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I promise to be on my most gentlemanly behavior. being super active is a challenge for me, but this will always be the case unless I quit my job. as per my other games I'll of course put in effort and be effective in the time I have available, but if you're only looking for the heavyweights game level of activity, let me know and I'll grumpily (jk, graciously) sit this one out. | ||
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this is news to me. are the rest of you aware of this?? we must alert the others! | ||
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On November 20 2013 12:16 Mocsta wrote: post 4 K thrawn is town De ja ducking vu explain. you're going to burn through your posts really quickly if you write 1 to 2 liners and expect the rest of us to all be on your wavelength. | ||
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On November 20 2013 12:17 sciberbia wrote: I think Cora is most likely to be scum so far. His entrance to the thread is what I would describe as very 'safe'. It's trolly, ingratiating, and echoes what Mocsta already said. agree or disagree. agreed, very high chance imo. only potentially succeeded by this even more 'safe' entrance: On November 20 2013 12:00 sciberbia wrote: Hello everyone!  also trolly and ingratiating because why are you smiling at me? i've no idea who you are. are you my enemy? i don't know about you, but i've come from a tough city, living on the streets, forced to make a living in any way possible. i don't smile at passerby's on the street. the only people that do, do so with a smug sneer, and they are the pigs. | ||
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On November 20 2013 12:24 Mocsta wrote: post 5 Scum like to interrupt town circles, so dial down the tone will ya. I think if there are 3 scum. So far it'saquanim, sciberbia and you. Course not everyone has posted so this is tentative and subject to change. The answer to your question was in my previous post. Dr ja vu. Thrawn is contextually reading the same as I do. It's only a small point but enough for a town lean at this stage of the game. Thanks for looking out for my post count | ||
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On November 20 2013 12:57 cDgCorazon wrote: I think it is sciberia either not understanding that the first page of a game is usually just joking around or he is trying to rock the boat ridiculously early in the game. Seeing as sciberia is not new to this game, I think it's the latter. and what's wrong with rocking the boat ridiculously early in the game? did you notice that mocsta also did the same thing? according to him, from the 1st page, aqua, sciberia, and I are scum. do you only take issue with sciberia's page 1 analysis only because it's about you? | ||
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i don't see the distinction between mocsta's explicitly stating and sciberia's "window looking". how were they different? could you expand pls? | ||
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town lean on: thrawn, scib, dude whose name starts with jamp or something, onegu, rayn null on: mocsta, JJD, lone meow leaning scum on: rean, cora, aqua unclear to me why onegu is obv scum/2nd day lynch according to moc. I'll take a closer look at his filter tonight along with my null to scum reads and update who I'm comfortable lynching day 1. | ||
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I'd be curious to know whether thrown is joking around with the obv town comment or if he's 100% serious and why. | ||
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Cora+ Show Spoiler + i'm going to skip going over the whole early shaky scum read on scib since that's already been covered and addressed pretty thoroughly. things that stood out to me: On November 20 2013 13:04 cDgCorazon wrote: Where in that post do I say he is claiming mason? I was making a comment on the possibility of there being a mason after thrawn's post. If it had said in the OP "no masons in this game", then wouldn't it be suspicious? You're grasping at straws here bro. The only thing I've seen from the early game is that you are looking pretty scummy right now. i think this post is really bad. i find it pretty odd that he finds it necessary to point out that scib is "piggy backing" on him and proceeds to waste an exchange with scib on whether they were in fact clarifying the same thing with thrawn. i find it hard to find a reason why townies would have this exchange or even care. who cares? he doesn't just mention this once. he argues the point SEVERAL times and is still bringing it up ages later (along with scib's bullshit page 1 "read") as the basis for his scum read: On November 21 2013 06:57 cDgCorazon wrote: This is a stupid read and smells of fake scum-hunting: This is the post where he basically copies me and then denies it: This is where he denies copying me and he twists my words to make it look like I already assumed they were masons: Rean+ Show Spoiler + wastes his first few posts just agreeing or clarifying things, and he's not even being useful in his clarifications. what i really don't like is that when i specifically call him out to pick his brain, he doesn't even give me *ANY* interpretation of what he thinks of the player. it's totally ambiguous. then, when Aqua calls him out, his answer is totally wishy washy and shady -- gives a town-read but 100% hedges it: [QUOTE]On November 20 2013 13:04 Aquanim wrote: [QUOTE]On November 20 2013 12:55 Rean wrote: [QUOTE]On November 20 2013 12:52 Bereft wrote: Rean, what do you think of Mocsta thus far? Talks a lot, seems awfully certain of everything he says. @Rean Given this, which way are you leaning on Mocsta in terms of alignment?[/QUOTE] I'd say town, scum is typically more laidback. But could just be a good scumbag.[/QUOTE] i also find the interactions between cora and rean pretty weird and incongruous. even something small like cora calling rean out for asking for town reads i find a pretty weird point to common on -- the exchange is pointless as he doesn't draw any conclusion from it and just seems to be critiquing rean's play. what i also find noteworthy is that: (A) rean first FOS's sciberia when sciberia asks for his top scum read. (B) rean gives a soft defense of cora to moc (C) but then suddenly cora becomes a scum read and he says: [QUOTE]On November 20 2013 16:08 Rean wrote: [QUOTE]On November 20 2013 15:56 Mocsta wrote: (A) Discredit me slightly - which is OK, the problem is the non-firm opinion on Corazon or Sciberbia (B) Subtlely sway convo to Aquanim - again this could be OK in isolation, but I dont like with (A) (C) Comment about lack of followup from 5 people. [/QUOTE] B and C are there as a reminder. Aquanim feels to me like he's getting by too comfortably, but for now its a small lean towards scum as opposed to Corazon/Scib feeling much more scummy to me. And I'm not discrediting you, I want to warn you not to tunnelvision. Tunnelvision impairs you from thinking logically and it's lost me games in the past because I was convinced I was right and tried to make everything seem as if I was. Maybe that's why I seem non-commital, I don't want to repeat the same mistake. You're right that C/S are acting dodgy but don't close your mind.[/QUOTE] BUT THEN!! after aqua votes for him, IN THE VERY NEXT POST: [QUOTE]On November 21 2013 03:04 Rean wrote: [QUOTE]On November 20 2013 16:42 Aquanim wrote: [QUOTE]On November 20 2013 16:08 Rean wrote: ... [QUOTE]On November 20 2013 15:57 Aquanim wrote: @Mocsta If Corazon and sciberbia are both scum, what was their motive for going after one another as they have so early? It's focused a lot of attention on the two of them, and I can't imagine that being what scum wants. @Rean Why do you want to see me in particular pressured?[/QUOTE] To me you look like you're in the position that if I were scum I'd love: sit back, ask some questions, give some non-commital opinions from time to time and earn easy town credit while not under any real pressure. So one of your questions back at you: if you had a vig shot that only hit scum, who would you aim it at right now and why?[/QUOTE] Probably you. I don't like how easily you swallowed Corazon's case on sciberbia, given that I felt it was sketchy at best. I also don't see any particular purpose behind your posting so far - you've offered some observations when prompted but I don't see you trying to get more information and learn more about the motivations of other players, besides some half-assed and half-hearted pressuring of myself (which you tried to prompt someone else to do). In fact, the more I think about your filter the less I like it. ##Vote: Rean I'd give some consideration to shooting Corazon but even if I was convinced he was scum I think I'd learn much more from lynching him than by simply shooting him. [/QUOTE] How unexpected. You're put under pressure and you instantly accuse me to try to prove me wrong about you, but 2 posts later you're already looking for arguments to back out of it like + Show Spoiler + On November 20 2013 16:48 Aquanim wrote: Short answer to Thrawn's case: I've been messing around a bit and not committing much because I'm concerned, having looked at the players who are yet to post, that if we present them with a fait accompli lynch on Corazon they'd just sheep and we'd learn nothing about them today. I figured that by holding off on my vote and being able to address them from a position of neutrality I might be able to get something out of them. Obviously this plan has backfired, but I figure if you're going to come after me that gives them an interesting choice to make so hopefully we'll still get something useful out of them. For the same reason, I voted Rean above for the purposes of running a second wagon and introducing a choice. I'd cheerfully vote Corazon as well, his failure to actually vote for sciberbia despite his constant accusations is pretty damning. This, combined with what Thrawn already said (not gonna waste time parroting), really gives me a bad feeling about you. Enough for a ##Vote: Aquanim[/QUOTE] i spent 10 mins trying to fix those quotes in the rean spoiler. i give up, sorry guys. going through aqua and onegu's filters now. | ||
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On November 21 2013 07:08 cDgCorazon wrote: I'm not entirely sure what I'm supposed to think of Bereft, other than the fact that he is lurking. I hate lurker lynches D1. I wonder if he will come back. If I may return the favor, how do you feel about LoneMeow? Would you place him on the same lurker level as Bereft? The one post I remember of his was not a very good one. also, phrasing on this stood out to me. think whatever you want! you're not obligated to feel any particular way about me. | ||
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On November 21 2013 03:10 Rean wrote: Forgot this: I do think Cora is acting scummy but when I see people making what I think is a mistake/wrong interpretation in their arguments I still feel the need to point it out. That isn't defending Cora, it's making sure the suspicion on him is valid and not there because of flawed arguments. i really don't like this. basically he's admitting to defending Cora even though he thinks Cora is scummy. why? because he believes Mocsta's thought process is flawed. if I think someone is scum and someone arrives to the same conclusion albeit a different method, i don't see the need to correct them. it's not like he says: "yo i think the way you arrived at your conclusion a bit weak, but i agree with the ultimate end conclusion that cora is scum". he says "Mocsta, good post by post analysis but I don't agree with it all. Your points on both Scib and Corazon make sense but I think you're falling into the "he must be scum so I'll try to interpret everything he says as scummy" trap a little with Cora." if anything, i analyze their case and see if it strengthens or invalidates my own read. ##Vote: Rean | ||
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On November 21 2013 13:11 cDgCorazon wrote: Bereft, I would like to know why you don't think we should lynch Onegu. I was really puzzled when you threw that read out (as were others) and I just want to know why you see Onegu in a good light. When you said you thought he was town I got this feeling that we weren't reading the same game. i like that he came into the thread with a bunch of off the cuff reads -- to me this reads as careless, unstructured, bold. On November 20 2013 20:28 Onegu wrote: Reans first post into the thread and it just fakes activity. He doesnt say what he agrees with and there are multiple things to agree with, does he agree with all or only some he, never actually says what points he agrees with. This is a very scummy first post. Also if mocsta didnt retract his post limit on himself I was going to call him scum, but he did and I am ok with it for now. I do want to point out he only takes it after cora points out his spam. But unlike cora I thought it was scummy, because it was a easy way to avoid conversation. The was one more post from mocsta I didnt like will find it in moment it was post 4or 5 where he gives 3 scum reads with no reason and then says half the thread hasnt posted so his reads can change. Coras case on Sciberia is terribad and scummy. Anyway rean is really scumm though. Sorry Im at the mall but when I am home I will catchup on both of my games and be up late playing. Ill be checking in periodicly while Im at the mall though. if he's scum, this is not at all a "safe" post to bust into the thread with. i think it's on point that he calls mocsta's thread presence out. i really want to believe moc is town, but i keep seeing small red flags embedded in his posts. he's the first person to really do this, and if scum, i think this is also pretty bold because mocsta's obviously an aggressive player. i was accused of being scum and attempting to disrupt a town circle for telling mocsta to explain himself. he gives me a very very slight town lean (exact phrasing "starting to look better") at a time when it's totally unnecessary to do so, considering everyone else would most likely have slotted me into the "lurker, null, need to hear more from" category if prodded. admittedly his last post is a jumbled mess and i have no idea what he's saying with this: Im going to go over your reads here and just ask you how you came to these because alot were null to me or the exact opposite of what you wrote so lets go. 1 hes trying to be clever there is nothing to be overdone and there is no way a troll post like this can be scummy, fuck the police was already taken... 2 why cant sciberia find the repeat and calling of you obv town scummy, but your troll post null as it was the first post in the thread? You getting that it is scum-scum interaction I dont understand how you get that read from this post. 3 how is this agressive, you put a pregame post restriction, then start the game numbering your posts, seems like you are going to keep your post restriction up. Calling you out for it isnt agressive its correct when all your first few posts are trolling. 4 this is fine 5 he made a troll response how is that overcompensated? Doesnt make sense and him not thinking the same as you is a scum read? 6 the first part of this is correct that post was null, the second part you can only get so much info from the first page and alot of page one was trolling. Telling someone to keep looking isnt scummy, its not damage control. 7 How is this a scumslip, 2 different people thought you were masons, I know you kinda think they are both scum at this point, but when you drop lines about being connected with thrawn people might think you are masoned, no way this is a scumslip. 8 again not a scumslip 9 reans first post is uber scummy. It fakes agreeing with coras null post, and then says nothing and there is no way he thinks he is saying something meaningful. 10 iirc you had already said you werent masons so he says the only other option how is that townie? 12 meh ok 12b also fine 13 you do the samething later on when you talking about haveing such a good town atmospher so how can you give him scum points for this? 14 syas nothing why you post this, I dont know his meta so this poat means nothing... 15 still dont know how you are seeing scum scum intreactions here. Maybe you are just tunneled at this point. Also at this point you say you like aqua calling out rean. 16 again why post a completely null post? 17 This is fine, but you are like he agrees with me that mean hes awesome town 18 this has been talked about already, why are you so tunneled on scum-scum here doesnt make since. 19 the post is good that means the timeing is fine also, even if I am argueing with someone and I see something that needs questioned I will question it reguardless of what else is going on 20 admit to being tunneled 21 this is fine 22 tunneled 23 meh no point in continueing on with cora, him moveing on is fine and how he did it was fine. 24 really wishywashy post but also slightly dinstanceing himself from rean while giveing him a town read at the same time. I think this is really scummy from you mocsta. Your thoughts on rean is just really odd. but i do think it's a very strong point in his favor that his posts are coming off as being written with a lack of care as to how they'd be perceived. | ||
