he did. On December 10 2013 07:24 sandroba wrote: Alright man, I'm back to killing you at night. Hallelujah. Kush is in a bind, he tried to get Coag off the noose early in the cycle and now has to stick with his story after I called him out on having a back door. Plz lynch with fire. On December 10 2013 07:52 justanothertownie wrote: In Noir, I actually gave Kush a town read later on cos he was playing identical to Smurf (something somebody else also picked up).+ Show Spoiler + I remembered something: From TL Noir (Kush was scum there): On September 21 2013 11:02 kushm4sta wrote: please ban both of these people. sick of people not following the rules On September 22 2013 00:04 kushm4sta wrote: oh yeah i remember i did try to have you modkilled. maybe it's because i just dont like you? This game: On December 08 2013 13:14 kushm4sta wrote: you should actually be modkilled for that if its a second time On December 08 2013 13:53 kushm4sta wrote: this guy needs a modkill. editing your posts twice is ridiculous. Just sayin... Why didn't you bring that up btw. Mocsta? Thanks for reminding me about this though. This just adds icing to the cake that is scum Kush. | ||
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On December 10 2013 10:44 Roffles wrote: Pretty much anyone who unvoted and hopped onto Coag (Soniv/Kush) are scum. Made their case, couldn't get it. Abandon ship and jump onto someone who's 100% about to get lynched. Says the last man on an 19man wagon... Why is this scummier than jumping on the wagon in the last hour with zero contributions all cycle when almost lynched last cycle? | ||
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C'mon guys, perk up we just nailed some sweet red blood. | ||
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Awesome Did someone RB coag? | ||
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On December 09 2013 02:17 Mid or Feed wrote: Host correction: HP Changes (totals): Chezinu 900 damage ticklishmusic 749 damage Risen 325 damage + Show Spoiler + Mig 50 damage VisceraEyes 50 damage raynpelikoneet 100 damage Coagulation 50 damage OK, so Coag had 250KP that I assume was used 2 nights in a row; as I believe this nuke would be his d3/n3 action. From the reported dmg D1: it is possible he attacked VE (who *claims* to have taken 250KP after heal). THis was the only reported damge >250KP. (Aside from Promes death) Via the list check: it is possible Chezinu/ticklish were shot by Coag. Dunno why they would not follow through with VE to be honest if he was town. I think a vet parity cop >> new healer --> especially when the parity selections were not revealed. Need to think about this some more. | ||
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On December 10 2013 12:03 Mid or Feed wrote: The bomb then bounces off of that player onto another random player and does 50 KP. Basically this gets us no where now with searching for a scum VT shot between Night 1 to Night 2. | ||
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so according to the sign up list, the nuke splashed onto: LSB Koshi Fuba JAT Sandroba I think its very likely, Fuba, JAT, Sandroba are town. I think its likely to some degree that LSB + Koshi are scum. Conspiracy Theory ALERT It is natural to assume scum won't hurt their own; hence all are town. This is exacerbated by the nuking of sandroba + Fuba. However, consider the over dramisation Coag went through. He created a spectacle, when it appears he could just have PM'd the host (its ambiguous but reads to me that way). So why do this?? Two of the biggest issues this cycle were the failure of the Crown invention (not explained) + VE failed parity check (explained by jcarlsoniv box) I am thinking that the invention was always going to fail and this was a rouse to give koshi town cred due to taking on splash dmg. Coag was barely posting and was going to come under heat this cycle regardless, so scum came up with a plan to best use coags abilities to shit up thread discussion. I think this is more plausible than Coag didnt want to nuke MZ because MZ is scum. If this was the case: just PM the nuke and stay anonymous. I dont see how this action satisfies any scum agenda. | ||
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On December 10 2013 12:33 Mig wrote: Mz - n1 I got 825 back as my result. N-2 I got nothing back so my shot did not hit you. Either it was stopped or you were protected. coag didnt have to post in the thread so seems he was just being a monkey. Does anyone have the updated sign up list? Need to see who else is going to take damage. ohhh. i didnt realise the sign up list was changing. hmmmm have to rethink my conspiracy then. Actually I just checked a post I made Night 1 which had the sign up list. Whats on the OP is slightly different (because you and i swapped positions) ??? Bsically I believe wats on the OP is the *latest* sign up sheet. Thus what I wrote about about splash dmg holds. I suppose those 5 ppl can confirm the dmg anyways. | ||
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Did you get off any of your hero powers Night 2? If so, you couldnt have been RB'd !!! | ||
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Thanks, OK This is at least starting to come together. Gonna go ponder Look at the HP changes post I don't think we have enough KP to finish off anyone worthwhile over 1 night. People Im happy to kill that have dmg: LSB, People like VE/Koshi I think are better off lynching - as how they fight back will help confirm their alignment. Even if we focus fire LSB, I think we get like a max of 400-ish KP? (including VTs). I suppose this could work if town commit to shooting him over 2 nights. | ||
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Seriously... On December 05 2013 22:42 Mocsta wrote: [*]Oatsmaster - Cho'Gath ->VT | ||
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On December 10 2013 14:38 mkfuba07 wrote: Does anyone have a list of changes to the player list? Only 1 i noticed was Mig/Me swapping after night 1. Not sure if anythign happened night 2. | ||
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On December 10 2013 17:58 raynpelikoneet wrote: Let's lynch supersoft next. He still knows too much. Kush first | ||
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But I think this is dumb. Flavour is not alignment | ||
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Jeez Koshi. Which vt did u upgrade last night? | ||
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On December 10 2013 18:57 kushm4sta wrote: @koshi if im being honest with myself the only scumread i have is mocsta. dont expect that to change anytime soon because im hella busy today. Are u going to modkill out of titanic to prove u will quit mafia when proven wrong.... | ||
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On December 10 2013 18:53 kushm4sta wrote: koshi why are you the shittiest inventor ever Scum hunting contribution of the thread goes to this post.... | ||
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On December 10 2013 19:01 kushm4sta wrote: this post makes it seem like you think im town yet you are adamant about me being scum. hmmm.. Clutching... I have no idea your alignment in titanic. Clearly I was referring to you quitting mafia if I'm mafia. How r u still pushing coag wasn't lying lol.... The role pm explains the nuke mechanic | ||
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On December 10 2013 19:06 kushm4sta wrote: yup mocsta i caught you in a scumslip That's what she said. | ||
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On December 10 2013 19:32 kushm4sta wrote: Let me reiterate why this is a scumslip. If I am scum, which is what mocsta is pushing, then I would not be wrong. I'd just be lying. The idea of me being wrong assumes that I am town. Eh? U said if I'm mafia this game u r quitting It doesn't matter whether wrong or lying. Proven wrong is to the thread.. This slip u mention is the dumbest argument I have ever heard. Rayn, stop being a retard | ||
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On December 10 2013 21:00 kushm4sta wrote: Took you 2 hours to come up with this? Why would I modkill myself from titanic if I was lying about it? 2 hrs, I havent been home. whats it to you. OMG, im banging my head on the wall. Obviously the wit is non-existent with you. | ||
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On December 10 2013 23:17 raynpelikoneet wrote: jcarl why didn't i get a lantern? Why do you need one? Dont u alraedy get half dmg? | ||
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On December 11 2013 00:36 raynpelikoneet wrote: jcarl i hope you gave lantern to VE because that's the towniest thing you can do and it's also the only thing you should have done. Thats also assuming its reuseable - sigh | ||
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On December 11 2013 00:40 Koshi wrote: My first item was pretty cool if it had been inthread activated. But like I said hosts changed it and I only knew they had done "slight modifications". If I had known they would make it a night action I would have thought twice giving it to marv. Sad story. I can't make dayvig guns so don't hope for that. I could make a new detective item but I won't. You shall see tomorrow. You won't be impressed. But it's not bad. ehh???? On December 04 2013 17:44 Koshi wrote: Here is the list of items that I sent to the hosts yesterday. Most of them are approved with slight adjustments (read nerfs). My intention was that all these were really items that you hold till the end of the game, some items with passive benefits and then items you have to activate and with a 1/2/3/4 turn CD. But hosts don't want that. If you think you like one of these items let me know and you might get selected. yay! + Show Spoiler + 1. Gem of True Sight The holder is notified everytime somebody visits him. 2. Eul's Scepter of Divinity Puts a cyclone under somebody his ass. Protecting him from any damage and RBs him (Jailer) 3. Dust of Appearance Shows all visitors that visited you or the 2 players around you on the player list. (2 uses) 4. Aegis of the Immortal Revives you when you die with half hp and without debuffs. 5. Ring of Protection Reduces any damage done to you by 50% 6. Dagon lvl 5 Insta gibs somebody. (dayvig gun) 7. Scythe of Vyse Turns your target into a sheep, rbing him. 8. Armlet of Mordiggian Doubles your HP when activated. But you lose 200 HP each cycle. 9. Refresher Orb When activated you can use your night action 2 times in the same night. 10. Urn of Shadows Heal target player for 333 hp each cycle for 5 cycles, if target takes damage it loses the healing buff the next cycle. This item starts with 2 charges and each time a scummer dies you get +1 charge. 11. Mekanism Heals you and the 2 players around you on the player list for 500 hp. 12. Skull Basher Damages target player for 500 damage and also stunning target player. (RB) 13. Talisman of Evasion You have 50% chance to evade all incoming damage. 14. Black King Bar Makes you immune to spells, but not mafia night kp. 15. Ghost Scepter Makes you immune to mafia night kp, but spells do double damage. 16. Shadow Blade When activated you are you immune from damage/spells for 1 turn unless dust is used on you. Or you visit the player that is holding a gem. 17. Pipe of Insight You and the 2 people around you on the player list have a protection shield around you that protects them from maximum 500 damage. Tonight I will look for some more normal items. Like a dayvig dual gun. I would like to make that as well. " Most of them are approved with slight adjustments (read nerfs)." + 6. Dagon lvl 5 Insta gibs somebody. (dayvig gun) | ||
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On December 11 2013 00:48 LSB wrote: @@ Sandroba Attn plz I looked through Sandroba's filter and I don't think I see that he claimed any current HP to suggest the damage (and he also assumes that ticklemusic was shot with something else), and it seems like mafia KP works as an overkill, so I am inclined not to assume that he shot sandroba. Explain: and it seems like mafia KP works as an overkill, Further, this is dumb LSB (even for you) " and I don't think I see that he claimed any current HP to suggest the damage " If the dmg was reflected, OF COURSE, sandroba would not have been hit for dmg.... | ||
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*I* have been pushing for a JL lynch since Day fucking One, and everyone disses it -- even when a flipped townie came to the same conclusion as me. Like fuck this. My case on JL hasn't changed because hes done *NOTHING* since. The case simply can not evolve; and now suddenly you guys want to shoot him. don't get me wrong, *PLEASE SHOOT/LYNCH HIM* but this is fucking frustrating. In my opinion: The real question should be: With towns limited KP, who do we want to lynch next cycle. Because there is zero value to shooting someone to 50% and then lynching them.... Thus, to shoot JL we need a solid alternative to consider lynching next cycle. e.g. Kush or LSB So either Shoot JL and lynch 1 of {Kush, LSB} or Shoot 1 of {Kush, LSB} and lynch JL I prefer lynching JL, because I am very confident he is scum. So I advocate shooting someone like LSB --> because he is of higher value to scum as a hero than a VT Kush | ||
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On December 11 2013 10:09 ticklishmusic wrote: no, we want to stick with the original plan of focusing one scum member i think... yes, but i got a PM stating i couldnt ult and use my normal ability at once when i tried. i'm sure host would have told us if you can only use item or ability. besides, didnt whoever pop the ambulance radio use their ability as well? This is dumb if thats the guy you want to lynch. This is my point... I want *Jonny* lynched And theres zero value to lynching him if he is shot tonight. | ||
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On December 11 2013 10:34 Mig wrote: Mocsta you say you don't wont the town to all shoot JL. Who do you propose gets focused then? I proposed kush or lsb as suitable targets. Lsb is more valuable as he isn't a vt. | ||
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On December 11 2013 10:39 Mig wrote: I see your point rayn. I just disagree with your conclusion that shooting mz would prove he was town or scum. I can also shooting someone like JL see his hp and town will know how much is needed to potentially kill him. Hhmmmm.. I forgot about the hp check If I recall correctly. Jl took dmg night 1.. so maybe it's best to focus him as he's already softened. | ||
