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On December 17 2013 23:03 raynpelikoneet wrote: I thought you were techincally mislynched once Mocsta. I dont coutn nomination mafia.  Its a weird mechanic and at the time we thought all 3 were town. I volunteered to be lynched out of the 3. But watever, second mislynch if you want to be like that. | ||
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JayB has done nothing all game except hop onto wagons with reasoning that has zero bearing on scum mentality and then hiding behind his claim of 'best mislynch NA". His push on me has been extremely scummy and hinges upon suspicion based on HP which I have gone over a million times has zero benefit to scum play -- even Risen agreed with this prior to his flip and hes a scum pro. ##Vote: JayBrundage (2) I have noticed over the past couple days that whenever a vet says "X" is scum, suddenly a bunch of people throw out their previous reads and start nodding their head. Yes, there is a lack of leadership this game - I suppose with Xmas many of us are busy. However, I urge that you all start using your head and think through for yourself what makes sense for this game. Being a vet, doesn't make your reasoning right. (3) I will address the Sandroba case below -- in my opinion this case is founded on "i don't like this guy cos of the way he wears pants on his hand". Well too bad, I already like the way I wear my pants. On December 17 2013 02:43 sandroba wrote: + Show Spoiler [case] + Okay I'm sorry I didn't push through with mig's last reads even though I thought they were likely correct. I got doubts when looking at the votes and picks and was too tired to think about the game. I bring you now the reason why mocsta is scum: First of all the post he made day 1 that made me look into him: On December 02 2013 14:50 Mocsta wrote: SS - Null. Most of his posts are setup speculation which is acceptable either alignment at this phase of the game. I admit I haven't played with a scum SS; but I also havent played with a pleasant one either. It makes me naturally assume something is different. Hes active though which is a good sign too. Yes, null. Geript - Soft town lean. Trolling Geript is null. But this Geript appears to be trying to push the thread into a certain direction - using reasoning vs slander. I also like that he is trying to make "look at me statements" to be noticed. He *wants* the attention. For this stage of the game I think thats pretty townie. OdinOfPergo - Null to soft scum lean Very setup oriented filter so i dont place a lot value in having activity. Half the stuff hes takling about I have no idea about because I'm not familiar with LoL. Hes also got an early Day0 obsession with Jay which hasn't relented, yet, he seems to be asking the opinion of others rather than talk to Jay to firm up a read?. This is kinda reminding me of how I approached Storrzerg in Mafia LXIII. Storrzerg - Null No idea, nothing really to work off Sandroba - Null Sandroba is known for good plans as town so its natural for him to easily receive buy-in // propose something conceived pre-game. Hes also known for lurking as scum. Hes given reasoning for lack of activity, so I think he will become pretty clear over the next 48hrs especially with roles being out. gtrsrs - Soft town lean I hate players like this. Troll. Its pretty light hearted, and the joke he made on Sandroba made me laugh, which is probably a good sign - as joviality is hard to fake. Most of the stuff is selfish setup talk which probably indicates town that will be useless to moving the thread forward i.e. the usual TL sign up these days.  Oatsmaster - ?? It looks like hes trying to stir the pot intentionally. He seriously couldnt think that SS vet idea was good... I honestly have no idea how to read this guy anymore, he used to have direction in his pushes as town. Tips?? Justanothertownie - Null to Soft scum lean He is uncharacteristically active/assertive. The games I played with JAT he was pretty timid. Here he is calling people stupid and just in general seems to be on edge. I find he also talks to Rayn as if auto-assuming Rayn is town. White knighting? This is a waste of a post with plenty of bullshit to go around. And more it follows the exact same formula as most of JL/MZ posting, a bullshit post on demand after being prompted for reads on people, but as you notice really evasive and not much conclusion to be derived from it. Then there is the MZ/mocsta fake discussion that I pointed out day 1 and you guys pretty much dismissed it or said that MZ was okay but mocsta looked scummy. You will have to check out their filters for it, because it's too long and I want to make this post objective. This is how it went down: Mocsta suddenly started calling MZ scum for fabricating reads on easy targets. MZ answered him after a while and explained his reads to him. Mocsta insisted on some points and required further explanation. MZ refrained to answer mocsta for a little while, then mocsta got mad and voted MZ. For whatever reason that 1 vote made MZ extremelly angry and he explained it all over. Mocsta didn't buy the explanation and said that the vote remains. MZ repeated the exact same explanation and suddenly mocsta was satisfied and moved his 1 vote. Now as I pointed out day 1 and you are all free to read it over that looked fake as fuck, both from MZ and mocsta end. It has scum fake discussion written all over it. The very next post mocsta made when he gets called out on his fake looking MZ argument he says he still not over the MZ issue and explains why he is still suspicious of MZ. But then he drops it and votes JL because "Definitely didnt like the way he talked about me. Felt like he was trying to +1 onto bullshit.". Can you see the bussing patern here? Then this post comes. Remember mocsta was adamant on MZ and now was voting another person he considered scum JL. On December 04 2013 00:01 Mocsta wrote: I don't find my play fits into any category of my usual standard, because I am barely playing. Like I said before I'm struggling due to the early game. Every filter I have read has so much setup talk and I just go "ugggh" Why can't I be a sheep for once? But now he is suddenly struggling and want to sheep someone, because "filter have so much setup talk" that he can't get a solid scum read? Really, he seemed pretty conviced about MZ and was asking people about JL. Now he wants not to be noticed anymore. As a mater of fact go back and read the post in which he unvotes JL and moves his vote to Bum. If it weren't for the votes in that post you would think mocsta was actually voting JL and had his doubts about bum being scum, but