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On November 21 2013 13:19 raynpelikoneet wrote: ##Unvote ##Vote: Bereft You stated Onegu is your town read. You filter four guys. Three which are your scumreads, and Onegu, your town read. That makes no sense given you have null-reads you should be filtering over your townreads in case you are trying to find scum. You are just following thread sentiment and it makes no sense. In fact you never even filter Aqua and Onegu after promising to do so. it was preemptive, because i know that's the read people want explained -- mocsta already explicitly asked for my rationale as to why onegu's my town read and cora has just done the same. i gave him a town read based on a gut read which i read from my phone. if i instinctively think someone's post reads town and my strong town reads think he's scummy, why would that not warrant a reread, especially when i know mocsta's already expecting an analysis breakdown? | ||
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i don't see a situation where a majority of the people here would prefer to lynch lonemeow or mocsta over rean, cora, or aqua. do you disagree? if i find 3 people scummy, should i not be analyzing the one i would most prefer to lynch? also FWIW i have looked at aqua's filter and my gut read has been dampened somewhat. right now i'm still thinking about it, but if you want me to bang out some half baked thoughts to "meet expectations" i will be happy to accommodate. | ||
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On November 21 2013 13:49 raynpelikoneet wrote: I want to lynch Bereft for the way he prioritizes things. That's fucking scummy. Notice Aqua was one of his three scumreads to filter. Now he has filtered Rean/Cora, has his vote on Rean, and defended Onegu's posts. He hasn't even read all his scumread's filters yet there is already a vote. A big no. Now sleep. also, another point in response to this -- just because i didn't post about it doesn't mean i haven't thought about it (it being aqua and his filter). i find aqua's filter warrants further investigation and thought, whereas rean's filter is strong enough to warrant a vote almost immediately. my initial gut read on aqua being scum was due to: (a) the 'town' read on mocsta due to his 'non sarcastic' response, (b) the unnecessary question about day vigging when there was already a good thread of conversation going, and (c) the sudden rean vote. but since then he's posted quite a bit of substantial stuff, and he's obviously a smart, analytical thinker, so i think his posts require a bit of care and fresh eyes. either way, i don't see anything wrong with voting Rean when i like my case on him and i'm somewhat on the fence re: aqua. if you're town, i don't know what you're trying to accomplish by jumping on me for such a minor point i proceeded to IMMEDIATELY explain and then disappearing from the thread. what are you hoping to accomplish? you do realize we are 22 hours away from the deadline in a game of majority lynch?? | ||
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why don't you bold where i'm calling him scum? i'm asking him what he's trying to accomplish. if it's obvious to you what he's trying to accomplish, please enlighten me. | ||
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cora, why did you find it so necessary to highlight scib's piggybacking on that mason's comment? and multiple times, no less. it's not even like it was a read. it was a clarification question. how is scib phrasing a clarification question 2 minutes after you did scummy? | ||
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On November 21 2013 14:28 Onegu wrote: I never made a case on you its a case on mocsta where the quote tags got messed up somehow... if it's not a case on cora, what's your case for voting cora? | ||
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##Vote: Rayn I think its completely irrational for a townie to bust into the thread the way rayn is doing now flinging shit like an angry bull. there is no reason for him to be behaving this way as town. | ||
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On November 22 2013 01:15 raynpelikoneet wrote: Yeah in every single game i actually play i am considdered ascummy, it's something you should know. When i am obv-town i am usually scum. Something you should know too. Rayn, with every post you write I only want to lynch you more. I'm at work, but if anyone other than yourself wants to pick my brain or discuss, I'll do my best to oblige. you are completely crumbling and I think you've called nearly every single person in this thread scummy and I have no desire to engage with you as (a) I have 0 tolerance for your attitude and (b) you're doing a perfectly fine job shooting yourself in the foot without any of my prodding. its not my job to convince you you are scum. its my job to get a majority mislynch right now. Cora how do you interpret rayn's behavior? do you read it purely as an ego trip? what do you think of the fact that first he claims jampi not voting for him is scummy, then follows it up with the argument that if onegu votes for him, then onegu is scummy? why do you think its more beneficial to keep a toxic player around who gives the fake intention of martyring (without actually intending to be a martyr) vs an analytical level headed player who's at least giving the impression of being as transparent as possible? | ||
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because trying to get a lynch on my scum read vs a no lynch day 1 is anti town. cmon rayn, you're making me literally cringe here. in any case let's not shit up the thread. obviously I'm not going to convince you to vote yourself and you aren't going to convince me to vote myself. | ||
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Rean, you caught up on the thread yet? HF, how far along are you? | ||
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On November 22 2013 08:05 raynpelikoneet wrote: Why is everyone saying "rayn is scum because he does not give a fuck about who we lynch as long as that is not Rean"? How does that make me scum? do you need it spelled out for you? why do you care so much about potentially mislynching Rean, but you don't have ANY qualms about lynching anyone else in the game? you DO realize it's not 2 town vs. 10 mafia, right? who's your strongest town read after Rean? Onegu? and how about after that? also, it's pretty obvious so I don't know why it begs repeating, but it's the job of every responsible townie to not throw away their vote and get a majority lynch on a scum read right now. scib, I'm looking at you. | ||
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On November 22 2013 08:17 raynpelikoneet wrote: WHY THE FUCK DO YOU CARE ABOUT MY TOWNREADS? WHAT'S THIS POST ABOUT? I just made a post on my top lynch target, and you ask me about fucking townreads. Well here you go. Onegu is town Rean is town Lonemeow/Holyflare is town Jampidampi is town Corazon is town sciberbia is most likely town Aquanim is most likely town there. because you've just about claimed everyone here is scum so your scum reads are a useless metric. your reads change every five minutes based on convenience anyways and I'm going to nail you to the fucking wall with them once I get home. | ||
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On November 22 2013 09:21 Mocsta wrote: Yes (if its true) Im still catching up on the thread so do not know whether onegu is stating fact, or interpretation. Either way, if it is interpretation I don't think it was malicious, ok, fair enough. i'm around and happy to expand or explain my thought process, we're less than 3 hours away from a lynch, you do realize? in my post where i wrote why i think onegu is town, i've explicitly stated that i've no idea towards the end of his massive stream of consciousness post what he's trying to say: On November 21 2013 13:32 Bereft wrote: i like that he came into the thread with a bunch of off the cuff reads -- to me this reads as careless, unstructured, bold. if he's scum, this is not at all a "safe" post to bust into the thread with. i think it's on point that he calls mocsta's thread presence out. i really want to believe moc is town, but i keep seeing small red flags embedded in his posts. he's the first person to really do this, and if scum, i think this is also pretty bold because mocsta's obviously an aggressive player. i was accused of being scum and attempting to disrupt a town circle for telling mocsta to explain himself. he gives me a very very slight town lean (exact phrasing "starting to look better") at a time when it's totally unnecessary to do so, considering everyone else would most likely have slotted me into the "lurker, null, need to hear more from" category if prodded. admittedly his last post is a jumbled mess and i have no idea what he's saying with this: but i do think it's a very strong point in his favor that his posts are coming off as being written with a lack of care as to how they'd be perceived. | ||
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On November 22 2013 08:42 raynpelikoneet wrote: No they don't. They change after i interact with people and based on what they say. Unlike yours. <3 please. your list of townies are either: (a) people who aren't voting for you (b) people who are voting for you but you think you can sway otherwise. On November 22 2013 08:17 raynpelikoneet wrote: Yeah and Mocsta might be town. how else did mocsta go from being definite scum buddies with me to being possibly town from this ONE post??? On November 22 2013 08:07 Mocsta wrote: @Sciberbia, jamidampi, rean Why are you not voting Raynpelikoneet? guys i went back and checked the thread. particularly pages 40 to 41. rayn goes from being extremely confident that mocsta is scum to falling on blatant pathos towards mocsta when all mocsta had said since coming back to the thread after going to bed the night before is the post above. so how has his read changed so drastically? if we are to take his change of heart seriously, it means that THAT ONE POST BY MOCSTA CHANGED HIS MIND. he essentially goes from: On November 22 2013 02:35 raynpelikoneet wrote: One last thing before i am off for a while. Mocsta and Bereft [u]literally claimed scum. There is no question about it. As they are saying they do not believe my actions a wwhile ago were because of what i explained later on, they can't retract from their scumclaims - because "that's not what townies do". This is pretty clear. There is no way they were gauging reactions or something because my actions couldn't be interpreted in any other light but scummy. There is no way for them to bullshit themselves out of this one. Therefore you should lynch me. When i flip town it is 100% confirmed that Mocsta and Bereft both claimed scum. to On November 22 2013 08:27 raynpelikoneet wrote: All he does is shit on me. And in the same sentence he tell people to not talk about me If you are town i can guarantee thrawn is scum. But, plz, we need to lynch JJD. Mocsta, you know me, i do dumb (looking) stuff as town. But i have reasons for it. I have given my reasons. All these people i have never played before do not understand it. Look at Jampidampi, look at Onegu. They know my shit. They are not votingfor me. Why? They know what i do is not scumlike. Fuck jampidampi's behavior when i went "batshit crazy" on him was so 100% town. He knows NWM. He knows me and thinks critically. Apparenty you at least attempted to do so. haha. For a second think about it. If you can't understand it then okay, i fucked up. Then you vote for me. That's not the end of the world and i still have my reads to offer. But JJD - i tell you - he is scum. He is so very scum i suggest you read my case on him. again, the only thing mocsta had poste when rayn starts to change his mind is the one i quoted. | ||
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On November 22 2013 10:01 raynpelikoneet wrote: Holyflare is also 100% town. hahaha. classic. anyone who thinks you are town is town. | ||
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On November 22 2013 10:03 sciberbia wrote: You know Cora's vote is on you right now, right? see my post on his criteria on how he determines town. cora falls into the (b) category of people who are voting with him but are unhappy with his lynch, ie. people he thinks he has a chance of swaying away from voting him. notice how mocsta has fallen back into the guaranteed scum category after he was unmoving towards rayn's appeal to pathos. | ||
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On November 22 2013 10:04 thrawn2112 wrote: But do you think he's playing scummily? It is very easy to lynch someone saying that you can't see their posts as coming from town. And I disagree because I actually can see town rayn doing this even if I'm not convinced it's the case.What do you think about this? yes, i think he's playing scummy. his cases are built on air and yet he's 100% certain myself and quite a few others are scum -- UNLESS of course it suits him to be nice to them. how can he be 100% certain mocsta, jjd, and I are scum? i wouldn't even place my confidence interval on whether i think HE is scum that high, and i feel strongly about this lynch. | ||