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On December 11 2013 10:42 mkfuba07 wrote: Mocsta: You think everyone targeting a single person during the night is a good idea? Typically no. As if the target is town, scum could add minimal kp to get an easy kill. Based on towns kp total, we need more consolidation though.not necessarily everyone, but enough so we don't get ppl like risen on 325hp changes etc | ||
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I took 150dmg | ||
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What does this invention do? | ||
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On December 11 2013 11:52 Mig wrote: I hit JL he only has 225 hp left. Sweet. Should be able to clean him up easily next night. | ||
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The other kills make sense to me based on hero value and dmg taken. Rean, no idea | ||
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Ticklish: >101 dmg (down 749/850) VE: > 700 dmg (down 300/1000) Fuba: > 450dmg (down 400/850) Rean: ??? Mocsta: 150 dmg JL: 500 dmg (250 from sandroba; 250 from ?Mig?) MZ/Rean/Roffles/LSB: 75dmg (from sandroba) JAT: KP --> ??? SS What roles did you get from the teleport? Oatsmaster supersoft jaybrundage | ||
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Ticklish: >101 dmg (down 749/850) VE: > 700 dmg (down 300/1000) Fuba: > 450dmg (down 400/850) Rean: ??? Mocsta: 150 dmg JL: 500 dmg (250 from sandroba; 125 from Mig, 125 from ?Fuba?) MZ: 150dmg (may have 75 from sandroba) MZ/Rean/Roffles/LSB: 75dmg (from sandroba) JAT: KP --> ??? | ||
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Damn you marv for not only stealing my hero, but not getting my crumbs ! | ||
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On December 11 2013 12:42 jaybrundage wrote: Oh and I forgot the reason I didn't get hurt by VE (said it EDIT checks* BS T_T) and I was saddened to see that TF wasted his ult on me was because I was protected last night with thresh's lantern. I clicked it :D EBWODP Wait a sec.. you got the lantern? Why the fuck would jcarl give you the lantern of all people? I thought he said it was going to SS? | ||
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LOL Even if I was put at gun point and forced to even consider the notion that you are town, we get the following: On December 10 2013 19:19 kushm4sta wrote: anyone else seeing the light on this mocsta thing? after i found him out 95% of his posts turn to shitposts. His entire posting style changed. Read his filter plz. If you were town: this post is the definition of confirmation biased. You could argue your interpretation of my filter changed as context in the game developed. But, this never happens. Because you are scum: this post is the definition of a discredit campaign. Because again, you shit on my name and provide nothing to back it up other than weak arguments that have been easily refuted. Yelling out something is a "scum slip"; does not make it a "scum slip". So I get to the simple solution (1) You are scum --> I am right about you, JL, LSB (2) I assume: I was shot with remaining scum KP (hopefully this will be confirmed by dmg claims) I'm done with this. JL can be finished with KP. You're next. ##Vote: TushMasta-b8r | ||
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Do you agree your case hinges on MZ being scum? | ||
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On December 11 2013 13:07 sandroba wrote: @mocsta slow down. LSB does have a point and we need to sort out this JC->JB deal. I dont get the lantern thing either because Im sure JC said he had to chuck it during day cycle as well (which is why he gave it to rayn day1) | ||
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On December 11 2013 13:09 gtrsrs wrote: tank minion rolls on down mid lane, taking no damage, giving no damns (that's me i'm the tank minion and i didn't take damage last night) Matey, You said you were short on time, so I suggested I pass on scummy reads for you to filter. Still up for that deal? If so, can you please have a read of Kush + JayBrundage (and LSB if you have time0 | ||
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On December 11 2013 13:08 Mocsta wrote: @LSB Do you agree your case hinges on MZ being scum? hmm re-read it. The position is interesting actually even though I still think its association based. Some of that stuff is hard to imagine a townie taking such a strong position for an unflipped player (i.e. JayB regarding MZ) | ||
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On December 11 2013 13:55 Risen wrote: I took 25dmg!!!! D: R u still lovers with rayn? My initial thought is he taunted 50kp??? | ||
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I would use it if given to me The issue here is why it was even given to Jay of all ppl. Jcarl was clearly here in the thread... He thwarted the Ve check Now he thwarted the ss check, it seems Jcarl is whom needs to do the explaining. | ||
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And what does it do | ||
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On December 11 2013 16:54 jaybrundage wrote: We shouldn't be asking Koshi to reveal who he gave the item too. Just makes it easier for scum to stop it or disrupt it. Even telling us what the item does is unnecessary. While we are all curious the information will be revealed when it needs to be revealed. Giving scum free info and know who to roleblock ect ect. Isn't helping town at all. Lol So to confirm The name of the invention is...koshi is an innocent child It's not a mod announcement on your allignment? | ||
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Did u take dmg? | ||
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On December 11 2013 17:17 Koshi wrote: Ok. I misread that it seems. wtf. Worst name 2k13. Damned. But u choose the name....? | ||
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On one hand I want kush lynchedon the other I want to know what's going on with this Carl lantern crap Sigh. Thread is at a standstill. This really needs to be resolved asap Koshi, Why so secretive about the invention? U haven't been this way with the others? I don't care who has it. I just want to why it's going to help us. Considering I was shot over u, I think this information is pertinent. | ||
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On December 11 2013 17:46 Koshi wrote: Meh, I could just say it but crown get fucked in ass because I said something. So let's just wait. Fact it that pushing scum today will be more rewarding. But u aren't pushing anything? The Carl situation aside, where are u on kush. | ||
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Whilst I think it's highly unlikely scum would choose the same first number for obvious tactical reasons.. I wouldn't call someone town due to double picks either. Regardless I think with 300pages scum is definitely present I.e. sure, if u want to reduce candidates to filter, this might work... But I dont think it's worthwhile scumhunting solely off these type of theories, if at all. | ||
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Where da Fark is jcarl though... Guess American time so hopefully we get something in 4 to 6 hrs | ||
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On December 11 2013 19:52 raynpelikoneet wrote: So we got either hit by 325 dmg or Risen is lying. If there is a VT who hit us please claim. 325?? | ||
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I thought if you taunt someone, you redirect their action to you @ 50% + I thought you + RIsen were some sort of lovers? Looks like to me, you taunted 50KP out of someone, and it lover reflected to Risen? | ||
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On December 11 2013 20:03 raynpelikoneet wrote: Risen's mason makes every ability that targets either of us to target both of us. He says he has shielded us. The shield absorbs 300 damage. That means we should both have been healed for 300 dmg. We both took 25 dmg. 1) one of us was hit by 325 dmg 2) Risen did not shield us and i taunted someone who can do 50 dmg while they claim they can't (2) is more likely. Ahh I see. Disregard my last post. Gonna restart my comp, and then re-read this all again carefully. If what you say lines up, yes, we have an instant lynch. | ||
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On December 11 2013 20:08 raynpelikoneet wrote: Well i taunted you Mocsta. I thought you said you can't do dmg so wassup? I can't do dmg that is a guarantee and is easily resolved by Mig doing a HP check on me. | ||
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On December 11 2013 20:12 raynpelikoneet wrote: Well better start coming up with something that could have hit us for 325 then. Heres some options: (A) I''m not lying. As already mentioned *I* was hit for 150dmg so I am sitting at 1000hp. Mig can easily do a HP check on me to verify I have >850hp (B) Why do I need to guess what hits for 325HP? I mean, JAT hasn't claimed his dmg yet; and we don't even know the limit of factional KP. This is a stupid question that promotes zero discussion (C) Its safe to assume scum hit sandroba with 1KP; thus, why can't they hit you with 25kp? (D) I could be lying about being a caster VT; and if so, what purpose does this carry if i was scum? I could easily claim caster, and then be all pro-town by hitting people town asked me to. I literaly cannot do anything. (E) You are bullshitting you taunted me. If you did, I would have expected you to auto assume I hit you with 50kp instead of voting Risen. Frankly. I have no idea why you have 25kp dmg, all i know is that I was not he source of it. | ||
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On December 11 2013 20:26 raynpelikoneet wrote: Seems like a nice guise "to go" from 1k hp vanilla to ... hmm... VANILLA THAT CAN DO DMG! /dunked Dunked by what? Who writes 1.15k...this is stupid even for your standards. | ||
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On December 11 2013 20:28 raynpelikoneet wrote: pfft, now you are just being intentionally goading.Risen has not interacted with his scumbuddies very well, or he did not believe me when i told him i will taunt Mocsta, or something. I do not believe we were hit for 325 kp, because if Risen is town he has no reason to lie about shielding us and hitting us is a waste of dmg that can be used otherwise. Risen must be lying and Mocsta's story is fishy as fuck. Why would scum hit him last night? I have *solely* been pushing for JL + Kush pretty much all game. Im a fuckn VT and was shot over a whole bunch of people - pretty much says my reads are spot on. Fishy as fuck.. lol.. you may as well have a smoke and re-read because there is no wobbling in what I am saying. I have no fuckn abilitiy; let alone 50kp casting. I don't care if you taunted me, I am not responsible for the dmg on you. | ||
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On December 11 2013 20:34 raynpelikoneet wrote: But Mocsta, i find it incredibly funny that NOW you want to do a HP-check when it concerns you. Last night when we could have found out MZ's alignment you had nothing to say about the HP-check. Funny guy. I didnt ask to be HP checked. I said its easily resolved by a HP check. I would rather town KP go to jonny, but whatevz. | ||
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On December 11 2013 22:08 Koshi wrote: Risen protected supersoft because the town asked so and then Risen asked his scumteam to do 25 damage to rayn to incriminate Mocsta. ez life. Also, where is my item? Kush is off the hook ##unvote##vote: risen | ||
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On December 11 2013 23:19 kushm4sta wrote: huh? that doesn't seem like it proves he is mafia at all. explain for a huge dummy who has no idea what is going on rayne... why do last nights actions prove risen is mafia? Scum slipscum slip Jat I'm fine shooting Jl. U will burn your night action but we get a scum. So good trade off. As for double lynch I'm fine with it Kush plus lsb For da win | ||
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Yes. Double lynch pls | ||
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I suppose it allows us to clear the air . So couple strats. 1. Lynch 2 best reads 2. Lynch 1 good read and 1 50/50 3. Lynch 1 good read and 1 lurker I actually like the idea of #3. We should still hit scum with our best read abd then get to clean some of the crap from town with the lurker vote. | ||
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On December 11 2013 23:52 Mig wrote: Mocsta what are you talking about. How about we lynch the 2 people we think are most likely to be scum. Theres still a lot of deadweight in this game. e.g. gtrsrs, roffles, onegu, oats, jaybrudage Do you really want to take a risk with these guys @ MYLO? or have a go now whilst there is breathing space? This is the age-old question asked every game. In a single lynch, yes, we must go with best read. With double lynch, we have more flexibility to "purge" the town. I am comfortable voting my 2 strongest reads; but I think its a smarter decision to hit a lurker that realistically won't improve their contributions between now and end-game. Rayn, I do not know what Risen did with his power just telling you what he said. A lot is going to depend on if JL flips scum. If he flips scum then you know that if Risen were mafia he could have shielded him and didn't. So if that happens then I am inclined to believe Risen was just being a retard. umm... i disagree.It was clear the town plan was to shoot JL. Any intervention would have (1) ensured JL death -- which is OK if he was town (2) put undue pressure on Risen, because how else would KP on JL be mitigated? | ||
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On December 11 2013 23:59 Mig wrote: We had no idea what JL's hp was. How exactly would you have known that Risen shielded JL if he did? umm. his HP could only be between say 800-950HP realistically based on KP hero flips. 850 was a safe estimate. We already knew he took dmg Night 1, so was around the 750HP mark. Town had the potential to stack at least 300kp on him. A shield of 300, leaves his hp @ 750... pretty clear something suspicious occurred. | ||
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On December 11 2013 23:57 Koshi wrote: 4 townies dieing. Did somebody already count out how much damage that was? Because people might have been using ulties to kill stuff. Its difficult because some roles have unknown side effects. e.g. fuba role + ziggs bomb bounce. | ||
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On December 12 2013 00:11 raynpelikoneet wrote: Let's lynch Mig and Risen. I'm pretty sure mig isn't scum. I'm finding his points to be cautionary rather than misleading. So I have no problems that he disagrees. I'm fine with Risen For #2, Kush is my preference. Could change depending on jcarl - thats really fucked up. | ||
