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On December 02 2013 06:10 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
hahaha Bum. I honestly think your intents are awesome but the top 15 players? I think thats a little hopeful to get people to follow
I had just skimmed through the PYP2 game.
On August 23 2010 11:11 Radfield wrote:Show nested quote +On August 23 2010 11:07 Divinek wrote:
so according to your plan radfield do us guys down here just try to take random ass roles and hope for the best? If by "random ass roles" you mean the very non-random percentages i've layed out at each spot, then yes. #1 Comp Vig #2 Bad Santa #3 Prince of Darkness #4 33/33/33 CV, Bad Santa or PoD #5 50% Role Cop, 50% Defensive role(Vet, Meth Man, or Bulletproof. 33% chance of each) #6 50% Joat......... 50% Defensive role #7 50% Bullet Bill, 50% Defensive role #8 50% Role Cop, 50% Defensive role #9 50% Joat.........50% Defensive role #10 50% Bullet Bill, 50% Defensive role #11 25% Role Cop, 25% Defensive role, 25% Doctor, 25% role of your choice(not tracker) #12 25% Joat, 25% Defensive role, 25% Doctor, 25% role of your choice(not tracker) #13 25% Bullet Bill, 25% Defensive role, 25% Doctor, 25% role of your choice(not tracker) #14. 50% Tracker, 25% doctor, 25% Copy Cat(recommended) or Other(Alignment Cop, Mason, Martyr, etc.) #15. 50% Tracker, 25% doctor, 25% Copy Cat(recommended) or Other #16. 50% Tracker, 25% doctor, 25% Copy Cat(recommended) or Other #17 50% role cop, 50% other #18 50% Joat, 50% other #19 50% Bullet Bill, 50% other #20 50% tracker, 50% other
I might have been jealous of Radfield... just a little....
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On December 02 2013 06:55 StorrZerg wrote:
@buma why those roles for me
Just suggestions, you are in a good position to take them. I didn't base anything off who was in the position, unless specified.
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On December 02 2013 07:43 Roffles wrote:
I think we may need to account for what each champion is potentially able to provide with their unknown ability instead of what they're thus far listed as being able to do. It's super risky to do, but if played well can bring a huge advantage to whatever side plays it the best.
Take for example bumatlarge's list of proactive green champs (Jarvan, Lux, Taric, Karma, Galio, Orianna, Syndra) and notice they're all protective champs. But other champs that don't seem to be that useful as listed like Soraka could easily have an additional ability to mass heal or even just heal. In addition to the roleblock ability, that could easily become a priority pick to have.
Also, some champs that don't necessarily seem deadly at first glance like Twitch could turn out to have some ridiculous second ability like who knows? Stealth and ability to hit everyone up to a certain range away? It's possible, and it's something to potentially ponder.
You could easily end up assigning someone a role and that can turn to bite you in the ass because you don't have complete information on what that role can do.
That's why I like trying to distribute as many roles as possible. I don't think trying to figure out what else roles can do is useful, but putting fingers in ALL THE PIES seems like a good plan.
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If you are really low on the list, pick some asinine role and hope it does something cool.
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We haven't confirmed where warwick is, please don't be so rampant with the roles until we know who he is. Based on HP and what people are giving as KP values, Warwick is about as powerful as I expected.
Especially you VE. "LULZ IM OUR ONLY REAL DT ROLE" you gonna get sniped son :X
On December 02 2013 14:39 gtrsrs wrote:
so who took kha'zix? i declared that i was taking him and so you are scum for taking him. please come forward so i can lynch you
Typical of selfish mafia, always snagging the free win heroes, get some skill d00d. N THEN QQ MOR
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On December 02 2013 15:30 VisceraEyes wrote:Bum you just jealous. You tried to pick Lux didn't you? 
No comment.
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You don't need to post anymore VE. You are super cluttering the read and I doubt you are in danger of needing to prove yourself anytime soon with the position you put yourself in.
I think it's pretty obvious jcarl is mafia
On December 01 2013 09:34 jcarlsoniv wrote:
howdy guys - still working on catching up
As it's clearly been determined, Yorick is probably the worst for town, that's going.
I think there are things more threatening than Graves, tbh, but it looks like that will be #2.