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On November 22 2013 10:15 sciberbia wrote: @Aquanim, Bereft You could apply these descriptions of his play even more accurately to past games where he was town. Here are some quotes from rayn's filter on D1 of ego mini mafia where he is town. Notice that he somehow has ridiculous conviction in his reads, even though they are changing almost every half hour. And oftentimes he didn't even give a reason. + Show Spoiler [rayn] + On April 05 2013 09:22 raynpelikoneet wrote: Sciberbia wants to claim or fakeclaim a miller. ggyo. ::E Vote: Sciberbia On April 05 2013 09:25 raynpelikoneet wrote: kill WoS? better? On April 05 2013 09:45 raynpelikoneet wrote: oh fuck, just kill sciberbia. and then WoS. GG. On April 05 2013 09:55 raynpelikoneet wrote: ##Unvote: sciberbia ##Vote: WaveOfShadow On April 05 2013 10:36 raynpelikoneet wrote: ##Unvote ##Vote: iamperfection On April 05 2013 10:44 raynpelikoneet wrote: Can we kill WoS? On April 05 2013 10:51 raynpelikoneet wrote: ##Unvote: iamperfection ##Vote: Wave Of Shadow guaranteed scum D1. On April 05 2013 11:02 raynpelikoneet wrote: ##Unvote: Wave Of Shadow ##Vote: AxleGreaser Okay this is the best lynch. Look at his lat post rofl. On April 05 2013 11:47 raynpelikoneet wrote: sry. iwas kinda fucked up. ##Unvote: AxleGreaser ##Vote: Wave of Shadow On April 06 2013 10:56 raynpelikoneet wrote: ##Unvote ##Vote: sciberbia On April 06 2013 11:01 raynpelikoneet wrote: yeah sciberia is mafia, can we just kill him? On April 07 2013 03:33 raynpelikoneet wrote: I'm starting to think WoS is actually town.. Cna we lynch sci? On April 07 2013 08:40 raynpelikoneet wrote: Okay, i want to kill Ace... Here's a link to the full filter: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=406168&user=raynpelikoneet i skimmed it, but i'm not seeing it. perhaps i'm tunneled, but the tone of voice, the way he approaches the thread and pushes his reads are totally different. | ||
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looks like aqua has gone from scum to town back to scum when he shows no indication of being swayed. lol. | ||
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On November 22 2013 00:15 Bereft wrote: basically I agree 100% with what thrawn said. rayns acting in a manner that makes it quite unlikely he's town, but in the off chance that he is, his attitude is horrible and I'd much rather have Rean around than him. if you can give me a strong case on why rayn is town and worth keeping around and why onegu/rean/cora are a better lynch, i will consider it. | ||
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On November 22 2013 08:06 raynpelikoneet wrote: Rean you better be town this gme, otherwise i look so fucking bad to everyone playing mafia on TL i also think this post is really fking weird. | ||
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On November 22 2013 11:16 sciberbia wrote: + Show Spoiler [Bereft] + On November 22 2013 10:59 Bereft wrote: scib, here's the thing. i am not unwilling to compromise. it's not like i have no doubt in my mind. but rayn is not just my strongest read -- i don't see any value in keeping him around. as i stated when i voted for him, i think he's incredibly antitown with a terribly off-putting attitude. of course that attitude is gone now that he's under fire, but i think the way he busted into this thread on his high horse around page 33 is unacceptable. if you can give me a strong case on why rayn is town and worth keeping around and why onegu/rean/cora are a better lynch, i will consider it. @Bereft I can't make a strong case that rayn is town, as I'm honestly not sure what to expect from a scum rayn, but I do think that everything I've seen from him this game town rayn is capable of doing. Also I don't like the idea of lynching someone because "if he's town then he's worthless so it's a win-win". I dislike it in general. And specifically to rayn, if this helps you not lynch him, the last two times I've played with town rayn he has contributed significantly to town after questionable day 1's. There's nothing more for me to say about onegu, cora, and rean as they are all NOT HERE, which should be telling. What is holding you back from lynching them? also, it's not so relevant now that Cora has unvoted, but I drew you this: ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/nsg2TE5.png) | ||
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guys, we need +2 on this. Cora, why do you think a no lynch is better than a rayn lynch? do you really think NOTHING rayn has posted warrants suspicion??? | ||
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HF, scib we have about 5 minutes so i suggest you switch to rayn now and we take a hard look at cora tomorrow. i don't think it's feasible to get all 5 of us currently voting rayn to switch in the last 5 minutes. | ||
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as per my diagram: when who you would lynch based on scum reads coincides with who you would lynch based on policy, it's not hard to become stuck or tunneled on the player in question. I chose not to interact with him because he was spamming the thread and came off unwilling to listen to reason. anyone who confronted him HAD to be scum (see JJD, Mocsta). if you look back around page 30 or so (sorry I'm on my phone) when he jumps on me for having bad priorities, I try to engage and talk with him, but he just peaces out and goes to bed. whatever, it's 6am in Finland, I'm annoyed but willing to let that slide...but when he comes back the next day, there's no attempt to analyze anything I've said or have a dialogue with me. he rides in on his high horse, calls everything bullshit, and insults/points his finger everywhere, clogging up the thread with what appears to be no more than 5 second long analysis. IF(PLAYER THINKS IM SCUM, THEN HE'S SCUM, ELSE TOWN). it's like when you see a dangerous and crazy looking person in the street shouting at passerbys and you veer off course to walk around them. do you find it hard to see why I had no intention of interacting with him? in my mind, it was a good and fair lynch up till about 8pm EST (2 hours before the deadline) when my town reads came back into the thread and voiced misgivings about the lynch choice and it became clear Rean was lurking and Onegu, Jampi were all absent. in retrospect, I should've stepped back and worked with them to find a better 2nd candidate, but (and this is where the 3rd circle of that Venn diagram comes into play) when it's close to the deadline and the person I'm tunneled on getting lynched is within grasp, it's hard to take a step back and rethink my stance. its like dangling something a toddler wants within arm's reach - it was hard for me to look away and reevaluate whether there was a better option further away across the room, and to change course so last minute seemed to put heavily risk a no lunch and put our consolidation into jeopardy. with hindsight obviously I don't think it was a good lynch. but I do not think that it was an unfair lynch given the information available. I think the fact that you did not need to be persuaded to vote rayn implies that you agree, no? as a final point, yours and scib's defense rested purely on "rayn could do this as town". I'm fine with analysis without meta or analysis with meta, but the defense of rayn read to me as pure meta without analysis, which I found weak. maybe that's not how you guys intended it, but with the clock ticking down and rushed posting, that's how I read it. let me know if you need me to explain any further. | ||
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On November 23 2013 02:30 Holyflare wrote: Yes, rayn pushes any target he has forever, wrong or right. If he's alive he can screw up the thread in that respect (as you guys saw). If his reads were wrong a scum team that knows him would keep him alive. So most likely his reads were right and he got lynched ("policy lynched") for it. Cora, Holyflare: if you think I (or JJD or Mocsta for that matter) are scum, come at me bro. let me know what specifically you find scummy about me and what issues you take with my play and I'll do my best to explain my thought process to you as I did with thrawn. don't FOS me on the basis that "rayn was town and since he was lynched his scum reads are probably right". that's a flimsy argument to make - being town does not make you infallible. do you honestly think JJD, mocsta, and I are the mafia trifecta, in your own independent assessments? if yes, tell me why, because I'm inclined to think rayn is 0 out of 3 on this one. | ||
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yeah that was more directed at HF than you. wasn't quite following your line of reasoning but thought you were insinuating the same thing (due to the part JJD bolded). I see what you're trying to say now though. I haven't really thought about it, but hypothesizing like that by itself will be an unproductive mind fuck for me. I think it's possible there was scum on rayn's wagon only by virtue of the fact that I have some suspicions of 1-2 people on that list. | ||
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naturally I find the afkers suspicious, esp onegu and rean, but I haven't had a chance to reread filters. probably won't have a chance to go through them till later tonight or tomorrow though. aqua is actually coming off as fairly town to me right now, but I suspect that while maybe 2 scum are in the obviously sketchy lurker group, 1 is hiding in plain sight among my proactive, townie reads. the town read I plan to reevaluate is aqua. | ||
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On November 23 2013 15:44 thrawn2112 wrote: Most of it reaffirms the points I brought up. The rest of it is along the lines of "in hindsight I should have done this" which is not any kind of explanation at all. Anyone can tell you what they should have done in hindsight to avoid telling you why they did what they did. thrawn, i specifically wrote that breakdown of my thought process because i'm pretty confident you are town and i don't want you to get derailed on me. i'm not sure how i can break it down further since there are only so many ways i can explain how when your top scum read = your policy lynch, it's a no-brainer. i included that bit about 'in hindsight' only because i'm not so proud to think that even though i was wrong, it was the smart or right lynch. but i do stand with the belief that it was a fair lynch. is it not clear to you from my post history why rayn was my top lynch yesterday? anyhow, moving on: @Holyflare Holyflare, do you have any actual intention of responding to this post? since you're willing to state you believe rayn was lynched, it's not reaching to believe you think moc, JJD, and myself are scum, correct? so where are your cases? On November 23 2013 03:34 Bereft wrote: Cora, Holyflare: if you think I (or JJD or Mocsta for that matter) are scum, come at me bro. let me know what specifically you find scummy about me and what issues you take with my play and I'll do my best to explain my thought process to you as I did with thrawn. don't FOS me on the basis that "rayn was town and since he was lynched his scum reads are probably right". that's a flimsy argument to make - being town does not make you infallible. do you honestly think JJD, mocsta, and I are the mafia trifecta, in your own independent assessments? if yes, tell me why, because I'm inclined to think rayn is 0 out of 3 on this one. i would like you to give your real thought process behind your claim, because i'm not buying this at all: On November 23 2013 12:06 Holyflare wrote: Like i said earlier "i think thrawn is very towny" so he was my most likely save, if i get vigd and flip doctor you then knew who my heal was on and so it stops any attempted shenanigans that scum can pull. He should get free town cred by way of this. If it gets to night 2 however and a double shot happens then seriously reconsider etc etc. That was my line of thought anyway considering you didn't respond to scib asking who your real save was, i'm inclined to think it was really thrawn. if so, what exactly was the strategy for claiming? you say it's so that if you were vig'd, town would know who you saved and by way of default thrawn is automatically cleared as town --> i don't believe this. aqua brought up a really good point: you would say this only if you were REALLY CONVINCED there's a doc AND a vig this game, because you know there's about a 0.0001% chance scum is going to hit you. also, thrawn is doing a decent enough job of getting town reads on his own, so how does you saving him PROVE he's town? this is equivalent to your "rayn's reads are right because he's town" argument, and i'll repeat: being town does not make you infallible. i also notice you don't say anything about what you think scum did or how you think they reacted to your claim. this is just weird to me, because surely you must've been going through it in your head and strategizing about whether to make a claim like that -- otherwise, what's the point? do you think they just left their vote on thrawn and let their KP go to waste? or do you think they had their vote on thrawn and instead of placing it on someone else, they decided to save their KP for tomorrow night instead? or do you think that there are other blue roles at play? (RB/vet/etc) | ||
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On November 23 2013 18:09 thrawn2112 wrote: While I'm on the topic of Aquanim posts that seem contrived... Does this remind anyone of anything? no, what is it supposed to remind me of? if Aqua is scum, what's his motivation for taking the time to defend me? obviously if i'm scum the motivation is clear as day. but i know i am town, and say for a moment you accept this as fact too -- what's his motivation then? because i'm genuinely curious. | ||
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real talk yo (i don't know how to add headers in spoiler) + Show Spoiler + i'm pretty new to mafia so maybe i misunderstand the connotations behind the phrase "policy lynch" because i do not mean to imply i didn't give a shit about mislynching. i didn't lynch rayn because i was angry and i didn't care what he would flip. whenever i vote for a lynch candidate, i'm never 100% confident. what i've been trying to say is that with rayn, i had a high confidence level he was scum (placing numbers on this is a bit arbitrary, but let's say 85%). with every lynch you have to think about the risk/reward involved. so in my head, it was like i had an 85% chance of hitting scum and a 15% chance of hitting town. but IF i was wrong and i did hit town, it was not a total waste of a lynch because i believed a town rayn would hinder the town win con. i did read your rant to Mocsta, and i will admit it influenced the very hindsight analysis you criticized. i wanted to analyze my actions without being proud, and to discern whether i subconsciously lost sight of the correct objective, or correct line of reasoning, if you will. | ||
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On November 22 2013 14:10 Aquanim wrote: I'm inclined to think that after pushing my wagon hard at the start of the day and being a pretty strong townread for most people it's entirely understandable that a town Thrawn would decide to step back a little. If one apes the spotlight for the entire day then that doesn't give you as much opportunity to learn about other people. I agree that if he does not maintain a high thread presence going forward I will be reassessing Thrawn. what was the point behind this? it comes off as fluff. or is it meant to be a soft defense of thrawn with the caveat that he needs more activity? that being said, i think Aqua would be a horrible lynch for today given the other candidates out there. unless he shoots himself in the foot / something in the thread drastically changes, i can pretty safely say i won't be voting for him today. | ||
