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On November 20 2013 18:04 Aquanim wrote: However, the fact that the case was bad and didn't persuade me IS NOT scum-indicative for Corazon in as of itself, for the reasons I stated earlier (namely, that Corazon could be mistaken or be deliberately pushing a bad case.) The fact that Corazon, despite apparently believing his case, is not committing to it by voting for sciberbia? THAT is scum-indicative. + Show Spoiler + Furthermore, earlier on when he was still developing and explaining his case against sciberbia, not voting at that point was not particularly scummy. However, when he'd concluded his argument and left without placing a vote even then? That was the point at which it became particularly scum-indicative. Which is why I'd made no mention of his failure to vote before that point, since I wanted to see if he would vote if left to himself. You say Cor's case being bad is not scum-indicative.. even though you already used the phrase "sketchy at best" to describe it. Anyways, according to you, at least in this post, you are not holding his case against him. What you are holding against him is the fact that he's not voting for scib? That's the only reason? It must be, since you aren't going to hold his case against him. Why does that even make him scum in the first place? You say your vote on Rean is fine because it's a pressure vote, but then you're admitting that people don't always have to vote for their top scumreads. And this is why he's your top scumread? Because he hasn't typed in vote:xxxxx during the first few hours of the game? Bah! Bah, I say unto thee. | ||
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It's over there >>>>> What do you make of it? | ||
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On November 21 2013 01:16 cDgCorazon wrote: TL;DR Changes opinion on me to follow thread sentiment and to avoid suspicion when questioned about his play Attacks Rean (and says his question about town/scum reads accomplishes nothing when in fact it does) for defending me This guy is scum I'm confident enough in this case to throw a ##Vote: Aquanim out. | ||
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On November 21 2013 01:25 cDgCorazon wrote: Is it not obvious to you that this isn't sciberia's first game? I said he was good at this game and that I thought he was making a calculated play with "rocking the boat". Seems like I completely misread that post. I saw "rocking the boat" as "starting discussion = townie" instead of "rocking the boat" as "starting pointless discussion = scummy." Now that post makes more sense... I initially thought you were saying he's town or he's town. I was the first person to bring up this point about Corazon calling scib town and most everything else that's been said about him is a rehash of what I said. It's based on my misunderstanding so now I consider all the points brought up against him null. | ||
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On November 21 2013 01:43 JarJarDrinks wrote: Sorry to repost this again but wanted everyone to know what post we're all talking about since there seems to be some dispute:So Cora, who thinks sciberia was making a calculated scum play, decides that correct thing to say about it is to tell him to stop. He then gives the person that he believes is smart scum advice on how to find scum. I think you are misreading like I did. That post where he gives advice to scib comes before Corazon says what he thinks about scib's alignment. That post is the first time he mentions scib. As mocsta said it does look like something corazon could say to a person he has any read on, if his goal behind saying that is as he states, to get good discussion flowing before starting the hardcore and what he thinks would be useless analysis. It wasn't until his next post about scib that he mentions that scib is either "new" or is "rocking the boat," he knows that scib isn't new therefore he concludes that scib is scummy. Initially I interpreted "rocking the boat" as "starting discussion = townie" but that was an incorrect interpretation. Obviously I might be putting townie words into a scum Corazon's mouth, but I do not think this is the case and I think I'm probably in a better position to clear up this confusion than he is. | ||
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On November 21 2013 01:52 Mocsta wrote: My mason (thrawn) Do you get the impression onegu is just trying to shit the thread? or am i taking this too personal? I am a bit stymied by his posts and reads but I haven't come to a conclusion so I'd rather not give my thoughts just yet. I will however say that I hope he isn't town because if he is then I foresee things getting ugly. That should be enough to let you know what I'm thinking about your question... "am i taking this too personal?" | ||
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On November 21 2013 02:34 raynpelikoneet wrote: Because i have not been reading your posts closely enough it seems like. :p I liked your posts on Aquanim. Very much. So now I am obviously town? Just like that? | ||
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On November 21 2013 02:44 raynpelikoneet wrote: thrawn one thing i don't understand is your questioning on sciberbia at the start of the game. I see nothing wrong with sciberbia's posts. Wanna explain that? No I do not. First I want you to explain why scib's first post is reasonable in your opinion. You don't get to act suspicious of my questioning without first explaining why you are suspicious of those questions. | ||