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On December 12 2013 00:54 Risen wrote: Lol so the consensus you all came to was that I have six abilities? I dont follow? | ||
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On December 12 2013 01:10 Risen wrote: Why are you asking this? Didn't you taunt someone? So don't you know who dealt us the 25? Read the thread dude. Apparently he taunted me. I have no ability. This wriggling from you is not making your situation look any better. | ||
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On December 12 2013 01:18 Risen wrote: And I'm not wriggling,I was going through rayn's filter. Why am I more likely to be lying than Mocsta? Why is forgetting to submit my night action impossible? Its not impossible, but its convenient. Why would you go through Rayns filter before reading the thread.. especially as you are posting commentary now. Further, if you were truly going through Rayns filter, you would notice him pushing me about taunting me. We did not share 1 post about the topic - that is easily missed. | ||
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On December 12 2013 01:19 Risen wrote: Especially since you felt strongly enough about mocsta scum to taunt him. I'm asking why rayn isn't thinking of all these things and instead tunneling onto me. It's hurtful :/ Rayn thinks Im scum every game. Nothing new. Hes just gonna have to suck eggs after this JL flip. DW Rayn, I still think ya town | ||
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On December 12 2013 01:22 Risen wrote: Well I read the last two pages, saw rayn calling me a liar and clicked filter looking for where things went wrong :/ Apparently all these things I'm asking have already been responded to. Will read when I have time to maybe. Whilst that type of response is reasonable.. I would also say its shitting up the thread - since as you noticed, its been discussed, in detail. I wasn't expecting an answer on the derivation of the 25kp from you; but, overall, I find this response lackluster and desperate. off to bed now anyways. | ||
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My scum reads are voting for my scum reads... sigh | ||
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Im tossing up between {Kush, LSB, MZ, Risen} for my vote today. My preference is probably Kush + LSB/ MZ Between LSB/MZ, I am factoring in that MZ has been shot a couple times -> So might be worth finishing off with KP. Will double check this later. The rest of my pile of shit group is: gtrsrs, roffles, onegu, Jay is kinda hovering in/out. Somethings I really dont like, something I think are too hard to emulate as scum. Be back later. | ||
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On December 12 2013 11:25 kushm4sta wrote: mocsta my one and only scumread! It's double lynch. At least have the courtesy to also vote yourself | ||
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On December 12 2013 11:31 Mig wrote: Mocsta who do you think is the mafia rber? Probably Kush. LOL @ "I didnt pick a hero". We have zero way to know if he is VT either. The other option is, one of the guys who hasnt fully claimed. so onegu, MZ, roffles. Considering onegu/mz claimed their hero, and the power 1 descriptions dont mention RB. Im inclined to assume its Roffles. | ||
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On December 12 2013 11:43 Mig wrote: jcarl/mocsta what do you think about MZ's claimed second power? I k ow nothing of lol But compared to other flips the kp dmg is more in line with a first power Even lux with an awesome first power had. More powerful second power, kp wise. It does smell bogus. | ||
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On December 12 2013 11:45 Mig wrote: Coag replaced in after kush and he managed to pick a hero. I am not saying for sure that kush is lying but not like he replaced in 5 minutes before a pick was required. In fairness Picks coulda carried from former slot as well. | ||
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On December 12 2013 12:01 kushm4sta wrote: roffles is the only one left who has played lol... he is our greatest asset. And gtrandjcarl? | ||
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On December 12 2013 12:14 Mig wrote: Any concerns about coag/JL both voting roffles day2 sand? I would check but on phone. Was roffles vote leader when votes on, or just peace out votes? | ||
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On December 12 2013 13:51 LSB wrote: Is coag really that bad to simply fire a nuke for no real reason? He always has a reason for doing something strange. This is Wifom Injection at its finest. How about this reversal. Coag fired the nuke at Mz/fuba so u could make this argument in his death.... | ||
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On December 12 2013 13:57 LSB wrote: Coag was barely under any suspicion at the time. People only started voting him after he fired the nuke http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=436086¤tpage=246#4916 For the lazy reader. Correct. For the astutde reader, actually paying attention to the game. Coag was already being suspected leading up to the day post due to his constant absence | ||
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Explain why they didn't hammer Austin then either? | ||
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On December 12 2013 14:50 Oatsmaster wrote: Sandro is super bad as scum, he has no thread impact at all and he is a lurker. At least, thats what I think. And none of the 'vets' called him scum either so yeah. This aligns with what I have been told in the past about a town/scum Sandroba. | ||
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On December 12 2013 09:45 Mocsta wrote: Im tossing up between {Kush, LSB, MZ, Risen} for my vote today. Vote (1): Kush - On December 08 2013 19:19 kushm4sta wrote: Guy was campaigning to save Coag using faulty logic and just enough wishy-washyness to allow him to move his vote as required.*snip* Coag leans town. that is not gospel. That is a light read. What is IMO gospel is that he is not making up that nuke claim. I doubt scum coag is creative enough to pull that shit out of his ass. Tush never talks about JL except for a very bizarre spoiled post: On December 03 2013 06:51 kushm4sta wrote: This itself is a very awkward exchange and reads quite forced to me.@JL Hi I don't know exactly what I did to you but you are coming off as super angry with me, on a PERSONAL level. Like you don't like "my vibe" you said. I am really sorry if I have acted in a way that offended you. If you are more specific with what you don't like about me, I will try to change it. Kush then proceeds to list him as a scum read *ONLY* when hes become a popular choice; never commenting that I have been gunning for JL since Day dot (and as I am Kush's prime scum read, this should have occured) Vote (2): Between LSB, MZ, Risen Risen - Has JK power, so may have been a source of scum RB --> again, protecting JL was too obvious a move I think That aside, his contributions have been weak (which is probably a slight town lean for Risen) However, I don't understand why Rayn thought Risen is town from the mason logs. Its all Rayn saying "XYZ" and Risen saying "+1". Very rarely, if at all, does Risen contribute first. (which i think is a scum lean for anyone). Overall, Im pretty confused on Risen. I really would expect a scum Risen to be more vocal in general. If the team is full of "JL" though, hes probably demoralised?? I would think leave this guy alone till later. MZ - This ult thing is funny & i'm sick of him only coming into the thread when under pressure. Very similar attitude to jonny regarding thread input. I would seriously consider him as my second vote. But I can't get over the austin/roffles/MZ 3-way. In my head, all 3 horses were pretty even. If MZ is scum; I dont see why they wouldnt jump on Austin vs Roffles. This reads to me like they didnt care who was lynched, they just wanted an easy peace-out vote. LSB - Doesn't give a shit about the game. This is clear - its all token effort. Doesnt even follow up on his night action summaries - which was his only useful contribution. I just can't think of a pro for LSB in general. ##Vote: Kush ##Vote: LSB | ||
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I had a chance to look into the votes, actually, nothing as conclusive as I had hoped. Mainly that LSB had a similar peace-out vote to Coag/JL -- but we already knew he was scum. I must add that Mig did a good job explaning to non-LoL people this thing about ults. I thought before his power was too weak, but this discrepancy in ults is damning I think. I am confident he's lying about his ult; which is not necessarily scummy. The problem is that as a top lynch cnadidate, he should be coming clean. That he is not, suggests he is trying to intentionally withhold information --> which now *is* scummy. ##Vote: MZ ##Vote: LSB | ||
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So far: Coag, JL, MZ, Onegu were all hardcore lurkers so filter diving shouldnt be too difficult. Everyone should do this! Regarding Votes: Day 1 On December 04 2013 11:38 Mid or Feed wrote: VisceraEyes (0): geript (2): Meapak_Zipph (0): jcarlsoniv (0): gtrsrs (1): Kurumi, Kurumi (0): bumatlarge (16): LSB, sandroba, marvellosity, Mig, kushm4sta (0): LSB (4): Mocsta (0): JonnyLaw (1): Oatsmaster (0): ticklishmusic (0): jaybrundage (4): kushm4sta, geript, Mocsta, OdinOfPergo Rean (1): austinmcc Modkill zone (1): StorrZerg Day 2 On December 07 2013 12:01 Mid or Feed wrote: supersoft (0): Rean (0): JonnyLaw (0): austinmcc (9): Rean, OdinOfPergo (1): Onegu Koshi (0): kushm4sta (0): ticklishmusic (0): jcarlsoniv (2): Chezinu (0): Meapak_Zipph (8): austinmcc, Mocsta, Roffles (6): Oatsmaster, Roffles, Risen (0): VisceraEyes (0): Mig (0): LSB (0): Modkill zone (1): OdinOfPergo, Day 3 On December 10 2013 10:55 Mid or Feed wrote: Meapak_Zipph (1): Koshi, Coagulation (19): Onegu, kushm4sta (1): Koshi (2): jaybrundage (0): supersoft (0): Modkill zone (0): Day 4 On December 13 2013 12:00 Mid or Feed wrote: Meapak_Ziphh (10): Risen, LSB, Roffles, sandroba, Mig, supersoft, Koshi, jcarlsoniv, justanothertownie, Mocsta jaybrundage (3): LSB, kushm4sta (0): LSB (11): Oatsmaster, Meapak_Ziphh, jaybrundage, Roffles, kushm4sta, sandroba, raynpelikoneet, Risen, Mig, jcarlsoniv, Mocsta Risen (1): gtrsrs (1): Koshi (0): Roffles (2): Oatsmaster, Meapak_Zipph Mocsta (1): kushm4sta Onegu (1): raynpelikoneet Modkill zone (2): gtrsrs, Onegu, | ||
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(1) This team is comfortable bussing/sacrificing. e.g. Onegu being the first vote on Coag. (2) I find it odd Risen votes JL Day1 and then "forgets" about him. Even in the mason QT http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=436086¤tpage=316#6312 (in ?D2?) Risen doesn't mention JL as a scum read until Rayn brings him up. raynpelikoneet Yeah. I think JonnyLaw is scum for what i said in thread. It makes no sense to me that he has changed his read on me and kush. What do you think of it? Risen I think he's scum for not pressuring me harder and trying to blend his soft push. So we're in agreement on that front. I don't know if he's my top scum read, though. Before: I am still working off LSB/jcarl scum reads. They might be outdated, but I've tunneled fairly hard onto them and I didn't see anything yesterday to sway me that much off them. (3) Kush has long periods of time defending flipped scum (Coag, MZ, JL) come to mind immediately. Even with Onegu, when calling him out he inserts "?maybe" But then look at the voting record: Day 1 - Jay (unknown) Day 2 - MZ Day 3 - Coag Day 4 - MZ + LSB On December 08 2013 19:20 raynpelikoneet wrote: ##Vote: Coagulation On December 08 2013 19:20 kushm4sta wrote: rayn why?? do you agree with me that he's not lying about the nuke? On December 10 2013 07:16 kushm4sta wrote: COAG IS NOT MAFIA. Think about his story. It is impossible to make up a lie like that as quickly as he did. On December 05 2013 02:54 kushm4sta wrote: nvm i read mz's filter and the dude is confirmed town imo. On December 06 2013 12:39 kushm4sta wrote: ##vote austin On December 06 2013 13:58 kushm4sta wrote: @austin your mz case is incredibly weak. Part of it is you dont like his poking. This is very vague reasoning. The majority of it has to do with BLUE HUNTING. I don't think I've ever seen someone find mafia by identifying blue hunting. On December 07 2013 23:54 kushm4sta wrote: I didn't have my voteon austin for that long. I was deciding who else to vote for. Dat shit logic. Voted for mz because it was between Austin and mz and I thought austin was hella town. | ||
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On December 13 2013 14:38 Risen wrote: Any conclusions mocsta? Or are you waiting for other people's. Go fuck yaself. Im barely finding time to post as it is; why don't you do something for once. Anyways, look above. | ||
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(2) Sandroba is so bad this game I dunno what I think of him anymore. Will wait for his "argument" before finalising my conclusion. (3) Koshi, me very disappointed in you. I sitll think your interactions with MZ make you town though. (4) ##Vote: JayBrundage Hes clearly trying to throw shit onto anything that sticks, and at this point in the game I find that very scummy when survival is paramount. | ||
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For those questioning my activity levels. Unfortunately its going to be like this till about Wednesday. We are heading into Xmas break, and last week a bunch of ppl got laid off. Job >>> Mafia. | ||
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On December 16 2013 09:42 Koshi wrote: I think Risen is a 50/50.Mocsta, please nail scum with Mocsta wisdom. We are lacking wisdom in this thread. I also got you as town hut many dont. We need you. On one hand: his play ties in with the selfish-mentality a lot of town players exhibit. On the other hand: his play is a solid method to hide behind actions that clearly benefit scum agenda. Mig was a solid scum hit. Influential; was starting to give a shit about the game again; and at this stage of the game: was unlikely to be lynched. A highly valuable NK. It really comes down to the WIFOM: Did Risen intentionally not shield Mig; or was Mig valuable enough as a scalp to shoot Mig regardless? Further, if we assume Sandroba is town: why a shielded Mig >> unshielded sandroba? The reason I endorse a Risen lynch (over JayB) is because the WIFOM above can't be answered and is going to continuously hang over his head. If he is town, scum will never shoot him with that type of doubt. I dont want to even consider going into MYLO with someone with those skeletons. ---- My top 2 leads are JayB + Kush. This is irrespective of how Risen flips. Kush, is like a crow just cawing in the background "Mocsta" but doing absolutely nothing to make it happen. JayB, is like a vulture just hovering about looking for a carcasse to feed on --> someone else killed the prey already --> still doing absolutely nothing to make it happen. ---- My unlynchables: JAT, Koshi, rayn, SS My should be towns: jcarl, oats, sandroba My leftovers: Kush, Roffles, Risen, JayB | ||
