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Roffles
Pitcairn19291 Posts
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BloodyC0bbler
Canada7875 Posts
On December 02 2013 23:39 raynpelikoneet wrote: Also this is what bothered the most in BC's post to me: I would love if mafia offed people based on their roles and not based on who is a good analyst. Even when everyone is blue what wins the game is when people find scum. Lesser analysts are far likely to trust wrong people and do anti-town stuff / make bad decisions with whatever role they have. As scum i would love to see some poor townie have a vigilante role, then shoot 3 townies and after that get lynched for it. Just caught up on the thread and will respond to this as its nicely at the end. PyP games are well, retarded as fuck. I have also experienced the games that regardless of how good of an analyst you are, and how many times you can lead town to the correct lynch/vig shot. They will still for whatever reason herp derp horribly and given how OP some roles are only a blue or a combination of blues can easily deal with the mafia. PyP 3 comes to mind as one of the most retarded games I have ever seen. Ask Bum, he was scum i was town. I as an analyst had basically the entire mafia team outed by day 3-4ish, and town proceeded to attempt to kill me 2 nights in a row for retarded reasons. The third party in that game also killed as many mafia as town did basically. My reasons for not wanting mass claims is we don't know if for instance a scum player has a role that is basically the Prince of Darkness role, or a vote rigger role, etc... that could let them end days instantly. This early in the game you have to assume until people start busting out their hidden power that mafia have the potential to autokill/mass damage a player based on their role, roleblock tons, fuck with votes, etc... You are right that strong analyzers are required and if all mafia does is blue snipe that leaves them a huge window to play however based on what the roles could be we may need those blue roles to win. Mass claiming before we have an idea of what powers the mafia has is dumb. Farther down the road when its slightly more clear with that they can do its not as bad but straight out of the gates its asking for a clusterfuck of chaos. Now on to other things Bum - Why didn't you take tryndamere like you wanted? The idea of everyone in the top 10 more or less taking the roles you outlined was pretty non existent and the person originally slated to take the role you changed to having his own plan. So why didn't you take the role you wanted? IE I am curious to know how apparently LSB got it when hes the last person in the draft order. Bum as for your case on Jcarls, I like it except for the first post you opted to use for it. Primarily because I don't think its likely for mafia to point out how good synergy of combos like blitz/nid are. I recognize that you said that post is what put him on your radar but its a very odd post to have come up when everything in it honestly feels town to me. IE my only issue with your case is where it started from. All the other points you raise seem good, but the initial starting place to me seems well, weird. Risen His play in this game so far compared to LXIII is completely diff. He started off the game with analyzing and asking questions in LXIII while here he has contributed absolutely nothing of value. This strikes me as completely weird and could very likely be scum. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=436086&user=Risen http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=434275&user=Risen | ||
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jcarlsoniv
United States27922 Posts
On December 03 2013 00:15 Oatsmaster wrote: Its the feels yo. Why dont you feeeeeel it. I feel it. I know people aren't looking at him because he is usually aggressive (apparently), but his filter feels like just aggression to a whole bunch of different people. Then there are a few odd things: On December 02 2013 08:54 geript wrote: Mass claim is bad imo. Makes grabbing specific roles significantly more powerful ie. Warwick. On December 02 2013 09:20 geript wrote: I don't disagree that a mass claim is bad at some point. I don't think that point is just after roles are chosen. Two directly contradictory posts. There hasn't been a whole lot to look at since. ------------------------------------- Rayn - I still don't understand where half of your reads are coming from. Like, I see a little brief reasoning for some of them, but you're seeing things I'm not or you're drawing from past experiences and using gut reads off of very little. There are things I disagree with in your townie lists. I put my target on you D0 because of this. That said, however - you have kept activity up and you seem to be working hard to do things right. I'm willing to acknowledge when I may have made a mistake. ------------------------------------- Concerning gtr - I agree with most of the negative points made against him. However, I have also been in the position of really wanting a power role, and being bummed and unmotivated when I didn't get one. I can especially see this as the case when there are so many cool powers to grab. I would want to see/hear more from him in general. ------------------------------------- Case against me - It's a fine case I guess, but it's wrong. I explained my early pinpointing of rayn above. You focus on my aggression, but don't blink at geript's? Again, maybe this is because he is known for it, but his was more widespread. Mine was really just focused at rayn. I did not change my opinion of speculating roles. Roffles implied that we really put in some time and nail down all the champs' extra abilities to try and strategize around it. I was pointing out that the DT roles were likely not all banned out and was considering some of the possible ones that could still be in - I thought it was relevant because scum was making an opaque push at getting rid of DTs. ------------------------------------ On December 02 2013 23:04 marvellosity wrote: sandroba, go flick through a couple of gtrsrs's towngames, I dare ya. My flick through jcarl's games was less definitive than I'd like. sorry I guess... I've been scum like, 2 or 3 times ever. | ||
