EPTYou don't like the fact that I aggressively questioned koshi, that's basically it. Your entire case is based around one interaction which you seem to be willfully misinterpreting in order to call me scummy.
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Meapak_Ziphh
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You don't like the fact that I aggressively questioned koshi, that's basically it. Your entire case is based around one interaction which you seem to be willfully misinterpreting in order to call me scummy. | ||
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justanothertownie
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Mocsta
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On December 07 2013 00:50 justanothertownie wrote: That was noir. In Hogwarts I don't remember ever having a scumread on you. syllo thought I was scum. I only became confirmed through night actions anyways, its a silly point to hold me up on as we have played two games. and o nly one unread me clearly. like I said, none of those items u raised dictate scummentality. it just means we disagree on theory fundamentals. will reply tomorrow. sleep time for me | ||
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Meapak_Ziphh
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supersoft
Germany3729 Posts
On December 06 2013 23:51 ticklishmusic wrote: Damn everyone has different reads, time to put all this shit together to try a pattern or some sort of deviation. Super care to explain your read on me? http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=436086&user=ticklishmusic short filter. On December 01 2013 03:05 ticklishmusic wrote: So I'm noob to TL mafia, but shouldn't we be focusing more on bans than discussing "omg this vet behavior must be scum"? I agree with whoever said that we should probably just not ban Graves/ Talon/ obvious mafia roles and just lynch people who pick them. There are a couple combos for Mafia that are pretty nasty that we should bust though, like the Ashe + WW that was mentioned. So in any case, I'll: ## unvote ## vote ashe for now On December 03 2013 16:11 ticklishmusic wrote: And another cuz I need to boost dat post count Its like 3AM and Im going to bed. I'm new to TL Mafia, so I need to do a lot of background reading for past games instead of just clogging the thread with random stuff like I do in the TLLOLOTT so I'll be posting pretty infrequently. Might ramp up if 1. I don't die and 2. I get the hang of this filter thing.  where are the results from this backgroundreading besides some half assed things regarding kush? On December 04 2013 04:03 ticklishmusic wrote: at first it was because i was new to this kind of mafia and didn't understand 100% how everything worked. and then it was kind of that i was too lazy to strategically plan out what place i wanted, because i didn't actually care all that much about what champ i got. since it was the end-ish of thanksgiving break for me, i've also been travelling around a lot-- i've been ramping up my posting and reading a lot more since. i have never played a mafia game this complicated (to clarify because i'm sure you're going to grill me on this, i've played a lot of more traditional mafia before) so i would have been perfectly fine with being vanilla townie/mafia/doctor/whatever straightforward role so i could focus on just analysis. /shrug your recent stuff looks much better though. My read on you is outdated. On December 06 2013 16:09 ticklishmusic wrote: My activity is spotty, but I'm definitely posting more casually and frequently as the game goes on and I get more comfortable. I'm also becoming slightly more invested with every post I make. you actually said that yourself. | ||
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justanothertownie
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On December 07 2013 00:53 Mocsta wrote: syllo thought I was scum. I only became confirmed through night actions anyways, its a silly point to hold me up on as we have played two games. and o nly one unread me clearly. like I said, none of those items u raised dictate scummentality. it just means we disagree on theory fundamentals. will reply tomorrow. sleep time for me Well I had the feeling you were pushing JL/defending Rean with bullshit reasoning which depending on their alignment may very well show scum mentality. | ||
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Mocsta
Australia9388 Posts
On December 07 2013 00:51 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: austin I am genuinely confused about your case on me. You don't like the fact that I aggressively questioned koshi, that's basically it. Your entire case is based around one interaction which you seem to be willfully misinterpreting in order to call me scummy. itsna lot more than that everything u do goes no where without explaining why it's dropped e.g? gtrsrs there's more. read the past 2 pages between Austin and me too hard to type it all | ||
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Koshi
Belgium38799 Posts
On December 07 2013 00:51 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: austin I am genuinely confused about your case on me. You don't like the fact that I aggressively questioned koshi, that's basically it. Your entire case is based around one interaction which you seem to be willfully misinterpreting in order to call me scummy. Wasn't much questioning going on. | ||
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geript
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On December 07 2013 00:51 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: austin I am genuinely confused about your case on me. You don't like the fact that I aggressively questioned koshi, that's basically it. Your entire case is based around one interaction which you seem to be willfully misinterpreting in order to call me scummy. I agree with you that I don't like all of Austin's case, but I still ended up finding you scummy for other reasons. Mind explaining those reads. | ||
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Mocsta
Australia9388 Posts