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I just checked and he never responded to my findings below: [----]On December 13 2013 14:41 Mocsta wrote: (2) I find it odd Risen votes JL Day1 and then "forgets" about him. Even in the mason QT http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=436086¤tpage=316#6312 (in ?D2?) Risen doesn't mention JL as a scum read until Rayn brings him up. raynpelikoneet Yeah. I think JonnyLaw is scum for what i said in thread. It makes no sense to me that he has changed his read on me and kush. What do you think of it? Risen I think he's scum for not pressuring me harder and trying to blend his soft push. So we're in agreement on that front. I don't know if he's my top scum read, though. Before: I am still working off LSB/jcarl scum reads. They might be outdated, but I've tunneled fairly hard onto them and I didn't see anything yesterday to sway me that much off them. [----] | ||
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On December 16 2013 11:01 jaybrundage wrote: Mocsta talk to me why you lied about your HP Is this even a question? And if by some chance it is, but are you aiming to achieve with this phrasing. Further, I have never shied away discussing this item. The answer s are in my filter. Have you actually bothered to look? It's ironic that in a post you quoted me, I even explained why it's stupid to think I am a caster vt. | ||
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1.15k is too much effort on phone. Frankly if I was a hero with 850hp. I would write 1k as well. Now. This really has no bearing on the game. As others have duly noted. The only reason scum would genuinely lie is to fake not being a caster for a miserly 50kp.... And as I said before. As a scum vt caster. It would be much better for me to claim it and hit town nominated targets. I get town cred and soak up zero responsibility. | ||
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On December 16 2013 21:33 kushm4sta wrote: that doesn't count because he buddied me and it worked. plus i voted for him anyway which confirms that my townread on him wasn't that strong. Or u bussed the fuck out of him once it was clear he was getting lynched. | ||
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This is my reads update post-flip. On December 16 2013 10:24 Mocsta wrote: My unlynchables: JAT, Koshi, rayn, SS 2-3 scum in this group: oats, jcarl, sandroba, Kush, JayB | ||
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On December 16 2013 21:37 jcarlsoniv wrote: Well that was a lame flip something something blind squirrels and nuts That went over my head. | ||
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On December 16 2013 21:56 Koshi wrote: Teemo shrooms do 100 damage each turn. Are we something with that information? I remember Risen/rayn getting 100 each on N2. Nothing more. If you had to pick 3. Which ones? We kinda can use some reasoning. JayB - has stepped up his activity nearer mylo; but is rehashing bad arguments to lynch people and is jumping too quickly which indicates lack of conviction --> scum survival mode Kush - has done nothing all game except call me scum, yet doesnt vote me until his buddy jayb lays a vote. I disagree with that read of him, especially due to that list reads you quoted. Town reads are easy to throw out, and kush hasnt done anything more than that. For the third, im least certain on Sandroba. I dislike how he tried to throw shit on me the night before and when it didnt stick - backtracked. For now, im willing to believe this was due to his low activity in the game and he was speaking in haste. Between Jcarl/Oats. Oats is pretty unmemorable this game which isnt a good sign. On the other hand, he opposed the MZ lynch pretty vehemently at a time when MZ was clearly getting lynched. Scum have *Zero* incentive to put themselves under this type of pressure. Oats hasnt had much activity in his other game either, so Im inclined to consider him the town between him and jcarl. Jcarl's lantern play sounded pretty town in theory, but then.. hes never been shot to prove it either.... I still dont get why he boxed when VE checked him.. mainly because, if VE rejected his lantern its pretty clear VE was suspicious of him and could have parity checked him. This along with the Oats PoE is enough to make me stick with a {JayB, Kush, JCarl} team. I am not fussed between JayB/Kush who goes first. | ||
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Any scum can scream "XYZ" is scum. But yes, Im more than willing to hear you out on the remainder of your team. Surely it cant be "mocsta" + "mocsta" + "mocsta" | ||
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On December 16 2013 22:32 kushm4sta wrote: maybe its koshi? never seen him play scum Koshi is pretty sneaky.. but.. the way MZ went after him I think was real; and the way Koshi went after MZ was definitely real. Koshi is pretty much my strongest read along with JAT. | ||
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On December 16 2013 22:33 kushm4sta wrote: Is there a lol bitch who can make copies of himself?? Cause that is probably who mocsta picked. mocsta+mocsta+mocsta scumteam. game solved. that actually made me laugh tush. | ||
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hahah*just kids* do what you want :0 | ||
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On December 16 2013 23:24 kushm4sta wrote: are we seriously not killing mocsta next?? Koshi... and this is guy is because? Man, i dealt with enough of this crap in BttB. Lemme guess, next Kush is going to say I was bussing JL; even though my reasoning and mindset was similar to that of Prome before he even joined the game.. yeah next level scum play there... | ||
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On December 16 2013 23:39 kushm4sta wrote: you weren't really busing JL. I never actually remember you pushing him (maybe in like 1 post in the beginning of the game lol). All I remember is you trying to get credit for the push, like right now. pfft. half my filter is pushing JL everytime he posted. Ppl like rayn shut me down instantly. I never gloated when JL was lynched, so piss off with claiming town cred. Its called a reminder of good play. | ||
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On December 16 2013 23:58 kushm4sta wrote: Mocsta, I present to you the sum total of your case on JL before prome: This took you 15minutes... This took me 2minutes. On December 04 2013 01:07 Mocsta wrote: jonnylaw First off, I think he "stole" my hero - so I might be prejudiced. Reading his filter I'm at loggerheads. - I cant follow his reads mid Day1 - they read like checklists and with some of the reads I dont even know if the lean is town or null. - I find him to be a lot more direct/assertive during the pick phase. Coupled with the point above I find pretty scummy. - Has a read on OWB/Kush.. that is weird. On one hand he is making some effort in his filter to push it, and on the other hand I don't feel he is making an effort to strengthen his read by talking to Kush. - I do like how he plays early Day 1 with Geript/Jay. It felt like he was stopping that feud and then tried to generate discussion with the right level of assertiveness. - I also misread him earlier when I said he +1'd me. That was prob OMGUS of me. Having said that, I dont see why it is relevant to call me out for making excuses. Doesn't take it anywhere either. Overall I think he has good potential to be scum. I really want to see him push his prime read (Kush) more. + I'm not sure if knowing he is a newbie is affecting my read. On December 04 2013 14:23 Mocsta wrote: jonny + Kush Jonny is interesting. His reason for thinking bum is town, was cos bum called him town. I think this is pretty weak. Further, I havent seen him try to develop his read on Kush (which was meant to be his prime target). I still think there is potential here, thoughts? On December 05 2013 11:59 Mocsta wrote: (3) jonnylaw is looking the goods for D2. He *STILL* isn't pushing his main read. I get hes come in and had to defend himself, but normally town brush that stuff off and then get back into scum hunting. Please lynch On December 05 2013 12:48 Mocsta wrote: (3) Please join me onto jonnylaw He was one of Promes (confirmed town) best reads ; and his read was congruent with my own thoughts. Lets do this !! On December 05 2013 13:48 Mocsta wrote: Two. Why is no one joining me on jonny??? And theres more.... Nice filter diving Kush. We can definitely rely on your abilities to pull through a successful (mis)lynch. | ||
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#1 stealth hits + #2 50% HP dmg which then becomes a shield I don't bus voluntarily, full-stop. #1 look how pissed I was when I got bussed by you in our newbie game..... #2 look how pissed I was when i got bussed by Grack in LXIII /night | ||
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On December 17 2013 20:12 kushm4sta wrote: mocsta very active elsewhere on the forum. big case against him here ignores us cause he knows he lost already lol. this is stupid There is a complete different level of commitment required to respond to a behaviour thread than an ongoing game. If you notice, i was only active there for a 30min period of time. I read Sandroba case and its weak beanz. Will respond to it later when I have time. | ||
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On December 17 2013 22:14 jcarlsoniv wrote: lol hence "does the wolf cackle at midnight?" =P I don't think there's any other protection role than me now (correct if I'm wrong pls). I'm really surprised neither Koshi or myself are dead (maybe cuz Koshi's inventions haven't actually done anything yet lol) - my conclusion is that either the scum team is retarded or we're getting played somehow. Or option 3....one or more of you aint town.... | ||
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On December 16 2013 22:13 Mocsta wrote: JayB - has stepped up his activity nearer mylo; but is rehashing bad arguments to lynch people and is jumping too quickly which indicates lack of conviction --> scum survival mode Kush - has done nothing all game except call me scum, yet doesnt vote me until his buddy jayb lays a vote. I disagree with that read of him, especially due to that list reads you quoted. Town reads are easy to throw out, and kush hasnt done anything more than that. For the third, im least certain on Sandroba. I dislike how he tried to throw shit on me the night before and when it didnt stick - backtracked. For now, im willing to believe this was due to his low activity in the game and he was speaking in haste. Between Jcarl/Oats. Oats is pretty unmemorable this game which isnt a good sign. On the other hand, he opposed the MZ lynch pretty vehemently at a time when MZ was clearly getting lynched. Scum have *Zero* incentive to put themselves under this type of pressure. Oats hasnt had much activity in his other game either, so Im inclined to consider him the town between him and jcarl. Jcarl's lantern play sounded pretty town in theory, but then.. hes never been shot to prove it either.... I still dont get why he boxed when VE checked him.. mainly because, if VE rejected his lantern its pretty clear VE was suspicious of him and could have parity checked him. This along with the Oats PoE is enough to make me stick with a {JayB, Kush, JCarl} team. I am not fussed between JayB/Kush who goes first. | ||
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Sandroba case is pretty confirmation biased//bad//miscontrued but I have to believe he is town or this game is really fucked up. | ||
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On December 17 2013 22:40 justanothertownie wrote: I think they did. Rayn took some dmg here and there and 900 is still a good amount of HP. I concur. I had a town read on Koshi anyways, so its not odd hes taken dmg. From what I have seen: a few of us have been hit for lowish dmg quantities. I suspect scum are hedging their bets by lowering the pool of hp down in general. | ||
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On December 17 2013 22:48 raynpelikoneet wrote: I really do think Mocsta is scum. Nothing new Rayn. When do you ever think I am town. I'm fucking over this. I'm going to address the Sandroba case now, and then you can all get screwed. I was constantly pushing the JL lynch, and no1 ever agreed. A confirmed town pulls out a similar mindset case to me, and I'm still magically scum even though I had the same way of thinking. Rayn, actually had thread presence back then, and I believe the way you shut me down was "I can understand his thought process". I tried to reason my read out with you, and you wouldnt have anything to do with it. GTFO, you have zero clue how to read me. I have had limited time this entire fucking game, and still have a 22page filter when I missed the first 48hrs. I have even less time this week leading into the xmas break and i just dont give a shit anymore. Feel free to make this my first mislynch. DW, im in the behaviour thread so wont modkill myself. | ||
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On December 17 2013 23:00 justanothertownie wrote: This rage is uncalled for and I don't really know if I am buying it. Don't buy it then. I'm sick to death of this shit. | ||
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On December 17 2013 23:01 Koshi wrote: Mocsta, take it from a town read of yours. That Sandroba case is really really good. +JAT comment on you early game. + Mig on your ass = Mocsta pretty scummy. I'm about to address the case, JATs comment.. did you read my response? None of what he wrote about disagreeing with me was alignment indicative. I have my own thoughts on how I think town should play and that is irregardless of alignment. Mig on my ass.. .. seriously.. he was pushing me because he thought I was lying about HP... its not even alignment indicative. As I said before, I have no reason to lie about being a caster. Further, even Rayn thinks the 25kp on him was scum mind games. So no, aside from the sandroba case which I have yet to address; there is nothing on me that remotely makes me scummy. Hence why Im just over this. I am going to address the case now, and then do soemthign else more productive with my time. | ||