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On November 21 2013 03:26 JarJarDrinks wrote: Lunch. I think rayn looks good. He seems to have similiar reads to me. I don't think there's anything scummy about what you and thrawn were pointing out. Looking into Aqua now. Here's the problem with rayn's entrance. He starts off by giving mocsta a huge town read, and giving me only a slightly-town read. You may not be aware of this but Rayn is well qualified to read my play. That, plus the fact that he agrees that Aqua is scummy (when I have spearheaded the push against Aqua) and the fact that he thinks Mocsta is obviously town and Mocsta is already calling my confirmed town, all add up to...... only a slight town read on me? I think this is not a position he would take if he's town and has all the reads he's claimed to have. You might disagree because maybe you don't see Mocsta or myself as obviously town, and you haven't experienced my town play as much as rayn has, but your read on me shouldn't matter because it's rayn's read I'm talking about. When I read his first post, I slowly began to expect him to give me a strong town read. I questioned him on why he is having trouble reading my alignment. It is obvious from this question that I was suspicious of rayn for giving me a slight town read. So what does rayn do? He strokes my ego and decides he does think I'm obviously town after all. Then I become even more suspicious and ask him how his read changed so easily. Then he starts questioning me about an early game question I asked scib, as if to show me that he actually IS suspicious of me. He starts off reading me as slight town which I do not think is possible if he is town and believes the reads in his first post. I ask him why does he not have me as strong town, he obliges by agreeing that I'm obviously town. I ask him why he changed his mind so easily, and he starts asking me questions to show me he actually is suspicious. Each of those two responses are attempts by him to tell me want I want to hear. | ||
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i'll take any odds that there's a scum in aqua/rean and if it's only one of them it's 100% aqua. i reread rean and his play is way scummier than i remember thinking it was at the time i became convinced about aqua everyone else is currently difficult to read i will resume tryharding and using punctuation/capitalization when I return but for now this is lazy reads ver 1.0. i am very busy today and might not be able to post again till tomorrow (like at least + 12 hrs from now) toodles | ||
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I haven't read anything since I last posted except that vote count but it, combined with the reread of Rean I did earlier is enough to make me go ##unvote ##vote: rean | ||
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scum rean lonemeow and rayn or scib | ||
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On November 20 2013 21:41 LoneMeow wrote: I could agree about cDgCorazon being scum. His filter has a ton of filler-like stuff, practically the only player he seems to have anything to talk about is sciberbia and even that is kind of non-commital, he's more or less hinting that sciberbia is scummy but never actually making it a real case. The part about town reads not being useful was just plain weird. On the other hand, sciberbia's massive tunnel so early in the game is pretty weird and I really don't think they're both scum. "I agree about Cor being scum" or even "I kinda agree" is how town people talk. "I could agree" is how scum people talk. "Could agree" as in "if I were actually able to have an opinion but I can't because I'm scum." When they phrase things like this you are hearing their inner monologue trying to figure out what their reads would be if they didn't already know alignments. LM is also scum for townreading Aqua at a time when the average townie should have been at least a little suspicious of Aqua. My only problem writing LM off as scum is that he's barely posted. JampiDampi isn't posting either and I don't like how he was so quick to agree that my Aqua case was good and then he immediately stopped looking for mafia. I remember a post about looking for replacements so if this is him then I don't know how important that last point I made is and this might apply to LM if he's the one who's dropping out. Hopefully this won't be a problem after D1. Picking one out of those two to be scum.. I'll go with LM. I just filtered scib real quick and he's ok. My gut says Bereft is town but at some point I'd like to do some 1v1 questioning. Onegu remains an enigma but my gut has more and more been leaning towards town. I was rereading rayn (sorry moc haven't finished up to the stuff you mentioned) and I came across this exchange On November 21 2013 02:21 Mocsta wrote: Are Rean and Aquanim bussing? On November 21 2013 02:27 raynpelikoneet wrote: I don't know and i don't care. They both look individually bad to me. I'll reconsider when i see flips. I am not looking into connections now. Everyone has made good posts and those people have made bad posts in my opinion. I do not think Aquanim's reasons for voting for Rean are strong, i don't even know if he thinks he is scum as this is what he says: Shouldn't he be voting for Cora instead? A question like what mocsta asked is exactly the kind of unimportant and tiresome thing that town rayn both would strongly care about and also be able to provide several filter pages of spam talking about. Town rayn would never pass up the chance to indulge a question such as Mocsta asked. Town rayn cares deeply about every minute aspect of every angle of every possible theory and he can't stand not having an opinion about such things. I need to reread Corazon, I previously thought he was pretty townie but Mocsta seems to disagree. I am loathe to do it because I don't want to reread those opening cor/scib arguments again and I also think that town Corazon has a very scummy way of talking, arguing, and just the general way he organizes and presents his thought process. I will do this later. | ||
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I still think jampidampi is scum for what I said earlier. He entered the game without commentating on the biggest thing going on at the time, the Aqua case. When pressured about this he agreed too quickly (if he liked my case so much why is there nothing in his filter about Aqua before I ask him to comment), threw his vote down (on what I now perceive to be the mislynch scum has been hoping for) and hasn't put any more effort into the game. | ||
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