that's not what happens: On December 04 2013 01:07 Mocsta wrote: ##Unvote jonnylaw First off, I think he "stole" my hero - so I might be prejudiced. Reading his filter I'm at loggerheads. - I cant follow his reads mid Day1 - they read like checklists and with some of the reads I dont even know if the lean is town or null. - I find him to be a lot more direct/assertive during the pick phase. Coupled with the point above I find pretty scummy. - Has a read on OWB/Kush.. that is weird. On one hand he is making some effort in his filter to push it, and on the other hand I don't feel he is making an effort to strengthen his read by talking to Kush. - I do like how he plays early Day 1 with Geript/Jay. It felt like he was stopping that feud and then tried to generate discussion with the right level of assertiveness. - I also misread him earlier when I said he +1'd me. That was prob OMGUS of me. Having said that, I dont see why it is relevant to call me out for making excuses. Doesn't take it anywhere either. Overall I think he has good potential to be scum. I really want to see him push his prime read (Kush) more. + I'm not sure if knowing he is a newbie is affecting my read. Bumatlarge I dont like this post. To me its overplayed enthusiasm. Realistically, did my vote make a difference to the outcome? I just dont see the point to it other than filler. - I noticed in his list of heroes split into town/defensive/mafia that my hero is not listed - even though it had KP. This makes me wonder what else was left out? Prob a null point, with so many heroes its hard to keep on top of them all. I don't like this. I never called jcarl scum. Ironically, I take issue with bum here for the blatant appeal to ego - I'm struggling to follow his train of thought. Still very setup focused - I dont get his stance on JL. Regarding the accidental vote, I'm not even sure if Bum is reading carefully if he points this out as non-accidental? - His read on LSB (who I haven't read yet) looks like hes leaving himself a backdoor. - I dont see where the Geript reads materialised? - I do like how persistent he is with Jcarl, but I dont know why he is so *certain* of this read. It felt really odd in tone to be included with his SK retort. Overall I'm really struggling to understand his line of thought/reasoning. Pick Phase he read like an excited kid gleefully figuring out which present to unwrap on Christmas Day. Im not getting that anymore. I think its unusual for town to be so stubborn on a lynch candidate this early. I think he also backpedaled his read on LSB when pressured by Marv in a scummy/wishy-washy way. I'm really disliking the continued setup speculation about powers and ultimates etc as well. Yeah, I can definitely vote this slot. ##Vote: Bumatlarge LSB - Vote on me is terrible. At least he dropped it without pressure. I'm really struggling to read his filter. Its painful. I disagree with what he is doing on so many levels (role fishing, policy lynching, list summaries) but at the same time I can't imagine a scum player being this ballsy. Surely it would have to set a precedent for bold play. Considering he was onto bum quite early; i dont see why scum would need to bus. so i am kinda association reading him as town. This is a very strong indication mocsta is scum. I really have no doubts in my mind anymore, but it gets better. You can all read Day 2 where suddenly mocsta is over MZ being scum and is pushing austin for most of the day along side with saying that JL is scum with him, but not pushing JL. Austin has to convince mocsta to vote MZ, his original scum read that nobody knows why he has forgotten about, after much talk. Guess who else mocsta had a personal fake looking discussion with? That's right. And notice that's pretty out of character from JL if you read his other posts: On December 09 2013 11:31 Mocsta wrote: Nope? Your in my top 3 scum reads. Its called pressure. If I'm being offensive, let me know and I can try tone it down a dial. Works pretty stressful this time of year, so maybe its carrying through - dunno. On December 09 2013 11:50 JonnyLaw wrote: Mocsta you don't offend me. Your posting style just comes off nervous and pushy rather than leading and convincing. What I said wasn't referring to your pressure. That's fine. Coag could be scum. That's what I said. Roffles could be scum. Voting yourself and throwing out random damage are both scummy. Mig's doing the same thing. Comes in, drops some damage and posts a bit of nothing then leaves. I don't know how to differentiate between the behavior of those three. This becomes more difficult since I don't think kush is scum. He seems misguided but his posts feel genuine, unlike your posting. Now remeber that mocsta was like JL is the scummiest of all, said it many times day 2, but never tried to get him lynched. What's the first thing he does day 3? Even after coag bombs mkfuba? Goes ahead and vote kushmaster. What in the fuck?? Where did your fucking JL read go that you go ahead and throw it out the window and votes kush? But when we finally call for a JL shot guess what happens? This post comes: On December 11 2013 09:58 Mocsta wrote: This game seriously... *I* have been pushing for a JL lynch since Day fucking One, and everyone disses it -- even when a flipped townie came to the same conclusion as me. Like fuck this. My case on JL hasn't changed because hes done *NOTHING* since. The case simply can not evolve; and now suddenly you guys want to shoot him. don't get me wrong, *PLEASE SHOOT/LYNCH HIM* but this is fucking frustrating. In my opinion: The real question should be: With towns limited KP, who do we want to lynch next cycle. Because there is zero value to shooting someone to 50% and then lynching them.... Thus, to shoot JL we need a solid alternative to consider lynching next cycle. e.g. Kush or LSB So either Shoot JL and lynch 1 of {Kush, LSB} or Shoot 1 of {Kush, LSB} and lynch JL I prefer lynching JL, because I am very confident he is scum. So I advocate shooting someone like LSB --> because he is of higher value to scum as a hero than a VT Kush Seriously shouldn't you be glad that we just lynched scum and we are shooting your top scum read? No he is apparently pissed off because we are shooting JL for the wrong reasons. Does not compute. Makes no sense. He wants us to not shoot JL. WTF #2. And then comes double lynch day when mocsta delivers this gem, where he has every reason to vote MZ, HIS ORIGINAL DAY 1 AND 2 READ, but he can't do it because of the 3 way day 2. He doesn't look into the voting, or anything, he just can't do it. On December 12 2013 15:59 Mocsta wrote: Vote (1): Kush - Guy was campaigning to save