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On December 04 2013 02:18 LSB wrote:
I don't understand this whole I'm a village idiot thingy, I'm just going to flat out deny it, and say that if there is a village idiot mechanic it probably should have been mentioned in the OP.
there are no suicide champs in league, so to speak
on the list, kog'maw has a suicide passive, but it's known. shaco fits the "town clown" persona *kinda* but he's more of an "evil clown." in dota, techies has a suicide attack and are well known for their mines, which teemo closely mimics. but teemo has no suicide abilities
i also think that it's unlikely that there is a village idiot role
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On December 04 2013 02:20 marvellosity wrote:
Your past town-games suggest you are usually focused on getting a good lynch too, so I'm confused that you are only concentrating on this.
there should be no confusion, as i have clarified
>i don't have any good scum reads
>i'm not as aggressive a person as i used to be
>i don't like building cases on other games. later in the game based on reactions to night activities i will be of more help
if you want to give me a player to analyze i might do it, but i'm not gonna scramble to find scum reads when there's nothing of consequence yet posted.
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On December 04 2013 02:23 jcarlsoniv wrote:Show nested quote +On December 04 2013 02:19 gtrsrs wrote:
oh woops, forgot to include my reasoning
soniv is a bona fide hipster, loves to play champs that are not currently popular or considered strong. in addition to the champs i listed, on the champ list, there are several of those: mordekaiser, karma, twisted fate, malzahar, syndra, talon
but each of these either has a damage ability listed (morde, TF, malz, syndra) or has an extremely high likelihood of a damage ability (karma, talon)
i believe karma is his favorite champ though. hard to analyze her based on her abilities though, because Wave said that he's been planning this for months, and karma went through a remake somewhat recently My propensity for playing less popular champs in game has 0 reflection on what role I chose in this game. This is 100% pointless speculation.Also, I believe someone has claimed Karma already. I don't remember who (and can't find the list at the moment - I'm sure LSB knows). Whenever you're ready to stop being a dumbass is good with me.
so you say. certain personal traits bleed through all activities and you carry them with you wherever you go. i know i do, why would you be different. i'm sticking with my gut on this
You want this, don't you? The hate is swelling in you now. Take your Jedi weapon. Use it. I am unarmed. Strike me down with it. Give in to your anger. With each passing moment you make yourself more my servant.
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had to change my vote without an explanation on account of an emergency errand i had to run
i don't believe bum is scum
i also don't believe it's wise to lynch one of our most experienced and logical members on d1 without solid proof that he's mafia, which i don't think we have.
i took my vote off of JonnyLaw as my mistake in pick order understanding was pointed out and i no longer believe JonnyLaw to be lying about his pick order numbers. i think put my vote onto LSB in order to take some pressure off of bum.
i now have a good read on someone that i believe is scum. there is no chance this person will be lynched today so i will save my case for tomorrow.
i do ask that you take your votes off of bum though (even knowing what little water my request will hold)
also, we can drop the roffles telling me to die thing. i sincerely appreciate the sentiments, but i don't really give a damn; i know he meant it in a non-abrasive way (if that makes any sense). no need to further clutter up the thread with it. just roffles being roffles.
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On December 04 2013 09:23 gtrsrs wrote:
i don't believe bum is scum
i also don't believe it's wise to lynch one of our most experienced and logical members on d1 without solid proof that he's mafia, which i don't think we have.
i stand by this. there was not concrete evidence. who started the bum bandwagon?
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On December 04 2013 13:33 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I got a lantern. Anyone experienced with LoL could you tell me what it's could possibly do?
thresh's lantern in league is tossed toward a teammate (or several teammates) and applies a shield at it's landing location. after landing, a single teammate can click the lantern to be pulled to thresh's location ("to safety"). it's generally used to save someone from a gank, and sometimes used offensively to initiate a very long-range gank
in the context of a mafia game, i'd put dollars to donuts that it's able to pull someone out of being targetted for a night action, to safety. i would throw the lantern to someone that you feel will be a mafia target, and they will likely need to "click the lantern" to avoid the night action
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On December 04 2013 23:32 jcarlsoniv wrote:Show nested quote +On December 04 2013 23:29 Oatsmaster wrote:
hey hey Jcarl, wanna lynch ROffles/ I want to lynch geript or gtrsrs at this point. Roffles play has been absolute shit, so he's leaning scum, but he could also just be fucking lazy as shit like he is in everything he does. ------------------------------------------------
quick question, if you think roffles is leaning scum, why do you want to lynch geript or gtrsrs? can you provide reasoning, or if you already have, a link to said reasoning?