On December 07 2013 00:56 justanothertownie wrote: Well I had the feeling you were pushing JL/defending Rean with bullshit reasoning which depending on their alignment may very well show scum mentality. I stand by my reasoning on jl and especially on rean even Austin who thought rean was scummy came to a similar logic outcome. but yeah I can go into more detail tomorrow. sleeping for reals now | ||
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geript
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justanothertownie
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On December 07 2013 00:53 Mocsta wrote: syllo thought I was scum. I only became confirmed through night actions anyways, its a silly point to hold me up on as we have played two games. and o nly one unread me clearly. like I said, none of those items u raised dictate scummentality. it just means we disagree on theory fundamentals. will reply tomorrow. sleep time for me Tomorrow is before deadline for you, right? Actually I will put this on hold for now and concentrate on the current discussion (your MZ push looks far better) but I still want you to comment on the things I said. | ||
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Meapak_Ziphh
United States6786 Posts
On December 07 2013 00:56 Mocsta wrote: itsna lot more than that everything u do goes no where without explaining why it's dropped e.g? gtrsrs there's more. read the past 2 pages between Austin and me too hard to type it all When I brought up gtrsrs, nobody listened. When I brought up LSB nobody listened. When I brought up geript nobody listened. Pursuing a read is good but not to the extent that you constantly spam up the thread. If people aren't agreeing with me then I'll wait until I have more convincing evidence to make a case or the person appears town to me. In the case of gtrsrs and LSB, they've both been largely afk and I have nothing new to bring to the table on them. geript is looking a bit better to me. I want roffles and coag to die but they're lurkers so there's not much to say there. Also keep in mind when you say I've dropped things you're only talking about a 48 hour period or so, it's not like it's been a week and I've stopped talking about them. Finally no, there isn't more. All austin does is harp on the koshi thing which I've already said feels incredibly forced and like austin is willfully interpreting that as scummy rather than actually analyzing what happened and what I've said. | ||
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Mocsta
Australia9388 Posts
sat day is always. busy for me. sorry dude, if u really want a response I will turn a computer on, but honestly I think it can wait? will check back in 2 to see if u want me to go on comp. o/w night | ||
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Meapak_Ziphh
United States6786 Posts
@geript: what other reads? | ||
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Oatsmaster
United States16628 Posts
Lets not fucking lynch MZ, the towniest dude day 2. Nope. No. Stop. Right. Now. Lynch Roffles for not doing SHIT and just pointing stuff that looks 'bad' but not following up on anything, just content to sit back and chill out and watch town mislynch mz. | ||
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Oatsmaster
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justanothertownie
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On December 07 2013 01:04 Mocsta wrote: I prob won't be back till after deadline sat day is always. busy for me. sorry dude, if u really want a response I will turn a computer on, but honestly I think it can wait? will check back in 2 to see if u want me to go on comp. o/w night Don't feel the need to get on a computer just for this. Would be weird if you did so because of some points I brought up and not because there is a fucking lynch happening. | ||
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geript
10024 Posts
On December 06 2013 15:47 geript wrote: [/b]@Austin. Honestly I'm frustratingly mixed on MZ. Like I think you have a great point that he doesn't push his scumreads half as forcefully as he does his VE townread. Like that's you're best point. But I feel like I have a really good grasp on WoS (<3 you wubbybumpkins--except you know making my player Uzi is totally a bastard host move), so I can understand his faith in that read. But there's a point in the game where on D1 I'm a huge topic of issue but he doesn't follow up on it. It's like the perfect time to push me as scum and push me pretty hard as he likely could completely get away with it. On the reverse side, there's this post Which I really don't like. He comes to a similar-ish conclusion to Prome (who gave me a stronger townie lean), like I don't like the thought process like this coming out of a vet. As a counter point: People who are all over the place, to me, tend to read as town. Like it's very hard to bounce between reads as scum and continue to juggle that. This is a "tell" that I've seen be so true so often and, iirc, many "pros" tend to share. Next this is going to seem really weird to bring up, but I seem to have skimmed some important stuff. [insert Jay's post on VE] Here's 3 near instantaneous reactions Like when I saw MZ and Marv's interaction and had to go back and reread Jay's post, my reaction was literally just like Koshi's. "wow that makes jay look towny." MZ's reaction to Koshi seems really out of place and wrong. When good players read things completely differently that tends to be a warning flag for me. Another thing that really bothers me is this: This seems like a really weird reaction to me. It's always been true that I've seen town get other town modkilled. Perhaps MZ's experience is different, but LIX is a good example of where Toadestern and somebody else ended up getting modkilled because other town brought up the rules and stuff and pushed it. In general, town tends to push other town to get modkilled and not the other way around so it seems really weird to me that this is his reaction. In summary after looking and thinking more about his filter, I'd be down for a MZ lynch but not for most of the reasons you posted. | ||
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geript
10024 Posts
On December 07 2013 01:01 geript wrote: Mental note: Odin, Onegu, gtrsrs, jcarl. @MZ. Could you also give a read on these 4. I was planning on looking at them when I came back. | ||
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