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On November 23 2013 19:05 Onegu wrote: @bereft Serious question how new are you? This drasticly influeances my read on you. Im going to make my case on you anyway because its halfway done and alot of is still relevant for you to answer so... what you're saying is your case which you've spent hours upon hours writing rests largely on me being a newb? ...i look forward to reading it. if you are so convinced i'm scum, and my "meta" (i'm using the word "meta" loosely -- here my "meta" would be being a noob) can "drastically influence" your read on me, do you not think it worth your time to glance over a previous scum game of mine? versus say, spending a million hours writing up a case. here, have one: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=432880&user=Bereft the filter is only 2 pages. it should only take about 15 minutes, then you can go back to spending another 4 hours writing the 2nd half of your case. | ||
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On November 23 2013 19:33 Onegu wrote: No it has to do with my ability to read newbies, and stop I have already said Im not at home and playing this game isnt my top priority at the moment, but I here I responding to people and makeing the case, you will get it. And basicly I was asking if this was the only site you have played on, but your really agressive answer to a simple question is telling. what do you guys make of this exchange? Onegu I don't understand why you would spend so much time writing up a case without exploring all the facts if a simple piece of information would "drastically influence" your read. if you're as confident as you seem to be with your read, why wouldn't you question or think about my characteristics as a player? did you even read the filter I gave you? it comes off to me as if you feel obligated to go through mine, JJD, and Moc's filters without an open mind, trying to find as many scummy things as possible to be consistent. in answer to your previous question, yes, i've only played on TL and i played a game or 2 in 2010/early 2011, and since then i've played in 3 Newbies as town and White Flag as scum (which I linked you to). how would you reevaluate your reads based on this? (to the other players, i'm in no means trying to play the newb card right now -- i'd like to see Onegu's follow through and how his reads change based on this since he claims it does) | ||
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On November 23 2013 23:34 JarJarDrinks wrote: Want to repoint this out because aqua picked up on it and didn't really follow up: Not quite a scumslip, but pretty close I think. Cora posted quite a bit about how Onegu was likley scum because of how he voted. He made a post right before the flip where he wrote his name in red caps 3 times and then he made several posts after about how scummy he was. So how exactly can someone who believes that say "I think if there was a scum OFF the Rayn lynch, it is very likely to be [Jampi]." His brain shouldn't even be able to process that sentence. He tries to cover it up when questioned by saying: Yeah I meant BESIDES Onegu. But you would think that he wouldn't forget his top scum read. why don't you expand on what exactly you were thinking? I know you were theory crafting before about what reasons scum would have to keep Rayn alive versus lynching him. what were your conclusions? why are you so certain scum held their kill and how does this tie in with HF's claim? | ||
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you were debating before whether scum would rather have rayn alive or dead. what did you conclude and how does conclusion tie in with your reads? i was under the impression you thought they would like to keep him alive so they would almost all be off the rayn train. do you really think JJD is scum or are you just pissed off with him? i take it currently your scum reads are HF, onegu, and...? if the scum team is HF, onegu, and X, why would they hold back their NK and be confident enough of a mislynch as you stated earlier? onegu is 1 of the front runners for d2 lynch and HF for d3 (in my head at least). | ||
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On November 24 2013 11:50 sciberbia wrote: @Aquanim Desert Mini Mafia. Cases on sylencia and sn0_man at various points in the game iirc. Not as large as his case on bereft but imo they were stronger cases analytically. @Aquanim, Cora How likely do you think Mocsta is to be scum? I wasn't a big fan of his D1, and his D2 so far looks pretty troubling to me. + Show Spoiler + On November 24 2013 09:26 Mocsta wrote: I'm not happy with how this cycle has started. Theres been a couple cases - resulting in delurks to dismiss (e.g. Scibs to Onegu); but in my opinion, no one has seriously tried to drive the thread towards a lynch. Maybe the weekend is a valid excuse - heck I was busy as, yesterday; and somewhat today. However, I still expect town to make check-ins (much like I did yesterday). Its not hard, is it? This leads to be disappointed people like Rean/jampidampi are non-existent, and in particular, players like JJD/Bereft have barely posted. The game is not solved, everyone needs to step up and contribute more: query posts, build cases, push a scum target So he gives a lecture about how we all need to step it up and get a scum lynch today. But then what does he proceed to do? Do a massive post-by-post analysis 'proving' how Cora is TOWN. + Show Spoiler + On November 24 2013 09:31 Mocsta wrote: I obviously haven't had a chance to look into Scibs filter in detail (or at all) since i was consumed with Corazon. Things I remember from Scibs - Terrible case on Corazon - Came in and gave a town read on Rayn, and then semi-AFK'd, he stated he wanted Onegu lynched as a priority but it was clear he was happy playing second-fiddle - Gives a defense of Bereft; and if Onegu was his best scum read, *SHOULD* have followed through with why Onegu is intentionally misrepresenting play and why Onegu is the best lynch for today. Essentially 2 cycles in a row, Scibs is happy emailing everyone a bulletin of his intentions and doing nothing to campaign for them. ##Unvote ##Vote: Sciberbia If someone wants to filter dive him whilst I'm gone, and prove otherwise - go ahead. until that point in time, he is most definitely the best lynch for today. Then he puts about 10% of that effort into a bad, half-assed case on me in which he admits he has't even reread my filter, and votes for me. So as I see it, he's writing a bad case about me without any real effort and I don't know if he really has a reasonable expectation of getting me lynched today. How can he conclude that I'm 'most definitely' the best lynch without even reading my filter? His talking about Cora and myself just side-tracked us even further. Also I find it suspicious how his reads flip-flop so hard that he never really commits to anything at all. First rayn was a policy lynch. Then he says 80% of the reason for voting rayn is because he thinks rayn is scum. And then after rayn flips town he says that it was always just a policy lynch. He keeps flip-flopping on me, Cora, Aquanim, Onegu.. pretty much every read and it's really hindering our progress, especially when he brings up old stuff and reverses his previous opinion on it. In conclusion, I think Mocsta could very well be scum and want some outside opnions of his cases on me and recent play. Do you think his vote on me looks like a townie move? i realize this is not directed at me, but i agree with this. his play day 1 was acceptable to me, but since he's come back into the thread day 2, i think his town curtain is falling... that case and vote on you is absolutely ludicrous. previously i had a suspicion that one scum was hiding among my pro town reads. based on today's posting, i'm pretty confidant it's NOT aqua and quite suspicious that it's mocsta. | ||
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i'm not saying this is damning, but this is quite interesting... mocsta to onegu: On November 23 2013 17:39 Mocsta wrote: You are hard tunneled, because I answered your question in my reply. I was stating that the same response in is my filter. You said scum will be pushing you this cycle. As far as I know, the only person with an agenda to come after you *solely* is Sciberbia. Do you have a updated opinion on Scibs? mocsta to artanis in marv's game: On November 18 2013 09:53 Mocsta wrote: Running behind schedule, works a bitch today and Im only up to p124. Things I want to say before deadline. (1) Artanis: You are tunneled. Your issues with me are because I do not play the game the same way you choose to. That is not an indicator of scum. Everyone that has played with me many times realises this is how I play town. Further, all your reads on other players hinge upon their thought process on me. You should know association reads are terribad. You are obsessed beyond reason. Unfortunately, the way you walk people through your mindset makes me lean town. You need to drop this; or if you can't, fine -- Accept there are other players in the game that *must* be scum and look there. | ||
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I said this yesterday: On November 23 2013 18:11 Bereft wrote: thrawn, i specifically wrote that breakdown of my thought process because i'm pretty confident you are town and i don't want you to get derailed on me. i'm not sure how i can break it down further since there are only so many ways i can explain how when your top scum read = your policy lynch, it's a no-brainer. i included that bit about 'in hindsight' only because i'm not so proud to think that even though i was wrong, it was the smart or right lynch. but i do stand with the belief that it was a fair lynch. is it not clear to you from my post history why rayn was my top lynch yesterday? anyhow, moving on: @Holyflare Holyflare, do you have any actual intention of responding to this post? since you're willing to state you believe rayn was lynched, it's not reaching to believe you think moc, JJD, and myself are scum, correct? so where are your cases? i would like you to give your real thought process behind your claim, because i'm not buying this at all: considering you didn't respond to scib asking who your real save was, i'm inclined to think it was really thrawn. if so, what exactly was the strategy for claiming? you say it's so that if you were vig'd, town would know who you saved and by way of default thrawn is automatically cleared as town --> i don't believe this. aqua brought up a really good point: you would say this only if you were REALLY CONVINCED there's a doc AND a vig this game, because you know there's about a 0.0001% chance scum is going to hit you. also, thrawn is doing a decent enough job of getting town reads on his own, so how does you saving him PROVE he's town? this is equivalent to your "rayn's reads are right because he's town" argument, and i'll repeat: being town does not make you infallible. i also notice you don't say anything about what you think scum did or how you think they reacted to your claim. this is just weird to me, because surely you must've been going through it in your head and strategizing about whether to make a claim like that -- otherwise, what's the point? do you think they just left their vote on thrawn and let their KP go to waste? or do you think they had their vote on thrawn and instead of placing it on someone else, they decided to save their KP for tomorrow night instead? or do you think that there are other blue roles at play? (RB/vet/etc) he hasn't come back to me at all, except to say this: On November 24 2013 09:59 Holyflare wrote: Also, some guy asked me to claim my flavour at some point, I think it was bereft? What is the point of that when scum get fake claims? if he thinks my post was asking me to post his flavor, that has GOT to be intentional misinterpretation. did anyone ask for his flavor prior to that post? he later comes back with this: On November 24 2013 10:09 Holyflare wrote: I've told you my reasons for claiming doctor and somebody implied they changed when quite clearly they didn't. I returned to the thread and didn't say much. Today was most likely to be an entire day of "oh HF is really scummy lets talk about his complete lack of posts and infer stuff about them when we have no idea" not only did revealing avoid that but I think thrawn was likely to get killed because I think mocsta is scum and he had a high buddy buddy association with thrawn. Mocsta is prime suspect number 1 coming out of this by the way. He calls cora town straight off the bat after the lynch and THEN does a filter dive to say that cora is town all over again. What would be the point in confirming someone he already has a read on? He wants credit from the town by way of appearing to contribute information. He get's called out for playing to an anti-town win con and then says oh "another high horse player, you don't even believe what you're writing" in order to poo-poo players off actual logic. this means there was zero real strategy behind his claim -- he didn't in fact think about what scum did or how they reacted to his claim. this is basically impossible unless he is scum himself. also if you take a look at his filter, he has done zero actual scum hunting. since the end of day 1, he has only talked about how the rayn lynch was dumb (funny how he has so much to say about it NOW, when on day 1 he didn't actually try to convince us why the rayn lynch was bad other than "guys i've played with him before and i'm SURE he's town"...then proceeded to vote for him anyway). he has not questioned anybody and seems to not care about sussing out scum -- he even has to be called out to come into the thread: On November 24 2013 09:57 Aquanim wrote: @Holyflare: just because you've claimed doctor doesn't mean you get to peace out and not contribute anything today. I think you're online at the moment, so why not come in and talk to us? On November 24 2013 09:57 Holyflare wrote: What's up? i've played with Holyflare before and i know for a fact Holyflare prides himself on being a good scum hunter. why then is his attitude so different this game? he also showed far more initiative in the game i played with him (where he was town). here, he has barely even addressed anyone and seems indifferent to picking at peoples' brains. i think this is a pretty strong characteristic for a first-time scummer, which I am quite sure HF is. i just crashed and burned in white flag mafia, and HF's filter is displaying everything my filter did in that game. ##Vote: Holyflare on a side note, as i've stated, i do have suspicions of mocsta, but after reading HF's filter, i'm more confident in this read than I am in mocsta. i think mocsta would only be a better lynch if i become more confident after going through his filter with a fine tooth comb. | ||