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i'm going to the gym. when i get back i'm going to take a shower and make breakfast. if my girlfriend is still asleep and nothing comes up by that point, i'll make my case for a lynch. if she's up, my case will have to wait until probably 3pm pst today. either way i'll do my best to have a cohesive lynch case by the end of today (dec 4th)
i feel strongly about my read. if my case is strong enough to convince you to lynch my suspect, and i turn out wrong, i'd like to be lynched the next day please. i just simply don't feel strongly enough about anyone other than my target to make any conclusive assessments yet, yet i feel like you guys are putting a lot of pressure on lurkers to perform more (and rightly so). i will probably have my confidence shaken and be even more worthless if i'm wrong on this one
thanks
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i have returned and have the time to build my case. after i do so i'll be around for a short while to hear criticisms of it and then i will be gone for some time, and can check back in the late afternoon to see if you guys can punch holes in it or not
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i want to start my case with apology for being rather lurky this game. i've stated before but people are still commenting, so i will reiterate: i'm not as aggressive a person as i was a few years back, so my playstyle is not as aggressive as it was either. additionally, until now, i didn't feel strongly about anyone being scum. lastly, i do not like to use meta-game to build a case, especially on day 1 (unfortunately, you'll see that i will have to use the 'meta' reasoning a bit in this case).
i know relatively few of you and have played mafia with even fewer. i don't know your traits when you are mafia or town. however, some of you i know well or even very well. as bum_at_large pointed out, he and i have been friends for years. i felt very strongly that bum was doing his normal bum thing - being analytical, making logical posts, and being pro-town - and that he was town. one of the only other people that i can claim to know their personality is jacarlsoniv (henceforth referred to as soniv). i've played league with soniv, posted in the league sub-forum with soniv, and watched soniv's sparse streaming for a couple years now. as i stated earlier,
On December 04 2013 02:28 gtrsrs wrote:
certain personal traits bleed through all activities and you carry them with you wherever you go. i know i do, why would you be different.
i feel like although he's not my bestest buddy, i have a good read on soniv's overall personality. he thinks highly of himself as a strong player and intellectual, and he's a fierce competitor. when he's "winning" he's cocky and carefree, but when he is challenged, i believe that soniv becomes extremely defensive and can get emotional. it's a knee-jerk reaction that i've seen in playing with him (exasperated sighs and outbursts when his lane gets camped in league, banning viewers [read: me  ] when they comment on a mistake he makes on his stream, etc). i believe that soniv has taken a needlessly harsh and defensive stance on several comments made in his direction, many of which don't even point a ton of suspicion in his direction
i'll start by cementing that i believe soniv is just being soniv and not changing up his personality for this game, as that's what i'm basing my case on:
On December 04 2013 02:23 jcarlsoniv wrote:
My propensity for playing less popular champs in game has 0 reflection on what role I chose in this game. This is 100% pointless speculation.
... but soniv's first post in the game was a quote from his favorite champ:
On November 21 2013 03:13 jcarlsoniv wrote:
Steel can fix all your flaws.
this was also a response to me saying i hated viktor as a champion:
On December 01 2013 10:18 jcarlsoniv wrote:
wow
you're going down gtr
these second two posts are lighthearted, comfortable soniv posts. he's not under pressure, he's making jokes, he's referencing and defending his favorite champ. it's only after i create a seemingly worthless post about what i feel soniv picked (spurred by the fact that he breadcrumbed that he does no damage) that he became defensive about it:
On December 04 2013 01:53 jcarlsoniv wrote:
gtrsrs, there are plenty of people in this game who play league, your last posts have literally done nothing
Do you have scum reads? Are you going to do anything useful this game?
I'm sorry that you didn't get the role you wanted, but you're being counterproductive.