##vote: Urgot
I do think Urgot is much more powerful in the hands of teamwork, so definitely harder for town to actually make use of.
I think we should also be aware of some of the other funky teamwork things that scum can take advantage of. Say scum has people at opposite ends of the list - one is Blitzcrank and one is Nidalee. Also, Ashe + Warwick could be pretty good in the right circumstances. The ball is already rolling on Urgot, and I do agree he's a good threat to eliminate.
rayn's strat for picks has a bit of merit, but as far as I can tell, it hasn't been adopted by the thread community.
It's short and seemingly inocuous, but the lines after voting are really offensive to me. He was definitely aware of how many votes Urgot had, and I feel like it was meant to be blended into a more concrete post. Too bad the whole entire rest of the post is fluff. The only things that could be argued redeemable are the vote on Urgot, and the banter about roles no one was mentioning. Lines 2, 3 and the last line make the post bigger then it is and add nothing.
This bleeped on my radar so I studied his other posts.
On December 01 2013 11:10 jcarlsoniv wrote:Show nested quote +On December 01 2013 11:03 OdinOfPergo wrote:
I mean yes, he's hard to deal with in general.
But it's been brought up before.. His town play is hyper aggressive and thus far the only real issue I have floating about is the Oats/Marv/Rayn exchange earlier on. But I don't think it's enough for me to call any of that group scum yet. So I'm curious on where your thought process here is..
Are you just policy lynching him? I've never played with him. I rarely play by the meta unless I am VERY familiar with someone's play. So I don't care if he's known for an aggressive town. If it's well known enough, then he knows people know that. I'm just feeling in a killing mood and he's given me reason to look his way.
This is pretty bad. Usually I can appreciate aggression, but I don't see rhyme or reason. Empty statements explaining one's self are pretty damning.
On December 01 2013 11:44 jcarlsoniv wrote:
I've always liked you for your calm head and level thinking, geript
Why don't you think he's scum? What, in all of his disruption and argumentative posts made you give him a "I want to keep you around" vibe?
Again, really bad aggression. The questions are very forced, and would not help town if they were answered. Aggression without reason isn't townie.
On December 01 2013 12:01 jcarlsoniv wrote:Show nested quote +On December 01 2013 11:53 geript wrote:On December 01 2013 11:50 VisceraEyes wrote:
Nono geript. Rayn capable of hyperactivity as scum. I don't disagree. My point is that as scum he has no reason to be this active right now on day -1. Maybe on Day 0 to get a lynch line up but not right now. Especially when most people aren't reading or posting. Plus, I understand his tow reads and mostly agree with them. I just don't think organizing picks ever works well. Sounds like the perfect time for scum to want to be active and say stuff - the conversation never got much further than "what do we ban?" - there were related things, but nothing hugely in depth came into play - this is a scum's playground
You can see he's paying attention, but he's very out of place. I've been in this situation as scum where you are caught looking at a problem with your hands in your pockets. Why you are not trying to do something about it is because you don't want it fixed.
On December 02 2013 00:15 jcarlsoniv wrote:Show nested quote +On December 01 2013 23:06 Koshi wrote:
raynpolikoneet
I am not going to do what you are saying. Might pick Viktor though.
Kinda liking Karthus. I think Viktor is probably the best first pick. If you're town, you can definitely put it to good use. If you're scum, and anything goes awry due to inventions, we'll know who to look for. --------------------------------------- @Mocsta: Show nested quote +On December 01 2013 23:21 marvellosity wrote:
jcarl must be being sarcastic there... Marv is correct - reread the context, I was being hugely sardonic there. I had made, what, 2 or 3 posts? and geript was shoving a stick of dynamite down my throat. -------------------------------------------- Show nested quote +On December 01 2013 22:57 Oatsmaster wrote:On December 01 2013 22:55 Kurumi wrote:
Mafia really does not want us to know their champion names. You are mafia and have access to their QT? or, ya know, kurumi is basing that opinion off of the bans that scum put through... --------------------------------------- I do not believe that all the cop checks are gone from the game. There is definitely some potential for champs 2nd/3rd abilities to be alignment/role revealing. Off the top of my head: Nidalee - traps (something we may want to consider picking early due to her spears being scary) Thresh - lantern? Kog - ult Orianna - Q? (although she will more likely have her ult) We have to be very wary of the potential auxiliary abilities because I have a feeling that a lot of champions will have some REALLY scary abilities we don't know about. Things like Annie Tibbers or Ziggs Bomb could be hugely damaging.
