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On December 07 2013 00:29 jcarlsoniv wrote:Show nested quote +On December 07 2013 00:20 jcarlsoniv wrote:On December 07 2013 00:17 raynpelikoneet wrote:
No jcarl, it's not possible. It's dumb and VE is not dumb. Lol why is it not possible? I agree that VE isn't dumb, and that's exactly why I would expect something like that if he were a scum parity cop. Scum have yet to lose a member, so it would be incredibly easy to bus one (especially a lurker one) to gain town cred. Or even better: If Koshi makes the item you expect, a scum parity VE could check you (since you're essentially confirmed town), and some town lurker (or otherwise questionable town player). He would know who to look at, he would get his parity check off, and gain town cred. But there's a problem. He's charging his laser, aiming at lurkers, and his trigger finger is getting itchy. How long are we able to rely on him using his parity check before he blows his laser and shoots some bitches? If he's town, he has to keep using that parity check. It's the only thing we can rely on for information that we know of. (or at least, that I know of)
He needs to have checked someone already on N1.
If the check as published comes back as "X checked Y - came back same/different" then we know he has checked someone on N1. If the check comes back as "X checked Y - came back null" then he has not checked anyone on N1.
You are suggesting VE picked a parity cop as mafia, has another ability, but instead of using that he claims the ability and uses only the ability that does not help mafia in any way. That's fucking bullshit.
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On December 07 2013 00:29 austinmcc wrote:Show nested quote +On December 07 2013 00:24 Mocsta wrote:
Austin
does the above apply because itsnscummy, ornbecause mz knows better?
out of the above, I find the LSB stuff quite damning I admit.
I still think the koshi stuff is ok
It applies because active and townie into do-nothing is something that I see from a lot of players that get scrutiny. You come out the gate townie, play a lot of D1 looking town, and then you start to trail off, because you really just needed the initial town reads on you. It's a piece of a pattern, where he comes out with a gtrsrs discussion case, gets some stuff rolling, is chatty and whatnot. Then he just kind of pokes around VE being town and LSB being scum, but without those same A TOWNIE IS DOING THIS feels. Then he pokes at koshi. Then he doesn't really do anything. It's not just inactivity, I can't call anyone out on that, but it's a pattern from a townie-looking start into just tailing off. I find that progression scummy in a veteran player, because I've seen it a couple times.
the reason I asked if its scummy is cos half the thread went hard at the start and then tapered
where this is specific to mz is that really early ve read and like u said early case on gtr
hmmm so u don't buy his reasons for the early case, or you are assigning scum points due to tapering ativity?
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rayn, again, look at the Onegu case on Odin and comment please.
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Moc go back and read through the whole interaction again. Like it's really not towny. I'll find a link if I can.
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So, in the last game we played together (hogwarts) I could see Mocstas thought process very easily most of the time. Now while catching up I see so many posts I disagree on it is baffling.
On December 06 2013 10:06 Mocsta wrote:
@Geript
Me likey the jonnylaw stuff.
Completely on point in my opinion.
Austin/JL are definitely good lynch choices for today
Between those two I think Austin is a better choice for long gain (i.e. more valuable)
whereas JL could be a better choice for short gain (i.e. higher in the draft order, so most likely has a decent hero)
I'm going to stick with Austin as a better lynch choice for the long gain.
I don't follow this. If Austin is more valuable in the long run and JL in the short one we should lynch JL based on that logic (good hero). I don't even see why austin is better in the long gain.
On December 06 2013 12:21 Mocsta wrote:Show nested quote +On December 06 2013 12:14 JonnyLaw wrote:
I've talked about Kush all that I want to. Do you even read my filter?
I called out Kush, got shit on by a couple people because that's how he plays. I didn't realize people intentionally play like shit and post one liners that don't help town at all. That was my original complaint about rayn. Now he gets praised for having the largest filter in the game.