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On December 17 2013 23:03 raynpelikoneet wrote: I thought you were techincally mislynched once Mocsta. I dont coutn nomination mafia. Its a weird mechanic and at the time we thought all 3 were town. I volunteered to be lynched out of the 3. But watever, second mislynch if you want to be like that. | ||
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JayB has done nothing all game except hop onto wagons with reasoning that has zero bearing on scum mentality and then hiding behind his claim of 'best mislynch NA". His push on me has been extremely scummy and hinges upon suspicion based on HP which I have gone over a million times has zero benefit to scum play -- even Risen agreed with this prior to his flip and hes a scum pro. ##Vote: JayBrundage (2) I have noticed over the past couple days that whenever a vet says "X" is scum, suddenly a bunch of people throw out their previous reads and start nodding their head. Yes, there is a lack of leadership this game - I suppose with Xmas many of us are busy. However, I urge that you all start using your head and think through for yourself what makes sense for this game. Being a vet, doesn't make your reasoning right. (3) I will address the Sandroba case below -- in my opinion this case is founded on "i don't like this guy cos of the way he wears pants on his hand". Well too bad, I already like the way I wear my pants. On December 17 2013 02:43 sandroba wrote: + Show Spoiler [case] + Okay I'm sorry I didn't push through with mig's last reads even though I thought they were likely correct. I got doubts when looking at the votes and picks and was too tired to think about the game. I bring you now the reason why mocsta is scum: First of all the post he made day 1 that made me look into him: On December 02 2013 14:50 Mocsta wrote: SS - Null. Most of his posts are setup speculation which is acceptable either alignment at this phase of the game. I admit I haven't played with a scum SS; but I also havent played with a pleasant one either. It makes me naturally assume something is different. Hes active though which is a good sign too. Yes, null. Geript - Soft town lean. Trolling Geript is null. But this Geript appears to be trying to push the thread into a certain direction - using reasoning vs slander. I also like that he is trying to make "look at me statements" to be noticed. He *wants* the attention. For this stage of the game I think thats pretty townie. OdinOfPergo - Null to soft scum lean Very setup oriented filter so i dont place a lot value in having activity. Half the stuff hes takling about I have no idea about because I'm not familiar with LoL. Hes also got an early Day0 obsession with Jay which hasn't relented, yet, he seems to be asking the opinion of others rather than talk to Jay to firm up a read?. This is kinda reminding me of how I approached Storrzerg in Mafia LXIII. Storrzerg - Null No idea, nothing really to work off Sandroba - Null Sandroba is known for good plans as town so its natural for him to easily receive buy-in // propose something conceived pre-game. Hes also known for lurking as scum. Hes given reasoning for lack of activity, so I think he will become pretty clear over the next 48hrs especially with roles being out. gtrsrs - Soft town lean I hate players like this. Troll. Its pretty light hearted, and the joke he made on Sandroba made me laugh, which is probably a good sign - as joviality is hard to fake. Most of the stuff is selfish setup talk which probably indicates town that will be useless to moving the thread forward i.e. the usual TL sign up these days. Oatsmaster - ?? It looks like hes trying to stir the pot intentionally. He seriously couldnt think that SS vet idea was good... I honestly have no idea how to read this guy anymore, he used to have direction in his pushes as town. Tips?? Justanothertownie - Null to Soft scum lean He is uncharacteristically active/assertive. The games I played with JAT he was pretty timid. Here he is calling people stupid and just in general seems to be on edge. I find he also talks to Rayn as if auto-assuming Rayn is town. White knighting? This is a waste of a post with plenty of bullshit to go around. And more it follows the exact same formula as most of JL/MZ posting, a bullshit post on demand after being prompted for reads on people, but as you notice really evasive and not much conclusion to be derived from it. Then there is the MZ/mocsta fake discussion that I pointed out day 1 and you guys pretty much dismissed it or said that MZ was okay but mocsta looked scummy. You will have to check out their filters for it, because it's too long and I want to make this post objective. This is how it went down: Mocsta suddenly started calling MZ scum for fabricating reads on easy targets. MZ answered him after a while and explained his reads to him. Mocsta insisted on some points and required further explanation. MZ refrained to answer mocsta for a little while, then mocsta got mad and voted MZ. For whatever reason that 1 vote made MZ extremelly angry and he explained it all over. Mocsta didn't buy the explanation and said that the vote remains. MZ repeated the exact same explanation and suddenly mocsta was satisfied and moved his 1 vote. Now as I pointed out day 1 and you are all free to read it over that looked fake as fuck, both from MZ and mocsta end. It has scum fake discussion written all over it. The very next post mocsta made when he gets called out on his fake looking MZ argument he says he still not over the MZ issue and explains why he is still suspicious of MZ. But then he drops it and votes JL because "Definitely didnt like the way he talked about me. Felt like he was trying to +1 onto bullshit.". Can you see the bussing patern here? Then this post comes. Remember mocsta was adamant on MZ and now was voting another person he considered scum JL. On December 04 2013 00:01 Mocsta wrote: I don't find my play fits into any category of my usual standard, because I am barely playing. Like I said before I'm struggling due to the early game. Every filter I have read has so much setup talk and I just go "ugggh" Why can't I be a sheep for once? But now he is suddenly struggling and want to sheep someone, because "filter have so much setup talk" that he can't get a solid scum read? Really, he seemed pretty conviced about MZ and was asking people about JL. Now he wants not to be noticed anymore. As a mater of fact go back and read the post in which he unvotes JL and moves his vote to Bum. If it weren't for the votes in that post you would think mocsta was actually voting JL and had his doubts about bum being scum, but that's not what happens: On December 04 2013 01:07 Mocsta wrote: ##Unvote jonnylaw First off, I think he "stole" my hero - so I might be prejudiced. Reading his filter I'm at loggerheads. - I cant follow his reads mid Day1 - they read like checklists and with some of the reads I dont even know if the lean is town or null. - I find him to be a lot more direct/assertive during the pick phase. Coupled with the point above I find pretty scummy. - Has a read on OWB/Kush.. that is weird. On one hand he is making some effort in his filter to push it, and on the other hand I don't feel he is making an effort to strengthen his read by talking to Kush. - I do like how he plays early Day 1 with Geript/Jay. It felt like he was stopping that feud and then tried to generate discussion with the right level of assertiveness. - I also misread him earlier when I said he +1'd me. That was prob OMGUS of me. Having said that, I dont see why it is relevant to call me out for making excuses. Doesn't take it anywhere either. Overall I think he has good potential to be scum. I really want to see him push his prime read (Kush) more. + I'm not sure if knowing he is a newbie is affecting my read. Bumatlarge I dont like this post. To me its overplayed enthusiasm. Realistically, did my vote make a difference to the outcome? I just dont see the point to it other than filler. - I noticed in his list of heroes split into town/defensive/mafia that my hero is not listed - even though it had KP. This makes me wonder what else was left out? Prob a null point, with so many heroes its hard to keep on top of them all. I don't like this. I never called jcarl scum. Ironically, I take issue with bum here for the blatant appeal to ego - I'm struggling to follow his train of thought. Still very setup focused - I dont get his stance on JL. Regarding the accidental vote, I'm not even sure if Bum is reading carefully if he points this out as non-accidental? - His read on LSB (who I haven't read yet) looks like hes leaving himself a backdoor. - I dont see where the Geript reads materialised? - I do like how persistent he is with Jcarl, but I dont know why he is so *certain* of this read. It felt really odd in tone to be included with his SK retort. Overall I'm really struggling to understand his line of thought/reasoning. Pick Phase he read like an excited kid gleefully figuring out which present to unwrap on Christmas Day. Im not getting that anymore. I think its unusual for town to be so stubborn on a lynch candidate this early. I think he also backpedaled his read on LSB when pressured by Marv in a scummy/wishy-washy way. I'm really disliking the continued setup speculation about powers and ultimates etc as well. Yeah, I can definitely vote this slot. ##Vote: Bumatlarge LSB - Vote on me is terrible. At least he dropped it without pressure. I'm really struggling to read his filter. Its painful. I disagree with what he is doing on so many levels (role fishing, policy lynching, list summaries) but at the same time I can't imagine a scum player being this ballsy. Surely it would have to set a precedent for bold play. Considering he was onto bum quite early; i dont see why scum would need to bus. so i am kinda association reading him as town. This is a very strong indication mocsta is scum. I really have no doubts in my mind anymore, but it gets better. You can all read Day 2 where suddenly mocsta is over MZ being scum and is pushing austin for most of the day along side with saying that JL is scum with him, but not pushing JL. Austin has to convince mocsta to vote MZ, his original scum read that nobody knows why he has forgotten about, after much talk. Guess who else mocsta had a personal fake looking discussion with? That's right. And notice that's pretty out of character from JL if you read his other posts: On December 09 2013 11:31 Mocsta wrote: Nope? Your in my top 3 scum reads. Its called pressure. If I'm being offensive, let me know and I can try tone it down a dial. Works pretty stressful this time of year, so maybe its carrying through - dunno. On December 09 2013 11:50 JonnyLaw wrote: Mocsta you don't offend me. Your posting style just comes off nervous and pushy rather than leading and convincing. What I said wasn't referring to your pressure. That's fine. Coag could be scum. That's what I said. Roffles could be scum. Voting yourself and throwing out random damage are both scummy. Mig's doing the same thing. Comes in, drops some damage and posts a bit of nothing then leaves. I don't know how to differentiate between the behavior of those three. This becomes more difficult since I don't think kush is scum. He seems misguided but his posts feel genuine, unlike your posting. Now remeber that mocsta was like JL is the scummiest of all, said it many times day 2, but never tried to get him lynched. What's the first thing he does day 3? Even after coag bombs mkfuba? Goes ahead and vote kushmaster. What in the fuck?? Where did your fucking JL read go that you go ahead and throw it out the window and votes kush? But when we finally call for a JL shot guess what happens? This post comes: On December 11 2013 09:58 Mocsta wrote: This game seriously... *I* have been pushing for a JL lynch since Day fucking One, and everyone disses it -- even when a flipped townie came to the same conclusion as me. Like fuck this. My case on JL hasn't changed because hes done *NOTHING* since. The case simply can not evolve; and now suddenly you guys want to shoot him. don't get me wrong, *PLEASE SHOOT/LYNCH HIM* but this is fucking frustrating. In my opinion: The real question should be: With towns limited KP, who do we want to lynch next cycle. Because there is zero value to shooting someone to 50% and then lynching them.... Thus, to shoot JL we need a solid alternative to consider lynching next cycle. e.g. Kush or LSB So either Shoot JL and lynch 1 of {Kush, LSB} or Shoot 1 of {Kush, LSB} and lynch JL I prefer lynching JL, because I am very confident he is scum. So I advocate shooting someone like LSB --> because he is of higher value to scum as a hero than a VT Kush Seriously shouldn't you be glad that we just lynched scum and we are shooting your top scum read? No he is apparently pissed off because we are shooting JL for the wrong reasons. Does not compute. Makes no sense. He wants us to not shoot JL. WTF #2. And then comes double lynch day when mocsta delivers this gem, where he has every reason to vote MZ, HIS ORIGINAL DAY 1 AND 2 READ, but he can't do it because of the 3 way day 2. He doesn't look into the voting, or anything, he just can't do it. On December 12 2013 15:59 Mocsta wrote: Vote (1): Kush - Guy was campaigning to save Coag using faulty logic and just enough wishy-washyness to allow him to move his vote as required. Tush never talks about JL except for a very bizarre spoiled post: This itself is a very awkward exchange and reads quite forced to me. Kush then proceeds to list him as a scum read *ONLY* when hes become a popular choice; never commenting that I have been gunning for JL since Day dot (and as I am Kush's prime scum read, this should have occured) Vote (2): Between LSB, MZ, Risen Risen - Has JK power, so may have been a source of scum RB --> again, protecting JL was too obvious a move I think That aside, his contributions have been weak (which is probably a slight town lean for Risen) However, I don't understand why Rayn thought Risen is town from the mason logs. Its all Rayn saying "XYZ" and Risen saying "+1". Very rarely, if at all, does Risen contribute first. (which i think is a scum lean for anyone). Overall, Im pretty confused on Risen. I really would expect a scum Risen to be more vocal in general. If the team is full of "JL" though, hes probably demoralised?? I would think leave