How much of this is actual content? It's mostly parroting, and what isn't is either bad explanations, or original thoughts that he never intends to see lift off the ground. If anyone had responded to this asking him to expound on his speculation, I don't think he'd have much of a follow up response.
On December 02 2013 08:14 jcarlsoniv wrote:Show nested quote +On December 02 2013 07:43 Roffles wrote:
I think we may need to account for what each champion is potentially able to provide with their unknown ability instead of what they're thus far listed as being able to do. It's super risky to do, but if played well can bring a huge advantage to whatever side plays it the best.
Take for example bumatlarge's list of proactive green champs (Jarvan, Lux, Taric, Karma, Galio, Orianna, Syndra) and notice they're all protective champs. But other champs that don't seem to be that useful as listed like Soraka could easily have an additional ability to mass heal or even just heal. In addition to the roleblock ability, that could easily become a priority pick to have.
Also, some champs that don't necessarily seem deadly at first glance like Twitch could turn out to have some ridiculous second ability like who knows? Stealth and ability to hit everyone up to a certain range away? It's possible, and it's something to potentially ponder.
You could easily end up assigning someone a role and that can turn to bite you in the ass because you don't have complete information on what that role can do. Trying to speculate doesn't really do all that much to help, tbh. Sure, we can make somewhat educated guesses, but they would still be complete guesses. We just don't know what the mods are hiding from us, and we know they can be creative. It doesn't hurt to be prepared for the mindset that there's so much we don't know. But trying to pinpoint what it will be is a fairly non-value add activity.
But you really did just violate this yourself. And even then, this is just empty posts that don't bring anything forward. i remember responding to this same post, and you seemed to take a very purposeful roundabout way to say speculation isn't useful right now.
On December 02 2013 08:38 jcarlsoniv wrote:Show nested quote +On December 02 2013 08:32 sandroba wrote:
Let me think aloud here for a second. What happens if we all claim which roles we are taking, so it ensures maximum amount of roles for town. That way even mafia has to claim and we all claim what we did (after resolution) for the night as well. That would greatly simplify the game and force mafia to make mistakes with their claims. The trade off is that mafia is going to get what they want and know where the roles are, but with so many different protective roles and unknown abilities pehaps it is a good trade off. A town composed of 100% blues is a monster. Feels risky. Say we have a couple scum in the first ~10. They can false claim and then screw some people out of strong roles that they want. I'm not sure, it just feels like it makes us vulnerable. Although it does provide some accountability. But giving scum the priority targets because they know what everyone makes it fairly simple for them to aim in the right directions.
On December 02 2013 08:43 jcarlsoniv wrote:
Well, explain to me how it goes after we pick and get the rest of the abilities. We then claim our full abilities?
It's easy enough for scum to fake claim, and then they know everything, while we sit here wondering if someone lied about additional abilities.
Then if some secondary abilities cause huge problems, we don't know who to hold accountable.
All in all, it feels like scum gets too much info while we don't benefit as much.
The posts sound so similar that they start to blend together. I don't think it's possible for JCarl to be town.
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Mocsta, vote jcarl. You already figured out he was scum before I did.
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I'm going to bed. It will make it more difficult for me to find the rest of the mafia if all the other scum vote jcarl before the rest of town does.
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Aye.
On December 03 2013 00:31 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
Now on to other things
Bum - Why didn't you take tryndamere like you wanted? The idea of everyone in the top 10 more or less taking the roles you outlined was pretty non existent and the person originally slated to take the role you changed to having his own plan. So why didn't you take the role you wanted? IE I am curious to know how apparently LSB got it when hes the last person in the draft order.
Bum as for your case on Jcarls, I like it except for the first post you opted to use for it. Primarily because I don't think its likely for mafia to point out how good synergy of combos like blitz/nid are. I recognize that you said that post is what put him on your radar but its a very odd post to have come up when everything in it honestly feels town to me. IE my only issue with your case is where it started from. All the other points you raise seem good, but the initial starting place to me seems well, weird.