Coag using faulty logic and just enough wishy-washyness to allow him to move his vote as required. Tush never talks about JL except for a very bizarre spoiled post: This itself is a very awkward exchange and reads quite forced to me. Kush then proceeds to list him as a scum read *ONLY* when hes become a popular choice; never commenting that I have been gunning for JL since Day dot (and as I am Kush's prime scum read, this should have occured) Vote (2): Between LSB, MZ, Risen Risen - Has JK power, so may have been a source of scum RB --> again, protecting JL was too obvious a move I think That aside, his contributions have been weak (which is probably a slight town lean for Risen) However, I don't understand why Rayn thought Risen is town from the mason logs. Its all Rayn saying "XYZ" and Risen saying "+1". Very rarely, if at all, does Risen contribute first. (which i think is a scum lean for anyone). Overall, Im pretty confused on Risen. I really would expect a scum Risen to be more vocal in general. If the team is full of "JL" though, hes probably demoralised?? I would think leave this guy alone till later. MZ - This ult thing is funny & i'm sick of him only coming into the thread when under pressure. Very similar attitude to jonny regarding thread input. I would seriously consider him as my second vote. But I can't get over the austin/roffles/MZ 3-way. In my head, all 3 horses were pretty even. If MZ is scum; I dont see why they wouldnt jump on Austin vs Roffles. This reads to me like they didnt care who was lynched, they just wanted an easy peace-out vote. LSB - Doesn't give a shit about the game. This is clear - its all token effort. Doesnt even follow up on his night action summaries - which was his only useful contribution. I just can't think of a pro for LSB in general. ##Vote: Kush ##Vote: LSB But obviously after MZ is pretty much gonne then he can do it. Now there is the obvious HP fumble (and further killing of mig when he could check mocsta hp) and the fact that Rayn got hit by 25 after taunting mocsta that no one can explain. Mafia just hit rayn for 25? To confuse us? How could they know that rayn would target a VT? Why was mocsta even hit for 150 in the first place? Many questions that don't have any good explanation to them except mocsta being mafia. And I think this is a pretty good job proving it. (1) Okay I'm sorry I didn't push through with mig's last reads even though I thought they were likely correct. I got doubts when looking at the votes and picks and was too tired to think about the game. I bring you now the reason why mocsta is scum: I don't even know how to respond to this because its such a ridiculous post to consider as scummy.First of all the post he made day 1 that made me look into him: This is a waste of a post with plenty of bullshit to go around. And more it follows the exact same formula as most of JL/MZ posting, a bullshit post on demand after being prompted for reads on people, but as you notice really evasive and not much conclusion to be derived from it. (a) Whilst you note that I was requested to produce these 8 reads by Rayn; what you ignore is that at this point in time, most of the players had zero posts after the pick phase. Further, I missed the first 48hrs of the game. (b) I stand by the above reads as 100% reasonable for that point in time. You are taking posts out of context for the information available at that time. (c) What you are doing is noting that scum respond to people when requested; and making a link that because I respond to people when requested I must be scum too. This is bullshit logic. If you want to argue that you don't like my post in general, fine. We can agree to disagree. However, this is not indicative of scum mentality and therefore is alignment-null at worst. (2) Then there is the MZ/mocsta fake discussion that I pointed out day 1 and you guys pretty much dismissed it or said that MZ was okay but mocsta looked scummy. You will have to check out their filters for it, because it's too long and I want to make this post objective. This is how it went down: Mocsta suddenly started calling MZ scum for fabricating reads on easy targets. This has already been explained in detail: I just came out of a scum game where I made an early case on someone for exhibiting poor play vs scum mentality. I thought MZ was taking the same approach and pressured him heavily regarding this. MZ answered him after a while and explained his reads to him. Mocsta insisted on some points and required further explanation. Agreed MZ refrained to answer mocsta for a little while, then mocsta got mad and voted MZ. Incorrect. Firstly, MZ was ignoring me whilst answering all other questions directed at him. This is a convenient oversight by you. Secondly, this is how i pressure people, if you don't like it, fine. But thats how I play the game as either alignment. Lastly, you don't even consider that perhaps MZ was actually ignoring me because I was on the money and was trying to divert correct early attention. For whatever reason that 1 vote made MZ extremelly angry and he explained it all over. Mocsta didn't buy the explanation and said that the vote remains. Of course my vote made him respond in haste. What scum wants early pressure on them? When you factor in that I was the only person that read MZ correctly in his last game (sicilian) this definitely adds up. MZ repeated the exact same explanation and suddenly mocsta was satisfied and moved his 1 vote. This is a gross exaggeration. MZ in his second retort, made me realise one of my arguments was contradictory. This made me question the legitimacy of my read in the first place. Further, I did not move my vote until the next day to which it was moved onto Jonny based on his play. Do you actually read my filter? Are you now going to tell me that I went from bussing MZ into bussing JL -- even though I abhor and detest bussing? You don't even consider that you thought the discussion was fake because it was MZ trying to bullshit the thread. Fact: I bussed Grack in Mafia LXIII so hard, everyone thought he was confirmed town when I flipped. What this means is, if MZ and I were scum-to-scum like you are imagining; you would think *HE* was faking it. Not me. Take that as WIFOM I don't care. I don't bus often, but when i do - I don't fuck around. (3) Now as I pointed out day 1 and you are all free to read it over that looked fake as fuck, both from MZ and mocsta end. It has scum fake discussion written all over it. The very next post mocsta made when he gets called out on his fake looking MZ argument he says he still not over the MZ issue and explains why he is still suspicious of MZ. But then he drops it and votes JL because "Definitely didnt like the way he talked about me. Felt like he was trying to +1 onto bullshit.". Can you see the bussing patern here? What has any of this got to do with pushing a scum agenda?