LSB is a good lynch because he contributes nothing to the game. I will vote you as well just like I said. You're wagoning whatever is easy. JonnyLaw, I'm going to choose my words carefully, after all there is no need to convince scum that they are scum. (1) You are running a discredit campaign on me by twisting easy to prove facts. This *is* scummy (2) How are you an easy bandwagon, when experienced players like Sandroba/Rayn don't agree with the strength of my read. This is more discredit attempts (3) If you did call me scum, you went about it in the most wishy-washy softly-spoken way possible, and that *is* scummy too. All you say is you *could* lynch me. Who are you *GOING* to lynch.
(1) Why would a scummer be such an idiot and attack you on easy to disprove grounds? That is not scummy in my opinion it is just dumb if you are right.
(2) Many people voiced concerns about him (even Prome who was one of the most influential people in this game - you even use his case yourself). -> Easy bandwagon.
On December 06 2013 12:48 Mocsta wrote:
I must say, in isolation.
Rean shooting Austin wtih VT 50KP and immediately following up with a vote looks pretty good to me.
This is so wrong. Why does that look good to you? He KNOWS it would be suspicious not to do so and it is the easiest way to play along without having to do shit.
On December 06 2013 13:09 Mocsta wrote:Show nested quote +On December 06 2013 13:04 OdinOfPergo wrote:
Mocsta,
What gives you the impression he is going to push his vote at all?
Also, what per his day actions gives him any ability to help lead a scum agenda with his team if he is scum?
The only thing I get for it is a easy out later if Austin flips town. (Not convinced of at this point but need to finished filter... Dang I should probably completely ignore the thread and do that but meh. {This is townie Odin saying he don't give a rats if it takes him 10 hours to do huehue [But seriously I will have some reads out tonight pls no lynch until I do]} Thats the point. If he is Rean is scum bussing scum austin -- SURELY, he would be making a bigger HOO-HAA about it to lap up the town cred. If Rean is scum faking a read on town austin -- I would have thought Austin is considered a threat and more KP would be on him. Its very disjointed to only have the 50KP, no? Clearly this is conjecture, but it makes sense to me. If Rean is town, I can see this set of actions making sense.
Like, Im not saying Rean is town. Im just saying that this set of actions reads like a town play to me.
No, no, no. Austin was clearly not a threat to mafia and why the hell should they direct more KP at him? If he is faking a read on him + shooting him with so few dmg that's either because he wants to mislynch him (why shoot him with more KP ?) or to look better (why shoot him with more KP and confirm this wrong?).
On December 06 2013 15:15 Mocsta wrote:ninja'd  next up the queue. prob jat took it, bastard !
Nope, sorry.
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On December 07 2013 00:37 Koshi wrote:
rayn, again, look at the Onegu case on Odin and comment please.
Later. The case is bad because Odin is town though. 
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On December 07 2013 00:38 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On December 07 2013 00:37 Koshi wrote:
rayn, again, look at the Onegu case on Odin and comment please. Later. The case is bad because Odin is town though.
Not true. Case pretty solid. But I can wait.
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On December 06 2013 23:37 austinmcc wrote:Show nested quote +On December 06 2013 18:36 supersoft wrote:On December 02 2013 09:03 austinmcc wrote:
Mass claiming requires everybody to cooperate, and has no way of determining whether mafia didn't cooperate with something or stubborn/fun-seeking townies didn't. Look at crap like people always wanting inventor, or wanting a specific champ this time around (there have been a couple "i'm picking my favorite champs"). Also, it's close to deadline and you won't get everyone to post/agree.