this guy alone till later. MZ - This ult thing is funny & i'm sick of him only coming into the thread when under pressure. Very similar attitude to jonny regarding thread input. I would seriously consider him as my second vote. But I can't get over the austin/roffles/MZ 3-way. In my head, all 3 horses were pretty even. If MZ is scum; I dont see why they wouldnt jump on Austin vs Roffles. This reads to me like they didnt care who was lynched, they just wanted an easy peace-out vote. LSB - Doesn't give a shit about the game. This is clear - its all token effort. Doesnt even follow up on his night action summaries - which was his only useful contribution. I just can't think of a pro for LSB in general. ##Vote: Kush ##Vote: LSB But obviously after MZ is pretty much gonne then he can do it. Now there is the obvious HP fumble (and further killing of mig when he could check mocsta hp) and the fact that Rayn got hit by 25 after taunting mocsta that no one can explain. Mafia just hit rayn for 25? To confuse us? How could they know that rayn would target a VT? Why was mocsta even hit for 150 in the first place? Many questions that don't have any good explanation to them except mocsta being mafia. And I think this is a pretty good job proving it. (1) Okay I'm sorry I didn't push through with mig's last reads even though I thought they were likely correct. I got doubts when looking at the votes and picks and was too tired to think about the game. I bring you now the reason why mocsta is scum: I don't even know how to respond to this because its such a ridiculous post to consider as scummy.First of all the post he made day 1 that made me look into him: This is a waste of a post with plenty of bullshit to go around. And more it follows the exact same formula as most of JL/MZ posting, a bullshit post on demand after being prompted for reads on people, but as you notice really evasive and not much conclusion to be derived from it. (a) Whilst you note that I was requested to produce these 8 reads by Rayn; what you ignore is that at this point in time, most of the players had zero posts after the pick phase. Further, I missed the first 48hrs of the game. (b) I stand by the above reads as 100% reasonable for that point in time. You are taking posts out of context for the information available at that time. (c) What you are doing is noting that scum respond to people when requested; and making a link that because I respond to people when requested I must be scum too. This is bullshit logic. If you want to argue that you don't like my post in general, fine. We can agree to disagree. However, this is not indicative of scum mentality and therefore is alignment-null at worst. (2) Then there is the MZ/mocsta fake discussion that I pointed out day 1 and you guys pretty much dismissed it or said that MZ was okay but mocsta looked scummy. You will have to check out their filters for it, because it's too long and I want to make this post objective. This is how it went down: Mocsta suddenly started calling MZ scum for fabricating reads on easy targets. This has already been explained in detail: I just came out of a scum game where I made an early case on someone for exhibiting poor play vs scum mentality. I thought MZ was taking the same approach and pressured him heavily regarding this. MZ answered him after a while and explained his reads to him. Mocsta insisted on some points and required further explanation. Agreed MZ refrained to answer mocsta for a little while, then mocsta got mad and voted MZ. Incorrect. Firstly, MZ was ignoring me whilst answering all other questions directed at him. This is a convenient oversight by you. Secondly, this is how i pressure people, if you don't like it, fine. But thats how I play the game as either alignment. Lastly, you don't even consider that perhaps MZ was actually ignoring me because I was on the money and was trying to divert correct early attention. For whatever reason that 1 vote made MZ extremelly angry and he explained it all over. Mocsta didn't buy the explanation and said that the vote remains. Of course my vote made him respond in haste. What scum wants early pressure on them? When you factor in that I was the only person that read MZ correctly in his last game (sicilian) this definitely adds up. MZ repeated the exact same explanation and suddenly mocsta was satisfied and moved his 1 vote. This is a gross exaggeration. MZ in his second retort, made me realise one of my arguments was contradictory. This made me question the legitimacy of my read in the first place. Further, I did not move my vote until the next day to which it was moved onto Jonny based on his play. Do you actually read my filter? Are you now going to tell me that I went from bussing MZ into bussing JL -- even though I abhor and detest bussing? You don't even consider that you thought the discussion was fake because it was MZ trying to bullshit the thread. Fact: I bussed Grack in Mafia LXIII so hard, everyone thought he was confirmed town when I flipped. What this means is, if MZ and I were scum-to-scum like you are imagining; you would think *HE* was faking it. Not me. Take that as WIFOM I don't care. I don't bus often, but when i do - I don't fuck around. (3) Now as I pointed out day 1 and you are all free to read it over that looked fake as fuck, both from MZ and mocsta end. It has scum fake discussion written all over it. The very next post mocsta made when he gets called out on his fake looking MZ argument he says he still not over the MZ issue and explains why he is still suspicious of MZ. But then he drops it and votes JL because "Definitely didnt like the way he talked about me. Felt like he was trying to +1 onto bullshit.". Can you see the bussing patern here? What has any of this got to do with pushing a scum agenda?(a) Are you telling me its scummy to be transparent about my suspicions? Yes, I found MZ suspicious, and JL even more suspicious. Why does this make me scum over anybody else that could have thought the same. If anything, this is town indicative for me. Anyone that plays with me knows this is how I play and vote. (4) Then this post comes. Remember mocsta was adamant on MZ and now was voting another person he considered scum JL. This is a load of tunneled crap.But now he is suddenly struggling and want to sheep someone, because "filter have so much setup talk" that he can't get a solid scum read? Really, he seemed pretty conviced about MZ and was asking people about JL. Now he wants not to be noticed anymore. Further, its already been discussed and conveniently ignored by you. (1) I don't get all the theme talk, hero talk (2) I'm a VT (3) I went after people I thought was scum; and *NOT* only was I shut down repeatedly, but then people questioned my motives. (4) I just came out of a game where I nailed the whole scum team; and town called me scum for it. 1+2+3+4 = demotivation to play. Of course you jump to the conclusion of wanting to "not be noticed anymore" but.. then why do I have a 22 page filter that is full of my pushing my own reads. Confirmation Bias is the answer. (5) As a mater of fact go back and read the post in which he unvotes JL and moves his vote to Bum. If it weren't for the votes in that post you would think mocsta was actually voting JL and had his doubts about bum being scum, but that's not what happens: This is a very strong indication mocsta is scum. I really have no doubts in my mind anymore, but it gets better. Its pretty clear from this post I thought all 3 were scum. Why is it scummy to drop my suspicion of one read (JL) to pursue an alternative lead? Let me guess, if I kept my vote on JL, you would now call me scum for not wanting to be on the Bum mislynch. Bad logic that forces me into a lose-lose situation. (6) You can all read Day 2 where suddenly mocsta is over MZ being scum and is pushing austin for most of the day along side with saying that JL is scum with him, but not pushing JL. Austin has to convince mocsta to vote MZ, his original scum read that nobody knows why he has forgotten about, after much talk. You are saying here that it is scummy for me to have changed a read on a now flipped scummer. Again, a lose-lose situation that is ridiculous and completely plausible from a town point of view.The fact remains as you pointed it out: Austin convinced me about MZ. Are you now going to purport this was a fake interaction as well? Extending the above, You don't even consider the scum benefits of these heroes. MZ - RB power JL - 50% hp reduction + stealth kills. These are *GOOD* scum heroes... yet me, who hates bussing, in your story goes after *BOTH* of them. This is starting to get extremely irritating. Everything you are pointing out is precisely why I am town. (7) Guess who else mocsta had a personal fake looking discussion with? That's right. And notice that's pretty out of character from JL if you read his other posts: LOL. Hes scum and trying to discredit me to get me off his tail; and you are saying this is forced? This is what scum do lolThere is a perfectly good reason why I wrote the comment about being offensive, and its not alignment indicative. Did you read the BttB post-game that occured during the time of this post? (8) Now remeber that mocsta was like JL is the scummiest of all, said it many times day 2, but never tried to get him lynched. What's the first thing he does day 3? Even after coag bombs mkfuba? Goes ahead and vote kushmaster. What in the fuck?? Where did your fucking JL read go that you go ahead and throw it out the window and votes kush? Firstly, this is my vote on Kush in question.On December 11 2013 13:05 Mocsta wrote: LOL Even if I was put at gun point and forced to even consider the notion that you are town, we get the following: If you were town: this post is the definition of confirmation biased. You could argue your interpretation of my filter changed as context in the game developed. But, this never happens. Because you are scum: this post is the definition of a discredit campaign. Because again, you shit on my name and provide nothing to back it up other than weak arguments that have been easily refuted. Yelling out something is a "scum slip"; does not make it a "scum slip". So I get to the simple solution (1) You are scum --> I am right about you, JL, LSB (2) I assume: I was shot with remaining scum KP (hopefully this will be confirmed by dmg claims) I'm done with this. JL can be finished with KP. You're next. ##Vote: TushMasta-b8r You are clearly twisting stories now. (1) I did try to get JL lynched and was ignored on multiple efforts. (2) I thought Kush was scum and still do. Why am I scummy for this? Kush was running a discredit campaign on me as he has done all game. I play the game by pushing my best read if there is only one, or the read I think can be lynched if there is multiple. You can call me scum as much as you like for this, but until you demonstrate why others that do the same are *not* scum....then you are double-standards/confirmation biased and have zero credibility. (9) But when we finally call for a JL shot guess what happens? This post comes: This is now retarded. My message is clear. Why would you waste limited town KP on someone you are going to lynch. People (such as yourself) had not explained their ultimates and we had no idea there was enough KP to be able to finish off JL.Seriously shouldn't you be glad that we just lynched scum and we are shooting your top scum read? No he is apparently pissed off because we are shooting JL for the wrong reasons. Does not compute. Makes no sense. He wants us to not shoot JL. WTF #2. Thus, I said you either shoot JL and do not lynch him; or you shoot someone else and lynch JL. Of course I would rather lynch JL, because it takes him out of the game a cycle earlier -- yet of course this is scummy according to you. And yes, I am going to be pissed off when I have had the best case in the game be repeatedly ignored because "i understand his thought process" and then town jumps onto his wagon because Sandroba says to. You seem to have even forgotten that before Bum took off, you were with me on JL..... Don't like it, tough luck. It doesn't make me scum; nor does it explain how I promote a scum agenda. (10) And then comes double lynch day when mocsta delivers this gem, where he has every reason to vote MZ, HIS ORIGINAL DAY 1 AND 2 READ, but he can't do it because of the 3 way day 2. He doesn't look into the voting, or anything, he just can't do it. LOL. I did go through the votes and in a lot of detail and believe it went down as I said. I still dont understand why Coag/JL would jump onto Roffles vs Austin; and its a completely legitimate reason to consider not voting someone. The fact is, the votes led to a MZ lynch that cycle *until* town Geript swapped votes to save MZ. But let me guess, hes scum too and theres a death miller in this game?But obviously after MZ is pretty much gonne then he can do it. (11) Now there is the obvious HP fumble (and further killing of mig when he could check mocsta hp) and the fact that Rayn got hit by 25 after taunting mocsta that no one can explain. Mafia just hit rayn for 25? To confuse us? How could they know that rayn would target a VT? Why was mocsta even hit for 150 in the first place? Many questions that don't have any good explanation to them except mocsta being mafia. And I think this is a pretty good job proving it. No, this case is terrible. People are biting at it because its the LARGEST case in the game. You dont explain shit for why there is scum motive.(1) HP fumble on what? THere is no fumble. and even if you want to purport its a lie; to what purpose? There is no gain as scum to lie about having 50kp. As I said before, even pro-scum risen agreed with this moments before his flip. (2) Rayn thinks mafia hit him for 25kp twice to confuse him. Why is this so far beyond your comprehension? (3) Why was I hit for 150kp.. maybe cos my reads have been on the right track with JL and Kush.... (4) Mig could have been shot to frame me.. or the more plausible explanation because he started giving a shit about the game and trying to drive it forward. He accused lots of people before he died including people as SK. That you focus his death solely on me is terribad and opportunistic to suit your story. None of what you said explains why I am mafia. MOst of it clearly explains why I am disgruntled town this game. I'm sick of putting up with this bullshit and this is now becoming no different to last game. This case boils down to you agreeing with Mig about HP anomalies --> scum motivation and then building a case to support that notion. This is clear by your position in the last point. My vote stays on JayB. (and it has nothing to do with that Rayn taunted him and also received 25kp) | ||