I never wanted tryndamere, and I didn't want another town to take it. Figured that would be the best way, and town would understand. Kinda awkward now that LSB has it, but it's not scummy for either of us I think, especially since he claimed it.
I'm glad you noticed, I initially had another block of text about the voters on Urgot, but I convinced myself it didn't hold water except for jcarl. Geript I was still suspicious of, but not for the reasons I was going to give. The other two, Mig and justanothertownie, I liked as town, so I axed the whole section and just picked up where the analysis began.
You are really smart BC.
On December 03 2013 00:13 Kurumi wrote:
bumatlarge
His case on jcarl is sound - that means, jcarl looks scummy. Bum was trying to coordinate things a little and saw Warwick as a threat.
@bum, what do you think about gtrsrs and geript?
PSA I know guitarasaurus pretty well, but I don't know how he plays mafia. I wouldn't witch hunt him yet for doing nothing, but he needs to step it up even if he didn't get what he wanted. There are better lynches.
HEAR THAT BRIAN?
I have yet to analyze geript, though my gut said mafia. I was going to but the jcarl analysis wore me out, and I scratched a whole long segment that I thought wasn't good.
@LSB
I'm not going to claim, sorry  how you managed to go for trynd was unfortunate, but what I said would have worked if it got all the way to you. Meh, you claimed so thats actually good for everyone. I agree certain people should claim, and most have, but others should not.
Tell you what though, I will claim if jcarl claims. I thought I caught him pretty good, but the fact that multiple people have called my case good yet only 4 people voted for him, and that you tried to turn it on me, tells me jcarl is a good role for scum to have. Just a feeling.
It's been a while but LSB is playing similar to another PYP game, with plans that don't really fall through. He plays weird in general, but there is methods to his madness when he's town. I don't have a read yet, but I'd like to see what he does.
If you have a good role like DT/Medic/Vet, please don't claim.
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I was answering people. I've still got a few words I want to say
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Tough crowd.
First off, jcarl is still by far my biggest scum read. Whenever I read "Well jcarlsoniv is posting better now so I guess we don't lynch him" (which I've read multiple times this thread), I get exasperated. He doesn't get less scummy because he starts making better posts. No one except for BC has even referenced points made in my analysis. I don't like jcarl's defense.
On December 03 2013 00:31 jcarlsoniv wrote:
Case against me -
It's a fine case I guess, but it's wrong.
I explained my early pinpointing of rayn above.
You focus on my aggression, but don't blink at geript's? Again, maybe this is because he is known for it, but his was more widespread. Mine was really just focused at rayn.
I did not change my opinion of speculating roles. Roffles implied that we really put in some time and nail down all the champs' extra abilities to try and strategize around it. I was pointing out that the DT roles were likely not all banned out and was considering some of the possible ones that could still be in - I thought it was relevant because scum was making an opaque push at getting rid of DTs.
I really think my points were glossed over here. I said I like aggression, but the nature of it was scummy. That part is not addressed. I don't remember ever bringing up geripts, and how someone else acts shouldn't be a reason why you aren't scum. Deflection is not a town method of defending yourself.
I'll let the speculation part go, because I did make a similar response, and it might have been seeing those two posts next to each other in the filter that fed the fire. I still want a better more detailed response, because despite what these people say:
On December 03 2013 01:14 marvellosity wrote:
I'm ok with jcarl's posts this page I think.
On December 03 2013 06:28 JonnyLaw wrote:
Soniv is questioning people and basically shrugging off the accusations. He's not acting nervous in the least to me.
I'll check which posts those are ve.
- A person doesn't get less scummy after analyzing his reasoning to be mafia. It's not like some see-saw. His accusations against gerpit are easy, and he's probably right, but active finger pointing does not forgive past sins. I can go into more depth about what he's posted recently, but he's on the chopping block and the more we force him to post, the better it is for us.
I'll try to cover geript, but I can't make any promises, I have to go to court tomorrow.
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On December 03 2013 11:36 LSB wrote:^Paraphrased. Honestly Bumatlarge is following the basic plan I used as SK from PYP3, first get an idea of where everyone is who can kill you and try to grab an ability that will make it so you cant get killed by mafia, while all the time trying to convince everyone that I have a different ability. "This would have been better for town" was the exact same reasoning I used to try to convince town I wasn't SK in PYP3. I'm sticking to my policy lynch plan. I'm thinking Bumatlarge is SK and grabbed a defensive role as a way to make sure he stays alive. I'm going to pin him as "not town". Deviation from your own plan is pretty scummy since a plan requires as much players to follow it as possible.
