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sandroba
Profile Joined April 2006
Canada4998 Posts
December 02 2013 13:53 GMT
#1281
@marv I believe that his point is that RED checks are very likely to be precise and I do agree. For that not to be true mafia has to have randomly gotten a framer with their second abilities and they have to guess correctly which townie is going to be checked. Green checks however should not be trusted blindly.
Kurumi
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Poland6130 Posts
December 02 2013 13:54 GMT
#1282
I am scared about nidalee. High profile players are both at the start and the end of the signup list :/ My second ability helps my main as well. Thief role would be a real bummer if hidden, so I do not think it is likely. Will try to go over jcarl, gtrsrs again when I am home. Especially bum's case and what have MZ Mig and BC done so far.
I work alone. // Visit TL Mafia subforum!
sandroba
Profile Joined April 2006
Canada4998 Posts
December 02 2013 13:59 GMT
#1283
I have a sugestion for the invention. Make a checker that you choose a number and it returns the number of scum that first picked that number. That way you can use it to single check people or to confirm/check multiple people in the number clusters.
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
December 02 2013 14:04 GMT
#1284
sandroba, go flick through a couple of gtrsrs's towngames, I dare ya.

My flick through jcarl's games was less definitive than I'd like.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
Kurumi
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Poland6130 Posts
December 02 2013 14:09 GMT
#1285
On December 02 2013 22:59 sandroba wrote:
I have a sugestion for the invention. Make a checker that you choose a number and it returns the number of scum that first picked that number. That way you can use it to single check people or to confirm/check multiple people in the number clusters.

Sounds far less useful than classic listcheck.
I work alone. // Visit TL Mafia subforum!
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
December 02 2013 14:09 GMT
#1286
Ugh, i hate second doubts..
supersoft, you have played in at least one PYP game before. How can you possibly misunderstand how the draft & picking numbers work?
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sandroba
Profile Joined April 2006
Canada4998 Posts
December 02 2013 14:11 GMT
#1287
Can't seem to find any games with tl search, can you link pls?
I did however read his filter again and I can't find anything in particular that would lead me to believe he is scum.
sandroba
Profile Joined April 2006
Canada4998 Posts
December 02 2013 14:12 GMT
#1288
@kurumi Indeed, and that's the point, since list checks are normally banned. If he can make a list checker, then by all means do it.
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
December 02 2013 14:13 GMT
#1289
On December 02 2013 23:11 sandroba wrote:
Can't seem to find any games with tl search, can you link pls?
I did however read his filter again and I can't find anything in particular that would lead me to believe he is scum.


http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=227500&user=gtrsrs&view=all

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=237124&user=gtrsrs&view=all
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
December 02 2013 14:16 GMT
#1290
Yeah if basic list checks are banned Sandroba's idea sounds good.
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sandroba
Profile Joined April 2006
Canada4998 Posts
December 02 2013 14:19 GMT
#1291
@marv while I take my time and skim that, why don't you tell me what you think about austin this game
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
December 02 2013 14:21 GMT
#1292
Btw sandroba this is a useful tool toi have:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=390080
ctrl + f playername and voilá!
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marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
December 02 2013 14:21 GMT
#1293
On December 02 2013 23:19 sandroba wrote:
@marv while I take my time and skim that, why don't you tell me what you think about austin this game

I don't have much to say about austin. He's not really said anything that I wouldn't expect him to say from either alignment.

The only notable thing is that I'd have thought he'd be more involved/excited about the drafting and picking process than he's shown. He likes non-scumhunty stuff like that.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
supersoft
Profile Joined April 2010
Germany3729 Posts
December 02 2013 14:27 GMT
#1294
LBS is scum

On December 02 2013 09:07 LSB wrote:
Okay here is my DANGER DANGER list of roles who I want public. Should mafia get their hands on them and use them to their own devices it is basically gg. Viktor, Heimerdinger, Tryndamere, Janna, Kha'Zix

Now there is no way we would be able to tell who is who unless we have a mass claim. It's already late enough that we don't have a picking planed up. I would advice everyone to try to go for either the roles I listed or the roles BC listed.

Keep in mind, mafia did ban out all of the DT roles, so they probably have no problems with a mass claim. However, it is much better to have control and an idea of what these power roles are doing, rather than let mafia use them on their own.


I thought about this a little. I think scum was afraid of a massroleclaim in the pick and ban phase. Sandroba was right with his post (100%bluetown etc).