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On November 24 2013 11:56 cDgCorazon wrote: @sci No, I don't think Mocsta is scum. I think he's just being Mocsta. This same kind of random-ass tunnel crap he's given is the same reason Rayn is dead. I don't think it's because Mocsta is scum, I think it is because Mocsta is trying to chase every single thing that makes someone a potential scum member. i'm not taking an issue with mocsta being thorough. that's fine. i'm taking issue with him making a horrible case and having very inconsistent reads. do you think there's any actual substance behind this post? i think it's fine (albeit bizarre) that he chooses to comment on scib's motives, given the wealth of other glaring things to look at today. but i find it incredibly scummy of him to actually say "until that point in time, he is most definitely the best lynch for today". On November 24 2013 09:31 Mocsta wrote: I didn't think it would take 13minutes for a response. But whatevers, I obviously haven't had a chance to look into Scibs filter in detail (or at all) since i was consumed with Corazon. Things I remember from Scibs - Terrible case on Corazon - Came in and gave a town read on Rayn, and then semi-AFK'd, he stated he wanted Onegu lynched as a priority but it was clear he was happy playing second-fiddle - Gives a defense of Bereft; and if Onegu was his best scum read, *SHOULD* have followed through with why Onegu is intentionally misrepresenting play and why Onegu is the best lynch for today. Essentially 2 cycles in a row, Scibs is happy emailing everyone a bulletin of his intentions and doing nothing to campaign for them. ##Unvote ##Vote: Sciberbia If someone wants to filter dive him whilst I'm gone, and prove otherwise - go ahead. until that point in time, he is most definitely the best lynch for today. he also says this: On November 24 2013 09:26 Mocsta wrote: (A) I'm not happy with how this cycle has started. Theres been a couple cases - resulting in delurks to dismiss (e.g. Scibs to Onegu); but in my opinion, no one has seriously tried to drive the thread towards a lynch. Maybe the weekend is a valid excuse - heck I was busy as, yesterday; and somewhat today. However, I still expect town to make check-ins (much like I did yesterday). Its not hard, is it? This leads to be disappointed people like Rean/jampidampi are non-existent, and in particular, players like JJD/Bereft have barely posted. The game is not solved, everyone needs to step up and contribute more: query posts, build cases, push a scum target I don't like the way he tries to establish thread leader presence given that he was afk for a chunk of this cycle himself -- it comes off as forced and an attempt to paint himself in a protown light. he then tells people that we're complacent and that the game is not solved. that sentence makes no sense to me. sure, activity has dwindled, but who here thinks the game is solved??? until i see 3 red flips, i sure as hell don't. he also says i have barely posted. to call me out for inactivity is just bizarre (not necessarily scummy though). | ||
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on a side note, it's not the word choice that i find interesting. we know from marv's game that scum!mocsta's way of dealing with a townie on his case is to confront them head on and say, "You are tunneled." we see him telling onegu the same thing. i'll read your case and onegu's filter. i find it hard to imagine them being scum buddies, so maybe some insight on one may enlighten me on the other. | ||
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the problem is I find onegu hard to read (both literally and figuratively, the former of which has led to his scum read on me unfortunately). I'm actually very willing to consider that he might be town right now, because his tone sounds very genuine. also, the post where he gave me an out / an opportunity to play the newbie card stands out. I don't see why he would do this as scum: On November 23 2013 19:05 Onegu wrote: @bereft Serious question how new are you? This drasticly influeances my read on you. Im going to make my case on you anyway because its halfway done and alot of is still relevant for you to answer he quoted me on this in his filter (I'd forgotten I'd said this): On November 22 2013 02:19 Bereft wrote: also cmon Onegu m'boy. I gave you a town read when no one else thought so. live up to the high hopes I have for you and make the right vote! this will be I-RO-NIC if mocsta's scum. | ||
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On November 24 2013 15:03 cDgCorazon wrote: JJD, to be honest, Mocsta's frustration is warranted. Outside of myself/Aqua/Mocsta, no one else is driving the thread. I honestly think Mocsta is frustrated because no one is talking. It already doesn't help that you don't move the thread but now you're just talking about someone who isn't going to get lynched today. It's not helping. I want to tell you this in the most friendly, "we are on the same team" way. You need to be more active and more relevant if town is going to have a chance of winning. That goes to Bereft/Thrawn as well. The people who aren't lurking but don't have great thread presence. if this is true, I think basically this means I can't play TL mafia unless I'm on vacation. because this is me making an effort to be active, believe it or not. | ||
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On November 24 2013 17:28 sciberbia wrote: Lurking through the rayn lynch is by far the single scummiest thing anybody has done this entire game. I can't even imagine myself, as town, reading the 100 posts between pages 50 and 55 (the hour leading up to the lynch), and not posting my thoughts. That's crunch time. That's when the game is won or lost. It's when all the drama happens. The lynch was in question and everybody else online was vehemently discussing it, but JJD was just sitting there passing the time. On the other hand, I can easily see scum doing it. Rayn looked likely to be lynched so scum probably didn't feel much pressure. There's no reason for scum to be posting with a townie lynch coming down the pipeline. Furthermore here JJD expresses his opinion that Onegu is town and HF is scum, but says he will reread. + Show Spoiler + On November 22 2013 22:23 JarJarDrinks wrote: Gonna reread Onegu but I haven't thought he was scum @ all this game so I doubt that's gonna change. Not crazy about Holyflare so gonna look close @ him. He never posts the results of this reread. He hasn't been defending Onegu today even though he's looked like the most likely lynch candidate. He hasn't been pushing an HF lynch either. As thrawn says he's too content doing nothing. Combined with what aquanim and thrawn have posted, this feels really right to me. Better than every other lynch. ##Vote: JarJarDrinks no, sciberia, noo having just played with JJD i don't see it. his posting is pretty consistent with his last game (where he was town) -- sporadic posts which are occasional one to two liners. having read through his filter, i do not think they are without substance. i checked through his filter from our last game, and here are his post counts for 2 hours pre-lynch: day 1: 1 (context: his vote is for scum, who ultimately was lynched) + Show Spoiler + On November 02 2013 08:33 JarJarDrinks wrote: ##unvote ##vote: fuba I can't believe people are voting for one of the most active people in the game when the race is between him and someone w/ 3 posts. day 2: 0 (context: town was winning by a landslide and the mafia lynch was inevitable) if you guys are confident about this read i'll really have to reconsider, but right now i'm not willing to vote JJD. also, i know you guys have expressed wariness to lynch HF after his doctor claim. but look at how he has ignored the important questions directed at him since his claim, and only diverted attention (such as posting his flavor, etc). think about it this way: would a real town doctor have such indifference to getting mislynched? his lack of true strategy when claiming, his bullshit excuse, his indifference...having played with him before, i cannot reconcile to his current behavior and cannot see a scenario where his claim is true. | ||
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On November 24 2013 16:09 Mocsta wrote: nothing. you constantly make me paranoid with absense. so I make a point against you and you alleviate that paranoia. painful but true. gonna be out for 3 to 4 hrs now. if you want anything else, lemme k ow can you please expand on what specifically alleviated your concerns on sciberia? you say that it's his absence that made you paranoid. but in your actual vote, you make no mention that his absence is a concern:+ Show Spoiler + On November 24 2013 09:31 Mocsta wrote: I didn't think it would take 13minutes for a response. But whatevers, I obviously haven't had a chance to look into Scibs filter in detail (or at all) since i was consumed with Corazon. Things I remember from Scibs - Terrible case on Corazon - Came in and gave a town read on Rayn, and then semi-AFK'd, he stated he wanted Onegu lynched as a priority but it was clear he was happy playing second-fiddle - Gives a defense of Bereft; and if Onegu was his best scum read, *SHOULD* have followed through with why Onegu is intentionally misrepresenting play and why Onegu is the best lynch for today. Essentially 2 cycles in a row, Scibs is happy emailing everyone a bulletin of his intentions and doing nothing to campaign for them. ##Unvote ##Vote: Sciberbia If someone wants to filter dive him whilst I'm gone, and prove otherwise - go ahead. until that point in time, he is most definitely the best lynch for today. furthermore, you said this: On November 24 2013 14:45 Mocsta wrote: If anything Bereft pointer between the two games where I am confirmed scum; indicates I am town this game. (1) When referring to onegu, i call him tunneled and then imemdiately ask him questions to try and probe his alignment. (2) When referring to Artanis, I call him tunnel, discredit him and then suggest him to go look for scum elsewhere. Two extremely different approaches to the same issue (someone tunneling me as scum). The difference in approach is due to motive. In (2) I just want to get the heat off me. In (1) I am actually trying to figure out if this guy is sincere in his tunnel to justify lack of contribution. is this not an attempt at discrediting my opinion? On November 24 2013 13:09 Mocsta wrote: really bereft?? seriously, post game I would love to know what is so scummy about my play. regardless of how I play scum personally, I don't even see how what I'm pushing is scummy? I get poor play - and I'm extremely time poor this weekend. maybe ibshouldnt try to be a thread driver, but I see no one else taking ownership to move the thread forward why does it take until a vote is thrown for people to come out of the woodworks. its ok. I don't think u r scum though. when unconfident its normal to become paranoid. ciao | ||
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i'll let this HF thing play out. instead, i'll go with: ##Vote: Mocsta On November 25 2013 00:10 Mocsta wrote: 2. no thats not a discredit. thats me stating I find you to be not confident in tpyour reads. discredit would be to call you a noon and insinuate younpack scum hunting capability. my point was, when uncertain its easy to jump over anything that doesn't agree with your opinion.,,, notice I have done that a lot this cycle. hence, I think you are unconfident town, rather than scum taking an opportune moment to discredit me 1. I can't really explain it. hes sitting in this awkward zone for me where he seems to care about the lynch. but is inactive enough not to have thread presence to campaign. I.e, ideal lblending spot for scum, if there is active svum in this game. by virtue of activity it would be sciberbisa.can cross that bridge when one scum is left thoguh are any of you buying what he's selling? i am very unsatisfied by his excuses for why he almost tripped over himself backpedaling from the sciberia vote. | ||
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On November 25 2013 02:42 Holyflare wrote: I think you are confusing names with scum reads because i too have said plenty of names. Mocsta is a recurring name in my filter don't you think? why don't you put your vote where your mouth is? mocsta pointed this out earlier, but i realize now it's a valid query: why are none of you people FOSing mocsta voting for him? i'm looking at you HF, Onegu, JJD(?) | ||
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On November 25 2013 07:36 thrawn2112 wrote: + Show Spoiler [for corazon] + Stop talking to me unless you're wanting to converse about reads or unless you decide I'm scum and want to figure it out. Yesterday I hadplanned on moving the thread along but I kept coming back in and seeing you throwing a fit and voting anyone who got on your nerves. You were acting like rayn did, trying to take complete control over the thread and telling everyone what they can and can't talk about. I went with the "if you don't have anything nice to say" idea so I ignored this game until you calmed down. Why do you want to lynch Chezinu? Do you think he will flip red? Ignore consolidation and everything... who do you want to lynch? i want to lynch mocsta today and HF tomorrow, but neither of these are gathering steam. i've no idea what chezinu and slam will flip as they are fairly unknown entities. right now i'm operating under the assumption that HF's claim is false. if that is true, mafia must be desperate to try to pull something like that, and i think this would be the case if he were stuck with 1-2 lurkers. as it stands, chezinu has shown no intention of spouting off anything but brown propaganda. | ||
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On November 20 2013 15:28 Mocsta wrote: post 10 Thrawn baby: De ja Vu all over again. We might as well be masons + innocent childs trust me, these sweet nothings will get you nowhere. do you think onegu's case is without merit? | ||