(a) Are you telling me its scummy to be transparent about my suspicions? Yes, I found MZ suspicious, and JL even more suspicious. Why does this make me scum over anybody else that could have thought the same. If anything, this is town indicative for me. Anyone that plays with me knows this is how I play and vote. (4) Then this post comes. Remember mocsta was adamant on MZ and now was voting another person he considered scum JL. This is a load of tunneled crap.But now he is suddenly struggling and want to sheep someone, because "filter have so much setup talk" that he can't get a solid scum read? Really, he seemed pretty conviced about MZ and was asking people about JL. Now he wants not to be noticed anymore. Further, its already been discussed and conveniently ignored by you. (1) I don't get all the theme talk, hero talk (2) I'm a VT (3) I went after people I thought was scum; and *NOT* only was I shut down repeatedly, but then people questioned my motives. (4) I just came out of a game where I nailed the whole scum team; and town called me scum for it. 1+2+3+4 = demotivation to play. Of course you jump to the conclusion of wanting to "not be noticed anymore" but.. then why do I have a 22 page filter that is full of my pushing my own reads. Confirmation Bias is the answer. (5) As a mater of fact go back and read the post in which he unvotes JL and moves his vote to Bum. If it weren't for the votes in that post you would think mocsta was actually voting JL and had his doubts about bum being scum, but that's not what happens: This is a very strong indication mocsta is scum. I really have no doubts in my mind anymore, but it gets better. Its pretty clear from this post I thought all 3 were scum. Why is it scummy to drop my suspicion of one read (JL) to pursue an alternative lead? Let me guess, if I kept my vote on JL, you would now call me scum for not wanting to be on the Bum mislynch. Bad logic that forces me into a lose-lose situation. (6) You can all read Day 2 where suddenly mocsta is over MZ being scum and is pushing austin for most of the day along side with saying that JL is scum with him, but not pushing JL. Austin has to convince mocsta to vote MZ, his original scum read that nobody knows why he has forgotten about, after much talk. You are saying here that it is scummy for me to have changed a read on a now flipped scummer. Again, a lose-lose situation that is ridiculous and completely plausible from a town point of view.The fact remains as you pointed it out: Austin convinced me about MZ. Are you now going to purport this was a fake interaction as well? Extending the above, You don't even consider the scum benefits of these heroes. MZ - RB power JL - 50% hp reduction + stealth kills. These are *GOOD* scum heroes... yet me, who hates bussing, in your story goes after *BOTH* of them. This is starting to get extremely irritating. Everything you are pointing out is precisely why I am town. (7) Guess who else mocsta had a personal fake looking discussion with? That's right. And notice that's pretty out of character from JL if you read his other posts: LOL. Hes scum and trying to discredit me to get me off his tail; and you are saying this is forced? This is what scum do lolThere is a perfectly good reason why I wrote the comment about being offensive, and its not alignment indicative. Did you read the BttB post-game that occured during the time of this post? (8) Now remeber that mocsta was like JL is the scummiest of all, said it many times day 2, but never tried to get him lynched. What's the first thing he does day 3? Even after coag bombs mkfuba? Goes ahead and vote kushmaster. What in the fuck?? Where did your fucking JL read go that you go ahead and throw it out the window and votes kush? Firstly, this is my vote on Kush in question.On December 11 2013 13:05 Mocsta wrote: LOL Even if I was put at gun point and forced to even consider the notion that you are town, we get the following: If you were town: this post is the definition of confirmation biased. You could argue your interpretation of my filter changed as context in the game developed. But, this never happens. Because you are scum: this post is the definition of a discredit campaign. Because again, you shit on my name and provide nothing to back it up other than weak arguments that have been easily refuted. Yelling out something is a "scum slip"; does not make it a "scum slip". So I get to the simple solution (1) You are scum --> I am right about you, JL, LSB (2) I assume: I was shot with remaining scum KP (hopefully this will be confirmed by dmg claims) I'm done with this. JL can be finished with KP. You're next. ##Vote: TushMasta-b8r You are clearly twisting stories now. (1) I did try to get JL lynched and was ignored on multiple efforts. (2) I thought Kush was scum and still do. Why am I scummy for this? Kush was running a discredit campaign on me as he has done all game. I play the game by pushing my best read if there is only one, or the read I think can be lynched if there is multiple. You can call me scum as much as you like for this, but until you demonstrate why others that do the same are *not* scum....then you are double-standards/confirmation biased and have zero credibility. (9) But when we finally call for a JL shot guess what happens? This post comes: This is now retarded. My message is clear. Why would you waste limited town KP on someone you are going to lynch. People (such as yourself) had not explained their ultimates and we had no idea there was enough KP to be able to finish off JL.Seriously shouldn't you be glad that we just lynched scum and we are shooting your top scum read? No he is apparently pissed off because we are shooting JL for the wrong reasons. Does not compute. Makes no sense. He wants us to not shoot JL. WTF #2. Thus, I said you either shoot JL and do not lynch him; or you shoot someone else and lynch JL. Of course I would rather lynch JL, because it takes him out of the game a cycle earlier -- yet of course this is scummy according to you. And yes, I am going to be pissed off when I have had the best case in the game be repeatedly ignored because "i understand his thought process" and then town jumps onto his wagon because Sandroba says to. You seem to have even forgotten that before Bum took off, you were with me on JL..... Don't like it, tough luck. It doesn't make me scum; nor does it explain how I promote a scum agenda. (10) And then comes double