So what did LBS do. At first, he mentioned that scum banned out the detective roles. However that doesnt mean they have no problem with a massclaim. But that's not true. That was just one thing mafia did to keep the damage lower. Maybe they anticipated a roleclaim but as sandroba said. a roleclaim would still have been strong.

On December 02 2013 09:27 LSB wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 02 2013 09:22 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On December 02 2013 09:19 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
Roles do not = alignment. Mass claiming roles really doesn't give anyone an idea of anyones alignment. And given the sheer fact every role has hidden shit Outing all that hidden shite is dumb. Mafia clearly didn't want to deal with dt roles this game and if anyones secret role info ends up being a dt why would you out that for mafia? Also people having x roles means any role that requires knowing someone elses role to activate or reach full power of said role gives mafia a huge advantage. It also lets mafia snipe more threatening roles to them more quickly and also makes it harder to determine peoples alignment given that they can shoot based off of "that role would suck to face" as opposed to offing people who are being solid townies, etc.. and thus throwing town into chaos.

Claiming is situational and a mass claim does not help the town anywhere near as much as it helps mafia.

This post is totally wrong but i don't really care because people won't follow the plan anyways.

I wouldn't say it is totally wrong. Ever since town decided the best idea was to ban out the obvious mafia roles, which was a horrible idea because those would be easy mafia kills, roles do not = aliment.

However, giving mafia the power roles free reign is an incredibly stupid idea and come day I will be roleclaiming and voting anyone who doesnt


then he agrees with BC who is basically against a roleclaim. BUT as a compromise he wants a late roleclaim!!!

On December 02 2013 11:05 LSB wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 02 2013 10:29 StorrZerg wrote:
whats your plan lsb?

Everyone roleclaim after roles are given


and this after-pick-mass-roleclaim looks like the original sandroba roleclaim. But it really isnt' now you have the disadvantages of a roleclaim (free bluesniping) and you DONT have the advantage of a 100% bluetown.

On December 02 2013 13:16 LSB wrote:
You have chosen Tryndamere!
I can change my position up to 5 players away on the signup list, dealing 50 dmg to each player

EDIT: Due to rules

and this fits also in the picture. After he picked Trynda and realized he deals like 0 damage, he claimed and made his pick look harmless.

I will be back later and do some meta research.
Not sure, if we should lynch him today...
supersoft
Profile Joined April 2010
Germany3729 Posts
December 02 2013 14:31 GMT
#1295
On December 02 2013 23:09 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Ugh, i hate second doubts..
supersoft, you have played in at least one PYP game before. How can you possibly misunderstand how the draft & picking numbers work?


I didnt remember how they worked. + I was scum back then. I remember that this was an extremely confusing game for me and we got slaughtered at d2.
by Mig btw. who performed 100000 times better back then, compared to now.
Last game he was a vig and therefor excused. I wonder why he doesnt do much this game.

I also remember that gtrsrs kurumi iGrok game!
that was my second mafiagame ^_^
the scumteam surrendered day2 or so
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
December 02 2013 14:32 GMT
#1296
I think Mig said he was sick so i would not read too much into his absence at least yet.
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supersoft
Profile Joined April 2010
Germany3729 Posts
December 02 2013 14:33 GMT
#1297
On December 02 2013 23:32 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I think Mig said he was sick so i would not read too much into his absence at least yet.


true.
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
December 02 2013 14:35 GMT
#1298
supersoft do you have anything to add/say about cases on jcarl & gtrsrs?
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
December 02 2013 14:39 GMT
#1299
Also this is what bothered the most in BC's post to me:
It also lets mafia snipe more threatening roles to them more quickly and also makes it harder to determine peoples alignment given that they can shoot based off of "that role would suck to face" as opposed to offing people who are being solid townies, etc.. and thus throwing town into chaos.

I would love if mafia offed people based on their roles and not based on who is a good analyst. Even when everyone is blue what wins the game is when people find scum. Lesser analysts are far likely to trust wrong people and do anti-town stuff / make bad decisions with whatever role they have. As scum i would love to see some poor townie have a vigilante role, then shoot 3 townies and after that get lynched for it.
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supersoft
Profile Joined April 2010
Germany3729 Posts
December 02 2013 14:40 GMT
#1300
On December 02 2013 23:35 raynpelikoneet wrote:
supersoft do you have anything to add/say about cases on jcarl & gtrsrs?


haven't read their filters yet.
I just wanted to throw the LBS thing out there, because i couldn't find peace until i posted it.
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