On December 04 2013 02:23 jcarlsoniv wrote:
Whenever you're ready to stop being a dumbass is good with me.
the second he's put under the tiniest bit of pressure, no matter how tangential it may be, he retracts into a defensive, ad hominem style.
so that's my setup. now i want to give 2 postulates that i've learned from playing forum mafia and epic mafia. 1) knowledge is power. mafia inherently has more knowledge than town, so doing actions that lead to town having more knowledge helps to level the playing field. yes, it can lead to revelations for the mafia as well, but remember, mafia has enough information to win the game from the start. mafia thrives in a suffocated, information-free town. 2) town needs to lynch mafia. town does not need to lynch lurkers, anti-town townies, pro-town townies, or blues. town needs to lynch mafia. this one is simple. you don't lynch someone because you don't like them, or because you have a weak lead on them. mafia members can subtly push for lynches on bad town and lurkers because it can feel like a "next best" option.
1) knowledge is power
i agreed with a mass roleclaim plan. soniv did not:
On December 02 2013 08:14 jcarlsoniv wrote:Show nested quote +On December 02 2013 07:43 Roffles wrote:
I think we may need to account for what each champion is potentially able to provide with their unknown ability instead of what they're thus far listed as being able to do. It's super risky to do, but if played well can bring a huge advantage to whatever side plays it the best. Trying to speculate doesn't really do all that much to help, tbh. Sure, we can make somewhat educated guesses, but they would still be complete guesses. We just don't know what the mods are hiding from us, and we know they can be creative. It doesn't hurt to be prepared for the mindset that there's so much we don't know. But trying to pinpoint what it will be is a fairly non-value add activity.
soniv is in the wrong and roffles is in the right. i've tried to illuminate what several hot-topic champs can do so that we can help non-league players. information is power. soniv, however, wants to nip speculative and free discussion at the bud. in fact, when i've given my expertise,
On December 04 2013 01:53 jcarlsoniv wrote:
gtrsrs, there are plenty of people in this game who play league, your last posts have literally done nothing
there is one role that he does want to find though: kassadin, a potentially scum-screwing role that will likely be able to dart out of trouble as well as screw up enemy actions:
On December 03 2013 04:45 jcarlsoniv wrote:
I do agree it would be good to know where Kass is. The one ability we know about is very strong and should be kept track of/utilized. I'm assuming his other ability is a self re-locator - his other skills in game wouldn't really make sense for this.
this is because soniv, playing as SKT1'S Poohmandu (even getting one of his favorite hipster support champs, Janna!) wants to actively limit the amount of information that town has in order to both prevent town from getting too many power roles, and eliminate said power roles quickly.
2) town needs to lynch mafia, and no one else
take a peek at soniv's filter, page 3. in the span of a few posts, he goes from
On December 02 2013 22:20 jcarlsoniv wrote:
Null on gtr for now, but certainly not leaning town.
to
On December 03 2013 01:23 jcarlsoniv wrote:
So assuming nothing changes and we end up lynching gtr - who are you looking at next VE?
it's subtle sheeping. town does not put their votes onto someone that they do not believe is mafia. it's a mafia tactic to subtly sheep votes onto people that others fine suspicious. however, soniv himself did not even put a vote on me, he voted for geript. he's sowing discord:
On December 03 2013 23:35 jcarlsoniv wrote:
I'm totally cool with killing gtrsrs at this point as well.
Summary: Vote is staying on geript, I refuse to let him get away with this absolutely abysmal play. Towards the end of the day, I could get behind gtrsrs or, depending on how things develop for him, bum.