lynch day when mocsta delivers this gem, where he has every reason to vote MZ, HIS ORIGINAL DAY 1 AND 2 READ, but he can't do it because of the 3 way day 2. He doesn't look into the voting, or anything, he just can't do it. LOL. I did go through the votes and in a lot of detail and believe it went down as I said. I still dont understand why Coag/JL would jump onto Roffles vs Austin; and its a completely legitimate reason to consider not voting someone. The fact is, the votes led to a MZ lynch that cycle *until* town Geript swapped votes to save MZ. But let me guess, hes scum too and theres a death miller in this game?But obviously after MZ is pretty much gonne then he can do it. (11) Now there is the obvious HP fumble (and further killing of mig when he could check mocsta hp) and the fact that Rayn got hit by 25 after taunting mocsta that no one can explain. Mafia just hit rayn for 25? To confuse us? How could they know that rayn would target a VT? Why was mocsta even hit for 150 in the first place? Many questions that don't have any good explanation to them except mocsta being mafia. And I think this is a pretty good job proving it. No, this case is terrible. People are biting at it because its the LARGEST case in the game. You dont explain shit for why there is scum motive.(1) HP fumble on what? THere is no fumble. and even if you want to purport its a lie; to what purpose? There is no gain as scum to lie about having 50kp. As I said before, even pro-scum risen agreed with this moments before his flip. (2) Rayn thinks mafia hit him for 25kp twice to confuse him. Why is this so far beyond your comprehension? (3) Why was I hit for 150kp.. maybe cos my reads have been on the right track with JL and Kush.... (4) Mig could have been shot to frame me.. or the more plausible explanation because he started giving a shit about the game and trying to drive it forward. He accused lots of people before he died including people as SK. That you focus his death solely on me is terribad and opportunistic to suit your story. None of what you said explains why I am mafia. MOst of it clearly explains why I am disgruntled town this game. I'm sick of putting up with this bullshit and this is now becoming no different to last game. This case boils down to you agreeing with Mig about HP anomalies --> scum motivation and then building a case to support that notion. This is clear by your position in the last point. My vote stays on JayB. (and it has nothing to do with that Rayn taunted him and also received 25kp) | ||
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On December 18 2013 00:25 justanothertownie wrote: I think you 2 should stop this tbh. I agree. I think both are town. Koshi can be useless as town rayn, you know this. Its plausible that koshis inventions are sub-par as a by product of his early rejection/modification of the big list of inventions. + the MZ stuff is pretty tight i think. Rayn was town early game and has given low fucks for a while. The 900kp claim + lack of any other big dmg is making him look pretty townie. I dont think this convo is productive gents. I addressed sandroba case and going to bed now. | ||
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This shit about the marksman is so fucking dumb. Its from my character role PM. Here is Geript's: Welcome to LEAGUE OF LEGENDS PYP MAFIA! You are Town! You are Uzi! Hey there little puppy! You're the youngest player on Royal Club, and the Marksman, and during the S3 world finals it frequently fell on you to carry your team. The motto of royal club is such: raise the puppy, protect the puppy, and then ride the puppy into glorious combat and watch as it maims it's victims. NOW GO, BECOME A LARGE PUPPY AND WIN FOR TOWN! I will address everything else when I get back to work. Everything I read is complete conjecture and absolute bullshit. I am not a fucking caster minion full stop. VT roles are randomized and 50kp is not going to kill anyone. Sandroba says why are scum not pushing it harder... well what the fuck is he and JayB doing? Sandroba even admits he refuses to read my case rebuttle that others admitted was solid. Sandroba is scum and I will outline this later in the day when I have time. Get your dumb votes off me. If I was scum, it certainly would not be for fucking lying about a VT role that either alignment can have. This is the stupidest push I have ever seen in a game of mafia that is based purely on conjecture. I go back to this: On December 18 2013 00:29 Mocsta wrote: (2) I have noticed over the past couple days that whenever a vet says "X" is scum, suddenly a bunch of people throw out their previous reads and start nodding their head. Yes, there is a lack of leadership this game - I suppose with Xmas many of us are busy. However, I urge that you all start using your head and think through for yourself what makes sense for this game. Being a vet, doesn't make your reasoning right. | ||
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On December 18 2013 08:26 Koshi wrote: Let's see how this woks out if you are a "1.15k creep" 1) Mocsta rolls siege creep (likely as in 1/3) I assume you mean tank minion 2) Mocsta tells the thread he is a VT with 1k hp. (could be explained that people lie about hp as town) Correct, or short-hand typing 3) Mocsta gets 150 damage and has now 1k hp, tells the thread this can be checked by Mig) Correct. I am currently 875hp 4) rayn taunts Mocsta and gets 25 damage (???????????????????) (Risen is not scum so he didn't tell it) Correct. Why does this gurantee the dmg is from me? 5) Mig dies, but scum is not pushing Mocsta even though this is why Mig is stacked? (How fast was Risen being misslynched previous day? Scum holding Mocsta lynch for later?)I have already explained that (1) Mig was giving a shit about the game and starting to give impetus to the thread (2) He was accusing a lot of people of being scum/SK. Not just me (3) What is this shit about scum not pushign Me about the HP... *PLENTY* of people have, why can't that be scum pushing me. (4) Its just as plausible to frame me with the kill - hence why i havent been shot further Also quite strange. The only thing that is strange about all of this is that its become an issue that people are now voting over. There is 380 pages of thread, and this is the best you all can come up with near MYLO? Seriously, there are 10 players in the game and we actually are potentially in MYLO. Based on flavor, people are suggesting: 7 town, 3 scum jcarlsoniv - no dmg kushm4sta - no dmg raynpelikoneet - almost dead Mocsta - low dmg Oatsmaster - no dmg supersoft - medium dmg jaybrundage - low dmg Koshi - low-medium dmg justanothertownie - no dmg sandroba - no dmg Scum shot me before before any of this HP shit became an issue. Since then, there is no need to shoot me as all you monkeys keep yelling suddenly I am scum. And now they are rotating spare KP around from me -> SS -> Koshi; hedging their bets and giving flexibility on kills. If im lynched it goes to 6-3. SS + Koshi + Rayn could all be potentially killed in 1 night and the game is over. Seriously I have zero fucking reason to lie about my VT role - its fuckn randomised and not alignment indicative. Scum started with at least 1100kp before... 