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On December 18 2013 00:25 justanothertownie wrote: I think you 2 should stop this tbh. I agree. I think both are town. Koshi can be useless as town rayn, you know this. Its plausible that koshis inventions are sub-par as a by product of his early rejection/modification of the big list of inventions. + the MZ stuff is pretty tight i think. Rayn was town early game and has given low fucks for a while. The 900kp claim + lack of any other big dmg is making him look pretty townie. I dont think this convo is productive gents. I addressed sandroba case and going to bed now. | ||
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This shit about the marksman is so fucking dumb. Its from my character role PM. Here is Geript's: Welcome to LEAGUE OF LEGENDS PYP MAFIA! You are Town! You are Uzi! Hey there little puppy! You're the youngest player on Royal Club, and the Marksman, and during the S3 world finals it frequently fell on you to carry your team. The motto of royal club is such: raise the puppy, protect the puppy, and then ride the puppy into glorious combat and watch as it maims it's victims. NOW GO, BECOME A LARGE PUPPY AND WIN FOR TOWN! I will address everything else when I get back to work. Everything I read is complete conjecture and absolute bullshit. I am not a fucking caster minion full stop. VT roles are randomized and 50kp is not going to kill anyone. Sandroba says why are scum not pushing it harder... well what the fuck is he and JayB doing? Sandroba even admits he refuses to read my case rebuttle that others admitted was solid. Sandroba is scum and I will outline this later in the day when I have time. Get your dumb votes off me. If I was scum, it certainly would not be for fucking lying about a VT role that either alignment can have. This is the stupidest push I have ever seen in a game of mafia that is based purely on conjecture. I go back to this: On December 18 2013 00:29 Mocsta wrote: (2) I have noticed over the past couple days that whenever a vet says "X" is scum, suddenly a bunch of people throw out their previous reads and start nodding their head. Yes, there is a lack of leadership this game - I suppose with Xmas many of us are busy. However, I urge that you all start using your head and think through for yourself what makes sense for this game. Being a vet, doesn't make your reasoning right. | ||
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On December 18 2013 08:26 Koshi wrote: Let's see how this woks out if you are a "1.15k creep" 1) Mocsta rolls siege creep (likely as in 1/3) I assume you mean tank minion 2) Mocsta tells the thread he is a VT with 1k hp. (could be explained that people lie about hp as town) Correct, or short-hand typing 3) Mocsta gets 150 damage and has now 1k hp, tells the thread this can be checked by Mig) Correct. I am currently 875hp 4) rayn taunts Mocsta and gets 25 damage (???????????????????) (Risen is not scum so he didn't tell it) Correct. Why does this gurantee the dmg is from me? 5) Mig dies, but scum is not pushing Mocsta even though this is why Mig is stacked? (How fast was Risen being misslynched previous day? Scum holding Mocsta lynch for later?)I have already explained that (1) Mig was giving a shit about the game and starting to give impetus to the thread (2) He was accusing a lot of people of being scum/SK. Not just me (3) What is this shit about scum not pushign Me about the HP... *PLENTY* of people have, why can't that be scum pushing me. (4) Its just as plausible to frame me with the kill - hence why i havent been shot further Also quite strange. The only thing that is strange about all of this is that its become an issue that people are now voting over. There is 380 pages of thread, and this is the best you all can come up with near MYLO? Seriously, there are 10 players in the game and we actually are potentially in MYLO. Based on flavor, people are suggesting: 7 town, 3 scum jcarlsoniv - no dmg kushm4sta - no dmg raynpelikoneet - almost dead Mocsta - low dmg Oatsmaster - no dmg supersoft - medium dmg jaybrundage - low dmg Koshi - low-medium dmg justanothertownie - no dmg sandroba - no dmg Scum shot me before before any of this HP shit became an issue. Since then, there is no need to shoot me as all you monkeys keep yelling suddenly I am scum. And now they are rotating spare KP around from me -> SS -> Koshi; hedging their bets and giving flexibility on kills. If im lynched it goes to 6-3. SS + Koshi + Rayn could all be potentially killed in 1 night and the game is over. Seriously I have zero fucking reason to lie about my VT role - its fuckn randomised and not alignment indicative. Scum started with at least 1100kp before... 50kp is fucking insignificant to cause this much dispute. FFS... scum play is about blending in, not sticking out for shit like this. As I said in the sandroba case, you are all attacking me for not wearing my pants on my head the way you do. This rarely results in a scum lynch. You can't even explain why this benefits a scum agenda. With Rayns taunt. Did you ever consider that everyone knows rayn goes tunnel ballistic and mafia tried to set someone up? FFS.. I even asked rayn who he taunted. I had no fear of the outcome because im not a fucking caster minion. | ||
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On December 18 2013 08:55 jaybrundage wrote: by character name i mean the player name. I already did. Im some guy on team alternate. a lord something. | ||
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On December 18 2013 09:24 sandroba wrote: I just googled that lord something and apparently he is AP carry. May you explains to us where this marksman thing appears in your role pm? (1) Playing for Team Alternate. (2) Claim to fame: - constantly at top of the ladder in season 2 (3) Ppl refer to me by ELO (4) Not on successful teams, however many agree i am the best "marksman" in Europe It says marksman..... | ||
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On December 18 2013 09:51 sandroba wrote: sorry google says you are lying Is the rest true? Theres at least 30 role PMs + fake claims which will have to be in the game. Its completely plausible that the host made a typo. I dont even get the big deal.. its flavour | ||
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On December 18 2013 10:03 sandroba wrote: Too many coincidences which have no explanation other than you being scum somehow all happen to you right mocsta. LOL.. because scum intentionally play to be caught out with things like this. This is so bad from you. Scum always have their bases covered with this type of shit. I go back to what I said originally On December 18 2013 00:29 Mocsta wrote: (3) I will address the Sandroba case below -- in my opinion this case is founded on "i don't like this guy cos of the way he wears pants on his hand". Well too bad, I already like the way I wear my pants. | ||
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On December 18 2013 10:26 sandroba wrote: Those were about heroes.. things that hold value and influence the game.Yes because obviously MZ's and coag's claims were so good and well contructed. And yeah JL could pull off an amazing claim too. In my case we are dealing with trivial items that  O NOT* influence the game.They are not comparable, regardless of how true you want it to be. | ||
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http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=436086¤tpage=376#7519 My responds to the garbage said overnight: On December 18 2013 02:29 sandroba wrote: Of course what I write matters matters. I am town and have not flipped. This is the scummiest way possible to discredit everything I am responding to.It doesn't matter what mocsta types right now, what does matter is how he behaved throughout the game. It's a simple excercise to find rational for stuff already done. The way he behaved, as proven by that giant post I typed simply could not have come from a townie mentality. Please stop dicking around and let's lynch this man. Further, I already proved your case did not detail anything that suggests I am mafia, or promoting a scum agenda. Your case is based purely on the assertion of HP claims which are insignificant towards a scum victory. On December 18 2013 02:43 sandroba wrote: Incorrect.Mocsta, despite whatever he says didn't go after JL or MZ. In fact, despite calling them both scum pretty early didn't make any solid case or push to get them lynched and when they were an option he didn't vote MZ until he was done and was against the shot on JL. I made a solid case on JL and was consistently pushing him and bringing his name up to people influential in the thread. Regarding MZ, we are on different time zones... and I have already said I am busy. Just because I did not vote someone when you want me to, does not make me scum. I provided detailed reasons for why I prefered a JL lynch vs shot and you have completely ignored them. Let me repeat: we never had knowledge that there was enough town KP to kill JL in one fell swoop. My actions were promoting an earlier JL death. On December 18 2013 02:50 kushm4sta wrote: Even my biggest detractor realises that you are not calling me scummy for genuine reasons.haha mocsta didn't even read your long ass defense. read the sig btw i know sandroba's case is garbage. I didn't want to say anything because I agreed with its conclusions. Sandroba's claim to fame has never been making cases. He has good "feel" reads, and currently he's lost his feel. That does not matter at this point though, since people respect him and they will listen to him and you will get lynched. Maybe jayb then you but still you get lynched. BTW ZERO POINT ZERO credit for this jayb bus, mocsta. On December 18 2013 03:12 sandroba wrote: For someone that finds me scummy. Its pretty clear in my filter.@mocsta kush is giving me a bad feeling and I'll listen to what you have to say. besides kush, who do you think is the rest of the mafia team? http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=436086¤tpage=374#7467 On December 18 2013 03:31 Koshi wrote: Bingo.... Sandroba conveniently glosses over this.It's also not that he talks to this scums like he knows that they are scum. He just interacts with them and tries to figure them out. On December 18 2013 03:54 sandroba wrote: The red = tunnel syndromeAnd regarding the taunt, I really can't get passed that. Risen claimed he would be shielding both rayn/risen or himself. rayn taunts mocsta. Mafia has no way of knowing that unless rayn is mafia. But if rayn is mafia he knew Risen was suppose to shield them and there is no point hitting for 25dmg, as that damage would never be even noticed. So either mafia randomly wasted 25 damage on Rayn or Risen for no purpose (can't be another mafia VT since VTs shoot for 50 and unless taunted the damage should not be halved) or he taunted it off mocsta. That's the only 2 possible explanations and one is way more likely than the other. As for plausibility of the two scenarios. Night 3 when Rayn taunted me... the following died: ticklishmusic, visceraEyes, mkfuba. Its completely plausible scum burned a majority of their KP on those 3 and had pittance left and decided to use it on Rayn to fake a taunt. On December 18 2013 03:57 Koshi wrote: Regarding this, its laziness/demotivation.Does anybody with LoL knowledge know what this could be? I got my pick selection PM and it showed immediately I wasnt blue/fiddlesticks. I didnt care about the rest of it. I saw the start (Green text) and then saw the end (HP). I remembered I was a marksman and told him that. Was too lazy to check and everything was over my head anyways. On December 18 2013 03:58 sandroba wrote: Firstly, people have jumped all over me for this which directly contradicts what you just wrote.If mafia's plan was to frame someone I believe they would have pushed the issue but I see not a single mention of this in flipped scum's filter. The fact that mafia didn't jump on mocsta for that is alarming by itself. And if it were a frame it would likely not even be noticed since Risen was suppose to shield them both. Secondly, Rayn is known for hard tunneling. Its completely plausible scum were happy to let Rayn do "his thing" Thirdly, when Rayn was pushing me about it, I explained myself in clear detail. I know I am not a fucking caster minion. Lastly, its completely possible scum had little KP remaining (as i explained above) and decided to burn it on Rayn for "fun" - turns out it paid off. Realistically, what is 25kp going to do to anyone.... On December 18 2013 04:22 sandroba wrote: Wrong. I said I took dmg; and when Rayn brought up the taunt thing. I explained that if mig shot me I woudl stil have more HP than a caster minion. I never changed any claim.@kush any good explanation for what happened? Mocsta only changed his claim to tank after the taunt thing iirc. On December 18 2013 05:18 jcarlsoniv wrote: Bingo....This is exactly what I was about to say. Look at all the vt flips - people have all been given pro players as their identities. I think it's entirely plausible that Mocsta's player description mentions marksmen. On December 18 2013 05:26 sandroba wrote: Espousing more rubbish to discredit me.The thing is jat, he only started lying after rayn said he taunted someone and was hit by 25dmg. Then he changed his story from being "marksman" with 1k hp to tank minion with 1.15k hp. Even though previously when directly asked wether he was tank minion he apparently he had no clue what that means. Firstly you have no proof of a lie. Secondly, yes, I didnt know which minion I was specifically. Why is this scummy? The crux of your case against me has never delved into scum motivation for any actions. You are purely riding Migs coat tails. On December 18 2013 05:31 justanothertownie wrote: Exactly. Someone is thinking.I will have to think about this further but it still makes no sense to me that Mocsta as scum would lie about which VT role he has. High risk and little to no reward. There is fuck all difference between shooting someone for 950kp or 900+50kp. Sandroba says otherwise and I disagree vehemently. On December 18 2013 05:39 jaybrundage wrote: Rubbish. MZ blocked the invention + Mig. He had a good reason to lie about his power.It was high risk for MZ to make up some bull shit about his ability but he did it. 50 extra KP is 50 extra KP that town has no control over. It maybe not be the smartest move from the risk reward standpoint. But it is an advantage if they can get away with it, granted a small one. If you want to go along the lines that 50kp is a small advantage nonetheless; than the movers also have a reason to lie because scum could have moved targets they wanted to maximise dmg for Coags nuke. This is jsut getting stupid. Flips have shown a 850-1200hp range. 