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from day 1, moc has given the impression of being helpful and a town leader, but i am disinclined to think it is genuine. 3 pages into the game on day 1, he writes this ridiculous try hard post for no reason: On November 20 2013 15:22 Mocsta wrote: Post 8 (1) I won't have a post restriction anymore, but I will be numbering my posts so I can try and force consolidation. (2) I wouldn't shoot anyone right now. JJD, Vonthin, Onegu, LM, Jampidampi have yet to post. Thats just under 50% of the game. Having said that: if I had a one-time bullet that kills scum and misses town; I would shoot between Sciberbia/Corazon/Bereft. Pur quoi? Warning MASSIVE PLAY-BY-PLAY ANALYSIS of therad + Show Spoiler + On November 20 2013 12:14 Bereft wrote: THE POPO AINT SHUTTIN US DOWN I find this tone overdone / try-hard. Its only a very slight negative lean. On November 20 2013 12:17 sciberbia wrote: I think Cora is most likely to be scum so far. His entrance to the thread is what I would describe as very 'safe'. It's trolly, ingratiating, and echoes what Mocsta already said. agree or disagree. Having just come out of a game as scum. I personally feel this is written with the tone of scum-scum. Sciberbia takes a position using strong descriptive words "trolly" and "ingratiating" from one post that to me - with limited knowledge - is null. Further, Sciberbia references my name.. I find this odd. I know I am town, but only scum should be aware of that too. Now: SCiberbia does not comment on my alignment here; yet, directly infers it was scummish for Corazon to "echo" what I said. On November 20 2013 12:19 Bereft wrote: explain. you're going to burn through your posts really quickly if you write 1 to 2 liners and expect the rest of us to all be on your wavelength. I find this tone too aggressive. As I stated in my retort to Bereft, scum like to interupt town circles. Thrawn is hardly confirmed to me, but of the 7 people to post, he is my best town read. I will give this a null tell by itself - however if Bereft keeps up the aggression I will be treating him as scum. On November 20 2013 12:26 sciberbia wrote: That's interesting. I assumed you were coming to the opposite conclusion, since to me his response looks more "sarcastic and dodgy" than "just saying no". What about his response strikes you as relaxed? + Show Spoiler [sarcastic and dodgy] + On November 20 2013 12:06 Mocsta wrote: Scum: a layer of dirt or froth on the surface of a liquid. No, I am not. I am a mobster, which is typically "scum" in the world of forum-mafia However, in this game, roles are reversed and of the town I am. Again, as stated before this reads to me gentle prodding: NOT for information, but to discredit. Coming back to the thread, Aquanim reads a lot more calm/composed to me so is back to null. I think Sciberbia has jumped too brashly into an opportunity to shit-sling and from a player of his analytical background I find this highly suspicious. I have a problem with this post because its completely 180' with where my mindset is in the thread. I also do not like the interplay between Sciberbia and Bereft. I want to avoid making association reads without flips but I find Bereft is overly defensive and certainly not natural. "I've no idea who you are. are you my enemy? In one phrase: Its just over compensated. I saw some people give Thumbs up for this post. I thought it stunk - real bad. I think Corazon needs to use soap next time he has a shower. Its a bunch of generic policy stuff and is how I used to love playing scum (in the newbies). Technically the post is null as inexperienced town can do this and supposedly we can judge corazon based on how he implements this. My issue with this post was the last paragraph: "On that note, sciberia needs to stop analyzing the first page so hard and just discuss. We're not going to find scum on the first page.You guys just need to talk instead of being at each other's throats 30 minutes into the game." I find it odd that Corazon is confident enough to say that the posters on the first page are all town (Sciberbia, Bereft, Thrawn, Aquanim, Corazon, myself) and simultaneously ignore my post giving scum reads to Bereft/Sciberbia/Aquanim. I think this is damage control. This might be Mocsta using moclogic.. but I treat this as a scum slip. Corazon jumps to the natural conclusion that we are both confirmed, so assumes we did it through a role = mason. I think anyone else without game knowledge can piece together we were takling about the "de ja vu" from before. At the least it shows Corazon is NOT reading the thread closely which is suspicious for this many posts. Ditto the corazon read above I will give Bereft town points here. He has arrived at the natural conclusion. So back to null. - Rean than makes a really bad introduction post, but thats null. If anything its town that usually make such "zero content" posts because they actually believe what they are saying they think it *is* content. Comes to the natural conclusion albeit slightly differently. I think this is very townie though. He knows nothing of thrawn or myself... could not interpret what I meant when i said thrawn is town so assumed it was meta based. This demonstrates a guy thinking about the game. Its not anything to be confirmed town, but is a very good sign this early in the game. - Then Corazon/Sci shit the thread up. The way I see it, sciberbia analysing the first page at least gives us something to talk about. Why don't you think what he's doing is productive? Aqua is thinking the same way I do. I like this. He is a lot more polite about his suspicions/prodding though. On November 20 2013 12:57 cDgCorazon wrote: I think it is sciberia either not understanding that the first page of a game is usually just joking around or he is trying to rock the boat ridiculously early in the game. Seeing as sciberia is not new to this game, I think it's the latter. This resposne is really bad as once again it completely ignores the content I posted about those players. Maybe I'm wrong, but at this stage of the game it illicits a response regardless. Horse blinkers like these are not a good sign this early on. On November 20 2013 13:00 sciberbia wrote: + Show Spoiler [cora] + On November 20 2013 12:52 cDgCorazon wrote: My post basically said "so you are claiming mason? interesting..." Your post said "you are mason?" So I guess you could say that a lack of reaction is a difference. But it's not like we "aren't saying at all the same thing". @cora You made the assumption that he was claiming mason and commented on its plausibility. I found that assumption troubling, and asked him if he was in fact claiming mason. + Show Spoiler [cora] + I think it is sciberia either not understanding that the first page of a game is usually just joking around or he is trying to rock the boat ridiculously early in the game. Seeing as sciberia is not new to this game, I think it's the latter. @cora Guilty as charged. I dislike random bullshit phase. Just because most games start with a bunch of trolling doesn't mean we have to. I think we're actually doing quite well so far. Personal heuristic but I find early game its only scum that use phrases like this. "I think we're actually doing quite well so far" How the heck does town have a guage on what is good/bad when only 50% of the players have participated. On November 20 2013 13:01 Bereft wrote: and what's wrong with rocking the boat ridiculously early in the game? did you notice that mocsta also did the same thing? according to him, from the 1st page, aqua, sciberia, and I are scum. do you only take issue with sciberia's page 1 analysis only because it's about you? Bereft is either comfortable distancing team mates, or is town. - I am not familiar enough with his meta to make an opinion yet. I like that he picks up on this stuff to corazon that I already identified earlier. Still null. On November 20 2013 13:04 cDgCorazon wrote: Where in that post do I say he is claiming mason? I was making a comment on the possibility of there being a mason after thrawn's post. If it had said in the OP "no masons in this game", then wouldn't it be suspicious? You're grasping at straws here bro. The only thing I've seen from the early game is that you are looking pretty scummy right now. I dunno, this is just too haste from Corazon. Everyone knows he is "sensitive" and prone to OMGUS so it does dilute the read a touch, however, I can't keep getting over this is scum-to-scum interaction. "You're grasping at straws" + "you are looking pretty scummy" are strong words and stances, yet, does it really read like Corazon is *trying* to get Sciberbia lynched? I dont sense congruence here. Again, scum-to-scum interactions I think... - I like the way Aquanim is prodding Rean. On November 20 2013 13:07 cDgCorazon wrote: He didn't do it with just me. He told Moc and I that it was scummy that we made troll posts. At least Mocsta was direct in saying who he thought was scummy instead of sciberia who is only doing a "window looking" version of scum hunting. This post is null to me. Corazon reads very emotional so its hard to understand motive. On November 20 2013 13:14 Bereft wrote: he wasn't actually calling mocsta scum. just you. i don't see the distinction between mocsta's explicitly stating and sciberia's "window looking". how were they different? could you expand pls? Bereft is starting to look better as is reading the actual content behind the queries. Rean does the same. - I entirely agreed with Thrawn vote at that time On November 20 2013 13:20 Aquanim wrote: Excellent post from Aquanim. If hes scum, hes playing a great game because hes asking the questions that are in my head as Im reading it. That is very hard to do as scum.@Corazon I'd like you to elaborate more on why you think sciberbia is scum. I don't entirely understand your argument at present. On November 20 2013 13:24 cDgCorazon wrote: He's trying to get us to tunnel each other early so he can just sit around and piggyback on town lynches and point the finger at others. This is demonstrated when he essentially copies my post asking thrawn if he was a mason (deliberately, his post was at least 2-3 minutes after mine) and then decides that he can take my words and twist them when I pressure him about it. This is what troubles me about sciberia right now. I think this is a scum-slip. Corazon is too assertive in his read and this goes beyond emotion. When I read this, I take it as someone who is speaking "matter of fact". This is enough for me to be 90% confident that both Sciberbia and Corazon are scum. There is no way that enough content has been delivered in this thread for a town person to jump to such a strong conclusion as this. Event hough I think Sciberbia is scummy, I do think he came in here with the intention to troll like this. I was just posting a theory. On November 20 2013 13:40 sciberbia wrote: Do you find this behavior suspicious from Aquanim or are you simply making an observation? The question is fair, however, in context of thread events this is aterrible post. Corazon is slamming into Sciberbia, and this is what Sciberbia thinks is relevant to discuss? WTF? On November 20 2013 13:43 cDgCorazon wrote: @Thrawn When I made that post, I was thinking along the lines of "I think sci's actions are looking pretty scummy." In my opinion, if he was trying to create a good town atmosphere in the start, he did a very poor job of doing so. That's why I was thinking (and still am) that sciberia is scum. This post does not align with his strong opinion in the previous post. Im starting to sound tunneled because I am now so so so certain Corazon and Sciberbia are scum. On November 20 2013 13:45 Aquanim wrote: I reckon Thrawn's town because I liked the vote on Corazon. That is the kind of action which will get us doing truly productive things. (His unvote doesn't change that.) As for scum, I'm not sure yet. Not enough information. I don't much like Corazon's case on sciberbia but I can think of reasons why Corazon would make that argument as town, regardless of how good it is. I'm still null on Corazon but I'm very interested in what he chooses to do next. I still want an answer to this from you: I am not a fan of Aquanim for this interpretation however, I also know he is more calculated than I am so can accept a town Aquanim may play out the thread like this. Im going to go null but will be curious how Aquanim chooses to interpret this massive post and my conclusions. On November 20 2013 13:46 cDgCorazon wrote: Would you vote someone on being the "least townie"? Talking about town reads is only good to high-five and pat each other on the back and compliment each other's town play. It doesn't get scum lynched. More generics from Corazon. Importantly, he just called Sciberbia scum last page and now is acting as if nothing happened. Deffo scum On November 20 2013 13:57 sciberbia wrote: @Rean What is your strongest scumread right now and why? Again, he also dodges the shit-ball fight of Corazon. Some may argue that is towny to avoid this and not shit the thread. However, the key differentiator I find is that if town choose that approach they would also ACKNOWLEDGE the existence of the read. Sciberbia just dodges it and hopes no one brings it up further. Very bad. On November 20 2013 13:57 Rean wrote: This guy is interesting. As scum I think I would phrase things similar to this guy because there is always an 'out'. I think in this instance, this is a townie with an opinion speaking naturally and as the thought comes to his mind. Can evaluate him more if the flips on Corazon/Sciberbia go awry - which I doubt.Persuasive...it's a good argument. Sciberbia was being more laidback, trying to avoid comitting to anything, so it definitely makes him look scummy. Overall the kind of argument that gets discussion started and gets us somewhere useful, I quite like it. Guess persuasive would be a decent way to describe it. In short I am very comfortable to lynch Corazon and Sciberbia. I would lynch Corazon because him trying to wriggle out of it will be more fun/alignment-revealing in my opinion. ##Vote: cDgCorazon and to answer your question, I would shoot Sciberbia as he is the other half. he also writes the following early day 1 with no comment on how this applies or relates to these current players behaviors: On November 20 2013 16:20 Mocsta wrote: Anyways, I don't want to drown the thread so gonna take a chill pill and re-read again. Important things for everyone to know: As town: - Corazon is a highly emotional player. From my experiences he doesn't give up - even though he says he will (when tunneled by scum) - Sciberbia (as I have played with him) is a highly analytical player - Aquanim is a straight-shooter thinker. He *abhors* trolling/spam; and is a pretty effective communicator. I take him to be a head-strong guy that *should* be injecting his thoughts into the thread without provocation - Thrawn I don't have meta on and don't care, his thoughts align too much with mine. The others no idea. in addition, he has attempted to discredit people who are suspicious of him. on day 1, like 5 posts into the game or something, when i ask him to explain himself, he implies i'm scum and trying to interrupt a town circle. in response to suspicion cast upon him, he makes the individual doubt himself by reinforcing it into our heads that he's very town, with responses such as: On November 21 2013 15:53 Mocsta wrote: Lynching me lol Chortle On November 23 2013 00:02 Mocsta wrote: I don't get this. how am I not playing town that people like jarjar think I am a chance to flip scum? he has also called me a non-confident, paranoid townie for suspecting him. the post i quoted above re: meta i find noteworthy because we know from mocsta's experience that he knows sciberia and aqua to be solid analytical thinkers. his reads on these 2 players have been flip-flopping (the sciberia one is particularly memorable, but he has also done the same of moving aqua from good bucket to bad bucket and so forth). i believe that his 180 degree view changes on these 2 players are unnatural and unindicative of a townie mindset, they read to me like he is in fact trying to test the waters to see if he can get these 2 players lynched. if i were mafia myself, i know that i would be wary of them. so in conclusion, i'm reading more motive into his flip-flopping views than him just being a confused townie. | ||
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On November 25 2013 09:17 Aquanim wrote: @Holyflare: Corazon, Thrawn and myself have the most experience with Mocsta out of the players here, and we're all telling you he's town. We're also (with Mocsta) the four most active players in the thread. Are you seriously contending that three of us are scum? alright, aqua. i believe all 3 of you are town so if you guys really stand by this i'll move to consolidate. but i would appreciate it if you took some time to keep and open mind and reread his filter over the next few days. i am torn though because i'm reluctant to lynch JJD or onegu. i liked onegu's post on mocsta -- it read town to me. so if it's a choice between the 2, i guess i'd go with JJD. | ||