50kp is fucking insignificant to cause this much dispute. FFS... scum play is about blending in, not sticking out for shit like this. As I said in the sandroba case, you are all attacking me for not wearing my pants on my head the way you do. This rarely results in a scum lynch. You can't even explain why this benefits a scum agenda. With Rayns taunt. Did you ever consider that everyone knows rayn goes tunnel ballistic and mafia tried to set someone up? FFS.. I even asked rayn who he taunted. I had no fear of the outcome because im not a fucking caster minion. | ||
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On December 18 2013 08:55 jaybrundage wrote: by character name i mean the player name. I already did. Im some guy on team alternate. a lord something. | ||
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On December 18 2013 09:24 sandroba wrote: I just googled that lord something and apparently he is AP carry. May you explains to us where this marksman thing appears in your role pm? (1) Playing for Team Alternate. (2) Claim to fame: - constantly at top of the ladder in season 2 (3) Ppl refer to me by ELO (4) Not on successful teams, however many agree i am the best "marksman" in Europe It says marksman..... | ||
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On December 18 2013 09:51 sandroba wrote: sorry google says you are lying Is the rest true? Theres at least 30 role PMs + fake claims which will have to be in the game. Its completely plausible that the host made a typo. I dont even get the big deal.. its flavour | ||
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On December 18 2013 10:03 sandroba wrote: Too many coincidences which have no explanation other than you being scum somehow all happen to you right mocsta. LOL.. because scum intentionally play to be caught out with things like this. This is so bad from you. Scum always have their bases covered with this type of shit. I go back to what I said originally On December 18 2013 00:29 Mocsta wrote: (3) I will address the Sandroba case below -- in my opinion this case is founded on "i don't like this guy cos of the way he wears pants on his hand". Well too bad, I already like the way I wear my pants. | ||
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On December 18 2013 10:26 sandroba wrote: Those were about heroes.. things that hold value and influence the game.Yes because obviously MZ's and coag's claims were so good and well contructed. And yeah JL could pull off an amazing claim too. In my case we are dealing with trivial items that  O NOT* influence the game.They are not comparable, regardless of how true you want it to be. | ||
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http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=436086¤tpage=376#7519 My responds to the garbage said overnight: On December 18 2013 02:29 sandroba wrote: Of course what I write matters matters. I am town and have not flipped. This is the scummiest way possible to discredit everything I am responding to.It doesn't matter what mocsta types right now, what does matter is how he behaved throughout the game. It's a simple excercise to find rational for stuff already done. The way he behaved, as proven by that giant post I typed simply could not have come from a townie mentality. Please stop dicking around and let's lynch this man. Further, I already proved your case did not detail anything that suggests I am mafia, or promoting a scum agenda. Your case is based purely on the assertion of HP claims which are insignificant towards a scum victory. On December 18 2013 02:43 sandroba wrote: Incorrect.Mocsta, despite whatever he says didn't go after JL or MZ. In fact, despite calling them both scum pretty early didn't make any solid case or push to get them lynched and when they were an option he didn't vote MZ until he was done and was against the shot on JL. I made a solid case on JL and was consistently pushing him and bringing his name up to people influential in the thread. Regarding MZ, we are on different time zones... and I have already said I am busy. Just because I did not vote someone when you want me to, does not make me scum. I provided detailed reasons for why I prefered a JL lynch vs shot and you have completely ignored them. Let me repeat: we never had knowledge that there was enough town KP to kill JL in one fell swoop. My actions were promoting an earlier JL death. On December 18 2013 02:50 kushm4sta wrote: Even my biggest detractor realises that you are not calling me scummy for genuine reasons.haha mocsta didn't even read your long ass defense. read the sig btw i know sandroba's case is garbage. I didn't want to say anything because I agreed with its conclusions. Sandroba's claim to fame has never been making cases. He has good "feel" reads, and currently he's lost his feel. That does not matter at this point though, since people respect him and they will listen to him and you will get lynched. Maybe jayb then you but still you get lynched. BTW ZERO POINT ZERO credit for this jayb bus, mocsta. On December 18 2013 03:12 sandroba wrote: For someone that finds me scummy. Its pretty clear in my filter.