literally no one thinks that i'm mafia at this point. my worst detractors think i'm unmotivated town. you don't lynch unmotivated town. points to soniv for keeping his vote on geript instead of hopping on the bum bandwagon, it was a nice cover-up. though a bit unnecessary as the wagon was rolling fast enough that he didn't even need to jump on tbh
this post is the lynchpin for when i realized soniv was poohmandu:
On December 04 2013 06:17 jcarlsoniv wrote:Show nested quote +On December 04 2013 06:12 LSB wrote:On December 04 2013 06:01 jcarlsoniv wrote:On December 04 2013 05:54 LSB wrote:On December 04 2013 05:50 jcarlsoniv wrote:Please explain why you think holding your role is the reason you're going to get lynched day 2? Because, honestly, your entire play this game except for holding your role is the reason you're nearing the chopping block. And you state: Plus I want to kill Bum. Actually that's most of the reason Bum is set to be lynched at this point. Your main reason for wanting to use your role is gone. On December 04 2013 05:41 LSB wrote:
What I plan on doing tonight
If Bum is lynched - I will do nothing
If Bum is not Lynched - I will verify my role claim by moving up three spaces. You realize that if you use your role, you will be on block for a policy lynching, right? Like, you're going to incur the very thing you seem to be afraid of if you don't use it. I don't understand what you are trying to imply. Are you just simply trying to discourage me from using my role should Bum not get lynched? Or are you trying to make a blanket statement saying I should never use my role? Or are you criticizing my choice of night action? I'm saying that it has said that people using mafia roles should be lynched. Yours is considered a mafia role, as far as we know. If we are 100% sure that there are 5 scum next to you and you want to spin through them, whatever, I don't care. But otherwise you will be aiding scum. And even if you confirm yourself as Tryndamere by spinning through townies, how in the hell does that help you look town yourself? Why would we keep you around?
again, it's subtle and it's not a direct statement. but soniv is pushing us toward lynching people based on their roles, not their alignment. town's job is to lynch mafia, not to lynch bad town that took a role that seems to aid mafia more than town. in fact, this post almost feels like a dare: "i dare you to spin [which would help mafia] to confirm your mafia-esque role so i can push a lynch on you, a townie." it's a big double whammy
On December 04 2013 23:32 jcarlsoniv wrote:Show nested quote +On December 04 2013 23:29 Oatsmaster wrote:
hey hey Jcarl, wanna lynch ROffles/ I want to lynch geript or gtrsrs at this point. Roffles play has been absolute shit, so he's leaning scum, but he could also just be fucking lazy as shit like he is in everything he does.
more sheepy spam that's not backed up by a vote. if roffles is mafia, vote to lynch him. if he's not, don't say you think he is.
but of course when i call him out on it, he retracts into defensive mode again:
On December 05 2013 01:25 jcarlsoniv wrote:Show nested quote +On December 05 2013 01:21 gtrsrs wrote:
quick question, if you think roffles is leaning scum, why do you want to lynch geript or gtrsrs? can you provide reasoning, or if you already have, a link to said reasoning? lol no go fucking read my filter... or do somethingRoffles is leaning scum, yes, but as I've said twice, his actions could or could not be indicative of such an alignment. I am not willing to lynch him yet.
other post that bothered me:
On December 04 2013 00:01 jcarlsoniv wrote:
jat, I'm fine with you quoting posts to respond to, that's normal.
that doesn't excuse the fact that you didn't actually say anything in your post
hard to take seriously when at this point soniv himself has said nothing of worth
it's cut and dry, challengers. this guy might be diamond V in league of legends but his mafia skill is silver II. sorry soniv, no hard feelings. your personality just shows through too much to me and betrays your actual intentions.
##vote: jcarsoniv
also, make sure you touch up on bum's initial look at soniv. it didn't sway me at start, but once i picked up on a red vibe from soniv i looked back at it and agreed.
seeya nerds
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On December 06 2013 00:02 jcarlsoniv wrote:
If you clicked on the lantern, then you should have been protected from anything targeting you. If you didn't click the lantern, then you didn't get protected.
I checked, you can still use your ability if you clicked the lantern.
you're claiming thresh, then?
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thresh is one of, if not the, highest damage support in the game
i would say that all of his moves are signature, with the lantern and box being the most so. the box does more damage than cassieopieaiea ult. flay does a ton of damage. even hook does non-negligible damage.
what is your second ability?
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that's literally why i didn't even list thresh in my list of non-damage-possible champs
his damage output is literally insane for a support
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oh right, the box was the listed ability, i forgot
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can you stop being so negative?
2 people have already thanked me for my league input and i'm going to continue to do it, so you can stop deriding me for it
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k so something else about the lantern that stuck out to me
when soniv said this:
On December 06 2013 01:57 jcarlsoniv wrote:Show nested quote +On December 06 2013 01:53 gtrsrs wrote:On December 06 2013 00:02 jcarlsoniv wrote:
If you clicked on the lantern, then you should have been protected from anything targeting you. If you didn't click the lantern, then you didn't get protected.