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i like this vote better than Onegu (sorry Cora). i've reread JJD's filter and the below 2 posts are pretty bad. On November 23 2013 12:34 JarJarDrinks wrote: The only reason scum wouldn't shoot is if Holyflare is scum and is looking for cred for his doc claim. Which is such a huge stretch and makes no sense for several reasons that I don't think we need to entertain it. So I think we should all just assume that scum attack was foiled. Whether or not it was a HF heal or something else, we can't be sure. HF made his claim 17 minutes before the deadline. More than enough time for scum to change it's target. So I think the shooter was roleblocked. I think we should discuss a potential roleclaim from anyone w/ a roleblocking role. Would love to hear opinions on it. And Holy, can u post ur flavor please? On November 24 2013 12:04 JarJarDrinks wrote: Don't make it like I'm asking people to just roleclaim their role. I think it would be unlikely to have 2 docs so I asked cora to claim doc if that's the reason he hasn't bought the claim from the begining. Trading a doc claim to catch scum is worth it. Especially if scum probably would suspect him (which they would). Saying that I "asked other people to claim" is a lie. I asked ONE person to conditionally claim. | ||
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likely: {jampi, HF} possible or town with reservations: {rean, mocsta, onegu} I know aqua, thrawn, and cora are all vouching for mocsta being town, but I'll be standing by this read for now. I'm pretty disappointed with myself for not standing up for my JJD read and I don't want to make the same mistake of getting influenced by my strong town reads again. | ||
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though I guess if it's true, the presence of a cop AND a doc means there's probably a mafia godfather or some other power role. | ||
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I wanted to see what mocsta's reaction would be. can't tell if I'm "CB" atm. I'll think about it after the flip. | ||
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I think I'm being paranoid. | ||
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mocsta forgive me, I was wrong. | ||
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compare this to HF whose explanations and rationalizations for his actions are completely inconsistent with an actual blue role. I cannot believe for a moment he would be around at the deadline and change his save target to Cora without even questioning Cora's motivations, considering the suspicions he has of him. combined with the way he acted N1, it is basically impossible that even the most confused and foolish of doctors would do the things he's doing. I think onegu is a good lynch but HF is a safer one. when we are at mylo I don't see any harm in being risk averse, and I hope you guys will agree. also this last bit might be a bit of a stretch, but considering how he implies cora should've checked him he's probably the GF. if he flips GF we know that the scum check on onegu is basically unquestionable. ##Unvote ##Vote: Holyflare | ||
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I just think we need to be careful since it's MYLO and we can't discount the possibility of mafia steamrolling us. voting HF is like the difference between lynching someone who's 98% probability scum vs 93% probability scum. I know those numbers are completely arbitrary, but those are basically my confident intervals. there's no downside in getting rid of HF first, and doing so may give us an indication of red power roles. I'm inclined to think HF is GF because of his holier than thou attitude whenever we ask him about motive (see: "I'm too meta for this game", etc). if a cop check came back green on him, he could claim he was trying to draw fire power in lieu of a more townie member (effectively what he's trying to do now with his vet claim now that we are making him sweat). Cora, think of it this way: why take that 4% chance there's a miller or framer at play when there's no harm in saving onegu for tomorrow? | ||
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and now that you are caught out on it, you're admitting the vet claim is fake? lynch this fool already. come on and do it, Cora. | ||
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On November 27 2013 14:07 Alakaslam wrote: Ftfy Fwiw we could use more the rest of TL attitude here I am guilty of degenerating but I'm trying to remove the mire what's ftfy? and LOL did you just censor my post? | ||
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I know for a fact HF is not town because I'm the veteran. think about it - why do you think as soon as you claimed blue I became so confident in my HF read? I knew there was no chance in hell we had 3 blue roles in the game. and between you and HF, HF was lying. why do you think I was so paranoid about a red power role affecting your cop check? I knew if there was a vet AND a cop in the game, there being a red power role is a certainty. why do you think I asked HF to post his flavor and immediately knew that gmarshal didn't write it as soon as I saw it? it's completely different than mine, the blue role isn't bolded, half of it is a run on sentence... why else would HF not post his flavor as soon as he claimed vet? I'd bet all my TL dollars he was desperately waiting for gmarshal to send him some fluff and had to churn something out under the gun. Original Message From GMarshal: Welcome to Back to the Basics Mini Mafia! You are James Joseph Bulger a Mob Boss (Veteran). You are the leader of the local racketeering business, and for a price your organization will protect your clients from competition, thieves, and the police. Your importance to the organization gives you the ability to evade the police for one night. If targeted by the police, your right-hand minion will shield you from any attempts to shoot or arrest you, protecting you from one kp. You will be told if there was an attempt on your life. Don't let your minions sacrifice themselves in vain - flush out the cops! I'm serving you a scummer on a silver platter right now. please don't throw away the game because you are too proud. the Greeks have a word for this - it's called hubris. | ||
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@Onegu: no, your case is on a strong town read of mine. but since you've spent so much time on it, I'll read it after dinner! | ||
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i love how initially you were pushing people to read your posts after you flip. On November 28 2013 10:07 Holyflare wrote: please inform me where your helpful discussion has been because today I: 1) Proved to you that the cop claim was indeed a lie 2) Showed you 2 scum that you are clearly not discussing, it's an actual joke that nobody is talking about the moves that people have done today, they are actually afk lynching me with no discussion. If I am scum then you are nowhere nearer to lynching 2 other scum in this game. Congratulations, free scum victory. 3) There is a butt load of information about people from my play today, hopefully, if chezinu is in fact town he can read up on people's reactions on it. and then you realize "oh wait if i were town the game might end" and now you say "IF THE GAME SOMEHOW DOESNT END please read my reads" | ||
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On November 28 2013 12:02 Chezinu wrote: As you can see, he was trying to convince me to switch. Therefore, I'm confirmed Family. Take that you robots! I am human! What you going to do? Kill me out of spite? you've been acting awful tough lately smoking a lot of cigarettes lately but inside...you're just a little baby! + Show Spoiler + | ||
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On November 26 2013 18:06 Mocsta wrote: blszinghand Scumslips do exist. We are in MYLO. Note how onegu refers to me using his filter after he flips. We got ourselves here scum boys n girls. funny how HF made the exact same mistake. On November 28 2013 11:11 Onegu wrote: Im still thinking if he is newb enough to do the claim as town. I am leaning against it. But doubt we will get enoughto switch onto him but lets give it a go and see what happens, if no one else switches I will hammer you though as if we go another day it will be lylo with the same wagons in me and you with no one else willing to change and that gets us no where. ##UNVOTE ##VOTE BEREFT the fact that he's willing to hammer HF even though he suspects me pretty much confirms it -- an onegu lynch day 4 a no-brainer. and i did promise that the first scum to vote HF would be spared for last, so it's only fair. now it's just a matter of confirming slammer is town. slammer! what is this? a confession?? i feel pretty good about chezinu being the last scum; this is probably massive WIFOM, but when it becomes clear to HF he'll be lynched, suddenly chezinu becomes one of his scum reads (along with me + cora) and he even writes a case on it. i just don't think he'd have his final scum reads be 3 townies and bother to write a long case on a townie when he's moments from flipping red. also, rean's filter is more townie than jampi's in my opinion. On November 28 2013 11:28 Holyflare wrote: Also, in regards to chezinu, he is purposefully manipulating information to fit his style: He uses 4 reasons for his read based vote on me. The first he implies does not work if the person knows what the Chezinu rule is, yet here it is as 25% of his intention for a vote. Therefore 1/4 of his reasoning is factually incorrect. He says that a fake claim is another reason. My claim of vet is the truth so that is reasoning number 2 that is wrong, if i were to fake claim a role I wouldn't know how to do it because I don't know what the other roles would look like. It would be perfectly written because scum get fake claims, he has no mention of this. 50% factually incorrect His third point is because I like the colour blue.........? 75% useless Finally, he mentions the wisdom of the dead but uses incorrect logic from dead people's posts to do it. Aquanim stated that he has never seen me disinterested as town but did chezinu bother to fact check this at all? There is no mention of this so he must have done. Therefore he also read my scum game (hogwarts) where I most certainly was not disinterested either. He then uses JarJar's mention of my claim. Doctor was a fake claim and so of course JarJar was correct. However, vet was not my fake claim and he makes no mention of this either. 100% useless Chez purposefully misleads all of you in the attempt to look like he is one of the town group. He uses useless information that is clearly not fact checked to mislead you into thinking he is doing work. His playstyle is based on reads and as you don't know what his reads are at the time you do not know what alignment he is playing for. He has claimed GF (blue town role) but came under no scrutiny from bereft for this, no mention at all even though bereft's entire reasoning was that there can't be 3 blue roles which he claimed was his only reason for attacking me. Chezinu, Bereft. Scum team. | ||
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i really don't think moc/scib/cora could be scum. but the fact that none of them were the NK makes me a bit nervous. is the scum team really so worried about another blue role that they're willing to take away a good mislynch candidate? things we know: (1) slam has voiced he is in awe of chezinu as a player (2) chezinu hinted he was a blue analyst in the thread (but in a way i didn't think anyone would take seriously) (3) mocsta and cora have claimed VT (1) combined with the fact that slam has been blatantly following thread sentiment since he joined the game makes me inclined to think he's the last scum. but if scum is paranoid about a second blue role, why didn't they target sciberbia? did they really believe chezinu's blue claim? were they afraid he'd figure this game out if left alive? was it a combination of both? it seems weird to me that between: chezinu: claimed blue (but in a way i'd expect would draw skepticism), really high on everyone's scum-dar vs. sciberbia: status unknown, an analytical, established townie that they would choose the former. | ||
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On November 30 2013 14:45 Alakaslam wrote: I am looking at this and liking it, however, Chezinu flipped town. Mocsta has laid down a pretty strong case for Cora and HF not being scum together, so either you were wrong there or you are scum... But seeing how this was wrong, maybe Mocsta has a flaw in that same comparison. But I have seen CONF bias and I'm not gonna fall for it. Mocsta could be epic scum for all we know ATM, it's just most likely not the case (as with bereft, sciberia, I wish me) There is a lot of uncertainty out there and I think the thread shouldn't be as dead as it is... + Show Spoiler + (Read in GLaDOS voice) ...hello? Hello? hmm. it's funny you like that bolded bit. because i was about to retract it after i wrote it pre- the night post for being horrible WIFOM / logix, but i couldn't be bothered because while i didn't like the means, i stood by the end conclusion (that chez was scum). can you expand on what you mean by that bolded part above? how does mocsta's case on why cora must be town relate to my bad logic on why chezinu was scum? | ||
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I've been thinking about it and I really think the chezinu NK simply comes down to: (1) scum team paranoid of a blue role (2) scum team worried about chez solving the game I can't think of a reason why a mocsta scum team would make this move. all it does is cast doubt on the town read almost the entire thread has on him. the only pairing where this move would make sense is if it were a moc/scib scum team. which is not impossible but pretty much gg if so. cora, I'd like to hear your mocsta case. because I've been letting you skate by on the basis that you've been genuinely hurt and feeling bullied by the no onegu lynch. but if you're scum that's a cheap way to play it. I'm now considering the possibility that it could be feigned. as before, I still think it's very troubling that scib is alive. but I do think this move could come from an onegu/slam scum team. I still think onegu is the strongest lynch for today, but I'll have to confirm this after I've returned to try hard filter rereading status. | ||
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i retract this bit: On December 01 2013 20:53 Bereft wrote: cora, I'd like to hear your mocsta case. because I've been letting you skate by on the basis that you've been genuinely hurt and feeling bullied by the no onegu lynch. but if you're scum that's a cheap way to play it. I'm now considering the possibility that it could be feigned. based on HF's and cora's interactions, cora is basically confirmed town. onegu, are you still standing by your "cora is 100% scum"? | ||