@mocsta kush is giving me a bad feeling and I'll listen to what you have to say. besides kush, who do you think is the rest of the mafia team? http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=436086¤tpage=374#7467 On December 18 2013 03:31 Koshi wrote: Bingo.... Sandroba conveniently glosses over this.It's also not that he talks to this scums like he knows that they are scum. He just interacts with them and tries to figure them out. On December 18 2013 03:54 sandroba wrote: The red = tunnel syndromeAnd regarding the taunt, I really can't get passed that. Risen claimed he would be shielding both rayn/risen or himself. rayn taunts mocsta. Mafia has no way of knowing that unless rayn is mafia. But if rayn is mafia he knew Risen was suppose to shield them and there is no point hitting for 25dmg, as that damage would never be even noticed. So either mafia randomly wasted 25 damage on Rayn or Risen for no purpose (can't be another mafia VT since VTs shoot for 50 and unless taunted the damage should not be halved) or he taunted it off mocsta. That's the only 2 possible explanations and one is way more likely than the other. As for plausibility of the two scenarios. Night 3 when Rayn taunted me... the following died: ticklishmusic, visceraEyes, mkfuba. Its completely plausible scum burned a majority of their KP on those 3 and had pittance left and decided to use it on Rayn to fake a taunt. On December 18 2013 03:57 Koshi wrote: Regarding this, its laziness/demotivation.Does anybody with LoL knowledge know what this could be? I got my pick selection PM and it showed immediately I wasnt blue/fiddlesticks. I didnt care about the rest of it. I saw the start (Green text) and then saw the end (HP). I remembered I was a marksman and told him that. Was too lazy to check and everything was over my head anyways. On December 18 2013 03:58 sandroba wrote: Firstly, people have jumped all over me for this which directly contradicts what you just wrote.If mafia's plan was to frame someone I believe they would have pushed the issue but I see not a single mention of this in flipped scum's filter. The fact that mafia didn't jump on mocsta for that is alarming by itself. And if it were a frame it would likely not even be noticed since Risen was suppose to shield them both. Secondly, Rayn is known for hard tunneling. Its completely plausible scum were happy to let Rayn do "his thing" Thirdly, when Rayn was pushing me about it, I explained myself in clear detail. I know I am not a fucking caster minion. Lastly, its completely possible scum had little KP remaining (as i explained above) and decided to burn it on Rayn for "fun" - turns out it paid off. Realistically, what is 25kp going to do to anyone.... On December 18 2013 04:22 sandroba wrote: Wrong. I said I took dmg; and when Rayn brought up the taunt thing. I explained that if mig shot me I woudl stil have more HP than a caster minion. I never changed any claim.@kush any good explanation for what happened? Mocsta only changed his claim to tank after the taunt thing iirc. On December 18 2013 05:18 jcarlsoniv wrote: Bingo....This is exactly what I was about to say. Look at all the vt flips - people have all been given pro players as their identities. I think it's entirely plausible that Mocsta's player description mentions marksmen. On December 18 2013 05:26 sandroba wrote: Espousing more rubbish to discredit me.The thing is jat, he only started lying after rayn said he taunted someone and was hit by 25dmg. Then he changed his story from being "marksman" with 1k hp to tank minion with 1.15k hp. Even though previously when directly asked wether he was tank minion he apparently he had no clue what that means. Firstly you have no proof of a lie. Secondly, yes, I didnt know which minion I was specifically. Why is this scummy? The crux of your case against me has never delved into scum motivation for any actions. You are purely riding Migs coat tails. On December 18 2013 05:31 justanothertownie wrote: Exactly. Someone is thinking.I will have to think about this further but it still makes no sense to me that Mocsta as scum would lie about which VT role he has. High risk and little to no reward. There is fuck all difference between shooting someone for 950kp or 900+50kp. Sandroba says otherwise and I disagree vehemently. On December 18 2013 05:39 jaybrundage wrote: Rubbish. MZ blocked the invention + Mig. He had a good reason to lie about his power.It was high risk for MZ to make up some bull shit about his ability but he did it. 50 extra KP is 50 extra KP that town has no control over. It maybe not be the smartest move from the risk reward standpoint. But it is an advantage if they can get away with it, granted a small one. If you want to go along the lines that 50kp is a small advantage nonetheless; than the movers also have a reason to lie because scum could have moved targets they wanted to maximise dmg for Coags nuke. This is jsut getting stupid. Flips have shown a 850-1200hp range. 50kp is not the factor between killing someone or not. On December 18 2013 05:42 raynpelikoneet wrote: We are potentially in MYLO. This is not the best thing.##Unvote: ##Vote: Mocsta Unless there is some stupid unnaccounted 25 dmg on someone from N2 (ambulance radio) this is the best thing. The 25kp can easily be explained by remnant kp after killing 3 people night 3. Or it can be explained by trying to get you into a tunnel. I fuckn asked you who you taunted. Dont you think if I was a caster minion, that I would have played out our convo differently? I had no idea you taunted me; nor did I ever think it could come from me. Im not a caster minion. On December 18 2013 06:13 justanothertownie wrote: If this is the case: why did you take 25 dmg the night you taunted jay who also claimed tank VT? Those can't come from a caster minion Mocsta. On December 18 2013 06:22 sandroba wrote: LOL... anything to satisfy your story sandroba. Of course after ther incident happen mafia has a reason to randomly hit rayn for 25 dmg. But in the night rayn was supposedly shielded and mafia could never know he would taunt mocsta it makes no fucking sense. Please use your head jat. Yes, I agree the followup 25kp is meaningless. However the 25kp from my taunt is completely plausible for situations you refuse to consider. On December 18 2013 06:30 sandroba wrote: This is the way you would do it. I already explained my actions.Don't you understand that is in mafia best interest to keep information from town? And if mocsta shot at previous night on the people that got killed or any one looking town he would have a hard time explaining it? That's the way you would do it if you got mafia caster minion, it doesn't mean that's the way mocsta did it in the previous night. And if you remember mocsta didn't say which type of minion he was when directly asked about it by Odin. I also already explained what I would do as scum if I was a caster minion. I stand by that. We have different philosophies.. get over it. On December 18 2013 06:33 justanothertownie wrote: Exactly. High risk for little reward. I do not play scum like this; nor does anyone that is considered good at scum.No, that's not the way I would do it. Why would he shoot at people that get killed with his 50 KP? He KNOWS who will be killed as scum. Just shoot someone else. On December 18 2013 06:43 sandroba wrote: Once again, you dont like the way I wear my pants on my head. I don tplay the game the same as you; and you havent explained at all why this benefits scum agenda.sigh it's hard to talk to you. At N1 and N2 mocsta had not claimed which type of