I think it's a fine plan but not in this situation. It's great in theory but in practice it is so horribly likely to work like the optimal case, and the main reason for that is that people are people and not that mafia will twirl their moustaches and screw up the plan. austin, do you think a post like this helps the town? Do you think it makes sense to post this as scum? On December 04 2013 11:52 austinmcc wrote:On December 04 2013 11:51 Rean wrote:On December 04 2013 11:49 austinmcc wrote:On December 04 2013 11:43 Rean wrote:Austin, can I ask you something? Yar. Are you mafia? Nope. I ain't even korean. insecure. I think that when I'm absent, I should post thoughts. There are thoughts on a mass claim plan. Always proposed, never carried out. Do you think my sentiments in that post seem legit? I think it makes sense to post thoughts on mass claiming as either alignment, so yeah, makes as much sense as scum as it does as town. Insecure? Please. I can handle that dude all day. Oh. -ure, not insec. Nope. If someone is going to "can i ask you something" WITH A SMILEY, and then ask "are you mafia?", I'm not just going to say "No." Gotta have a little fun back. Also, still not korean.
AAAAAH, okay sorry Austin. I completely misunderstood that "i am not even korean"
I just realized, that SK is a korean team. nvm. i didnt drew the line from scum over SK to korean.
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Roffles
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MZ flip flops as much as John Kerry.
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On December 07 2013 00:34 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On December 07 2013 00:29 jcarlsoniv wrote:On December 07 2013 00:20 jcarlsoniv wrote:On December 07 2013 00:17 raynpelikoneet wrote:
No jcarl, it's not possible. It's dumb and VE is not dumb. Lol why is it not possible? I agree that VE isn't dumb, and that's exactly why I would expect something like that if he were a scum parity cop. Scum have yet to lose a member, so it would be incredibly easy to bus one (especially a lurker one) to gain town cred. Or even better: If Koshi makes the item you expect, a scum parity VE could check you (since you're essentially confirmed town), and some town lurker (or otherwise questionable town player). He would know who to look at, he would get his parity check off, and gain town cred. But there's a problem. He's charging his laser, aiming at lurkers, and his trigger finger is getting itchy. How long are we able to rely on him using his parity check before he blows his laser and shoots some bitches? If he's town, he has to keep using that parity check. It's the only thing we can rely on for information that we know of. (or at least, that I know of) He needs to have checked someone already on N1. If the check as published comes back as "X checked Y - came back same/different" then we know he has checked someone on N1. If the check comes back as "X checked Y - came back null" then he has not checked anyone on N1. You are suggesting VE picked a parity cop as mafia, has another ability, but instead of using that he claims the ability and uses only the ability that does not help mafia in any way. That's fucking bullshit.
I understand how the publisher thing would work. And I wouldn't be surprised if he used you as a night 1 check for control purposes - even by then you were pretty much confirmed town.
And I don't know what you're seeing as bullshit. He himself has said that he wants to use his laser to clear out lurkers. What I'm saying is that it's pretty easy to fake being town as Lux because, having claimed it, you would be expected to use your check on the first two nights at the very least.
So unless someone has alignment checked him and he's confirmed town, I don't trust him. You even just said that just being parity cop doesn't make you town.
On December 07 2013 00:09 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On December 06 2013 23:58 Mocsta wrote:
ve is not getting lynched
hes lux ffs
the parity cop His role does not make him town. Picking parity cop as scum is good because you deny a strong town role (inv), there is a hidden ability in the role so you are not useless and you gain town credit because of your pick in the first place. The thing is Koshi is gonna invent an item that publicly outs all reports on D3 (tracker/watcher/cop/etc.) and it proves VE has actually copped people and not done something else. If he has not copped people then he is scum, if he has he is town.
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jat
firstly in Hogwarts u thought I was scum most of the game
secondly I will reply to that tomorrow when I'm not on phone. too hard to do multi quotes.
but quickly u found stuff ubdisagreee with great. none of it is explained as why its scummy or pushing scum agenda.
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On December 07 2013 00:36 Mocsta wrote:Show nested quote +On December 07 2013 00:29 austinmcc wrote:On December 07 2013 00:24 Mocsta wrote:
Austin
does the above apply because itsnscummy, ornbecause mz knows better?
out of the above, I find the LSB stuff quite damning I admit.