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kushm4sta
United States8878 Posts
On December 03 2013 00:15 Kurumi wrote: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=436086&user=Kurumi http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=436086&user=jcarlsoniv http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=436086&user=gtrsrs thanks! kurumi: -He has a lot of thoughts from a mafia perspective, like what heroes are the best for mafia. -Refers to the last PYP, which is a safe discussion topic for mafia. -Mechanics focused discussion about massclaiming (more excusable in pyp i guess) -light suspicion on mocsta. It's really generic and lacks substance. On December 02 2013 23:51 Kurumi wrote:As for Mocsta one big thing that stands out is that he asks people for opinions but never does provide them himself... unless asked. Diving deeper. -this is only real content post. Notice the overfocus on warwick. On 3 out of 4 people he has no opinion at all. On MZ he give a meta scum read but immediately discounts it and says MZ can be read later because he posts a lot. Also his thing about the chainsaw defense is just lolz and makes no sense. On December 03 2013 00:13 Kurumi wrote: + Show Spoiler + Mig He can be ill till D2 for all I care. There is no way to get anything from his posts at all. BloodyC0bbler Not much to note besides being against a massclaim, but there is something interesting - he says that Warwick is not that good, because he has to know more to work. I think he started this Urgot wagon, which is pretty decent, he probably was a bus driver as well because of his ultimate in-game. He fought a little with the massclaim plan, but not much. Something is fishy, but he is laid-back in his posts so I am willing to give BC some leeway. Meapak_Ziphh Defends VE pretty hardcore, not much besides "I know him", makes a case on gtrsrs without any meta - posts found in my opinion are absolutely not what I've seen from gtrsrs. He does not care. He does whatever he wants. He shouts. He kicks. He bites. He wants to be in spotlight. He is never wrong. He is the man. Here, he is a tiny weenie potato. Something in the ground. MZ posts enough so I think his alignment will be known soon. As for now, I am a little interested why Mocsta defended gtrsrs and attacked MZ... Chainsaw defence? bumatlarge His case on jcarl is sound - that means, jcarl looks scummy. Bum was trying to coordinate things a little and saw Warwick as a threat. @bum, what do you think about gtrsrs and geript? KURUMI: SCUM JCARL: TOWN GTRSRS: TOWN (tooscummytobescum) | ||
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jcarlsoniv
United States27922 Posts
There has been very little defense of me up to this point, mostly people agreeing with bum's case on me. | ||
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jcarlsoniv
United States27922 Posts
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Kurumi
Poland6130 Posts
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kushm4sta
United States8878 Posts
@jcarl i guess you are kind of right in that there is a ban phase, but kurumi discusses what scum wants more than he dicusses what town wants. Kurumi is obsessed with warwick. He acts like anyone not wanting to ban warwick is automatically scummy because of how good warwick is for scum. This is an easy way for scum to generate fake suspicion, since it's logic is arrived at naturally when thinking from a scum point of view. | ||
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jcarlsoniv
United States27922 Posts
On December 03 2013 01:09 Kurumi wrote: Care to explain how "tooscummytobescum" makes sense? I take it as "too obviously scum to actually be scum". At this point, I somewhat agree, as I explained in my earlier post. He doesn't look town by any means, but I would like him to do, ya know, something before I actually form a full opinion. | ||
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Koshi
Belgium38797 Posts
##vote: Kurumi | ||
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marvellosity
United Kingdom36156 Posts
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jcarlsoniv
United States27922 Posts
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Kurumi
Poland6130 Posts
On December 03 2013 01:16 jcarlsoniv wrote: Kurumi - out of curiosity - why did you link your own filter to kush to look at? Probably to prove a point my mind tried to show me - kushm4sta does not care at all what he is going to read. | ||
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kushm4sta
United States8878 Posts
On December 01 2013 04:56 gtrsrs wrote: i will only play champs that i actually like in the game i don't care if it has a good power, i'm not playing viktor cause eff that guy This seems like townie anti-towniness. | ||
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kushm4sta
United States8878 Posts
On December 03 2013 01:17 Kurumi wrote: Probably to prove a point my mind tried to show me - kushm4sta does not care at all what he is going to read. huh what do you mean by this? you mean im scum or lazy? | ||
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VisceraEyes
United States21170 Posts
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VisceraEyes
United States21170 Posts
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Oatsmaster
United States16628 Posts
On December 03 2013 01:20 VisceraEyes wrote: I remember back when /I/ thought "tooscummytobescum" was actually a thing. Ooooh memories. Not anymore | ||
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jcarlsoniv
United States27922 Posts
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Kurumi
Poland6130 Posts
On December 03 2013 01:19 kushm4sta wrote: huh what do you mean by this? you mean im scum or lazy? Lazy scum. | ||
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