I'm the SK that might be in the game now? jcarlsoniv must be something juicy.
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I think VT's who tried to take a role not claimed should say so, not all VTs. That leaves too much blue information public.
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I never remember LSB being this stupid. He's being incredibly sporadic. I wish I was in on the fun, LSB 
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On December 03 2013 12:23 LSB wrote:Show nested quote +On December 03 2013 12:19 OdinOfPergo wrote:
yes... but you have 1 issue with him... and per that issue regardless of his other post you're ready to kp him for it.
This seems really odd to me. What part of he is not town is not sufficient for proof? Bum is plenty experienced to know the folly of betraying your own plan as town, as well as the potential benefits of doing so as mafia/sk.
To be fair, I did see it was a guideline, in that people could use it to see what was going to be picked. In that aspect, no one would really have to worry about tryndamere, because I would know people would have it above me, and that people wouldn't get it below me. If you didn't take it, no one would know I didn't have it, and I would simply "never use it". If push came to shove, I would claim I didn't have it if it became beneficial to use it. Any rolechecks would reveal I'm not hiding any scum oriented role.
If jcarl claims, I'll claim.
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Watch LSB have tryndamere ultimate and become unlynchable or something stupid.
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I honestly don't think we should lynch LSB, he has to be some Village Idiot, or tryndamere gets some suicidal bonus. We all know LSB is a good enough player to as both town and scum to know posting what he's posting is NOT OK. It's a hunch, but I think I'm right.
He started gunning for me as soon as I went for jcarl. Can we try to lynch jcarl instead? He jumped on me the second LSB said I should be policy lynched and didn't vote me.
I have JonnyLaw pegged as town. He was so invested in the ban phase. He aggressively questioned me on my choice of bans, and I think he has a town incentive.
On December 01 2013 09:16 JonnyLaw wrote:
Urgot is just straight kp. Why is he the best choice when we don't know the second abilities of champions. Without knowing health values or anything I'd rather ban a champ base on abilities that we can quantify.
It's along the same lines as Yorick because we're losing information. Someone more experienced explain the why to me. For now I'm not convinced Urgot is our best choice.
On December 01 2013 13:28 JonnyLaw wrote:Warwick's not a strong first pick. + Show Spoiler +At night, you may submit the name and champion name of a player This means we need to know which champion the player has successfully picked. Why pick trynd at all? Just so you know who has tryndamere? There's not a chance in hell I'm picking that champion. I plan to contribute to winning this game. Dealing damage to people above/below me does not help us win the game. I don't even understand. Actually, I must say fuck your list. I disagree strongly with most of the conclusions. I think you're scum as is.
My interactions with him have been far from a scumread. He seems like a potentially strong townie presence. He did vote himself though...(?)
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On December 03 2013 22:09 sandroba wrote:
Because I'm lazy and want him to convince everyone else.
Well, you haven't changed I'm guessing  .
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On December 03 2013 22:26 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On December 03 2013 22:03 bumatlarge wrote:
I honestly don't think we should lynch LSB, he has to be some Village Idiot, or tryndamere gets some suicidal bonus. We all know LSB is a good enough player to as both town and scum to know posting what he's posting is NOT OK. It's a hunch, but I think I'm right.
He started gunning for me as soon as I went for jcarl. Can we try to lynch jcarl instead? He jumped on me the second LSB said I should be policy lynched and didn't vote me.
bum, how do these two things together make sense? You don't think LSB is mafia, but you think LSB "coincidentally" went for you as soon as you went for jcarl? Surely that SUPPORTS the idea that LSB is mafia?? (if you think jcarl is mafia) Why would Village Idiot or SuicideBonus dude (lol) gun for you when you went for jcarl, other than they'd be mafia together?
I do think he's mafia, but he's being too silly about it. I guess I'd rather not be bamboozled rather then win. Matter of pride.
I mean it's just a hunch. Thinking it over again, it's probably too narrow to play around and I can't imagine his ability would be that bad for us if it makes it good for mafia to get lynched. Almost anyone over jonnylaw would be better IMO.
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