I checked, you can still use your ability if you clicked the lantern. you're claiming thresh, then? I am. And as much as I still disagree with you speculating on possible roles, I had to chuckle to myself when you guessed right for Thresh.
it confused me a bit. for one he's been riding me all game for providing league info and saying there's google for a reason and everyone here is a challenger level league player etc etc etc. so why would it make him chuckle when i connected a lantern to the only lantern in the game?
that's when i remembered that there are more, shitty lanterns in the game. they're so shitty though, that they didn't even register on my mind when you asked about a lantern
there are 3 lanterns in the game:
thresh's lantern: allows you to be rushed to safety
wriggle's lantern: provides sight in a location for a short time
grez's spectral lantern: gives true vision in a location for an extremely short time
thresh's lantern is by far the most prominent. wriggles is built in probably < 1% of games on summoner's rift and is generally considered complete shit on every champ save a handful. grez's lantern is built even less than wriggles, on a seldom-played map and i had forgotten it was in the game. i cannot stress enough that the last two lanterns are so insignificant that they don't even come to mind when "lantern" and "league" go together in my mind.
not only that, but neither of those two lanterns directly tie to a champion. the only way one of those was in the game is if the inventor built them, but as we've already seen, he's focused on building dota-themed items.
so why would roffles, a guy who has played as much league as anyone else in this thread, suggest this:
On December 04 2013 13:35 Roffles wrote:Show nested quote +On December 04 2013 13:33 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I got a lantern. Anyone experienced with LoL could you tell me what it's could possibly do? Probably give vision of something. Point it at somebody and it gives you info on allegiances perhaps.
maybe, *maybe* you could argue that a grez port into this game would give info on allegiances with the "true sight" mechanic. but in 99% of cases, i would say that someone porting wriggle's or grez's lantern to mafia would make it so you can see a night action in a certain location. i will give credit to Wave and say for the mostpart he uses logic, and this would be logical.
and at this time, we know that viktor is inventing useless dota crap. so why would roffles come to this conclusion, and use one of his extremely sparse posts on it?
it just reeks of spreading misinformation. i'm not saying it's enough for me to vote for him (my vote will remain on soniv), but maybe it's enough for someone else to strengthen their case or for me to build one later
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gonna stick my vote on soniv like i intended to last night
don't want you guys thinking this is a random vote without reasoning. my mind hasn't been swayed by his defense or any subsequent posts. in fact his very defensive defense felt like it affirmed my suspicions. even if soniv picked thresh, doesn't mean he's not mafia.
though thresh is more of a madlife support than a poohmandu support...
i have read the entire thread and i don't feel extremely strongly about most of the cases being made. part of me thinks that this game is just town attacking town while mafia AFKs, and another part of me thinks that all the mafia is trying so desperately to not be suspicious via AFKing that they're all just bussing each other lol. i know that it lies somewhere in between, but there is sure a ton of bitching going on. by the time we have soniv lynched i hope that i'll have some more strong suspicions i can dive into
chez, you sure are an interesting poster. i really like your enthusiasm and adherence to triviality. i am not in the right mindset to decipher a lot of what you've written at the moment, but i may get a chance on saturday. is there any chance you could send me some PMs with some hints? i'm not particularly clever.
odin, i think you need to relax
i would like to see more out of roffles. i think it's possible that when he suggested that i was shit-posting because i was pissed i didn't get a role, he was subtly referring to himself too. i'd like to reiterate what i said earlier about roffles being wayyyy too experienced a lol player to suggest that a lantern would be anything other than thresh's lantern. just curious as to why he'd try to mislead the thread in that sense.
in another note, when chez claimed to be all-knowing, my mind immediately jumped to twisted fate and POSSIBLY malzahar, and i was surprised that soniv suggested nidalee's traps as offering omniscience. just a tidbit i guess. but, also strange, doran in the game is not all-knowing. he's the opposite - a simpleton. his lore says that he was kicked in the head by his donkey which is why he can't make fancy items and just makes the starting items (d-blade, d-shield, d-ring). is that what you meant by things aren't how they appear, chez?
good night thread
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then vote for me
i don't see why you keep saying you want me dead. talk is cheap, use your votes to make an impact
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