50kp is not the factor between killing someone or not. On December 18 2013 05:42 raynpelikoneet wrote: We are potentially in MYLO. This is not the best thing.##Unvote: ##Vote: Mocsta Unless there is some stupid unnaccounted 25 dmg on someone from N2 (ambulance radio) this is the best thing. The 25kp can easily be explained by remnant kp after killing 3 people night 3. Or it can be explained by trying to get you into a tunnel. I fuckn asked you who you taunted. Dont you think if I was a caster minion, that I would have played out our convo differently? I had no idea you taunted me; nor did I ever think it could come from me. Im not a caster minion. On December 18 2013 06:13 justanothertownie wrote: If this is the case: why did you take 25 dmg the night you taunted jay who also claimed tank VT? Those can't come from a caster minion Mocsta. On December 18 2013 06:22 sandroba wrote: LOL... anything to satisfy your story sandroba. Of course after ther incident happen mafia has a reason to randomly hit rayn for 25 dmg. But in the night rayn was supposedly shielded and mafia could never know he would taunt mocsta it makes no fucking sense. Please use your head jat. Yes, I agree the followup 25kp is meaningless. However the 25kp from my taunt is completely plausible for situations you refuse to consider. On December 18 2013 06:30 sandroba wrote: This is the way you would do it. I already explained my actions.Don't you understand that is in mafia best interest to keep information from town? And if mocsta shot at previous night on the people that got killed or any one looking town he would have a hard time explaining it? That's the way you would do it if you got mafia caster minion, it doesn't mean that's the way mocsta did it in the previous night. And if you remember mocsta didn't say which type of minion he was when directly asked about it by Odin. I also already explained what I would do as scum if I was a caster minion. I stand by that. We have different philosophies.. get over it. On December 18 2013 06:33 justanothertownie wrote: Exactly. High risk for little reward. I do not play scum like this; nor does anyone that is considered good at scum.No, that's not the way I would do it. Why would he shoot at people that get killed with his 50 KP? He KNOWS who will be killed as scum. Just shoot someone else. On December 18 2013 06:43 sandroba wrote: Once again, you dont like the way I wear my pants on my head. I don tplay the game the same as you; and you havent explained at all why this benefits scum agenda.sigh it's hard to talk to you. At N1 and N2 mocsta had not claimed which type of VT he was. He has no reason to do so as mafia unless pressed about it. He was asked about it by odin and dismissed the question saying something about marksman. Now why would he shoot some lurkers with his 50kp? That would be hard to justify as town mocsta since he was saying JL and MZ were scum and they didn't take any extra damage as you can see in the ambulance radio. How can he justify have shot someone else? He can't, so when 50kp got taunted off him when he was finally pressed about which type of VT he was he changes his claim to tank minion who has no KP (since again, he cant justify not shooting MZ or JL). But wait, tank minion actually has 1.15k hp as opposed to what mocsta claimed 1k hp. No problem he just says he has 1.15k and said 1k because it was too damn long to type. On December 18 2013 06:46 sandroba wrote: Disagree. Night1 there was every incentive to claim caster as nobody knew hero selections and/or ultimates. Chezinu was a watcher and could have easily caught a caster that didnt claim. Again, high risk, for only 50kp.... your story doesnt hold up.Mafia likely has xxxx factional kp. Mocsta wasting it on lurkers which mafia has no desire to kill acomplishes nothing and doesn't buy mocsta any town cred. The best course of action is to not say you have kp at all and contribute your kp to mafia objectives. On December 18 2013 07:16 sandroba wrote: It doesnt add up as I have already explainedOkay scratch that let me explain it again because I said under instead of over. 1)Mocsta realises mig can check people's HP. Claims 150 dmg so he can be sitting at his original HP amount. 2)Rayn claims the 25dmg, mocsta realises what went on and changes his claim to tank minion because that can't be easily confirmed. 3)If mig survives and checks mocsta he and finds 725hp mocsta simply says that he was hit by another 150 and his story can hold. Number 1 point is the only thing that explains mocsta suddenly taking 150dmg, because he is caster minion. Rayn getting hit by 25 is only explained by mocsta being caster minion also so there you have it. It all adds up. On December 18 2013 07:22 sandroba wrote: This is so stupid. Why wouldnt I make this claim night1 if all I wanted to do was fake being a caster minion.When mocsta claimed 150 damage he didn't know about rayn taking 25dmg. 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Rayne taunt damage is most likely the byproduct of 3 nks that night with very little kp left over so they popped it there. If I was trying to fake claim caster with the dmg I took. I could have easily done it night 1. This is MYLO. Jayb is definitely the best lynch for today. Hands down. | ||
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This scum team already has 4 hardcore lurkers flipped and it's obvious from day dot that scum have let the actives fight each other. But.. This is nothing I haven't been saying for a couple days straight now. | ||
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I find it uncomprehendable for a townie to only have 2 points of discussion in a 380page thread. 1. Marv has a scary scum game 2. Mocsta is scum be a use of hp claims This is beyond bad town and is far beyond what you outputted in nomination mafia. As I said, every plausible com inaction of scum this game includes you. Thus you ARE the best lynch in MYLO | ||
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On December 18 2013 20:02 justanothertownie wrote: How do you know this is MYLO? With some crazy scum powers maybe but I don't see how you can be so sure about that as town. There seem to be ~ 1100 KP floating around. I sincerely doubt this is enough to kill 3 people (even damaged). Anyways your explanation for the dmg on Rayn is totally absurd to me. There were 3 nightkills. This means scum stacked many many KP on them but could they know it was enough to kill them? No. So why waste 25 KP randomly on rayn? To incriminate someone? How could they know Rayn wouldn't taunt one of them? This doesn't make anymore sense to me than you being a caster minion... Then there is this whole marksman story... I give up with this game. Go and lose. | ||
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On December 19 2013 06:41 raynpelikoneet wrote: Mocsta does not get mad at me as town anymore. I tried to make him mad in BttB but he didn't. In this game he got seriously mad at me when i accused him. I didn't like it. thats because uyou are dumb. I'm not a caster. I am sure you were shot for 25 because there was pittance kp left after 3 nks. its pretty obvious what the HP is for support heroes.... about 850, 900 yo be safe. if the best u can do is lynch me for an HP claim. thats so dumb. not one person has explained scum motivation for my actions. maybe jat, but he's already voted me and now looking at everything in its worst light. seems like games with you and me, I always get framed. so yeah I'm sour about this and don't give a fuck anymore. u r all desperate to lynch pants on head instead of scum and its your loss, I don't want anything to do with this anymore | ||
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but jcarl I would still lynch jayb because we are possibly in mylo and need yo hit the best case chance for scum. plans don't matter anymore | ||
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I spent hours responding to everything yesterday to be duly ignored. I'm not even a caster. I'm really a move creep. and that is no joke. I never wanted to claim it at the start cos it sounded powerful. when I got shot I said I had higher HP so scum would be less inclined yto keep shooting me. but whatevz, now the treuth is out of course I need to be lynched now. I understand that. but realise, u will all look stupid cos I definitely am not a caster | ||
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On December 19 2013 08:10 justanothertownie wrote: So now you are a move creep again... wtf. You want me to believe you said you had 150 more HP to trick scum? Sorry, but this sounds pretty unbelievable to me. again? I don't recall claiming that ever well I don't care if u believe it. ibrealise I have to be lynched regardless I'm saying I'm a move creep vt it will be confirmed in 3hrs | ||
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He's been pushing me like u. Lynch oats next is my guess | ||
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<b>SS,</b> Bus me already ffs, you can't save me <b>Kush, </b> If sandroba picks on you tomorrow just tell him to fuck off, maybe add some WIFOM how you are changing up your meta. Realistically you've been bussing me pretty good so I doubt it will go there anyways. (2) <B>Stick with the plan</b> *PUSH* the lynch onto JayB first. Everyone is suspicious of him and it should be easy to sell him as bussing me once Mig sniffed me. Backup plan if JAT kills JayB is Oats. Just use Rayn story about multiple scum picking the same numbers + his hard defense of MZ. (3) For the NKs tonight <b>Stick with the plan</b> Keep whittling them down for the blitzkrieg BUT...I'm thinking jcarl is going to fake the lantern and box himself so don't bother there - unless he gives you the lantern again SS. Then kill him. Koshi and Rayn have some dmg but we dunno the heal. I reckon 500kp to Rayn should seal the deal. With the remaining KP I reckon split it onto Koshi + Sandroba. Sorry guys I couldnt fight the lynch. Good luck and <b>Stick with the plan !!</b> | ||
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Congrats to Kush for never letting go of that read. Kita, there are a few things I would do differently if this game was replayed but you were spot on that scum were all doing their own thing. This game was basically 7 SKs vs town - unfortunately. Marv, I think I chose Fiddlestix cos he was a KP hero that was not being discussed. | ||
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On December 24 2013 09:53 kushm4sta wrote: My reasons for why mocsta was scum were so good. Then sandroba comes along with something that barely makes sense and everyone listens to him. Like i got your reasons: i.e. I interpretted Austin comments in the worst way possible. But i dont see why it was enough for a 180 read on me. Others agreed (IIRC Rayn) that my interpretation was valid; and Austin never questioned I read it that way either. In my opinion, the closest someone got to a genuine case on me was JAT with: + Show Spoiler + On December 19 2013 06:38 justanothertownie wrote: Ok, I took my time and went trough Mocstas filter. I don't think I will move my vote today if he doesn't come back and impresses me. The interactions with MZ do look kinda faked. Day 2 he campaigned for austin till the wagon was really picking up steam with influential players on it. Then he abandoned it, voted MZ and peaced (stating he wouldn't come back before deadline). He couldn't have known how much heat MZ would get at that point so this to me looks like distancing from a austin or roffles mislynch (both were way in the front at that time) and parking his vote on a scumbuddy to look good later. He was also the first (I think) to propose that scum Coag wouldn't have made the drama about shooting MZ if MZ was scum. Putting MZ as second best scumread from now on and doesn't vote him till directly before deadline. The bus on JL looks hard but at the end of the dayphases Mocsta always finds a way to vote someone else over him (JL is always only his second best scumread when it gets important). How he voted bum is especially fishy. He also wanted us to use a lynch instead of shooting JL when this was planned. He doesn't call Onegu and Coag town but he tries to buy time for them at some point. There is this little detail about his usage of <b></b> that rayn pointed out. He has oats as a soft townread for the whole game it seems. I think oats is scummy. Also it is interesting how he instantly asks rayn who he taunted after risen and rayn received dmg. This post came up before rayn revealed that he taunted Mocsta. Hmm. This stuff + the lengthy discussed HP/25 dmg/marksman business is enough for me to not feel bad about leaving my vote on Mocsta. Having said that, I most likely wouldn't have lied about my HP as town. So that was a valid reason to lynch, but frustrating reason nonetheless. | ||
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On December 24 2013 11:45 WaveofShadow wrote: Mocsta how would you have done things differently? Do you mean you yourself or something that we (hosts) should have done balance-wise? (1) I would have changed up the night kills somewhat. I think Night1 was more than reasonable. After that, I valued people that werent onto me too much and forgot how quickly the game can turn around. In hindsight, Koshi really needed to be eliminated so thats a big lesson I learnt. Sandroba was difficult, of course we wanted him dead but that reflect was really fucking with my head. (2) I would have PM you guys for VT flavour before screwing myself over. That was a really bad mistake. Truth is: When I got my VT PM, it was red - so for whatever reason when I got my VT ability to move the list (which I thought was scummy in general) and was hearing about townies getting abilities to shoot 50KP I was like wtf.. is this a balance mechanism. Sigh WoS, as I said in ObsQT: This was a really well setup game and run impeccably. Modkills sucked for scum, cos a lot of them were potential mislynches - but this is a constant in any game so it just is what it is. The real shame of this game was the amount of VTs. Would have been *REAL* hectic if somehow everyone had a hero. One thing I want to applaud you for is the transparency in resolving actions. Especially towards the end-game, this was used by all parties still in the game. So massive kudos to this. | ||
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I felt host interaction wasn't required as it was spelt out clearly. There were no arguments about why things occurred which is rare in my experience. | ||
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