VT he was. He has no reason to do so as mafia unless pressed about it. He was asked about it by odin and dismissed the question saying something about marksman. Now why would he shoot some lurkers with his 50kp? That would be hard to justify as town mocsta since he was saying JL and MZ were scum and they didn't take any extra damage as you can see in the ambulance radio. How can he justify have shot someone else? He can't, so when 50kp got taunted off him when he was finally pressed about which type of VT he was he changes his claim to tank minion who has no KP (since again, he cant justify not shooting MZ or JL). But wait, tank minion actually has 1.15k hp as opposed to what mocsta claimed 1k hp. No problem he just says he has 1.15k and said 1k because it was too damn long to type. On December 18 2013 06:46 sandroba wrote: Disagree. Night1 there was every incentive to claim caster as nobody knew hero selections and/or ultimates. Chezinu was a watcher and could have easily caught a caster that didnt claim. Again, high risk, for only 50kp.... your story doesnt hold up.Mafia likely has xxxx factional kp. Mocsta wasting it on lurkers which mafia has no desire to kill acomplishes nothing and doesn't buy mocsta any town cred. The best course of action is to not say you have kp at all and contribute your kp to mafia objectives. On December 18 2013 07:16 sandroba wrote: It doesnt add up as I have already explainedOkay scratch that let me explain it again because I said under instead of over. 1)Mocsta realises mig can check people's HP. Claims 150 dmg so he can be sitting at his original HP amount. 2)Rayn claims the 25dmg, mocsta realises what went on and changes his claim to tank minion because that can't be easily confirmed. 3)If mig survives and checks mocsta he and finds 725hp mocsta simply says that he was hit by another 150 and his story can hold. Number 1 point is the only thing that explains mocsta suddenly taking 150dmg, because he is caster minion. Rayn getting hit by 25 is only explained by mocsta being caster minion also so there you have it. It all adds up. On December 18 2013 07:22 sandroba wrote: This is so stupid. Why wouldnt I make this claim night1 if all I wanted to do was fake being a caster minion.When mocsta claimed 150 damage he didn't know about rayn taking 25dmg. The plan was too keep the story about originally having 1k hp and now having 850 left, because again, that's his original amount of hp. But when rayn comes and claims 25dmg mocsta has to change his claim and that's why it became so convoluted and mocsta had to say 1.15k and tank minion. That wasn't the plan, he had to adapt and that's why he had to say he said his hp wrong in the first place. | ||
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Rayne taunt damage is most likely the byproduct of 3 nks that night with very little kp left over so they popped it there. If I was trying to fake claim caster with the dmg I took. I could have easily done it night 1. This is MYLO. Jayb is definitely the best lynch for today. Hands down. | ||
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This scum team already has 4 hardcore lurkers flipped and it's obvious from day dot that scum have let the actives fight each other. But.. This is nothing I haven't been saying for a couple days straight now. | ||
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I find it uncomprehendable for a townie to only have 2 points of discussion in a 380page thread. 1. Marv has a scary scum game 2. Mocsta is scum be a use of hp claims This is beyond bad town and is far beyond what you outputted in nomination mafia. As I said, every plausible com inaction of scum this game includes you. Thus you ARE the best lynch in MYLO | ||
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On December 18 2013 20:02 justanothertownie wrote: How do you know this is MYLO? With some crazy scum powers maybe but I don't see how you can be so sure about that as town. There seem to be ~ 1100 KP floating around. I sincerely doubt this is enough to kill 3 people (even damaged). Anyways your explanation for the dmg on Rayn is totally absurd to me. There were 3 nightkills. This means scum stacked many many KP on them but could they know it was enough to kill them? No. So why waste 25 KP randomly on rayn? To incriminate someone? How could they know Rayn wouldn't taunt one of them? This doesn't make anymore sense to me than you being a caster minion... Then there is this whole marksman story... I give up with this game. Go and lose. | ||
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On December 19 2013 06:41 raynpelikoneet wrote: Mocsta does not get mad at me as town anymore. I tried to make him mad in BttB but he didn't. In this game he got seriously mad at me when i accused him. I didn't like it. thats because uyou are dumb. I'm not a caster. I am sure you were shot for 25 because there was pittance kp left after 3 nks. its pretty obvious what the HP is for support heroes.... about 850, 900 yo be safe. if the best u can do is lynch me for an HP claim. thats so dumb. not one person has explained scum motivation for my actions. maybe jat, but he's already voted me and now looking at everything in its worst light. seems like games with you and me, I always get framed. so yeah I'm sour about this and don't give a fuck anymore. u r all desperate to lynch pants on head instead of scum and its your loss, I don't want anything to do with this anymore | ||
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but jcarl I would still lynch jayb because we are possibly in mylo and need yo hit the best case chance for scum. plans don't matter anymore | ||
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I spent hours responding to everything yesterday to be duly ignored. I'm not even a caster. I'm really a move creep. and that is no joke. I never wanted to claim it at the start cos it sounded powerful. when I got shot I said I had higher HP so scum would be less inclined yto keep shooting me. but whatevz, now the treuth is out of course I need to be lynched now. I understand that. but realise, u will all look stupid cos I definitely am not a caster | ||
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On December 19 2013 08:10 justanothertownie wrote: So now you are a move creep again... wtf. You want me to believe you said you had 150 more HP to trick scum? Sorry, but this sounds pretty unbelievable to me. again? I don't recall claiming that ever well I don't care if u believe it. ibrealise I have to be lynched regardless I'm saying I'm a move creep vt it will be confirmed in 3hrs | ||
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