I still think the koshi stuff is ok
It applies because active and townie into do-nothing is something that I see from a lot of players that get scrutiny. You come out the gate townie, play a lot of D1 looking town, and then you start to trail off, because you really just needed the initial town reads on you. It's a piece of a pattern, where he comes out with a gtrsrs discussion case, gets some stuff rolling, is chatty and whatnot. Then he just kind of pokes around VE being town and LSB being scum, but without those same A TOWNIE IS DOING THIS feels. Then he pokes at koshi. Then he doesn't really do anything. It's not just inactivity, I can't call anyone out on that, but it's a pattern from a townie-looking start into just tailing off. I find that progression scummy in a veteran player, because I've seen it a couple times. the reason I asked if its scummy is cos half the thread went hard at the start and then tapered where this is specific to mz is that really early ve read and like u said early case on gtr hmmm so u don't buy his reasons for the early case, or you are assigning scum points due to tapering ativity? Both. I think super early cases are helpful to town, but generally as discussion starters and not as trusty scumreads.
I think he had decent reasons for calling gtrsrs out, but to build a case and push gtrsrs then into not really doing as much on LSB or koshi or whoever else he may think is mafia, that's the bigger bit.
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On December 07 2013 00:41 Roffles wrote:
MZ flip flops as much as John Kerry.
No mod kill for Roffles today likely. I'm happy to lynch him.
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On December 07 2013 00:42 Mocsta wrote:
jat
firstly in Hogwarts u thought I was scum most of the game
secondly I will reply to that tomorrow when I'm not on phone. too hard to do multi quotes.
but quickly u found stuff ubdisagreee with great. none of it is explained as why its scummy or pushing scum agenda.
Now that's a plain lie.
I did not call you scum yet. Will have to check the rest of your play for that and I don't have the time right now.
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actually thats a really solid
that gtrsrs case completely stagnated
its feigned interest in the game. even being genuinely busy doesn't account for that type of follow up.. since he has posypted several times since then.
I'm down with mz
##vote: mz
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Soniv, again, VE claimed to take A GOOD CHUNK of damage.
The heal doesn't even matter, I'm willing to buy that someone shottified him, and nobody is claiming it. Whether he took 250 or whatever, or the full amount and got healed a little, that's a LOT of damage for there not to be scum damage in it.
Unless you really think he's lying about the damage, he's likely to be town. Pretty sure that in other games with HP and incremental damage, scum never actually shot themselves despite that being thrown around all game, and people who got shot with partial KP early were just getting any leftover stuff scum had. Off head, chrono trigger and PTP okemon Mafia both had HP and partial KP, and in both mafia didn't shoot themselves to try to fake people out.
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Anyway, I'm out for today. Back sunday afternoon EST or so, will be catching up but will be around and active then.
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On December 07 2013 00:47 justanothertownie wrote:Show nested quote +On December 07 2013 00:42 Mocsta wrote:
jat
firstly in Hogwarts u thought I was scum most of the game
secondly I will reply to that tomorrow when I'm not on phone. too hard to do multi quotes.
but quickly u found stuff ubdisagreee with great. none of it is explained as why its scummy or pushing scum agenda. Now that's a plain lie. I did not call you scum yet. Will have to check the rest of your play for that and I don't have the time right now.
isn't Hogwarts where I streamed u?
u had trust issues with me all game, or am I getting confused with noir?
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On December 07 2013 00:50 Mocsta wrote:Show nested quote +On December 07 2013 00:47 justanothertownie wrote:On December 07 2013 00:42 Mocsta wrote:
jat
firstly in Hogwarts u thought I was scum most of the game
secondly I will reply to that tomorrow when I'm not on phone. too hard to do multi quotes.
but quickly u found stuff ubdisagreee with great. none of it is explained as why its scummy or pushing scum agenda. Now that's a plain lie. I did not call you scum yet. Will have to check the rest of your play for that and I don't have the time right now. isn't Hogwarts where I streamed u? u had trust issues with me all game, or am I getting confused with noir?
That was noir. In Hogwarts I don't remember ever having a scumread on you.
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