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maybe i'll look like an idiot post-game, but his filter reads pretty spotless to me. the only thing i've disagreed with him on the entire game is his JJD read. but having never played with JJD before, i can see where he's coming from. right now i'm comfortable bucketing it like the following: town with little to no doubt: {cora, sciberbia} town with a smidgen of doubt: {mocsta} will be a sad panda if town: {onegu, slam} | ||
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On December 01 2013 04:31 sciberbia wrote: So the most pressing question is: should we lynch Onegu today? He has 3 votes if I'm not mistaken. The sad thing is that unless we are going to lynch Cora instead I'm not sure we have much choice. There are 4 townies alive right now, and we need 4 votes to lynch. So if Cora is town, even assuming that we could get the other 3 townies on a scum, we wouldn't end up getting them lynched. If we NL, then scum just delays and we are in a strictly worse position tomorrow. I'm 100% sure that I'd rather lynch Onegu than Cora, but I'm really not too confident that Onegu is a better lynch than Slam. Onegu has been trying really hard recently, and I dunno it just makes me feel uneasy. On the other hand, Rean's slot was fairly scummy and Alakaslam is hard to read/understand. @Bereft If it was all up to you, who would you rather lynch today between Slam and Onegu? in response to this, i think an onegu lynch is the right move. i agree with mocsta's post here: + Show Spoiler + On November 28 2013 15:11 Mocsta wrote: - In my head I was thinking: I'm bored, how about I give Onegu some courtesy and give it a full read over. - Then I realised "WOW!" Onegu has an 11page filter, maybe... *just* MAYBE he could be town. BAH-BAM !!!!! - Then I realised something else. You see Onegu: Its impossible for Holyflare and Corazon to be on a scum team. (1) Thread sentiment wanted an Onegu lynch (2) Corazon wanted a Onegu lynch (3) Its MYLO (4) Corazon fake-claimed to get you lynched (5) Holyflare Opposed the lynch as hard as he could.. even getting Corazon to admit the fake-claim Whats the problem? The problem is that scum want to win. As quickly as possible. Give that it is MYLO, if Corazon was scum -- there was no need for Holyflare to battle him, put pressure on him.. heck even get Corazon to admit fake-claiming. Further, if Corazon was *WRONG* about Onegu... Holy woulda just sat by idly and let scum mislynch to finish the game. Onegu, we already knew you were scum before all this. Now its proven and irrefutable You *will* be lynched tomorrow. The only decision this town has to make is between Chezinu and Alakaslam. Considering Chezinu flipflopped his vote, and Slam stayed true. Nothing has changed. Its just a matter of waiting out the required cycles. *TICK TOCK, TICK TOCK* HF writes this when we're full steam ahead on onegu (post-cora's "night check"): On November 26 2013 17:19 Holyflare wrote: You people are silly. Guy claims cop AND who he is checking way before night is over and you expect him to live?? Then you say I'm scum? If i was scum I'd know i wasn't doc and he'd be checking onegu who you all seem to think is scum too, if that were the case why would i let a cop check go off on my team instead of just killing the guy? If he dies I look bad, so what? I've been in the shadows the entire time, watching, getting reads on who to save and then someone claims cop?? Thanks for taking away my heal from someone that needed it. I don't believe he is cop at all. Cora being alive is a complete farce, I'm pretty sure his cop claim is very very fake because he most definitely would have checked me night 1 or 2 when I claimed over a guy who is actually posting because as he has stated, we don't know what these lurkers alignments are and we will never know, yet, he doesn't check any of our alignments at all. Just onegu who was under the most suspicion to get lynched today anyway? Couple this with the fact that mocsta was finding ways for me to be scum with NK scenarios OUT LOUD IN THE THREAD, yeh that makes total sense. If he was town he could post this stuff after the night kills to get some solid reasoning but he posts them before the night was over yesterday. If you are town, what were you thinking? Scum is clearly going to go for the one that makes people look the most scummy. Tl:dr Cora's claim is fake, misleading town into a most probably towny lynch on onegu. i think this post is pretty damning because he writes it at a time when he didn't think he'd be on the chopping block. HF realized cora's cop claim was fake (probably because the "town" in (town investigator) didn't match the scum team's own fake cop claim). if onegu was town, there was absolutely no reason for him to defend onegu, because if we mislynched onegu, scum would have won. and if somehow the game lasted another day, corazon would be in hot water for his fake claim and scum would be set up to push another mislynch. so really there was zero incentive for HF to prove cora's claim was fake. i also don't put much stake in onegu's pages of written notes (sorry onegu  ). to be quite frank, i think i'd be more inclined to take notes as scum than town to keep track of all my running lies!!as mocsta has said, BAM BAM!! i think we are over thinking this one. what we need to focus on is if we are sure mocsta is town and slam is the last scum. | ||
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On December 02 2013 01:22 Onegu wrote: Yes, I am saying I pegged the scum team, they didnt want something crazy to happen if they missed thier shot and wifo,ed into bussing. Also the HF cora interactions gave them both a way to back off of the fake claims. Basicly do you thin it is possible both me and cora could be town. Now if by some chance i flip green + Show Spoiler + I will flip VT even if by some horrible twist of fate you flip VT, i will stand by cora being town until the day i die (game life, not real life). | ||
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On December 02 2013 02:35 Onegu wrote: I will get double sad pandas for you. But 4rlz when I flip VT go and look at the actions around the time cora claimed cop. You are confirmed town. That leaves slam, mocsta, and scib. If cora town 2/3 of them would habe to not be around to shoot the cop. Who if was actuall cop would report a green check on me, you think scum would let that happen? Nope cora is scum. it's weird that scum didn't shoot cora. but that doesn't actually enhance your case. you, HF, slam, chezinu, scib were all afk for the deadline. by process of elimination, this would leave you and slam. in any case, i'm not going to question a strong town read by mere virtue of the fact that they are alive. the scummiest thing about sciberbia right now is that he's not dead, and there's too much to take into account as to what mafia was thinking to be suspicious JUST based on that. | ||
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On December 02 2013 03:02 sciberbia wrote: @Bereft What if Mocsta/Onegu is scumteam and Mocsta figured that he would be able to get a mislynch on Slam, but was worried for whatever reason that Chez was blue and would be able to confirm Slam as town or Mocsta as scum? Seems very plausible to me. This is why I think the Chez kill points towards Moc being scum (or possibly even you/cora) over both Slam and Onegu. i've spent some time thinking about this [off the thread], and i think it's difficult to say which pairings over other pairings would be inclined to kill chezinu over you or mocsta. regardless of an onegu/slam or onegu/mocsta scum team, the chezinu NK speaks to the scum team being paranoid of chezinu's claim and chezinu solving the game. i think this could be applicable for both pairings, but potentially a riskier move for onegu/mocsta. say the NK was someone unsurprising, such as yourself. mocsta has more town cred than chezinu, so if it came down to mocsta's word vs. chezinu's word, i would almost undoubtedly believe mocsta over chezinu. if it were chezinu's word vs. slam's word, it's pretty fair game. either way, i think the NK is useful to evaluate in conjunction to existing reads, but by itself it's somewhat pointless. | ||
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On December 02 2013 03:07 sciberbia wrote: + Show Spoiler [Bereft] + On December 02 2013 01:52 Bereft wrote: in response to this, i think an onegu lynch is the right move. i agree with mocsta's post here: + Show Spoiler + On November 28 2013 15:11 Mocsta wrote: - In my head I was thinking: I'm bored, how about I give Onegu some courtesy and give it a full read over. - Then I realised "WOW!" Onegu has an 11page filter, maybe... *just* MAYBE he could be town. BAH-BAM !!!!! - Then I realised something else. You see Onegu: Its impossible for Holyflare and Corazon to be on a scum team. (1) Thread sentiment wanted an Onegu lynch (2) Corazon wanted a Onegu lynch (3) Its MYLO (4) Corazon fake-claimed to get you lynched (5) Holyflare Opposed the lynch as hard as he could.. even getting Corazon to admit the fake-claim Whats the problem? The problem is that scum want to win. As quickly as possible. Give that it is MYLO, if Corazon was scum -- there was no need for Holyflare to battle him, put pressure on him.. heck even get Corazon to admit fake-claiming. Further, if Corazon was *WRONG* about Onegu... Holy woulda just sat by idly and let scum mislynch to finish the game. Onegu, we already knew you were scum before all this. Now its proven and irrefutable You *will* be lynched tomorrow. The only decision this town has to make is between Chezinu and Alakaslam. Considering Chezinu flipflopped his vote, and Slam stayed true. Nothing has changed. Its just a matter of waiting out the required cycles. *TICK TOCK, TICK TOCK* HF writes this when we're full steam ahead on onegu (post-cora's "night check"): i think this post is pretty damning because he writes it at a time when he didn't think he'd be on the chopping block. HF realized cora's cop claim was fake (probably because the "town" in (town investigator) didn't match the scum team's own fake cop claim). if onegu was town, there was absolutely no reason for him to defend onegu, because if we mislynched onegu, scum would have won. and if somehow the game lasted another day, corazon would be in hot water for his fake claim and scum would be set up to push another mislynch. so really there was zero incentive for HF to prove cora's claim was fake. i also don't put much stake in onegu's pages of written notes (sorry onegu ). to be quite frank, i think i'd be more inclined to take notes as scum than town to keep track of all my running lies!!as mocsta has said, BAM BAM!! i think we are over thinking this one. what we need to focus on is if we are sure mocsta is town and slam is the last scum. Also, you've sold me on Onegu. Let's make it happen. ##Vote: Onegu I agree that, given Onegu flips town, finding the last scum between Mocsta and Slam is nontrivial. I'm having a hard time deciding what to base that call on. Slam hasn't really done anything to establish his towniness, whereas at least Mocsta has been quite active and has ostensibly been playing 'pro-town'. And Rean's play has been covered. On the other hand, the night kills point towards Mocsta being scum than Slam. Also, ever since Cora and I voiced suspicions of him today, he went even more spazztic than usual, jumping around from person to person, calling nearly everybody scum except you. It's suspicious to me. I agree (also I assume you mean "given Onegu flips scum"). as I said a while ago: On November 21 2013 13:32 Bereft wrote: i really want to believe moc is town, but i keep seeing small red flags embedded in his posts. basically it comes down to a very pro-town looking player with small red flags everywhere vs. one huge question mark. at the moment i'm inclined to think mocsta is town, but he's making me a bit nervous with his posting today. who we really need to hear from is slam right now. where are you dude? you've done zero scum hunting and just echoed thread sentiment since you joined. it's hard to tell if this is because you're uninvested / uninterested due to replacing in or just plain scum. did you bother reading the thread for what happened before you replaced in? (this is a serious question.) let's hear what you're thinking. p.s. don't worry cora i'll read your case now. | ||
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is this an ego thing? you don't like that he managed to read more town in 1/3 the amount of pages? I've no confidence in my reads right now and don't see how it matters either way... | ||
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*sigh*burbia...what if there's a mafia role blocker? | ||
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also rayn sorry if i was a bit rude day 1 dude. | ||
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the issue though is that i didn't feel he was +1ing me. i felt he was echoing my sentiments even if i hadn't voiced them out in the thread. my problem here is that i thought a thought process similar to my own HAD to be from a fellow townie. it was only after onegu flipped town that i reread his filter and started to waver. it seemed more scummy than i remembered and more noticeable to me that he didn't push for his scum reads and stopped trying after day 2. but i couldn't understand why you were still trying to prod me into admitting that he must be scum. i felt that both you and scib if scum would be discerning enough to suspect that the vet claim was fake, so i started getting really paranoid that you might be trying to suss out who i was going to save. that's why i fos'ed cora and protected him. in retrospect i should've focused more on increasing my chances of procuring a successful save (by going batshit on cora or something) than worrying about the situation i *might* find myself in if i successfully saved (that being figuring out which of you or scib were scum). what can i say -- i spazzed, and that's on me. and i didn't actually realize i was meant to take up the town leader mantle. that all this time, *I* was the hero this town needed! @axel, aqua, etc thanks for the comments. got to get some sleep right now, but i'll be sure to read up all the post game analysis tomorrow. | ||
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have you considered other reasons why town didn't listen to your case on onegu other than us ganging up on you? maybe it's because your case on onegu wasn't that good! and maybe it's because onegu wasn't actually that scummy! the very fact that people you knew were town found no cause to hammer onegu even after reading your case should've prompted you to reevaluate or at least wonder what they were seeing that you didn't. you refused to hammer a CONFIRMED SCUM on the basis that you wanted to force an onegu lynch. is it not obvious how ridiculously you were playing?? | ||
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and lol mocsta policy lynching...if there's one thing I learn from this game it's that even if you are policy lynching NEVER ADMIT IT. because everyone winds up thinking you're scummy for it. better just to lie and say I 100% think he's scum than I 80% think he's scum and 20% want him gone. maybe it's just this game but by saying the latter, no one cared about that 80% and people ended up focusing too much on the 20%... | ||
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